Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
Infowars.com | March 23, 2005
Seargent Matthew Tartaglia was a fit, strapping man who climbed telephone polls for a living in 2001. After September 11th, he stepped up to help his fellow Americans by joining the all-volunteer United States Search and Rescue Task Force as a counselor and debriefer. He provided much needed psychological relief to the rescue workers at Ground Zero who came face to face each day with the horror of the 911 tragedy, sifting through rubble to locate dead bodies. For his efforts he was given two Gubernatorial Awards.
Since his time working at Ground Zero however, Tartaglia has become incredibly ill like many others who worked at the site. As a counselor set with the task of talking to countless distraugt rescue workers, he could not wear a respirator mask to protect him from what he fears was exposure to arsenic gas. At age 32, Tartaglia has already suffered two heart attacks, has had many of his teeth fall out, and has had a variety of respiratory problems.
He recalls the Ground Zero conditions:
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It was working in these toxic conditions that Seargent Tartaglia believes led to the demise of his team leader who died in January following their time at Ground Zero.
Now in constant physical pain, Tartaglia is laboring to create an organized 9/11 Fund to help those who answered the call of duty after September 11th but have been thus far completely ignored by the government. His hope is that the organization could arrange for yearly check-ups for Ground Zero workers, ensure communication with their personal care physicians, and offer psychological counselling.
Despite public outcries, the Federal Government continues to deny any environmental problems exist as a result of September 11th. No medical help or medical reimbursement is offered to Ground Zero Rescue Workers.
Mr. Tartaglia feels that the EPA's position on the toxic conditions at Ground Zero isn't the only lie the government is telling and "would be amazed if the information that he's seen and what he's just walked through was anything other than an implosion...no way that was the result of the airliner."
Anger builds over EPA??s 9/11 report
Charges of a cover-up hit nerve with New Yorkers
MSNBC | Sept. 11, 2003
By Francesca Lyman
Two years after the World Trade Center attacks, New Yorkers say they??re outraged by reports that the White House influenced the Environmental Protection Agency to downplay hazards posed by the toxic dust that fell in an avalanche over the city. The EPA??s acting chief defends the agency??s actions after the attacks, saying it hopes to be better prepared for ??the next time.?
??I pray to God that, as a country, in the event of another terrorist attack, God forbid, we as an agency would be equipped to get the data analyzed and posted to the public,? EPA Acting Administrator Marianne Horinko told MSNBC in an exclusive interview. ??All that was a huge challenge to us on 9/11 ?? coordinating communication among agencies, following incident command. God forbid there is a dirty bomb. I hope everyone knows their battle stations.?
In the early days and weeks of the World Trade Center disaster, says Horinko, there was such chaos that mistakes were inevitably made.
??Did we rush out (too soon) with data? On balance, I think we used our best professional judgment in an atmosphere where people were clamoring for answers.? But the agency wasn??t trying to deceive the public, she claims.
However, a report by the EPA??s Office of the Inspector General released on Aug. 21 states, among other criticisms, that the White House reviewed and even changed EPA statements about public health risks to make them sound less alarming. The report charges that the White House Council on Environmental Quality influenced ??the information EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones.? The report cites ??reopening Wall Street? and ??national security? as reasons for the spin.
??We were all lied to??
The EPA presented ??an overriding message that there was no significant threat to human health? even though there was cause for caution, it concluded.
??When EPA made a September 18 announcement that the air was ??safe?? to breathe, it did not have sufficient data and analyses to make such a blanket statement,? said the OIG, adding that the agency was missing data on other pollutants, such as particulates and chemicals like PCBs. In addition, 25 percent of dust samples contained asbestos, a potent carcinogen.
Yes, Horinko admits, the EPA did find asbestos in the dust samples. ??But the vast majority of the samples we took did not contain it,? she says.
Asked about why people are still suffering ill effects, Horinko said she can understand that rescue workers would still be affected but finds residents?? continued complaints to be ??mystifying.?
Even though the the building collapses caused the highest particulate count in the city??s history, the tragic event violated no pollution standards. That??s because the air quality regulations were set up to measure particulate matter loadings over 24-hour periods rather than intense, short-term bursts.
That is cold comfort to many New Yorkers, particularly those still suffering health effects from exposure to the dust.
Kim Todd, an acting coach who lives in lower Manhattan just two blocks from the former World Trade Center, says she??s angry. ??I might not have stayed down here ?? with dust on me for days ?? had I known of the dangers,? she says. ??We were all lied to, and I??m afraid everybody is going to be seriously sick.?
