For those familiar with the current Zapatista Revolution in Mexico...

Does anyone actually think, "The Other Campaign" is going to accomplish much? I have a feeling if commanders are in place at certain parts of Mexico, there will be secret opposition from Mexican military or by strict law, nothing will turn over so easily even with a new elected president.

As for Indigenous representing themselves to be autonomous, will be no easy feat...constitution will never change over there.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by El Comandante

Does anyone actually think, "The Other Campaign" is going to accomplish much? I have a feeling if commanders are in place at certain parts of Mexico, there will be secret opposition from Mexican military or by strict law, nothing will turn over so easily even with a new elected president.

As for Indigenous representing themselves to be autonomous, will be no easy feat...constitution will never change over there.

Thoughts?

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Not that familiar with Mexican politics..........maybe you could expand a bit?

Thanks and have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Not that familiar with Mexican politics..........maybe you could expand a bit?

Thanks and have a good one!:thumbsup:

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The leftist politician who lost the election claims that votes werent tallied properly or something along those lines and called for a revolution and there have been protests and whatnot

Not quite so...this group has been together since the 80's and were known in 1994 in a small uprising, pretty much their's is a fight for the fairness and equality for southern mexican indigenous peoples and for a fight against Neo-Liberalism and globalization and have been very active since the signing of NAFTA. The EZLN, or the Zapatista Army of National Liberation was formed in the beginning and now speak up for the indigenous, an armed, yet non-violent group, primarily for the defense of the indigenous people, villages and themselves. Its not heard a lot because of threat of popular revolution in corrupt mexico.

The voice, Subcomandante Marcos, Speaker for the EZLN embarked with members of EZLN on "The Other Campaign" to gain land and new areas of operations, have indigenous territories that are cared for by mexican gov't and basically try to make the first step toward a new mexico by next year, finally. Their ultimate goal is to change mexican constitution for what sees fit for the indigenous and perhaps all of mexico for the better.

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Originally Posted by El Comandante

Not quite so...this group has been together since the 80's and were known in 1994 in a small uprising, pretty much their's is a fight for the fairness and equality for southern mexican indigenous peoples and for a fight against Neo-Liberalism and globalization and have been very active since the signing of NAFTA. The EZLN, or the Zapatista Army of National Liberation was formed in the beginning and now speak up for the indigenous, an armed, yet non-violent group, primarily for the defense of the indigenous people, villages and themselves. Its not heard a lot because of threat of popular revolution in corrupt mexico.

The voice, Subcomandante Marcos, Speaker for the EZLN embarked with members of EZLN on "The Other Campaign" to gain land and new areas of operations, have indigenous territories that are cared for by mexican gov't and basically try to make the first step toward a new mexico by next year, finally. Their ultimate goal is to change mexican constitution for what sees fit for the indigenous and perhaps all of mexico for the better.

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UHHH lets try this

Modern Zapatistas
Zapatista gained a new meaning in 1994 with the public debut of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional, or EZLN).The Modern Zapatistas are part of an anti-poverty, anti-globalization movement. The majority of the Zapatistas live in the state of Chiapas in the south of Mexico. As result the word "Zapatistas" becoming generalized to include people who simply support the cause of the Zapatistas and the ideology. To their enemies, these people are Zapatistas. This tendency has contributed to the escalating tensions in the state of Chiapas.

The modern Zapatista movement makes use of the revolutionary figure Zapata as a rallying point for its cause, which is much the same as it was a century ago. Its main goals of sweeping agrarian and social reform, as well as a Southern Mexico separatist movement, are recurring themes from early 20th century Zapata rhetoric. While the first Zapatistas were led by Zapata himself, the EZLN is democratically organized. The most dominant figure and spokesperson of the modern movement is Subcommander Marcos. Other prominent figures include Subcommander Elisa, and Comandante Ramona who was of Tzotzil origin.

What differentiates and specializes the Zapatista movement is that its leaders are mostly indigenous and that it is the first social grassroots movement to successfully use computer communications. Subcommander Marcos has credited the media as the Zapatistas long range missile by constantly reinventing himself and the iconography of the Zapatista movement. The internet is essential to the declaration and liberation of the voices of the marginalized. Subcommadante Marcos sums up this belief in an absurd, but enlightening way, addressing the true nature of the Zapatista movement.

Marcos is gay in San Francisco, black in South Africa, an Asian in Europe, a Chicano in San Ysidro, an anarchist in Spain, a Palestinian in Israel, a Mayan Indian in the streets of San Cristobal, a gang member in Neza, a rocker in the National University, a Jew in Nazi Germany, an ombudsman in the Defense Ministry, a communist in the post-Cold War era, an artist without gallery or portfolio.... A pacifist in Bosnia, a housewife alone on Saturday night in any neighborhood in any city in Mexico, a striker in the CTM, a reporter writing filler stories for the back pages, a single woman on the subway at 10 pm, a peasant without land, an unemployed worker... an unhappy student, a dissident amid free market economics, a writer without books or readers, and, of course, a Zapatista in the mountains of southeast Mexico. So Marcos is a human being, any human being, in this world. Marcos is all the exploited, marginalized and oppressed minorities, resisting and saying, 'Enough'!

What is particular about the Zapatismo ideology is that it is a historical conflict against the trans-historical oppressor of the indigenous of Mexico; altogether the marginalized people of the world. This historical oppressor has been described as the colonial Spaniard, the nineteenth century British and the post-cold war, neo-liberal United States. The Zapatista worldview adopts a position of humanity versus neoliberalism. The Zapatistas believe that the United States market dehumanizes people. It is a concentration of wealth-crimes against humanity.

