South Dakota house passes ban on abortion

This is a bold move . The bill does allow a loophole for women who are at risk of dying or have been raped and such.

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=0,45916

Actually, it doesn't exempt rape victims. Or incest victims. Or the health of the mother, except in cases of near-death.

Congrats to S. Dakota! Welcome to the 1950s.

Congratz S Dakota

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Originally Posted by bhallg2k

Congrats to S. Dakota! Welcome to the 1950s.

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QFE....That is really sad they're doing that. The main point of it is to have a court declare it unconstitutional b/c of Roe V. Wade and then theyd try to appeal it to the Supreme Court, which would probably uphold the law, effectively ending abortion in any conservative state and eventually ending it when Congress passes a law.

But, even if this law passes, I doubt an appeal would make it to the Supreme Court. It would get shot down too far before the Supreme Court that it would be an embarassment to Roberts and Alit if they upheld it.

In my non-expert opinion, I think that another law or lawsuit will be more controversial and not flat-out banning aborting, and that's when they'd overturn wade. Ie. a state would pass a law requiring a husband's permission and then the Supreme Court would declare abortion not protected under the constitution.

But I really hope that doesnt happen. Hey Alito/Roberts, want to pretend to be a liberal for a few years?

From the same state that brought us Bill Janklow and gave the murdering drunk back his law license. Now he and Ted Kennedy can be best buds and still have something to argue about. Oh yeah, and the corn palace.

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Originally Posted by Awill3449

QFE....That is really sad they're doing that. The main point of it is to have a court declare it unconstitutional b/c of Roe V. Wade and then theyd try to appeal it to the Supreme Court, which would probably uphold the law, effectively ending abortion in any conservative state and eventually ending it when Congress passes a law.

But, even if this law passes, I doubt an appeal would make it to the Supreme Court. It would get shot down too far before the Supreme Court that it would be an embarassment to Roberts and Alit if they upheld it.

In my non-expert opinion, I think that another law or lawsuit will be more controversial and not flat-out banning aborting, and that's when they'd overturn wade. Ie. a state would pass a law requiring a husband's permission and then the Supreme Court would declare abortion not protected under the constitution.

But I really hope that doesnt happen. Hey Alito/Roberts, want to pretend to be a liberal for a few years?

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There's no guarantee that the supreme court would uphold such a decision. We've already seen Alito drive the radical righties nuts with his first decision. It would appear he is more even keeled than they had hoped for. Which by the way really pisses off the lefties too. So much entertainment to be had in the world of politics. I am one of those crazy bastards that thinks that the government should keep out of medical decisions and reproductive issues at all costs. This was more than evidenced by the whole Terri Schiavo fiasco as well as the case that preceded Roe v Wade that involved a state (Connecticut maybe?) trying to outlaw birth control even for married folks. A truly outrageous crock of shit that never should have happened. Politicians are so arrogant.
That being said, I don't believe abortion should be used for anything but the most extreme cases such as the very rare occasion when the mothers life is in jeopardy, along with rape, incest, molestation, etc. since we don't need that kind of sickness in the gene pool. There is little or no excuse for accidental pregnancies in the 21st century. Then again, I also lean in the direction of mandatory birth control for welfare moms and hard core enforcement of child support laws.

AMERICA
FUCK YEAH
COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHER FUCKING DAY, YEAH

(or in this case, unborn fetuses)

Rediculous, just like the rest of the non-sense this country tries to push.

Thank You South Dakota! Maybe abortion will be outlawed in most cases...I can always hope.

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There's no guarantee that the supreme court would uphold such a decision. We've already seen Alito drive the radical righties nuts with his first decision. It would appear he is more even keeled than they had hoped for. Which by the way really pisses off the lefties too. So much entertainment to be had in the world of politics. I am one of those crazy bastards that thinks that the government should keep out of medical decisions and reproductive issues at all costs. This was more than evidenced by the whole Terri Schiavo fiasco as well as the case that preceded Roe v Wade that involved a state (Connecticut maybe?) trying to outlaw birth control even for married folks. A truly outrageous crock of shit that never should have happened. Politicians are so arrogant.
That being said, I don't believe abortion should be used for anything but the most extreme cases such as the very rare occasion when the mothers life is in jeopardy, along with rape, incest, molestation, etc. since we don't need that kind of sickness in the gene pool. There is little or no excuse for accidental pregnancies in the 21st century. Then again, I also lean in the direction of mandatory birth control for welfare moms and hard core enforcement of child support laws.

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Hmm...interesting. So you think people shouldn't have abortions (for the most part), but they should still be legal? If that's what you're saying, then I'd have to agree.

As for Alito, I'm pretty sure I said it wouldn't even make it to the Supreme Court IMO. But, I hope he comes around and sides with the liberals on abortion, but if I had to guess I'd say he's one of the conservatives who "protects life" at all stages...(anti-death penalty, pro-life) -- except they dont so much during the actual life..but that's another debate

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Hmm...interesting. So you think people shouldn't have abortions (for the most part), but they should still be legal? If that's what you're saying, then I'd have to agree.

As for Alito, I'm pretty sure I said it wouldn't even make it to the Supreme Court IMO. But, I hope he comes around and sides with the liberals on abortion, but if I had to guess I'd say he's one of the conservatives who "protects life" at all stages...(anti-death penalty, pro-life) -- except they dont so much during the actual life..but that's another debate

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Alito and the Supreme Court arent gonna make abortion fully illegal. They should however give the choice back to the states where it belongs. The states should then regulate abortion at all costs. It's a barbaric practice.