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It is urgent that people in Europe start to think of new stretagies to make our governments legalize not only pot but ALL drugs.
It is urgent.
I created this topic so we can discuss what are the most effective ways to force those pigs to be truthful to the societies they are leading.
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I doubt a bunch of potheads marching to each government's meeting place would somehow work. In fact I think that would probably manage to do the opposite if we demanded all drugs be legalised.
I mean imagine the spectacle...
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30-50 (if that) potheads shouting "We want ALL drugs legalised, don't exclude, give heroin, crack and meth out to the common people."
We would be on the front page of every tabloid being told to our faces the following morning how stupid we are.
NB: Why is it so urgent, ran out of heroin? Also I don't think urgency is going to help matters here, I don't think we're going to be able to legalise ALL drugs any time soon.
Somehow I don't think asking heroin, crack, meth to be sold in the local tabacconist will work.
I agree that a bunch of smokers dress up like clowns in pants that are 20-30 sizes too big, won't do much to get marijuana legal, especially since of bunch of fucking arabs with rags wrapped around their heads and their faces covered like the pussies they are just took a contracter hostage, holding him at gunpoint, and are most likely going to kill with some sort of dull rusty power tool like a band saw or drill.
dude, legalizing all drugs is the worst idea i heard. wake up man: most drugs are highly damageable for health, and especially mental health. do u want a society with druggies ans psychiatric problems, with ppl doin badtrips in the streets. yo man cmon
legalizing everything is stupid. Just weed :D
Legalize them all! We already have those types of people, legalizing them all would help alot more than it would hurt. Just because they'd be legal doesn't mean everyone would be trippin in the streets, get real. Also you would have less children on drugs, because now they can get them at school, but with the drugs are in the hands of legitmate buissiness it would make it harder for them to get. Not to mention, most organized crime would lose its funding, and cease to exist. Plus we wouldn't be waisting tax money keepin non violent criminals in prison.
Seriously, I think it would be a REALLY bad idea to legalise all drugs - I mean humanity is irresponsible by nature. Also introducting heroin/crack etc. into tobacconists would allow more of it to be accessable to the public.
Consider:
David comes in to school: "Hey guys my dad and mum were doing this drug they bought in the local shop last night [lets say heroin], I took some, dudes, it was the most amazing thing I've ever done! I mean if mum and dad are doing it can't be that bad can it?"
In the kid's psychology his parents are both doing it, so why shouldn't he? Let's not go into educating children that it's bad to take this kind of drugs - because that would result in their COMPLETE distrust in the system if over 18's are able to get it.
And there you have it; a couple of people in David's year follow suit, bearing mind that it would be VERY easy to get your hands on heroin if it was sold in shops, and there you go - youve got a lot of people addicted to heroin.
And don't tell me that it's harder to get if its regulated - tobacco is regulated - and look how many kids smoke, i daresay half you use tobacco in your joints and your not 16/18 (depending on the country). Also you'd probably see a lot of dealing to kids, who simply buy from the local shop and resell to children.
And PLEASE: lets not go into the effectiveness of health warnings here, people - Imagine "Warning Heroin/crack/meth etc. may be harmful to your mental and physcial health - only over 18's should do this drug" . AS IF kids are going to listen to that when cigerettes are more harmful and they STILL don't, including adults + these drugs are some of the mose pleasurable experiences known to man, pretty tempting for a kid to ignore those warning - tobacco isnt.
However: I am FULLY for the legalisation of Cannabis, shrooms and a few others.
Theres a difference between occasional use and addiction, let the fools kill them selves with addiction, give me liberty or give me death. I'm sure parents would naturally keep the drugs they use away from there children(I'm thinkin like a drug cabinet, you know like a gun cabinet with drugs instead) knowing full well the possibility of addiction for the imature, besides kiddies dont look up to mommies and daddies, they look up to rock stars and rap stars, many of which are already on drugs. Alot of kids are already afraid of drugs due in part to the constant horror stories we tell about them. I dont think changing the supplier is gonna change that. As for regulations, i think there would be far stiffer regulations on hard drugs if they were legal.