The movement started in southern Mexico, in the state of Chiapas. It remains most popular with the poor indigenous peoples of that area. It appeared shortly after (and in response to) the signing of NAFTA - the North American Free Trade Agreement [go to A Place Called Chiapas- A Documentary on the Zapatistas]. Soon after its inception, the EZLN held an international conference in Chiapas called the Intercontinental Encounter for Humanity and against Neoliberalism. It resulted in various other Zapatista groups emerging outside of Mexico.[citation needed]

The new Zapatista rebellion is a smaller and more peaceful uprising that has had few serious encounters with the government. A brief spurt of violence accompanied its inception when several thousand peasants seized five Chiapan towns. Hundreds of lives were lost when the military was sent to confront the rebels. Another spate of violence occurred when forty alleged Zapatista sympathizers were killed during the Acteal massacre in 1997.

Presently, the Zapatistas are offering more nonviolent resistance. They reject parliamentary elections at the national level because they see such elections as not involving participation by the people in a meaningful way and therefore, as not truly democratic. (See Anarchism.) The Zapatistas have organized a network of grass-roots based democratic village councils in their autonomous region, and have set up schools, courts, and clinics. The most recent large demonstration was a 2001 march to Mexico City with only very scattered episodes of violence. Since the late 1990s, the movement has been involved in an introspective series of Councils of Good Government within their realm of influence. While the rebellion may appear to be in somewhat of a standstill, the people are still very active in their attempts to acquire autonomy. The government remains reluctant to address the rebellion because doing so might lend an impression of political instability. In 2005, the EZLN held a summit, the result of which was the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle. This document reflects many Marxist ideas. The EZLN currently calls people to "be a Zapatista wherever you are."

As part of his campaign promises during the 2000 Mexican Presidential election, Vicente Fox claimed he would solve the EZLN guerrilla problem in "fifteen minutes." This was shown to be an empty promise, however, since Fox has simply left the Congress to deal with the constitutional changes demanded by the Zapatistas.

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Global Discourse on the Zapatista Movement
In order to conduct a study into the modern day Zapatistas it is crucial to use primary sources and essays previously conducted on this everchanging movement. This section will look at a documentary which provides a first hand account of life in the mostly rebel territory of Chiapas, and essays which attempt to restate the nature of the Zapatista movement.

Marcos' statement on the marginalization of civilians of the world and the Zapatistas' persistent attention to the internet has also led to global discourse on the Zapatista movement. This has transformed the meaning and perception of the Zapatistas. James Petras, one of the intellectuals being drawn from this global discourse in Romancing the Zapatistas, International Intelletuals and the Chiapas rebellion, defines the movement as one who "mapped the influences shaping the emergence of both Zapatistas and a range of other 'new' peasant-based social movements in the region...He pointed to the emergence of peasant leaders, with some school-level education, emphasizing that, while the leadership and then new peasantry generally are 'rooted in the rural struggle,' they have a 'cosmopolitan vision'. At the same time he emphasized the importance of Marxism (particularly the idea of class struggle) to the thinking of these movements, making a case for the continued relevance of Marxism to any effort to understand political and socioecomonic change in the Americas." Henry Veltmeyer's, another international intellectual, perspective parallels Petras' perspective as the context for the "incipient third-wave revolutionary movements" which have a profoundly negative impact on "neo-liberal economic policies on a wide-range of social groups in Latin America". One of the main difficulites for Zapatistas and intellectuals in defining their movement comes hand in hand with the Mexican government's consistent militarization of the struggle and increasing number of paramilitaries in Mexico, particularly Chiapas. This presents the Zapatistas with the "dilemma of choosing between military and political struggle." The framework for this study homogenizes the neoliberal challenge and post-cold war modes of resistance to this "New Imperialism". Roger Burback's theory responds to Petras' and Veltmeyer's challenges in describing the movement as "postmodern because of their insistence on the need for a 'new social and economic order that goes beyond' both capitalism and socialism." A new perspective from the indigenous context has categorized the Zapatista movement in the lines of "the resurrection of the Mesoamerican soul". For Ouweneel she believes that the "the rise of the Zapatistas as primarily an attempt to recover indigenous ideas and practices [look up Maya]." The symbolism of the Mesoamerican soul has been given attention by Gary Gossen who argues, " 'few features of Mesoamerican life, ancient or modern, that demonstrate the tenacity than the unseen Mesoamerican essence,' that has been maintained to this day via, 'creative reinterpretation of a distinctively Mesoamerican vision of self, society, and ethnic identity.'" With these reinterpretations themselves the Zapatista movement continues to transform itself, ignite global discourse through the media, and invoke the spirit of the Mexican revolution today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista


sounds like a bunch of commies to me............... my 2

Everyone can get their own interpretations off a wiki article, and for being commies, not quite so, they have a compelling reason to fight and to be heard, not sure if you know about the seriousness since NAFTA was signed and how big a threat neo-liberalism actually is to 3rd world countries, Impoverished nations, and perhaps we're all to blind to see, but to be isolated and demoralized by your own country is a cruel punishment, to know your country despises your native indian-mexican roots just as the US could care less about native american roots. The big picture is profit over people, anything to get richer, thus NAFTA was signed and so began the rule of greedy men.

there has been protest and claims of fraud after every mexican election in the past, nothing new.

Yes, there's protest rallies going on as we speak demanding recount of the new presidency, but Zapatista have their own campaign going on for them, nothing related to current corrupt Mexican gov't, they could care less who wins presidency or if there is a recount.

I hate NAFTA. Ever since i first learned about it.