Some fear that ??WTC cough,? sinus problems, headaches and other ailments that Todd and others continue to experience, were worsened by government officials more willing to return the city to normalcy and open the Stock Market than protect public health. Doctors, too, worry the event could spur a rash of asbestosis, cancer and other long-term diseases in the future.
Many workers still sick
??For me, it??s very scary. We lost another firefighter, and that makes one in New York and two volunteers who have died of pneumonia. My lungs are totally shot, and I??m afraid that??s what many of us are going to die of,? says Vincent Forras, a volunteer firefighter who answered the call for help, driving down from South Salem, N.Y., to Ground Zero that clear, blue-skied morning on Sept. 11.
Forras and thousands of other rescue workers on ??the pile,? who were largely unprotected in those first hours and days, are still sick. Workers got little more than paper masks, if that, and there weren??t enough respirators to go round, recalls Forras, who still suffers severe headaches and ailments stemming from sinus surgery. ??It took at least two weeks to get properly equipped. By then we were pretty well cooked.?
??There was a lot of finger-pointing about who was in charge,? says Joel Shufro, director of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health. ??But in the confusion between EPA and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the city Health Department, laws weren??t enforced.?
Workers have to bear some of the blame, says Horinko. ??Many did not wear professional gear despite our best efforts.?
But, Forras says, even Mayor Rudolph Guiliani appeared to believe the EPA??s statement and went so far as to stand next to then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman and announce that the air was safe.
??When you have someone of the caliber of Mayor Guiliani saying it, they took that as gospel,? says Forras.
Not all New Yorkers believed that the smells wafting up from the smoldering remains of the two 110-story office towers were as benign as official pronouncements.
??How could something as huge as the World Trade Centers with all their contents ?? computers, fluorescent lights, plastic chairs, everything ?? just disappear?? says Todd. ??They had to go somewhere.?
Workers at Ground Zero got much higher doses of dust and fumes than residents, says Dr. Robin Herbert, a physician and researcher at Mt. Sinai Hospital who worked on a program that screened and treated rescue workers and volunteers at the site. A year after the attacks, half of the program??s patients ?? some 7,000 firefighters, police officers and other volunteers ?? were still sick. While the final count is not in, says Herbert, ??a substantial percent continue to have persistent upper and lower respiratory symptomatology ?? coughs and sinus problems.?
Toxins may linger
Two years after Sept. 11, some downtown New Yorkers are still concerned about the potential toxicity of lingering dust in indoor areas, says Jenna Orkin, of 9/11 Environmental Action, a group formed to address issues many felt literally slipped through the cracks after the disaster when the EPA turned indoor air issues over to the city Department of Health.
After Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) held hearings on the health hazards triggered by the terror attacks, the EPA and city launched a program to clean up people??s apartments, ultimately cleaning more than 4,000 apartments in lower Manhattan. But that program left out the cleanup of schools, offices, workplaces, shops and businesses ?? and that??s only the beginning of how ??wholly inadequate? the program was, Nadler told MSNBC.
??The program was limited to an area south of Canal Street, as though there were a Star Trek force field blocking out the rest of Manhattan and other places, like Brooklyn, where we know the toxic plume traveled,? says Nadler.
The EPA tested and cleaned individual apartments only when people asked, and generally left out central air systems and common areas. ??How can you clean one apartment, and not the one next to it?? Nadler asks.
Apartments were tested for only one pollutant: asbestos. The testing method used excluded active testing, which uses a fan to kick up the pollutants lurking in carpets, drapes and corners, unless applicants opted for the most aggressive cleanup, which prohibited the resident from being present (and, some say, discouraged many people from signing up).
Jo Polett, who lives 6 blocks from the trade center site, however, insisted on supervising her job, and made the contractor turn on the ??active? test fan when he didn??t even know to. With effort, she learned that her apartment was contaminated with heavy metals, such as antimony and lead (with the lead reading five times the EPA??s standard). Had she opted for ??testing only? ?? which tested only asbestos ?? she might never have found that out.
Polett, who speaks softly with her new whispery voice, blames her respiratory problems on the toxic dust trapped in her building??s ventilation system. Yet, because there was no visible dust in her apartment, she never suspected a problem until several months after the disaster. Too late, her home was judged ??uninhabitable? by FEMA, she said. ??I??m frightened by what other people might also be living with,? says Polett.
In a press conference, Nadler also release a memo by EPA scientist Cate Jenkins, a veteran of the Hazardous Waste division, saying that even the most rigorous EPA-led efforts have failed to clean up downtown buildings to federal levels for asbestos and silica, another carcinogen that, she says, could be implicated in ??WTC cough.?
