For the NO on 19 crowd:

Stop invoking Jack Herer.

From the Family of Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes

Van Nuys, California, August, 2010

Dear Friends of Hemp and Cannabis,

Our father, Jack Herer, was a man of leadership, compassion and idealism. He worked relentlessly for decades to achieve his dream of legalizing Cannabis hemp in all its forms, personal, medical and industrial. He wanted Cannabis to be free and open, and to be given full respect for its enormous economic, environmental and cultural benefits.

As an idealist, Jack was adverse to half measures. He originally opposed Prop 215 because it stopped at medical use only. He initially opposed Senate Bill 420 because it set limited quantities as a safe harbor. Over time, however, he came to appreciate the freedoms they created, and took pride in the role he played in inspiring those changes. Jackâ??s great fear about Prop 215 and SB 420 was that people would accept those limits, become complacent and stop working for full legalization. He feared we would be stuck with medical use forever.

Likewise, Jack railed against Tax Cannabis 2010, now Proposition 19, and its plan for limited legalization and local authority to tax and regulate marijuana sales to adults 21 and above. It falls far short of what he wanted. Jack â??wanted it all,â?? and Prop 19 is just a part of that dream. Unfortunately, Jack passed away before Prop 19 made the 2010 ballot; so many people think he would still oppose it. We donâ??t believe that, and we ask that everyone stop saying he would cling to that position as we move toward the Nov. 2 vote.

As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal. He was smart and had the political savvy to know that once a measure is on the ballot, the time for bickering has passed. That is why he campaigned for Prop 215 despite its shortcomings. That is why, were he able, he would now be telling voters to rally around and Vote Yes on Prop 19.

Does that mean he would want everyone to stop and be happy with the modest changes that Prop 19 affords? Absolutely not! What Jack would want us to do right now is to support Prop 19, and come Nov. 3 he would be right back again, telling you to renew your commitment to bring a comprehensive California Hemp and Health Initiative to the voters in 2012 or some future date. Jack Herer would ask â?? no, he would demand your yes vote on Prop 19, along with a pledge to continue fighting for the plant, the people and the planet.

It is true that Prop 19 does not fulfill our fatherâ??s dream; but it takes us much closer to achieving it than we are now, and for that reason we, his family, endorse Prop 19 today.

Please vote yes on Prop 19 Nov 2, but do it with the dedication to keep working toward complete legalization in Jackâ??s honor.

Sincerely, Dan Herer et al.

From the Family of Jack Herer: The Hemperor would Support Prop 19 | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform

Appreciate your message. I am amazed that there are bud smokers that oppose this. They must realize how good this will be for all of us!

Even here in Utah I hope to see the prices of OZ drop to 200 within a year of it's passing. :rastasmoke:

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Appreciate your message. I am amazed that there are bud smokers that oppose this. They must realize how good this will be for all of us!

Even here in Utah I hope to see the prices of OZ drop to 200 within a year of it's passing. :rastasmoke:

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the people that don't want it are making money on it the way it is now...ie. the growers, the police, the sheriffs (more hours and jobs for them)all make salary on it,:rastasmoke:they aren't interested in making it cheeper either:stoned:

Thank you, Willy! great find! that is what I've suspected all along, these guys were competing against each others during the initiative season, but now that its over everyone comes together and supports the prop that made the ballot. I really could not imagine Mr. Herer supporting a no vote and very glad his family has cleared that up! :)

Rassmussin (sp?) polling has Prop 19 in a statistical tie with 7% undecided and predicting a loss since undecided voters generally swing to no voters on these kinds of props. hope thats not the case, but that was on Fox so take it with a grain of salt. :rastasmoke:

im voting with a maybe? haha joking....but im thinking this isnt going to get passed,but im hoping it does.!

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im voting with a maybe? haha joking....but im thinking this isnt going to get passed,but im hoping it does.!

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get out there and VOTE, damn your eyes!:D

It'll be a close one, but do the polls account for all the kids with cellphones who weren't called? College students have been way more active than they usually are, due to this issue. Talk to your friends. Regular registration is done, but vote by mail continues until the 26th. Get your friends off their butts, and get them to register and vote.

I have read the proposition. I simply do not think it supports Liberty and Freedom. I think it makes it possible for the big dispensaries to get bigger, a corporate takeover of the industry, and it will bring the fire of the DEA down on California. This will make us a target...

