J Rolling

any body got some good tips on how to roll a decent joint?¿

http://www.thcfacts.com/joints.asp

roll a pap around a pen, start to fill up with bud, compact it using 2 pens every so often then twist the ends

this is the pap> _______________________
pen========== BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD==========pen
this is the pap > ---------------------------


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BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD>--- very hard to draw like this
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