Jenkins?? memo states that a building at 114 Liberty Street still has visible dust. She has said that the EPA tested its own offices downtown with more stringent methods. The city Department of Environmental Protection did not return calls regarding its joint cleanups with the EPA, but Jordan Bailowitz in Mayor Michael Bloomberg??s office said, ??The city is not responsible for oversight of what EPA had done to clean up apartments.?
New cleaning efforts urged
Siding with Nadler on this issue, the OIG has urged the EPA to re-launch a new systematic program to make sure the agency??s apartment cleaning does reduce residents?? exposure to indoor pollutants. The OIG notes that in this case, as in future terrorist events, the EPA is tasked under a 1998 Presidential Decision Directive ??with the leadership role in cleaning up buildings and other sites contaminated by chemical or biological agents as a result of terrorism.?
But the EPA??s Horinko doesn??t think that??s necessary. ??We stand by the job we managed in testing and cleaning up people??s apartments,? she says.
It??s too soon to say if the World Trade Center attack will have long-term health effects on New York residents, says the OIG report, although there are troubling signs. Pregnant women exposed to air pollution from the World Trade Center attacks, according to a preliminary study released in August 2003, face double the risk of delivering babies up to a half-pound smaller than babies born to women not exposed.
Doctors are still treating patients with post 9-11 respiratory problems, says Neal Schachter, a pulmonologist at Mt. Sinai. During the first year, he saw perhaps 15 percent more such patients, but that??s tapering off to between 5 percent to 10 percent more now.
??But I still get a steady stream of patients, including new ones,? he says.
Schachter also worries about the long-term consequences of the pollution that we have yet to see. ??With asbestos, as well as other carcinogens, we??re dealing with silent culprits, that have yet to wind up scarring lungs or causing cancer,? he adds.
For some, the OIG report shook their confidence in government. ??Accurate and timely information from government is a cornerstone of good public health,? says Mt. Sinai??s Herbert. ??By deleting good information to the public ?? people in their apartments, people on the pile ?? we lost opportunities for disease prevention.?
Strategic Omissions: The Truth Behind the Health Effects After 9/11
GNN | March 11, 2005
STRATEGIC OMISSIONS investigates impact of 9/11 on the health of rescue workers and lower Manhattan residents and unearths the political cover-up of the findings of the Environmental Protection Agency. The collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center released 2,358 toxins into the air. Most prevalent among those were: asbestos, lead, mercury, dioxins and furans, diesel fuel and oils, benzene and other volatile organic compounds. These toxins are known to cause asthma and upper respiratory allergies and those exposed to them are at heightened risk for numerous cancers. There are 1,700 pending law suits against New York City as a result of exposure; most come from the NYPD and FDNY as a result of working at Ground Zero. STRATEGIC OMISSIONS gives a voice to those heroes of 9/11 who are now sick, due to their exposure to harmful chemicals during the rescue efforts. Heroes whose own government, so quick to invoke their image of bravery and selflessness for their own gain in this all-important election year, has turned its back on the devastating health problems these policemen and women, firefighters and rescue workers now face. STRATEGIC OMISSIONS looks for the truth behind the National Security Council??s manipulation of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports, as pressured to do so by the Bush Administration. The White House, seemingly worried about the economic impact of a delay in reopening Wall Street, pressured the EPA to mislead the public by issuing a statement that the air was safe in the downtown area, giving a false sense of security to rescue workers and those living and working there.
14 Search Dogs From Ground Zero Have Died Since 9/11
Associated Press | August 22, 2004
New York -- Fourteen search and rescue dogs who dug through the rubble of the World Trade Center have since died.
Eight of the dogs died from cancer.
Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine say they don't believe there is a connection between the deaths and the chemicals the dogs were exposed to.
But the New York Daily News says some dog owners blame the mix of chemicals their dogs were exposed to during the hunt for survivors and remains after the attack on September eleventh, 2001.
And the lead author of the study says the surviving dogs will need to be monitored for the rest of their lives. Doctor Cynthia Otto says if they begin to have health problems, there is a good chance that people who worked to clear the site could have problems as well.
Air Pollution & Deception at Ground Zero
How Our Government Allowed Hundreds of Civilians to Breathe Contaminated Air After 9/11
Sierra Club | August 21, 2004
Many people in New York City are sick today because of exposure to the pollution from the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center - not 10 people, not 50 people, but many hundreds of people. Some suffer from shortness of breath, chronic coughing and throat irritation, and some suffer from gastroesophogeal reflux disease.
