Because some of you STILL say YES...
This information comes from Conrad Kicznenski, an organic farmer and son of a long-time anti-prohibiton activist, who prepared a 25-page long report on the connection between the Yes on 19 campaign, the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA), Monsanto and the big pharmaceutical companies.
Here is a very short version of his report.
"On Drug Policy Alliance's website it states state that DPA is a leading advocate for Prop 19 in California. DPA's board of directors have included ex-deputy directors of the CIA and the department of defense, leading executives from the Carlyle Group, and other defense contractors, presidents of the federal reserve bank, people from IBM, the Rockefeller foundation, and of course George Soros, who is in fact a major shareholder in MONSANTO, as well as multiple other petroleum companies.
"George Soros is likened as the 'father' of the modern Cannabis legalization
movement. His finances have made DPA, MPP and organizations like NORML what they are today. . . All the while his major investments in Monsanto suggest that he
has other interests in the plant as well . . .
"This is more than just Monsanto. GW Pharma has admitted to having "high level"
talks with the FDA, DEA and state legislators from California in their effort to bring their patented Cannabis plants and compounds to market in the U.S.. All the while, GW Pharma has partnered with HortaPharm, which is an R & D company that has compiled the largest Cannabis seed library in the world to deliver to GW Pharma any combination of strains they desire, which are then patented and marketed by GW. GW has sold some of their patent rights to Bayer, which is a bio-tech equivalent to Monsanto.
"Monsanto is also working with the university of Mississippi's Cannabis research program through their affiliate Mallincrockdt, to patent and market Cannabis compounds.
"Monsanto has also heavily influenced Canada's largest hemp research program based in the University of Guelph.
"The DEA, which has licensed Cannabis programs with UM, GW and HortaPharm, has also licensed research done by George Weiblen, who is very close to Genetically Engineering THC-FREE Cannabis plants.
"GW pharma and hortapharm have stated their intent to produce Cannabis strains that do not reproduce viable seed, to protect their genetic copyright, which they have succeeded to patent and proliferate in the market via 'feminized seeds'. All with the help of the DEA and Bayer.
"So, in other words, the legalization movement, being fueled by Monsanto's
shareholders, is merely bringing about the interest of these transnational
companies to corner the cannabis market."
If you want to read Kiczenski's full report, contact him at Conrad Kiczneski <[email protected]>.
Don't be tricked by Prop. 19. It was NEVER about legalization, a word that does NOT APPEAR in the text of Prop. 19. It has ALWAYS been about taxation, regulation and control -- that means taxation, regulation and controlling the "little people" (and I don't mean leprechauns, I mean you and me) and pushing us out of being able to grow for ourselves and share with each other. 5X5? Thats a joke and any true Grower knows that.That's why Prop. 19 HAD to affect medical marijuana patients,if we were allowed to continue to grow and share as much as we need for our medical needs, we wouldn't make a "good" market according to them.
Prop. 19, if it passes, means that you'll be forced to buy cannabis from the same folks who've brought us unsafe and wildly expensive prescription drugs. It means all those people who've been developing different strains and doing their own research into what kinds of cannabis work best for their health problems like me, and the people who are doing it for love and out of concern for their relatives and themselves, Like me are going to become extinct.This is just like in the fact-based movie "Lorenzo's Oil" -- will be pushed out of being able to breed,grow and share.
This isn't legalization -- it's a slaughter. And the Sad part is you all want it...
Still want it Legal? Hope you dont live in Nor Cal, here is one more since you all just LOVE PROP 19...
by Peter Hecht, Sacramento Bee
August 29th, 2010
"After a Rancho Cordova woman complained last year about the skunky smell of pot being grown by a medical marijuana-using neighbor, one City Council member suggested a ban on residential pot cultivation.
That proposal went nowhere. But now Rancho Cordova is asking voters to make the city the first in California to approve a tax on home-grown pot for personal use.
Advocates for medical marijuana and a state initiative to legalize pot for recreational use say the proposed tax is so prohibitive that virtually no one could afford to grow marijuana in the Sacramento County city.
The city's Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax measure on the Nov. 2 ballot would impose an annual tax of $600 per square foot on indoor marijuana cultivation of up to and including 25 square feet, and a $900-per-square-foot tax for anything larger.
The tax, which makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, would cost a resident $15,000 a year if he or she cultivates pot in a 5-foot-by-5-foot growing space indoors. The measure would allow the city to lower the tax.
The tax proposal is drawing the ire of Don Duncan, California director of Americans for Safe Access, an advocacy group for medical marijuana.
