Cow Manure

Howdy Folks !
I found his forum a couple weeks ago and have been browsing as I have time (Great Forum!) I see that allot of you folks put allot of effort into your grows, but I see little mentioned abot cow manure, what gives? I have not grown in about 20 years but have started my holes already for next spring, with plans for a major effort. Back in the day I used cow manure and had no problems growing plants 10 to 15 foot tall, I am putting this in my holes now with 50 50 dirt/manure for the coming year, why is so little mentioned on this forum about manure ?

Also, I'm on the east coast (US) and we have serious chopper issues about the second week of June for about a week, anyone out this way planted under the canopy of the forest (not full sun) and had any luck ? I really don't want karosene sparyed on mine and carried to the landfill :D
C Yall Later :smokin:

theres absolutely nothing wrong with manure just dont use chicken poop it is bad for the plants,if you have rabiit poop that is the best stuff..but there is nothing wrong cow poo use it and enjoy,just dont use it as your only fertalizer since towards the end your going to need a bloom fertalizer......but ive grown with just cow/horse manure for the whole grow with wonderful results.nothings change since the old days.!

some people here dont use it because they think spending money on fertalizer is better than the old fashion way.and they also think it can hurt the plants but it doesnt so use it...

now for growing in a forest under tress not so good as you need as much direct sunlight as possible im from the east coast "ct" and grew with no problems just hide them well,clip the tops so they dont have the xmas tree look,pull them down as they are vegging the makes for a bigger yeild....theres ways around everything....but if you know what camoflauge is then you will be good

Yes I have read about pulling them down, but I don't understand exactly what you mean, are you pulling the top of the plant toward the ground ?

Also I live in the same type of terrain as you middleman, I'm in VA which is allot like CT. Thanks for your imput

PS: chicken poo works great in moderataion, most will use too much and burn the plants . a table spoon AWAY from the roots, works good, moderation is the key with chicken poo, as it is rich in nitrogen

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Originally Posted by middieman440

problems just hide them well,clip the tops so they dont have the xmas tree look,pull them down as they are vegging the makes for a bigger yeild....theres ways around everything....but if you know what camoflauge is then you will be good

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pulling them down,,,as they are vegging during the grow pull the top of the plant downwards till you feel pressure"like its going snap" then stop,the following week do the same,they key is to keep the plant from growing vertical and to allow the branches to grow upwards / < im using that as the stalk eventually it will lay flat and the branches will grow into main colas wich gives you more yeild,then you can also pull the branches and allow more growth...

its hard to explain but easilly done,do it when they get about 3 foot tall and the stalk is still soft i use twine tieing it loosley to the middle of the stalk and pull downwards,after a week the upper portion obove the twine can be pulled downwards again,eventually you will end up with a plant that looks like a sideways L with a bunch of branches growing....

I shall try that trick, thanks for the tip

no,problem

I have heard that when using manures there is a chance that you can burn your plants. Also only use fertilizers that are 100% organic. Chemical fertilizers can burn your plants and organic tends to taste better.

My soil mix is....
3 yards 80% Compost/20% Worm Casting. I mixed it with the native soil.
10 bags of Perlite for drainage
5 bags of Fox Farm Happy Frog organic soil mix
10 bags of bone meal. For an organic phosphorus
10 bags of blood meal. For an organic nitrogen nutrient
3 bags of bat guano

I fed my plants every other watering...
Vegetative growth: Fox Farm Grow Big liquid plant food.
Early flower growth: Fox Farm Tiger Bloom liquid plant food.
Late flower growth: Fox Farm Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom.

Also I would make teas with molasses and other organic nutrients when my plants started to flower.

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Originally Posted by airdawg13

I have heard that when using manures there is a chance that you can burn your plants. Also only use fertilizers that are 100% organic. Chemical fertilizers can burn your plants and organic tends to taste better.

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Would love to see your proof of this statement, as I fell it's in error.

A chemical compound is a chemical compound regardless of where it came from. There's no such distinction between organic chemical and plain old chemical, except in the marketing departments.

Yes, you can burn the plants with organics. Try putting your ladies in straight manure, and see how long it takes to kill your plants.

And no, the end result of using organics does not taste any better than a 'chemical' nutrient grow. You still want to regulate with proper nutrients, a proper pre-harvest flush and a proper cure, regardless.

I'm guessing I'd use manure were I growing under a 100,000w sun all summer with unlimited rootspace and no height restrictions. But I would definately use it sparingly, as organics break-down slowly, and I wouldn't want too much residual nitrogen around when the plant is trying to flower.

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Originally Posted by airdawg13

My soil mix is....
3 yards 80% Compost/20% Worm Casting. I mixed it with the native soil.
10 bags of Perlite for drainage
5 bags of Fox Farm Happy Frog organic soil mix
10 bags of bone meal. For an organic phosphorus
10 bags of blood meal. For an organic nitrogen nutrient
3 bags of bat guano

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What kind of native soil? (sandy, heavy clay, forest compost, 'dirt'?) It makes a difference when recommending someone else follow your 'recipe'.

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Originally Posted by airdawg13

I fed my plants every other watering...
Vegetative growth: Fox Farm Grow Big liquid plant food.
Early flower growth: Fox Farm Tiger Bloom liquid plant food.
Late flower growth: Fox Farm Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom.

Also I would make teas with molasses and other organic nutrients when my plants started to flower.

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Might want to read-up on teas. Especially homemade brews. (e-coli and salmonella come to mind)
Compost Tea Myths

Either you did, or you would...which is it? :wtf:

I can appreciate the effort you've made to help a fellow member, and I'm not trying to pick on you...but you should get your facts straight before posting.

Overall I agree with Rusty, What I have done this year, and also many years ago, is make my holes the year before the plant and mix cow manure/and what ever soil happens to be in the chosen spot and I add a generous dose of lime, next spring there will be no burning, and the plant (in the past, and hopefully next year) will grow like a scared rabbit, and I won't have to do much but water if it gets dry for an extended period of time, and attempt to keep the deer away, of course I determine my spots starting out with defensive spots to be hidden from rogues, and the yearly chopper stampede

Please don't hate. This is my first year growing, and I am still learning as I go. The native soil here is a little bit on the acidic side and has lots of clay.

Just saying that I would be very careful if your using chemical fertilizers and/or manures as your main source of nutrients. I am going off what I have read in books and what other growers have told me. Using chemical fertilizers and/or manures creates a greater chance of burning your plants. I didn't say not to use them, just saying there is less room for error. I have seen what happens when you use too much of a chemical fertilizer or too much of a manure. One of my friends lost half his garden from making too strong of a mix.

With organic fertilizers (excluding manures) it is impossible to burn your plants. For example you cant use too much bone meal in your mix, whereas you can use too much cow manure. Organic ferts are broken down in the soil when the plant needs those nutrients. When using chemical fertilizers the plant is forced to use those nutrients immediately. Organic fertilizers are slower to release the nutrients and chemical fertilizers are released instantly. And Yes, I have heard hundreds of people say that bud taste better when grown 100% organic. Even with a good flush and cure. IMO compost>manure and organic>chemical. We can debate this all day, those are just my 2 cents.