Many are so debilitated by their physical conditions that they no longer can do their jobs, and most of them can no longer enjoy life as they used to. It is possible that many more will become ill in the coming years. People worry about cancer, weakened immunity, and reproductive effects, and many experts fear that some of these worries may well be justified. No one knows what tomorrow will bring for this exposed population.
Much of the exposure that caused these illnesses, sadly, could have been avoided if our federal government had responded to the crisis of the terrorist attack with proper concern for the people exposed. On August 21, 2003, the Inspector General for the federal Environmental Protection Agency ("EPA") released a disturbing165-page report documenting the fact that the White House Council on Environmental Quality blocked health risk information that EPA wanted to release to the public following the September 11, 2001 attack. That, however, is only part of the story.
This report picks up where the EPA Inspector General's report left off. It identifies how not only EPA but also the Federal Emergency Management Agency ("FEMA") and the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration ("OSHA") failed the Ground Zero community, misinforming them about hazards and failing to take proper action to prevent exposures. It explains how the "know-nothing" tone of the federal government in this emergency had disastrous consequences for the people who serve on the "front line" of terror response. While news stories emerged as early as October 2001 about firefighters suffering from something called "World Trade Center Cough," most people outside New York are unaware of the wide range of workers and community people who have been afflicted by Ground Zero pollution. This report describes these people, their unmet needs and some continuing exposure risks.
This report documents why the federal government's failures cannot be excused by ignorance, surprise or emergency conditions, or by blaming workers who didn't wear protective masks. It warns that the Bush administration intends to make some of these failures into standard procedure for national emergencies. Finally, it recommends specific steps that the federal administration must take to change course, limit the harm from its failed approach to Ground Zero pollution, and promote better safety for the public in future national emergencies.
Clear the air from 9/11
NY Daily News | May 18, 2004
For nearly a year after 9/11, Ron Vega was part of a team of architects and engineers from the city's Design and Construction Department supervising recovery efforts at Ground Zero.
Like so many workers at the site, Vega was not provided with a proper respirator for the first two months, which would have protected him from the many dangerous chemicals at the site.
For Vega, the heavy cough, headaches, dizziness and rashes started almost immediately. At first, he figured it was just from overwork.
Not until August 2002, after he had left the site and the city tested him for heavy metals, did Vega learn that arsenic and mercury levels in his body were three times higher than is considered safe.
"They tried to tell me I was eating too much contaminated fish," Vega said. "I told them I'm allergic to fish. And no one could explain the arsenic."
Vega says he wasn't alone.
Of some 60 department employees who worked at Ground Zero, Vega said at least 18 have confided to him that their tests were positive.
"We all came back with some level above toxic for specific metals like chromium, mercury, zinc," Vega said.
Amazingly, more than two years after the attack on the World Trade Center, the city has never made public the results of toxic-metal testing of the department's workers - or any Ground Zero workers, for that matter.
Today and tomorrow, the federal 9/11 commission is scheduled to hold hearings on our city's response to the attacks and what officials have learned to help prevent future threats.
Much of the attention will focus on how former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the NYPD, the Fire Department and other city agencies reacted in the hours after the planes hit the twin towers.
We will once again relive the unbearable anguish of a day that claimed nearly 3,000 lives.
But what about the weeks and months after the attack?
Will the commission dare to ask tough questions about why our leaders, at all levels of government, failed adequately to protect the health of recovery workers and thousands of New Yorkers who live or work near Ground Zero?
Two weeks ago, an independent task force of more than a dozen top medical experts released a summary of all known scientific studies on the public health effects of the collapse.
That summary begins with these ominous words:
"The destruction of the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 caused the largest acute environmental disaster that ever has befallen New York City."
The report goes on to document some of what we already know: that a high percentage of firefighters and rescue workers who were assigned to Ground Zero, and even some community residents, are still suffering from coughs and respiratory problems two years later; that pregnant women who were either inside or near the towers on 9/11 showed "a two-fold increase" in undersize babies.
And it makes clear that years will pass before we can say for sure what the long-term public health impact will be from the pollution released at Ground Zero.
The tone of that report is a far cry from the "air is safe to breathe" assurances given to all of us in the days after the attack from Christie Whitman, the former Environmental Protection Agency administrator, or from Giuliani and his former health commissioner.
Last year, an investigation by the EPA's inspector general concluded that the agency misled New Yorkers about any possible health dangers from the disaster and still has failed to do a proper cleanup of lower Manhattan.
The inspector general even revealed that White House officials rewrote EPA news releases to minimize health dangers.
