Iraq to probe US massacre claims

wait a minute... I thought we were going in there to take out a dictator who massacred people... oh, I get it... since we're americans it's ok... God Bless America... Support Our Troops....

... you really wanna support these guys?? Now please don't get me wrong, I'm grateful everyday for our troops and freedoms and those fighting to keep that... but come on... this is shit... it goes high into the chain of command too, this isn't some punk kid over there that shot someone, this is a cover up of mass proportion. This is a serious crime and it's a joke we're trying to 'liberate' a coutry by doing this...

you really wanna support our troops, bring them home... stop them from killing people and stop them from caring out the goals of our own dictator... Bush is no better than Sadam and neither is his military if they continue on the same path together... Why is it ok for us to massacre people but not Sadam??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5030960.stm

Iraq will investigate allegations that US marines carried out a massacre of civilians in Haditha in November, the country's prime minister has said.

Nouri Maliki told Reuters news agency there was "a limit to the acceptable excuses" for civilian casualties.

The Pentagon is close to ending its own inquiries into the deaths, initially attributed to a clash with militants.

Observers say the incident could deal a more serious blow to US standing than the Abu Ghraib scandal.

According to initial US military reports, 15 civilians and eight insurgents died after a bomb killed a marine in Haditha, a militant stronghold in Anbar Province.

The civilians were "victims of a wrong operation", Mr Maliki said in a separate interview with the BBC.

"It is not justifiable that a family is killed because someone is fighting terrorists."

Speaking to Reuters, he said his government was worried by "the increase in 'mistakes'" and would ask "for answers not only about Haditha but about any operation... in which killing happened by mistake".

"We will hold those who did it responsible," he added.

The BBC's Justin Webb reports from Washington that enough material has now been leaked to the US media about events in Haditha to suggest to many Americans that allegations of a massacre are very serious and may well be true.

'Cold blood'

US investigators are looking at both the actual events in Haditha on 19 November and an alleged cover-up by troops.

US marines in Iraq
Haditha has seen regular deadly attacks on US troops

The military said at the time that the civilians were killed as a result of either the bomb or a gun battle which erupted afterwards, in which the militants were reportedly killed.

But reports from Iraqi witnesses and in the US media allege that marines went on a rampage.

According to the Wall St Journal, there is evidence that marines killed civilians, including women and children, without provocation.

Several marines are likely to be charged with murder and others with attempting to cover up the incident, the newspaper said, quoting civilian and military officials close to the investigations.

One of the marines in Haditha that day, Lance Cpl Roel Ryan Briones of Hanford, California, told the Los Angeles Times he had taken photos and carried bodies out of homes as part of a clean-up crew:

"They ranged from little babies to adult males and females. I'll never be able to get that out of my head. I can still smell the blood."

Caution plea

Jim Murtha, a Democratic Congressman and former marine, has said he believes civilians in Haditha were murdered and the incident was covered up.

"They killed innocent civilians in cold blood and that's what the report is going to tell," he said.

"It is as bad as Abu Ghraib, if not worse," he told CNN television.

Gen Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and chief military adviser to the US president, said on Monday it would be premature for him to judge the outcome of the investigations.

"If the allegations as they are being portrayed in the newspapers turn out to be valid, then of course there'll be charges," he said.

"We'll get to the bottom of the investigation and take the appropriate action."

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wait a minute... I thought we were going in there to take out a dictator who massacred people... oh, I get it... since we're americans it's ok... God Bless America... Support Our Troops....

you really wanna support our troops, bring them home... stop them from killing people and stop them from caring out the goals of our own dictator... Bush is no better than Sadam and neither is his military if they continue on the same path together... Why is it ok for us to massacre people but not Sadam??

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Several marines are likely to be charged with murder and others with attempting to cover up the incident, the newspaper said, quoting civilian and military officials close to the investigations.

I take it you missed that part. U.S. soldiers that commit these type of actions are being charged with crimes....you portray it like they're going to get a free ride.....why??? I just don't get the logic.:cool:

because it happened in November... that's quite a while ago and I doubt they would have faced any investigations if this information wasn't leaked... much like the rest of the cases about this administration...

is that a good enough reason for you??

or should I bring up the 30,000+ civilian deaths that are unaccounted for and labeled the same way these were in November??

