Soma's Feminine Seed Method ...

"I named this new method â??Rodelizationâ?� after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male â??bananasâ?�. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them â??Emergency Devicesâ?� because they emerge at times of stress."

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Now I'm by no means a grower, BUT...the assumption is that female flowers develop male 'bananas' with pollen that produced 100% feminine seeds, to further propogate the species. This in my honest opinion conflicts with logic and common sense. The plant wants to further its species, I'll buy that. But what I don't buy is that they are all female seeds. That would be a very foolish thing to do for a species to create all females, as the plant created the 'male banana' in the first place to reproduce itself, because there is no males around. to create all female seeds would mean you would have no males whatsoever, and the plant would have to create these male bananas every single time, unless it gets lucky enough to have a male a few miles away, and have pollen reach it. and 10-14 days longer after a harvest, wouldn't all the calyx's be 'dead' and unable to reproduce in the first place? The other problem I have with this idea is that if male pollen was released, it may not even land on the plant, and be immediately blow away from the immediate area. This whole theory, out in the wild, would be very bad for the plants, as they would create nothing but females and have to keep making male bananas near the end of flowering every single generation. After evolution and time, this plant should become a completely new offshoot, that reproduces only by pollinating itself, forever being a hermie every single generation. And Without any newly introduced genes in an area without males, you would think that over time, these plants would eventually suffer from severe genetic degradation.

Also, I don't see how you could say a unfertilized flowering plant, is being stressed by lack of fertilization, since it is said that stress is what causes these male bananas in the first place. Under that assumption, it would be said that ALL hermie plants produce female only seeds.

Though it seems illogical, this is not an uncommon trend in nature. The human eye has a blind spot among other fallacies in nature. The reason all the seeds are female is because the male banana is composed of only female chromosomes of the same plant so if you polinate it with its own genes you will get the same plant.

Its like identical twins inbreeding.

Another note, I have never tried this with the male banana tactic, but with a item called CL-one I believe. What it does is changes the plants sex causing your budding females to produce pollen sacs.

Wow....even I don't argue with Soma.

We have discussions but I don't argue with him. ;)

Good luck

I wouldn't argue with Soma either.
Zandor you know him.
That dude is a legend.
He's like a rock start in my eyes. lol

The only down side to Soma's technic in my opinion is that in order to make S1's this way.
You are going to be using the plants that are most suseptable to hermies.
There for your seeds would have more of a hermie tendency if stressed.
But this is just a theory.
I never tested this.

I would use STS to make Selfed seeds.
That way you can stress your plants and reverse the one that withstands turning hermie under stress.

well I'm not argueing in a rude way to say at the very least, just voicing my own opinions. And, remember, he DIDN'T invent this technique, so it's not as severe. Anyways, If there is a way to make females into males, then there has gotta be a way to make males into females. This is more of a discussion from my point of view. It just seems that there should be a whole range of different types that should be hermie and only hermie completely as a result of this.

No actually thats not right.
I know you aren't being insulting.
We just meant.
Why doubt Soma.
He knows more on this subject then anyone on this site.
So why argue what he says.
But you have every right to doubt him.
I believe it is posssible to turn a male female.
But it is way tougher.
And sometimes just wont happen.
All MJ plants have a level of hermie tendencies.

It's a matter of breeding those plants that switch sex easyily out.
So you breed with the plants that wont hermie easily.

The reason a female turns herie.
Is a hormone that builds up during the dark period.
Once this hormone is not building up(do to light leaks,over flowering, stuff like that) then the plant will think it need to reproduce on it own.
\Spewing all female polline on your plants.
Remember if the plant is hermie to begin with ,you cxan not use it for breeding females.
You need to turn a plant hermie in order to make females.
STS is the best way to do this without causing huge amuonts of stress.

Check out ICMForum.
They have everything you need to know.

if a plant is herm to begin with why wouldnt it be able to produce all femaile seeds? A female plant that has herm tendencies still has only 2 y cromisomes. Or thats what i remember reading.

Your right.
It would produce all female seeds.
But the chance of them turning hermie under stress will be greater if using a stressed hermie for polline.
STS just reverses it.
Instead of stressing it to hermie.