But EPA is not the only agency that's supposed to safeguard public health. It's also the job of the city's Health Department and Environmental Protection Department, and also of the state's Environmental Conservation Department.
Let's hope the 9/11 commission asks Giuliani and other former city officials not only what they did to protect human life on that terrible day but what they did to protect recovery workers and the public in the many months that followed.
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
Good lord... I dont know how the Gov. plans on covering this one up... Its sad that it takes such obvious life threatening incompetence, for people to realize they are being lied to by there own gov... So many people just blindly put there faith in what their gov tells them, because they figure they have their safety in mind...
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
oh yeah, after studying 911 for the past 3+ years, i can't believe how they've managed to coverup government involvement...
he was on alex jones show today,and went into great detail regarding this matter.
give it a listen, it will be played again tonight from 9pm to midnight (central time) at www.infowars.com.
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
hahahahahahahhahahahah.toooooooooooooooooo funny.
Ground Zero Rescue Worker Seargent Matthew Tartaglia
Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations
Alex Jones Radio Show transcript | March 30 2005
Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.
Thanks to Total911Info and Liberty Forum for the transcript.
Interview of Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia
Alex Jones Radio Show
March 24, 2005
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AJ: critical incident stress management counselor and debriefer at Ground Zero. He did not wear a mask at the site because he had to talk. Now he has been super sick, up to 3-years: respiratory problems, teeth falling out, etc. And a lot of friends have gotten sick as well and died. And we have all the major New Scientist reports about the asbestos, the lung scans, all of it. Bush blocked the 90 plus million in funding for these men and women who were out there on the site ?? the police, the firemen, the rescuers. But that??s not the only reason he??s coming on with us today. He knows some other interesting things there at Ground Zero. Sergeant, thanks for coming on with us.
MT: Hey Alex, how you doing?
AJ: I??m doing okay despite all of the horrible things that are going on; we are trying to expose it.
MT: I hear you. First of all I want to say thank you for what you do. It??s a hard line that you??re towing. You are in the line of fire; and as we say in the field, you are on the front line. You are a forward observer and you are bringing back the intel. And you are standing up and saying it. And very few people are willing to die on their feet as opposed to living on their knees. And with that, I just want to say to Dan [a previous caller],I hope you are not one of these government people calling to waste the time of someone trying to disclose information because we are accustomed to what you??re doing. And we will get around you; we will keep getting around you.
AJ: Tell us a little bit about yourself, Matthew.
MT: Alright, I??m less than 40-years old. I??m just going on 39. And I??ve been in public service, emergency services, for since I??ve been 20-years old, almost. I??ve worked. I was emancipated at age 14 so I saw the world from a different point of view, if you will. I didn??t go to high school. I didn??t have that luxury. And it turned out to be a blessing and a benefit for me because I didn??t fall for the training which I think takes place in high school ?? to take the popular people, the rich people and make them the prom king and queen. As is what happens here in grand ole?? America and some other places. I have always been outspoken. It has always gotten me into the hot seat. And sometimes, to tell you the truth while I was sitting here waiting, I know what I??m going to be talking about. My heart was thundering in my chest because I??m angry, I??m hurt. I??m disappointed and, of course, if I have a brain in my head, I??m a little nervous. Because King George got on and said, ??If you support the terrorist theories or the conspiracy theories, you??re one of them.? And you know what we do to them.
AJ: Yeah, he said that if you talk about outrageous conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11, you??re with the terrorists.
MT: That??s right. And you know what we do to them. That??s his own words.
AJ: We are going to expose the real terrorists. Now you sent me a mountain of documents ?? the awards you got for being at Ground Zero from the governor. All of it, your whole history ?? sterling record. Describe what happened on 9/11 and let??s go through the discrepancies of the official story. Other rescue workers have reported that they found the data recorders. The FBI said keep your mouths shut. The place was pulverized. They admit there was asbestos. You guys haven??t been given treatment. You also told us that ?? we don??t have to talk about this ?? but that the fire department was basically looting out there. No one wants to hear that. Getting into the ATMs and the gold and the rest of it. Let??s just go through all of it.
MT: Do it one at a time. Let??s start with just post-911, just like the students were pointing up in the sky and telling their teachers and their parents that those buildings weren??t going to be there. I, too, and many other people who entered it, knew that this date was a dangerous date because of certain things in the past. These [?] people love to do things in an allegoric fashion. They love to do things right under your nose and you talk about this in some of your films, I seen?.
AJ: For those who just joined us, we have MSNBC, New York Daily News ?? students, all these people said those won??t be there next week. Odigo admits that they instant messaged their people to get out of the building. So number one, what you said is documented.
