To many co-ops in Los Angeles
Do people realize how much of a fuck you Prop 215 is to the forces that run this country, or should I say the forces that are running it into the ground. Cannabis is bottom up economics it is not top down... It goes against forms of economic control because like many street drugs,â? Aka, Drugs able to be made by us, Vs Big Companiesâ?, they hold a real market value. They in them selves are almost currency. One will find that it is very easy to trade these things for real world objects such as cars, a T.V. or what ever they have a solid value which is very interesting. Rumor has it that in Iran Contra large amounts of Coke was part of the trade.
I digress.
The people CA stood up and faced the guns of the DEA, and all the forces the U.S. Government could muster and said screw this hypocritical position on a weed that makes some people feel better, and could be a major growth business for you everyday Joe. Now it seams the forces of profit are taking that over. And that everyday Joe is going to kill his or her chances by being to greedy. For it to work I think people should keep to the spirit of the law. I am not sure how many co-ops are in ten blocks of me but two of the five I have been to I feel are keeping with that spirit. The other three feel like a bunch of stoners trying to turn a buck. I have nothing against stoners, one may say I am one at heart but I try to use some thoughtfulness when approaching sensitive issues. I would love to see hash bars and things such as that, but I feel that the approach that CA has taken is from a medical stand point and by doing so it is forcing the U.S. Government to have to answer many larger questions of its governance. Questions about the war on drugs, questions about prisons, questions about big pharma lobbies which brings all lobbies into question at this stage in the game shouldnâ??t the co-opâ??s go hand in hand with some form of activism... Just my thoughts.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
your a socialist in a capitalist society
capitalism is communism by money not heredity
the prob is not with the government its the money grubbing f'ers in the banks that OWN the govt.
i think the major money flow in california is from marijuana, its kinda like underground currency especially after the economy slowed,
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by phatsesh101
your a socialist in a capitalist society
capitalism is communism by money not heredity
the prob is not with the government its the money grubbing f'ers in the banks that OWN the govt.
i think the major money flow in california is from marijuana, its kinda like underground currency especially after the economy slowed,
socialist, perhaps... But I also think that people can make a great deal of money in a world were we are doing something positive, and not eating into our own future.
Many years ago while living in Princeton NJ I was invited to a party. A guy on the block had just come back from a trip to pick up his Nobel Prize cool party. This crazy old guy was John Nash... "Beautiful Mind" What does any of this have to do with weed. Well, Nash equilibrium and Game Theory which is a very complex, yet simple way of modeling and looking at the way people think while in competition. I don't think the people who run the show are capitalist, they are game theorist, and they play antagonistically, forming unseen social cartels of like minded people in power, to not only stay in power, but to expand it... To me idea of endless expansion is wrong from a point of pure math. Nothing can expand forever. And this is also wrong in the crazy growth of co-ops in Los Angeles it is screaming crack down, which hurts the over all desire to change the laws and ideas in the country.
I totally agree about the banks, it is not the government, it is those who hijacked it from the people... That is a sad thing to think about the truth of that. And yes in a slowed economy it is an underground currency.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by mendelsdream
Nothing can expand forever. And this is also wrong in the crazy growth of co-ops in Los Angeles it is screaming crack down,
well i guess this is seems to be an important point for you. And in all fairness, if CA is taking such a bold stand for MJ and protecting it for it's "medicinal purposes" than Co-ops SHOULD be doing SOMETHING on the research/development forefront in this possible calamity. Because it would be an absolute shame to be overproducing(basically producing or growing exclusively, with no other purpose than to produce) legal cannabis in co-op's that seems to care more for the money than the thought of being a part in a "new" leading-edge medical drug. and for that, it needs faces behind it that say, "weed, its a drug, yeah, and i unique one, but we are doing this to, one day, know MUCH more about it and know MUCH more on how to utilize it".
it is not the doctors that are giving strict prescriptions so maybe this is the co-ops duty to play more of a doctor roll.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
bottom line...weed in general..i see no future "crackdown" of any kind.
I think at any point leading up to and after Obama things have just gotten way to accepted for CA to actually start getting the boot again by the DEA.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by dmahny88
bottom line...weed in general..i see no future "crackdown" of any kind.
I think at any point leading up to and after Obama things have just gotten way to accepted for CA to actually start getting the boot again by the DEA.