If we are going to leagalize, then leagalize it entirely. This process of making concessions and letting the federal government drag its feet is what needs to be getting press. Take the fight to Wasshington for reclassifcation...so we can stop the federal intervention. Regardless of this law passing the federal government will be a torn in the medical and recreational community at large. In fact, Attorney General Eric Holder, has stated that they will enforce federal law in california for cultivation, distribution, and processing. How does this not put a big target on the medical community. I believe prop 19 is endangering California medical patients access to medicine...and people truly need their medicine here.

The age limit being 21 is a joke too. I do not believe it is right that a person can be old enough to fight and die for his/her country shouldn't be allowed to partake in the medical goodness.

And, If you knew anything about Jack Herer, or had ever met him...you would know that he would not stand for the corp-tization of Cannabis. Big business has no business killing the community and lifestyle that we all live. But, with 19 this is what will happen. Mari-boro...and Cann-mel's will be available everywhere and the quality and genetics will suck. I thought we were done with the mexi-dirt weed?

So, I am not voting for Prop. 19...I can't be swayed. The facts, and the wording don't add up to me, and I am not the only one who is saying so.m Dennis Peron, Paul Suarini (marijuana Radio), every grower, small dispensary owner, and All of FAR-NOR-CAL agrees.

What needs to be focused on is keeping democrats in office to protect the laws that are already on the books. Hell, Arnold already de-criminalized having up to an ounce for any person! And, you can get a card pretty easily. What is the point in giving so much control back to the state (they can't even manage their own qwagillion dollar budget).

Vote Democrat...No on 19 and protect the patients.

I'm constantly shocked at how many pot smokers are against prop 19. The only people I thought would be pissed were the growers... meh.

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I'm constantly shocked at how many pot smokers are against prop 19. The only people I thought would be pissed were the growers... meh.

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yeah, me too. voters have a chance to end cannabis prohibition and they choose not to. that, to me, reveals a lot about why cannabis prohibition has manage to stay alive. even the people under its control have become okay with it. it is an accepted part of the nanny state that we must be controlled. people are afraid of freeing themselves.

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I have read the proposition. I simply do not think it supports Liberty and Freedom. I think it makes it possible for the big dispensaries to get bigger, a corporate takeover of the industry, and it will bring the fire of the DEA down on California. This will make us a target...

If we are going to leagalize, then leagalize it entirely. This process of making concessions and letting the federal government drag its feet is what needs to be getting press. Take the fight to Wasshington for reclassifcation...so we can stop the federal intervention. Regardless of this law passing the federal government will be a torn in the medical and recreational community at large. In fact, Attorney General Eric Holder, has stated that they will enforce federal law in california for cultivation, distribution, and processing. How does this not put a big target on the medical community. I believe prop 19 is endangering California medical patients access to medicine...and people truly need their medicine here.

The age limit being 21 is a joke too. I do not believe it is right that a person can be old enough to fight and die for his/her country shouldn't be allowed to partake in the medical goodness.

And, If you knew anything about Jack Herer, or had ever met him...you would know that he would not stand for the corp-tization of Cannabis. Big business has no business killing the community and lifestyle that we all live. But, with 19 this is what will happen. Mari-boro...and Cann-mel's will be available everywhere and the quality and genetics will suck. I thought we were done with the mexi-dirt weed?

So, I am not voting for Prop. 19...I can't be swayed. The facts, and the wording don't add up to me, and I am not the only one who is saying so.m Dennis Peron, Paul Suarini (marijuana Radio), every grower, small dispensary owner, and All of FAR-NOR-CAL agrees.

What needs to be focused on is keeping democrats in office to protect the laws that are already on the books. Hell, Arnold already de-criminalized having up to an ounce for any person! And, you can get a card pretty easily. What is the point in giving so much control back to the state (they can't even manage their own qwagillion dollar budget).

Vote Democrat...No on 19 and protect the patients.

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You're either very naive about politics, or you're just another grower having a tantrum because your easy money may not be so easy now. No fan of freedom would vote against prop 19, including Jack, if he were still with us. Your objections are bogus and have already been debunked all over the boards here. Stop buying the lies. You're being duped. Wake up.