MT: Yeah, it is absolutely documented. Not to mention the fact that anybody who was awake at all from the neck up will know that had people not been warned, 30,000 plus people would be dead today. They wanted more people dead. They are disappointed. Don??t you think for a second that they are not disappointed.
AJ: But normally on a Tuesday morning, you would have had about 30,000 people, they said.
MT: That??s right, or more. I??ve been in New York many, many times as a worker, as a visitor and I have yet to see that not be the truth. So already something is wrong. In addition to which, some of the guys who I spoke to there, they know the building was pulled ?? just like 7 was pulled. I don??t care how many planes you fly into those World Trade Centers, if the planes themselves took it down, they would have fallen sideways ?? not down in an implosion type style. Not to mention, the reports from talking to people as a counselor, who told me things they didn??t even realize they were saying. They were in such a state of shock, they just said, ??Well, you know, I saw this, this, this, and this,? and they are caught up in their trauma. And I??m listening to it and thinking to myself, ??My God, this is a conspiracy. This is a real Pearl Harbor, modern day.?
AJ: Well, I want to go over that. So, describe what you saw when you first got to Ground Zero.
MT: The first thing that you noticed on the first day there ?? if you went there out of turn, you were arrested, for the most part. One of the men on our team was arrested for going, what they call, out of turn. If you were there, you were invited. If you worked in a sensitive area, you were an invited group. We were invited. We were told that we were to stand down until Friday. Well, myself and a couple of my teammates were coming back , we hate that because we were sick to our stomachs. We were rescue people and we know that every moment counts for rescue. By the time that Tuesday night had occurred, it was a recovery effort. I mean anybody who knows anything about rescue knows that??s a fact. There is no way that a human being could live through that. None. Fire engines were crushed in half, sir. But when we got there, we had to be very careful about our help, who we said we were, how we assisted for those first couple of hours because you did run the risk of being arrested. Then, when you were allowed there, I recall being on the pile and working and you could hear nothing but generators. Alex, there was nothing but generators and crying. No matter what they showed you on that television, it was nothing compared to when we turned the corner and you were in the thick of it.
AJ: Well, I want to hear the details of an eyewitness. You got some of the biggest awards and citations from the rescue efforts. We??ll be right back. Stay with us.
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AJ: I??ve got hundreds of interviews at Ground Zero of people who were saying that they were particularly themselves told not to go into work but then they say, ??But you can??t put me on tape. I??ve been threatened.? I did put a lot of people on the tape though who were told or talked to others who were told. But MSNBC said they were out to prove ??disprove an urban legend? about warnings and found out it was true. And we have that article in the film. But you??ve got to get ??Martial Law,? folks. I want you to get it, make copies, spread the word, expose the killers, the true culprits of September 11th. The toll free number to get the new film is 1-888-253-3139.
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Going back to Sgt. Matthew, Sergeant, again you sent me so many documents, so much information. You were so highly decorated, the things you did there. We??ve talked to other rescue workers here on the broadcast in the past, as well. And I??ve talked to firefighters who said they saw the bombs going off. And they??ll tell me, ??Alex, I??m sorry, I??ve been threatened. I can??t come on your show. We??ve been told to shut up.? So many people. You are going to be with us into the next hour and later we??ll take calls. There is so much to talk about that you witnessed. There??s the whole facet of the toxic waste and how you guys weren??t given treatment.
MT: I have a little list here. I should be able to follow it. And, okay..
AJ: Run down the list first and then we??ll go through the list.
MT: Okay, from what I sent you ?? about the Red Cross and some of the systems that were out there to help you. That??s basically fundamentally flawed. They will tell you what??s wrong but they will not help you. The only way they will help you is if you start talking about conspiracies. Then they are all about helping you. There??s no money for people who lost their jobs like I did. I was on call until the end.
AJ: That??s what I??ve said, they are only a government agency there to pay people off.
MT: Yes, they are, or kill you. I worked for American Tower Corporation. They said, ??We??ll keep your job open.? It didn??t happen ?? to myself and another person. As we traveled back, one of the things that I noticed always, as we traveled from New York to Pennsylvania, the further we got from New York, the colder the climate became towards the workers at Ground Zero, when we got to Pennsylvania. People are very distant from the workers from up there. As for the folks at the Port Authority, who I worked with hand-and-hand mostly, they lost more people proportionally than anyone did. And yet they were not allowed to be on the site for days. They actually came to our little pavilion, at the Port Authority headquarters and they said, ??Look, if we don??t get on that site today or tomorrow, we are going to sneak on there with FDNY clothes and we??re going to shoot them and then they??ll know where they stand.? So, it was a very hostile circumstance between the New York Fire Department and the Port Authority.