Though baring the legalization, i would try an go for decriminalizatioin of all drugs, sorta like in the Netherlands, they often have treatment programs rather than jail time.
I've never really heard of 'occasional' use of heroin or crack. I don't think it is possible to control a heroin addiction without medical attention. But I'm not a doctor even though I think I'm smarter than many pre-med students.
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dude, legalizing all drugs is the worst idea i heard. wake up man: most drugs are highly damageable for health, and especially mental health. do u want a society with druggies ans psychiatric problems, with ppl doin badtrips in the streets. yo man cmon
It reeeeallllyy pisses me off when people who smoke weed think that "most drugs are highly damaging to your health", this is one of the most hypocritical statements a stoner can make. Basically, you're willing to admit what the government and media tell you about marijuana is bullshit and yet you swallow all the other bullshit the government shoves down your throat about other drugs.
Now don't get me wrong, if you only smoke cannabis and do no other drugs good for you but i've done plenty of drugs and realize the line seperating 'hard' drugs from 'soft' drugs is non-existant. Drugs are what they are, they all have risks and many of them have benefits when used responsibly.
You speak of cocaine and heroin, well newsflash they and other drugs can be used occassionally. No drugs are inherently evil and many that you probably think cause physical harm do not.
Heroin for example does no physical harm to the body, a person could use the drug everyday and live just as long as they would have. The problem with drugs, especially the addictive ones is that they are illegal. Many social ills blamed directly on drugs and drug users are in fact the result of drug laws.
Drug laws obviously don't prevent drug use, they only worsen the situation. Street drugs such as cocaine and heroin are black market substances, there is no way to be sure how pure your bag of dope is or what other substances are present. When you here people talk of collapsed veins and gangrene from injecting heroin, it is actually from the talc powder and other shit the heroin was cut with.
Legalizing all drugs would keep all drugs out of the hands of children and teens who are most likely to try them in the first place. Drug dealers don't check ID and it has always been easier for me to get weed, crack and ecstasy than alcohol.
It is also important to note that nicotine is just as addictive as cocaine and heroin.
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In fact, a sizeable percentage of heroin users consume only occasionally, without becomming heavy users (Zinber 1979), and measurable withdrawal symptoms from opioids rarely occur until after serveral weeks of regular administration (Jaffee 1991: 67).
Further evidence that addiction is far less important than typical portrayals come from the experience of returning vietnam veterans. Robins, Davis, and Nurco (1974) report interviews of veterans eight to twelve months after their return from vietnam. They find that most addicted veterans gave up their narcotic use voluntarily before departure or after a short, forced treatment period at departure. In subsequent work, Robins et al. (1980) find that although most veterans had access to cheap heroin in vietnam, only about 35 percent tried it and only about 19% became addicted. They also conclude that heroin use does not consistently lead to daily use and addiction, that addiction frequently ceases without treatment, that maintaining recovery from heroin addiction does not require abstention, and that the reason for high levels of social disability among heroin users is likely attributed to characteristics of the users rather than to heroin users per say.
Both quotes taken from Jeffrey Mirons Drug War Crimes: The consequences of prohibition.Quote:
"One possible measure of addictiveness is the degree to which use continues after initial experimentation. High continued use rates do not necessarily suggest addiction; if people who consume a good find they like it and therefore consume it frequently, the continued use rate is high even if there is no addiction. But addiction does not imply high continued use rate, and this has been used frequently as a measure of addiction.
The fact that continued use rates for marijuana, which is not regarded as physically addictive, are similar to those for crack, which is regarded as highly addictive, also challenges the more extreme claims about addictiveness of drugs. Likewise, the continued use rates for other legal goods (e.g., chocolate, caffeine) are perhaps even higher.
In this book the modern War on Drugs is compared to the Prohibition of alcohol in the early 1900s.
When drug law enforcement expenditure increases, so does the homicide rate.