"I think that will have the effect of essentially banning legal cultivation," Duncan said. "I don't know anyone who is prepared to pay $600 a square foot."
Rancho Cordova Mayor Ken Cooley said the city is protecting its interests should California voters approve Proposition 19. The state initiative, also on the Nov. 2 ballot, would legalize recreational marijuana use for adults over 21, allow small residential cultivation and permit cities to tax retail pot sales.
Cooley said the measure â?? which would impose a lower tax on outdoor growing â?? was a response to concerns "about problems caused in neighborhoods by growing marijuana."
"It just raised the issue for us that, as we comply with state law, we keep on top of quality of life issues," the mayor said.
Neighborhood services manager Kerry Simpson said code enforcement officers have uncovered a few cases of altered circuit boxes and fire hazards from dangerous wiring for residential pot cultivation.
Simpson said the city recently responded to residents complaining about mold in a rental unit.
"Lo and behold, they were causing it themselves because they had a (marijuana) grow in the bedroom," she said.
Dale Gieringer, the California director for National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, said he opposes any tax on medical pot growers but could envision a permit and modest fees for recreational cultivation.
Nevertheless, Gieringer said, the Rancho Cordova cultivation tax is likely an "unconstitutional" and "punitive" measure to keep people from growing pot.
"At that level, the city would collect no money," Gieringer said. "Nobody would pay that tax. It's a punitive tax. And I think it would be thrown out by the courts."
Separate from its ballot measure, Rancho Cordova passed an ordinance declaring outdoor pot cultivation exceeding 25 square feet an unlawful "public nuisance." The ordinance also requires special permits for any indoor grows above 25 square feet.
Rancho Cordova currently bans medical marijuana dispensaries. It has placed a second measure on the November ballot to impose a gross receipts tax of 12 percent to 15 percent on pot sales if any pot stores are allowed to open in the city in the future.
In nearby Sacramento, voters will consider a local measure to levy a gross receipts tax of 2 percent to 4 percent on some 39 existing medical pot dispensaries and impose a tax of 5 percent to 10 percent on new retail pot outlets if Proposition 19 passes.
Cooley said Rancho Cordova has no interest in allowing dispensaries but wanted a pot business tax in place should the courts force the city to accept the establishments.
Council member Dan Skoglund, who cast the only dissenting vote on pot business and cultivation taxes, said the ballot measures falsely suggest the city supports Proposition 19 or marijuana use.
"My vision of an all-American city is not to have a dispensary storefront," Skoglund said. He added: "How are you going to sell your house when you're overlooking the neighbor's (pot) garden?"
Although other cities have targeted marijuana businesses and commercial cultivators for taxes, Rancho Cordova is the first to look at people who may grow pot for themselves.
That infuriates Dr. Phillip Denney, a Carmichael physician who works with medical-marijuana patients, including several from the city.
"I see this as a very thinly veiled threat to the hard-won right of people to use cannabis as medicine," Denney said.
But Rancho Cordova spokeswoman Nancy Pearl said the cultivation tax seeks to pay for city code enforcement and protection against "general threats to the neighborhood" from potential crime, traffic, stench or other nuisances.
"Our building and safety people and police and fire will have to work more to protect the community," Pearl said. "And there are costs associated with that.""
Now thats INSANE! they are even admiting to pushing out anyone who opperates a Small grow Op, COME ON PEOPLE YOU STILL CAN'T BE SERIOUS ABOUT SUPPORTING THIS!
Read and Educate, I'm going to fight this till November hopefully you all wake up and spread the word, NO ON 19!
One Love...
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Because some of you STILL say YES...
Looks to me like Rancho Cordova is run by a bunch of idiots. Reason with them, vote 'em out, or take them to court. I bet they'd lose.
City councils can be very corrupt, or filled with extremists. Staying abreast of all the little tricks people will use to stop legitimate growers will take time and effort, but like they say, freedom isn't free.
I'm voting yes. Then I'll pay close attention. It's not a one-vote fight.
Because some of you STILL say YES...
like i said before it will still be federally illegal,so then again the big companies will not get involved.how hard is that to understand...
the only people who are worried are the ones who make a living off of it...
Because some of you STILL say YES...
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Originally Posted by middieman440
like i said before it will still be federally illegal,so then again the big companies will not get involved.how hard is that to understand...
the only people who are worried are the ones who make a living off of it...
There will be plenty of very wealthy people and corporations in California who would love to corner the market. We can stop that by limiting the licensing fees and taxes, and not allowing huge, warehouse-sized operations.