AJ: Well I know they even banned photography at the site.
MT: They would tackle you and take your camera away. I watched people be tackled. I??ve been officially press for a while but I??ve done some press work ?? you know like writing a little article - and I have never, ever, ever seen anything like that.
AJ: And then they hauled the steel off to China.
MT: Right, they did that for a reason, they did that for a reason???
AJ: Well, let??s go over what you witnessed. Again, there is so much. Let??s talk about all of it when we get back. We are about to start the third hour. And then later we??ll take calls as well ?? at 800-259-9231. Don??t forget that the new film ??Martial Law? is out. We??ll be right back.
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AJ: Third hour, Thursday, the 24th day of March, 05. We??re talking to Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia, highly decorated rescue worker and counselor, as well. A debriefer there at the World Trade Center disaster site. And it??s a laundry list of things that he??s an eyewitness to. And everything he??s a witness to, we have already confirmed with multiple other sources. Most of it even the mainsteam media but forgotten but it??s good to have an eyewitness on to discuss this. From the data recorders being found, how the buildings were turned into dust to different elements of the government robbing and looting things out of the buildings, the ATMs, to the rescue workers, firemen, police, Port Authority workers not getting medical treatment for the asbestos. We are going to cover it all. Where should we start, Sergeant?
MT: I think we should just keep going from the beginning. When we first got there, we were told where we could go and where we couldn??t go. There were different places that you were not to go to. One of the things you were not to go to and they claimed it was for safety was down in the garages, the parking garages. They were very flooded. There were a lot of problems like that. All the apartments around there were all sealed off. A lot of things were very much sealed off. However, at the same time, right from the beginning, one of the things that I noticed was there was looting everywhere. People were stealing clothes that were meant for us. The rescue people ?? when our clothes got so contaminated, we were told not to bring our clothes off that site. Don??t wear anything on the site you??re not prepared to leave there because it??s contaminated.
We went through an OSHA training on how to use our breathers. But I didn??t wear a breather and neither did any of my counselors because how can you talk through a muffled, double-filtered respirator? You can??t. The damage that you would see there. Number one, I want to just move to one thing that is my pet peeve, that drives me absolutely insane, if you don??t mind for one second , and that is that they claim that they found these passports of the hijackers. There wasn??t one piece of glass on the ground that was whole. I would like to know how it is possible that a plane that supposedly incinerated steel that is supposed to handle 4000 and 5000 degree Fahrenheit burning for days on end, a passport that was on that plane survived, in that kind of a ball of fire? I??d like to know how it happened. I??d like to know how all the convenient things were found but nothing, quote, unquote, inconvenient was found. I??d like to know how it is possible that they knew that a ring that was contaminated with all this, that they got the DNA off of it. Anybody who has ever followed DNA sampling knows that you need a pretty clean source of DNA to know who it is. Well, we found body parts. It wasn??t like something you would see in some crazy horror film, it looked like a rag, it looked like something you never wanted to see in your life - ever.
AJ: I want to repeat all of this. Because yeah, they said they found a ring that was the hijacker??s. They found not one but two passports.
MT: And they were side by side.
AJ: Later it turns out that they were fakes and the government just dropped the story. It??s like that magic bullet that shot through two people and steel and wasn??t even deformed and hit Kennedy.
MT: Right, it??s the magic bullet. There are several of those. There??s a lot of people been shot by that same magic bullet manufacturer.
AJ: For those who don??t know, if you shoot a bullet into water, it deforms.
MT: Exactly.
AJ: If you shoot a bone with a bullet, it blows into pieces.
MT: It breaks into fragments, most of the time ..
AJ: Not that one that went through two people and four bones.
MT: That??s an amazing bullet.
AJ: Well, it??s just like this passport. It??s made out of kryptonite.
MT: I guess so. It must be the most powerful substance on earth. We should be looking at that, too. You know, maybe to protect our planes and our buildings maybe we could paint the walls with that ?? or wallpaper and next time we won??t have any problems but one of the other...
AJ: We??ve got to break. Let??s come back and go over the passport and over more of this, over the looting. I want details of the looting. And then we??ll talk about how you??ve gotten sick and what??s happened to members of your team. And take some phone calls. We??ll be right back, talking to an eyewitness. He was there, folks ?? highly decorated. So Matthew stay with us. We shall return after this quick break.