It won't come from the DEA, it will come from zoning laws, health codes, and other things that make it harder for the everyday person to start a business. Allowing larger companies to step in to control and eat up everyone. That is how I see it happening. Not destroyed but assimilated, because a small number of people have beat the system and made something very profitable, and as the focus shifts from a small groups of people who are fighting for unprofitable ideas like patients rights, sick people, and other not so profit friendly ideas, to the super slick high end pot boutiques that are on CNN. Much will be lost because the standard has changed, and once the cat is out of the bag you can't put it back in.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by dmahny88
well i guess this is seems to be an important point for you. And in all fairness, if CA is taking such a bold stand for MJ and protecting it for it's "medicinal purposes" than Co-ops SHOULD be doing SOMETHING on the research/development forefront in this possible calamity. Because it would be an absolute shame to be overproducing(basically producing or growing exclusively, with no other purpose than to produce) legal cannabis in co-op's that seems to care more for the money than the thought of being a part in a "new" leading-edge medical drug. and for that, it needs faces behind it that say, "weed, its a drug, yeah, and i unique one, but we are doing this to, one day, know MUCH more about it and know MUCH more on how to utilize it".
it is not the doctors that are giving strict prescriptions so maybe this is the co-ops duty to play more of a doctor roll.
I do think research is very important all my thoughts about this has brought me to starting a not for profit collective that will focus on providing free cannabis to those that can not afford it, and are to sick to grow their own. People with cancer and things such as that. Part of what we are going to do is a great deal of research on many aspects of cannabis and Cannabinoids. But we don't want this to be like any other drug. It is very different it is something that any person can grow. You don't need a billion dollar chemical plant, share prices, ceoâ??s even the FDA the FDA is a joke, you donâ??t need any of it if worked from the proper angle. Very sick people are the most captive market group that the big drug companies have taken advantage of and by doing so they have also swamped our medical system. To me it has to go another route than cannabis is a drug, the entire idea of drugs needs to be reframed for a modern world and perhaps a new word needs to enter our lexicon...
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by mendelsdream
Do people realize how much of a fuck you Prop 215 is to the forces that run this country, or should I say the forces that are running it into the ground. Cannabis is bottom up economics it is not top down... It goes against forms of economic control because like many street drugs,â? Aka, Drugs able to be made by us, Vs Big Companiesâ?, they hold a real market value. They in them selves are almost currency. One will find that it is very easy to trade these things for real world objects such as cars, a T.V. or what ever they have a solid value which is very interesting. Rumor has it that in Iran Contra large amounts of Coke was part of the trade.
I digress.
The people CA stood up and faced the guns of the DEA, and all the forces the U.S. Government could muster and said screw this hypocritical position on a weed that makes some people feel better, and could be a major growth business for you everyday Joe. Now it seams the forces of profit are taking that over. And that everyday Joe is going to kill his or her chances by being to greedy. For it to work I think people should keep to the spirit of the law. I am not sure how many co-ops are in ten blocks of me but two of the five I have been to I feel are keeping with that spirit. The other three feel like a bunch of stoners trying to turn a buck. I have nothing against stoners, one may say I am one at heart but I try to use some thoughtfulness when approaching sensitive issues. I would love to see hash bars and things such as that, but I feel that the approach that CA has taken is from a medical stand point and by doing so it is forcing the U.S. Government to have to answer many larger questions of its governance. Questions about the war on drugs, questions about prisons, questions about big pharma lobbies which brings all lobbies into question at this stage in the game shouldnâ??t the co-opâ??s go hand in hand with some form of activism... Just my thoughts.
What California did was epic to say the least ... with proper leadership and organization now, maybe forum one mother coalition that places key politicians in key positions .. once banned together and united as a whole, that mother coalition could be Californias Med Providers saving grace .. It takes voters and MONEY to get the right elected officials in the right chairs. Big marches and large groupings at the park are great for networking and shit like that... but we have to take the fight to the inside, and that's going to take a huge organization of folks working on the same page together with the same interest in mind.
I'm not so sure Dispensary owners have to have a degree in Business Ethics, or even take some kind of Human Compassion test , all that is acquired is that they do provide the services required on the business license, if you don't like the personal (or lack there of) treatment of one such store.. guess what... don't do business with them, and if enough feel the same way.. they won't be around for long, pretty simple .. if you don't like the asking donation price.. same applies. All that will get worked out among ourselves over time .. right now, lets all keep fighting the good fight, and show the great state of California that we did the right thing by passing prop 215 and SB 420, and we are willing to fight SMART and keep our right(s) by electing only those that have our best interests at hand.
To many co-ops in Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by mendelsdream
It won't come from the DEA, it will come from zoning laws, health codes, and other things that make it harder for the everyday person to start a business. Allowing larger companies to step in to control and eat up everyone. That is how I see it happening. Not destroyed but assimilated, because a small number of people have beat the system and made something very profitable, and as the focus shifts from a small groups of people who are fighting for unprofitable ideas like patients rights, sick people, and other not so profit friendly ideas, to the super slick high end pot boutiques that are on CNN. Much will be lost because the standard has changed, and once the cat is out of the bag you can't put it back in.
Thats why the vendors of this state are getting together to make a new prop.?? Yea one to take the state out of the union and make it the CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC again? it whould be the seventh richest country in the world and all veggies in the states if they give us shit will go to ten dollars a onion. We win and ALL these fake leaders get canned in one day or hung?
