Re-potting just before flower??
Second thread today, but different subject. :thumbsup:
Hello again and thanks in advance for any replies.
I am about to finish my first two trial plants. Those two were my first and were just from a bag seed.
NOW, I also have two clones (a durban poison and a G13XAfgani) that I've been vegging since January 10th. Both were or have been root bound for a period of that time. The DP is now ALMOST root bound into a 4 gallon pot. The G13xafgani IS, and has been, root bound in a 5 gallon pot for well over a month. I left it/ them root bound and in veg for so long to allow me to finish my trial grow before flowering these.
So, I'm about to do some flower room upgrades. Such as white tile, re-painting the walls a fresh flat white, and adding a fan controller to keep temps right. After that, I plant to flower these two! :thumbsup:
Question is, do I want to re-pot into Fox Farms ocean again? Just before flowering?? Seams this soil is a bit rich in the Nitrates and such FOR flowering. Would it not be better to repot into a soil lacking in vegging nutes? Then I will start the flowering nutes with my watering scedule.
Am I correct in this? Is there a soil made just FOR this? Might seedling soil work?
Any ideas or answers would be great!
Pics 1,2 are the clones on the day purchased and freshly potted.
Pics 3,4 are last week-ish (3 is G13xafgani, 4 is DP)
Re-potting just before flower??
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Originally Posted by Vancefish
Question is, do I want to re-pot into Fox Farms ocean again? Just before flowering?? Seams this soil is a bit rich in the Nitrates and such FOR flowering.
Yes, it is what I do. For the first 40% of flower (roughly), your baby will elongate or stretch; this requires nitrogen. If you repot with more ocean's forest, it should feed just long enough to get you through that stretch period. Most of the nitrogen should be gone by mid flowering.
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Re-potting just before flower??
excellent! :thumbsup: Thank you very much. I'd thought about that too. Just not sure which would be better.
Re-potting just before flower??
I try to get the first two weeks in the flower room before repotting, trying to keep buffers in a 4-6 week schedule. Have not had any stress issues with this method as yet, 3 months of trial now.
Re-potting just before flower??
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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
I try to get the first two weeks in the flower room before repotting, trying to keep buffers in a 4-6 week schedule. Have not had any stress issues with this method as yet, 3 months of trial now.
I've been using this method for a while now. (over a year) The potting soil I use is called Filthy Rich by Dr. Q. The name fits, and can be a bit difficult for rooting clones and germinating seeds, but no problems for the remainder of the grow. It's kinda like Ocean Forest, but different organics. It's all good though.
Don't know which nutrients you use, but the Fox Farms feeding schedule includes adding a couple of weeks of growth nutes, a couple of weeks into flower. Fox Farms weekly feeding schedule - Soil
Transplanting two weeks in jives with this schedule. Perhaps a bit longer lasting than the normal nutrients, and it will keep your ladies deeper green through most of flowering, and might add a couple of inches to the PMS, (pre motherhood stretch...happens just after switching to 12/12) but has never affected quality or taste overall. I flush monthly to release salt build-up and remove excess nutrients on the first of every month.
Having problems keeping her hydrated...?
Re-potting just before flower??
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Having problems keeping her hydrated...?
Yes. :D The root binding and older soil IS having trouble holding water. However neither plant will be staying in these pots much longer (I get paid tomorrow).
So, I'd prefer to re-pot, BEFORE I put them into flower. They are root bound, or really close in these 4,5 gallon pots. I plan to do a little SCROG on them too.
What I'd like to do is re-pot them into say eight gallon pots, move them into the flower room, SCRog them (to level the tops as much as possible), then trim out all the small undergrowth, then veg them for a week before flowering to recover from all of that.
Tell me what you think.
Re-potting just before flower??
If they need it, they need it. Twas the reason for the hydration question. To some folks the ball looks rootbound, but can still hold a gallon of water. Extreme rootbound won't hold much water, and most of it ends up in the drip tray. (in case someone else is curious)
As long as you have the headroom, and add some extra perlite, 8 gal pots should be fine. Especially if in 4's and 5's already. :thumbsup:
(what lights are you using for flowering?)
Roots will keep forming, and rootbound issues may well return. Ph of the peat-based medium will dive as the buffers fade. But it's up to you. Are you afraid of the rich medium?
Re-potting just before flower??
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
If they need it, they need it. Twas the reason for the hydration question. To some folks the ball looks rootbound, but can still hold a gallon of water. Extreme rootbound won't hold much water, and most of it ends up in the drip tray. (in case someone else is curious)
yea, two quarts and it runs out the bottom on both.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
As long as you have the headroom, and add some extra perlite, 8 gal pots should be fine. Especially if in 4's and 5's already. :thumbsup:
(what lights are you using for flowering?)
I currently have a single 1000w switchable, running a Magnalume HPS. However I've been thinking about buying either a MH, or duel arc for some veg time after the SCRoging. Then switching back to just the HPS once I flower.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Roots will keep forming, and rootbound issues may well return. Ph of the peat-based medium will dive as the buffers fade. But it's up to you. Are you afraid of the rich medium?
No not afraid. Just still learning, and was a thought. I'd rather ask then just try. Most likely someone here already knows. Like you for example.:D
You also advised me when my "trial" plants became root bound at around 4-5 weeks of flower. However I re-potted them 3-4 weeks before I flowered. Not knowing this would become an issue at the time. Then they root bound at about half way through. I just re-potted those into the same pot, but higher with more soil all around, and under them. They obviously survived. But could have been better.
Now I just want to make sure I do the next ones (real strains), correctly.
BTW, I used watered down B.C. hydro nutes (about 1/6th full strength) on the first two. I'm now using molasses in place of the Sugar daddy too.
I COULD switch nutes soon as well. I've got about half the flowering nutes from the Recipe for success kit left. It won't be enough to get through an entire flowering though. Plus I'm not against trying other things that are "proven" methods.
Re-potting just before flower??
Just making sure you have adequate lighting for an 8 gallon grow.
Always better safe than sorry, ask if you have questions.
Good idea not to change nutes late-flower. Each company has their own blend of nutes, micro's, ph levels...
Each growroom and situation is a slight bit differfent, but it sounds like you're headed in the right direction. :thumbsup:
Re-potting just before flower??
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Just making sure you have adequate lighting for an 8 gallon grow.
Always better safe than sorry, ask if you have questions.
Good idea not to change nutes late-flower. Each company has their own blend of nutes, micro's, ph levels...
Each growroom and situation is a slight bit different, but it sounds like you're headed in the right direction. :thumbsup:
Headed in the right direction is all I can do. :D Cash is always tight and I've spent nearly ALL my extra cash over the last few months on this. If I had a ton of cash on hand suddenly, I'd have to speed down that direction.:thumbsup:
I have a few Sativa loving friend who may donate soon, (who are all patients). However, I'll have to provide some "samples" of my first grow to compensate for the donation. ;)
We'll call it an investment. :cool:
Plan is to add another 1000w to the 6.5' X 9.8' x 7' tall room, when I can afford it.
