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I was just wondering why some people prefer to believe in nothing than believe in God. no im not saying everyone that does not believe in god, believes in nothing im just wondering how you think? Im trying to understand how people believe god does not exist and that our entire universe came from nothing(sorrry gas and dust). Im not looking for an arguement just a good conversation.
and this is my first post on this forum so i guess nice to meet you all :thumbsup:
One of the laws of science is that nothing can spawn from nothing! They're has to be a creator. Some say the universe allways was. If so, explain this. Laws in science say that heat seeks out cold. If you put a cold glass of water next to a hot glass of water and seal them in a box, the hot glass will seek out the cold and when opend later they will be at the same temperature. Now if the universe allways has been, then how come different sections have a different temperature then others. Therefore it was created and had a beggining. We live in a digital world. A famous scientist did an experiment a while back, and when he found the outcome he killed himself. He took a string and cut it in half, and he kept doing it over and over again making it smaller and smaller. Now there was a certain measurement that he was able to get down to (can't remember the measurement) where if he cut it any more it would explode into millions of peices and suround our universe! We live in a 3 dimesional world when our math has showed us there are at least 7 other dimensions...:confused: :o :stoned:
My problem has always been if god created all of what we know how was god created, obviously the human mind will never know.....
I don't believe in nothing, or God. I'm awaiting evidence. If there's a God out there, great, but nobody's proven it, and nobody *can* prove there isn't one (since you can't prove a negative). So, I'm still patiently hoping someone can and will prove there is a God, but I'm not going to *assume* there is one. (You know what they say about assuming.)
I have a feeling we're just the product of random chance on the third planet orbiting an unremarkable star in an unremarkable galaxy which is just one of millions and millions of other galaxies in the universe. But who knows.
Does it really matter what I believe? Believing doesn't change the facts. I always did find it annoying that the prerequisit for escaping eternal damnation was believing in a bunch of very improbable fables though. Ya gotta figure, if there was a God (one that's supposed to be 'good'), why would he set it up that way? Would he really want his followers to be the stupid ones who were too chickenshit to think for themselves? After all he's the one who's got to hang around with them for eternity. Geez, after a few thousand years of hearing Pat Robertson and Jerry Faldwell whine I would think he would be ready for some more interesting company. I would be pulling Mark Twain and Voltaire out of Hell just for someone interesting to talk to....lol
But as far as 'belief' goes. I see no problem suspecting that there might possibly be some superior intelligence behind it all. But to buy into some mean old man with a long white beard on a throne someplace takes a twist of reason that most rational people would have a lot of trouble with unless you've been brainwashed since birth.
Oh, and 'Hi Walrus!'...choo choo ka choo!
If belief works for you I think that's great. My problem is the same as stated here and countless other places. God, as the supreme authority and creator, is make believe. Wars and the most horrible atrocities are waged in the name of God, which is evidence enough to me that we humans created him/her/it... with some variations from religion to religion (not to mention major variations within religions).
So before you write me off as a heretic, I understand the social and cultural need for unquestionable authority in life. The earth is as much cruel as it is beautiful...
The universe did not come from gas and dust. True, the universe did consist entirely of gas and dust in its early stages, but they didn't create the universe themselves. By the way, they still make up for the vast majority of the universe that isn't just empty space...some interesting cosmic design plan God has there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamTheWalrus
My reason for not believing in God is simply that there is no evidence for it. I couldn't get myself to believe in God even if I tried. No more than you could close your eyes, say "I believe in unicorns" and really believe it despite the lack of evidence. That idea simply will not go into my brain unless something in my experience convinces my brain that it is true.
If we are trying to explain the complexity we see around us, why evoke God as a hypothesis? God, if such a being exists, must be the most complex thing in the universe if he knows everything and designed it all; seeking to explain the existence of moderate complexity with an infinitely more complex creator gets us nowhere. It doesn't work to help explain the origin of existence either. Where did God come from? If it is possible to say God just created himself, why can't we just say the universe created itself instead and cut out one unnecessary step in the explanation?
If there is a God out there, it is his fault for making a universe that looks so...godless. It would be an extremely trivial matter for him to prove his existence. I provide conclusive evidence of my existence to others every day, and I'm a mere human.
I don't. Who needs unquestionable authority? It's never worked too well here on earth (Hitler and Stalin anybody?), so I can't imagine it would work much better on a cosmic scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
We don't need an infinitely powerful dictator of the whole universe, who writes all the rules and expects everybody to abide by them unquestioningly, when we can make our own rules with this democracy thing we invented. We need to take our societies into our own hands and run them according to our own reason and common sense, instead of relinquishing power to an invisible friend we can't even detect. This "higher power" superstition is nonsense and if any semblance of popular rule is going to ever exist, we need to stamp it out and make our own ethics for ourselves.
I think you've hit on something, here. Personally, my idea of god is the universe. Makes more sense to me that we intelligent beings came out of an intelligent universe, rather than having been deposited into an unintelligent one by some outside entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
That's the catch...'intelligence'. If something exists, like carbon, usually a friggin' lot of it exists. So why would intelligence be exclusive to us? And if we're its pinnacle that would really lean towards the pathetic. Wouldn't it?
But even if the Universe was unintelligent before, and nothing but matter and physics, this one has gained intelligence. --and we're it. ...lol heavy maaan, heavy. Dig those ramifications. Older Universes nurturing a baby universe. We're it's cosmic braincells forming!...hehe Oh I crack myself up sometimes. Sorry about that :)