problem with ladies

hey all, never posted here before, so ill try to do it the most PC way possible.

soil grow in black gold and sunshine org mix
hand watered
outdoor in ground
soil ph level - 6.8-7.0
water ph level - 6.8-7.0
water comes from well with a sodium water softener
have fed them some high nitrogen solution (16-0-0) twice in the past month and a half, due to the fact that they started to flower under my peuny flourescent tube lights before going outside. other than that it has mainly been water for them, with a shot of compost tea a few days after they started drooping.
they are now maybe 3 months old and have looked the way they do in pics for maybe a week and a half now. they have been outside since about june 1. at first i thought they were over watered but i havent watered them for almost a week and they still look the way they do. i guess it could be drainage because the soil on two of them is still slightly damp. or maybe they are somehow rootbound in the ground? can that happen? the holes i dug for them are about 1.5' across by 2' deep. am i answering my own questions here? any help or advice would be appreciated. the leaves on the new growth are taco shaped also, with very little to no discoloration.

thanks in advance....they look strong enough to pull through, i think maybe im worrying a bit.

on a side note, they almost tripled in size since going in the ground....seems very fast for a month?

bump bump

is there information im missing here? thought this was a help forum............?? not tryin to be rude but......

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Originally Posted by intelplatoon

bump bump

is there information im missing here? thought this was a help forum............?? not tryin to be rude but......

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Betta, no answer, dan wrong answer, ya.
I think you nailed it with your question, brah.
That is fast growth.
Looks like a transpiration problem, due to heat to me.

Disclaimer:
I'm no kind of expert on outdoor growing.
This is just an observation

The real experts are prolly waitin' for you to find and fill out the troubleshooting sticky.
That, and Sundays are real quiet here.

Aloha,
Weezard

We couldn't ever find anyone to help with the outdoor troubleshooting form.

Sure they wern't preflowers? The calyxs and pistils start showing when they're approaching sexual maturity. Tizn't really a sign of actual flowering.

Are they in-ground, or in pots?

How big was the hole you put 'em in? (would a 5 gallon pot have fit? A 3 gallon...? 10 gallon?)

Is there good drainage? (how long would the hole have taken to drain if filled with water?)

I'm an indoor grower, but it does looks like either overheated roots, or perhaps rootbound. (inadequate water uptake...?) Do you mist the plant at all? Do you foliar feed or use teas? These things may interrupt transpiration as well.

Not sure about salted water outdoors. But salt build-up isn't a good thing. What's wrong with your unsoftened water?

Have you checked the undersides of the leaves for insects?

How about filling out the peat-based soil troubleshooting form, and add these questions and answers. At least it will keep ya busy till an edumicated outdoorsy type stumbles along...

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

We couldn't ever find anyone to help with the outdoor troubleshooting form.

Sure they wern't preflowers? The calyxs and pistils start showing when they're approaching sexual maturity. Tizn't really a sign of actual flowering.

Are they in-ground, or in pots?

How big was the hole you put 'em in? (would a 5 gallon pot have fit? A 3 gallon...? 10 gallon?)

Is there good drainage? (how long would the hole have taken to drain if filled with water?)

I'm an indoor grower, but it does looks like either overheated roots, or perhaps rootbound. (inadequate water uptake...?) Do you mist the plant at all? Do you foliar feed or use teas? These things may interrupt transpiration as well.

Not sure about salted water outdoors. But salt build-up isn't a good thing. What's wrong with your unsoftened water?

Have you checked the undersides of the leaves for insects?

How about filling out the peat-based soil troubleshooting form, and add these questions and answers. At least it will keep ya busy till an edumicated outdoorsy type stumbles along...

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hey thanks for the replys. I couldnt find an outdoor troubleshooting form so i picked an indoor one, and answered all the questions that could apply to outdoor growing. i answered most of the questions that you asked rusty, in my first post.

they are grown in the ground using 15 gallon chicken wire gopher nets, the holes i dug were probably about the size of 20 gallon pots roughly 1.5' across by about 2' down...im not sure about the drainage, as the ground around them is pretty dense, but not at all mud. i did not add any perlite to the soil, but black gold and sunshine both come with a fair amount in it already. as for insects, its just the occasional spider, which gets his home ripped down when i see them, but i dont think they can cause this type of problem.

my thoughts were maybe the canopy got too large too fast and is now covering the soil so that no extra water evaporates, and the roots are not using all the water they are given.....ive let them dry out now for about a week and then fed them a half gallon a piece (i was giving them about a gallon or more before this due to the size of the plants) with a drop of superthrive and some foxfarm grow big.....thanks for the replies. i dont know if anyone can actually help me diagnose this, but an experienced outdoorsman might know what is up.....thanks, and lemme know if i need to give anymore info.

the plants now seem to look a little bit better....still a lot of droop, but a little bit less than before, have been underwatering them a bit, as the soil takes a while to dry out. the bottom leaves are now starting to go yellow and die off? maybe just cause they are old and not getting enough light? any ideas? i think ive posted all the info i need to post in the previous posts, not much has changed with the feeding of them. FF grow big every 3rd watering, and about a gallon of water per plant.....any help appreciated..thanks again