I don't see why you insist on posting everything bad about Iran, yet defending everything about the US... I just figured if the Mod of this forum is going to be that biased someone needs to post the other side..


HAVE A GOOD ONE

by the way Tony Snow today in his address said that the our dictator didn't know about the case until the Time Magazine article wrote about it...

while Peter Pace was on CBS This Morning telling he knew of the events, feb 10th... I think that's the date he gave... I have looked for the transcript but cannot find it... either way it's good to see that Pace and the President chose not to talk about this case to each other...

IS THAT ANOTHER GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO BRING IT UP?? Or should I just post lies about how dangerous the terrorist are and how close Iran is to a Bomb??

By the way... that huge country with billions of people that already has a bomb... they just got a contract from GE today worth 50 million... So keep complianing to me about posting things about america... and keep posting your stuff about how horrible Iran is... I do think that our dictator is much worse and there are plenty more crimes he has commited.

oh, and by the way... that dictator that we so profoundly took out of power and so graciously retored peace to his nation... the one that killed and is being tried for 148 people... not 30,000... well I think the people he killed are hanging out with the same terrorists that were found alive after 9/11....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5029732.stm

Saddam and seven co-defendants are on trial over the deaths of 148 men and teenagers after a failed attempt on Saddam's life in Dujail in 1982.

"The prosecutor said they were executed but I am telling you I ate with them some time ago," said the witness.

The defendants have all pleaded not guilty to the charges.

The anonymous witness said he was a teenager in Dujail in 1982 when the assassination attempt led to what the prosecution has termed a massive crackdown on the village.

"Around 23 of those who were mentioned among the 148 are still alive, and I know most of them," the witness said from behind a curtain to protect his identity.

He suggested the survivors fled abroad after the attempt on Saddam's life, but returned after he was overthrown in 2003.

He said he could make a list of their names.

"I've eaten with them, I've met them... I can take the chief prosecutor to Dujail and have lunch with them," he said.


have a good one ;)

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because it happened in November... that's quite a while ago and I doubt they would have faced any investigations if this information wasn't leaked... much like the rest of the cases about this administration...

"Several marines are likely to be charged with murder and others with attempting to cover up the incident"

When there is an attempt to cover something up wouldn't there have to be a leak for it to be released?

is that a good enough reason for you??

mmmmmmmm...nope:D

or should I bring up the 30,000+ civilian deaths that are unaccounted for and labeled the same way these were in November??

HAD to be the U.S. troops, heaven knows there is no insurgency, car bombers, etc........

I don't see why you insist on posting everything bad about Iran, yet defending everything about the US...

LOL...I think the anti-U.S. thing is pretty well covered. Likewise, I don't see why you insist on posting everything bad about the U.S......

I just figured if the Mod of this forum is going to be that biased someone needs to post the other side..

Hey....biased???? Look at the border issue...hell, I'm on the same side as eg420ne, pisshead, and EVEN Alex Jones!!!!!!!!!! What issue have YOU crossed the proverbial political line? DAMN, me and A.J. on the same team....SCARY!!!!!!!!!:eek:

HAVE A GOOD ONE

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You too have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Gumby

because it happened in November... that's quite a while ago and I doubt they would have faced any investigations if this information wasn't leaked... much like the rest of the cases about this administration...

is that a good enough reason for you??

or should I bring up the 30,000+ civilian deaths that are unaccounted for and labeled the same way these were in November??

I don't see why you insist on posting everything bad about Iran, yet defending everything about the US... I just figured if the Mod of this forum is going to be that biased someone needs to post the other side..


HAVE A GOOD ONE

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There already was an investigation numb nuts, just so happened this Democrat heard about it, and he saw a shot at Re-election

And name 1 of the 9-11 hijackers thats been found alive...you cant..

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/ <--- the 19 hijakcers that have been found alive...



Umm... no there wasn't... it happened in Nov... the first time Pace heard about it was in Feb and the first time Bush heard about it was from Time Magazine...


man Myth... you suck with your propaganda shit... but keep trying... :)

Have love for the troops. They are doing what they are told. I hope that Bush will come to his senses and bring our guys home safely. The war with Iraq was a mistake, even though Saddam was a dictator. He just was not a problem after the Gulf War and Bush made him out to be Satan incarnate.