There are lots of folks who will simply want to make a killing, and have the money to buy the influence to dominate the market. Or, it could look a lot like it does now; many entrepreneurial small growers taking pride in their products, and keeping it pure.
Your town doesn't have to be like Oakland will be, with huge licensing fees and a small number of big players who can afford to play, leaving smaller growers out of the picture.
One strength of the prop is that cities will have to decide for themselves how to handle it. Some will be kinder than others. Get to know your city council members, and talk to them. Tell them what you want to see: Income opportunities for many in this "jobless recovery," not giant pot factories.
Politicians who create real jobs for the many will be well-liked. The sellout corporate whores, not so much! :smokin:
Because some of you STILL say YES...
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Originally Posted by middieman440
like i said before it will still be federally illegal,so then again the big companies will not get involved.how hard is that to understand...
the only people who are worried are the ones who make a living off of it...
All these large corporations have to do is set up a business partnership in which they form a new corporation that is under the wing of the parent corporation. This creates a legal barrier between the new and old corporation yet allows them to share profits.
Because some of you STILL say YES...
so all these so called companies are gonna get involved in a buisness that will be illegal federally and risk everything they have..i do not think so..the fed will be on it like a fat cake eating cake.....so yeah lets just vote no and forget about it ever going to happin again,because i doubt they will let another bill pass through to the voters....this is finally happening so let it pave the way to a new future,and you guys can get regular jobs just like the rest of us....
Because some of you STILL say YES...
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
It has ALWAYS been about taxation, regulation and control -- that means taxation, regulation and controlling the "little people" (and I don't mean leprechauns, I mean you and me) and pushing us out of being able to grow for ourselves and share with each other. 5X5? Thats a joke and any true Grower knows that.That's why Prop. 19 HAD to affect medical marijuana patients,if we were allowed to continue to grow and share as much as we need for our medical needs, we wouldn't make a "good" market according to them.
It doesn't affect medical. Stop spreading your lies. You're in this for the money, not patients. If you really cared about your patients, you would be for Prop 19 because it will only provide them with access to cheaper medicine. So selfish.
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
Prop. 19, if it passes, means that you'll be forced to buy cannabis from the same folks who've brought us unsafe and wildly expensive prescription drugs.
This is stupid and doesn't make any sense. YOU CAN GROW IT YOURSELF. You can't grow pharmaceuticals yourself, that is the difference here. If you don't want their stuff, there will be plenty of other places to get quality stuff or you can just grow your own.
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
It means all those people who've been developing different strains and doing their own research into what kinds of cannabis work best for their health problems like me, and the people who are doing it for love and out of concern for their relatives and themselves, Like me are going to become extinct
YOU ARE SO FULL OF YOURSELF. How can anyone really take you seriously? As if you're the only one who can grow quality medicine. The only reason you're able to sell your medicine at the prices you do is because of it's quasi-illegal status. If it becomes more legal, prices will go down and you will make less money. Don't act like you're noble or anything.
You are worse than the DEA trying to spread your lies and propaganda. A lot of what you are saying doesn't make any sense. Why don't you tell the truth and say "I don't want Prop 19 to pass because I won't be able to sell quasi-legal weed at illegal prices." Grow up man.
Because some of you STILL say YES...
yes, Monsanto is famous for being jerks with their seeds
guess what, nobody needs them because we can already buy seeds from overseas.
yes, they want to tax the crap out of people
but also, if marijuana legalization becomes the norm (like alcohol and tobacco) then no one is really going to report their neighbors for growing it.
As for the jerk who thinks people wont buy a house with some pot plants growing next store, I bet 50% of this country doesn't even know what pot looks like. my 2 cents: what looks better, tomatoes, marijuana, or a meth lab - tomato and marijuana for sure (they look similar enough anyways).
prop 19 isnt that bad, it also isnt that great - its better than what we have now (it would be the easiest tax to not pay)
Because some of you STILL say YES...
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Originally Posted by middieman440
so all these so called companies are gonna get involved in a buisness that will be illegal federally and risk everything they have..i do not think so..the fed will be on it like a fat cake eating cake.....so yeah lets just vote no and forget about it ever going to happin again,because i doubt they will let another bill pass through to the voters....this is finally happening so let it pave the way to a new future,and you guys can get regular jobs just like the rest of us....
You have to remember that there are about 15 other states that want what we want, legalization.They will be voting as soon as they can get it on the ballot.The Feds will have to sanction it.What are they gunna do throw us all in jail.Plus the Obama clan is on our side