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AJ: Alright, we are talking to one of the rescue heroes, who was highly decorated for the work he did in the weeks after 9/11. Just everything he is saying checks out with the publicly available information that we have. Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia. And Sergeant, again continuing with this, so you are there on Ground Zero, you??re looking at this total devastation and they are claiming that they found one of the hijacker??s rings, said there was blood on it. They found two of the hijacker??s passports. It later turned out they were fake. The government manufactured that but we have a government that pays for hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fake newscasts. Okay, they pay off the reporters.
MT: And they won an election that way too; let??s don??t forget that.
AJ: Well this is what they do over and over again. So, you are there and then you described how from day one, they are not letting you guys get into rescue people.
MT: Right. Alex, from that evening on, it was a recovery effort. They kept on telling people it??s a rescue effort, it??s a rescue effort and that??s about M-O-N-E-Y and nothing else. Money, money, money, send us your money. We??ve got things to take care of; we??ve got people to feed. There was food rotting on docks. There was so much food there. The only thing they did not turn away was money. There were??..
AJ: Well I remember when the Red Cross kept saying, give us blood, give us blood, because most people won't give blood, they??ll give money. It??s the psychology. And it??s turned out that just thousands and thousands of gallons of blood was rotting. It was a joke. And, of course, I told people, don??t give your money to the Red Cross. They??ll give it to gun control, they??ll give it to other groups. And they kept half the money. And then I saw articles where they would only go offer families money to shut up. And then you just said that.
MT: To go away and shut up. If you want money, you need to be a pain in the peta, you know what I mean? Pain in the arse. And you needed to be it seriously, because there is plenty of shut up money but honorable money? There??s none of that. I need some help? There??s none of that. My teeth are falling out? There??s none of that. I??d like to talk to somebody? That??s what insurance is for. And when we were helping the emergency workers, you know they were 12 hours on; 12 hours off. If you spoke to civilians, you actually were reprimanded by not being allowed to go back to the pile per hour, per occurrence. So if you talked to four people, they wouldn??t say anything to you on the pile. But when you got back, to come back and got ready at the Port Authority, got showered, dressed and ready to return, they??d say, ??Tartaglia, you have to hold up a second, we need to talk to you for a second.? And then you would have nonsensical conversations for two or three hours. And then???..
AJ: So it was all run basically as an intelligence operation.
MT: That??s right
AJ: Now we know that by day two, they arrested anybody with cameras. They said no over-flights, no cameras. Why would say that? What did you see happening?
MT: One of the reasons that I can tell you ?? and I??m sure this is why they took the cameras away. First of all they didn??t take cameras away from everybody. They took them away from people they couldn??t control.
AJ: Yeah, FEMA was allowed to have cameras.
MT: FEMA was allowed to have cameras. The police, the Port Authority, certain people who I was attached with were allowed to have cameras. And I had a camera also. After my second full day there, I just decided that it was stupid to pull that camera out unless I saw something that absolutely that could not be passed up. Mostly what you saw was evidence of an implosion. Mostly what you saw was that there are cameras everywhere and it??s more of what they say they couldn??t catch on camera had to be caught on camera if it was on. And I had no reason to believe that those cameras were not working before or on that day. I know for a fact, I believe you saw my certificate there. They are from FEMA, several of them. I am a FEMA trained person and FEMA certified. That means that if there??s a situation in my area, even sick and laying down, semi-retired or whatever I??m doing. If I have the most experience, I am the OIC officer in charge, until someone can relieve me, who has more training. That??s the law. There is a secret government. I??m sorry, it??s not a secret anymore. But it is a government that is set-up and there is a fear-based, martial law solution and that??s what it??s all about. It??s all about fear. But moving on?..
AJ: Well I want to go back to the cameras. Just like with the Pentagon, they go and they grab them at gas stations and hotels.
MT: That??s right
AJ: Same thing here. There were all of those businesses in other buildings and they counted it up and it was like 300 cameras training at the towers but they declared national security on those tapes. And people would try to sue to get them. What are they trying to hide?
MT: I think that they are trying to hide what ?? there was a film there that was extremely hush-hush. And a lot of people are going to take offense at what I??m going to say. To those people, I??m sorry. There is a film that shows firefighters breaking into an ATM machine. They stole over $470,000 in cash money. They didn??t do anything to them. Why, because America wouldn??t understand, unquote. They let them get away with unreal stuff. There were rules and regulations only FDNY did not have to follow it. And it??s my experience, in my life and in my line of things that I??ve done, that the only people who are in charge are the ones who have carte blanche to go wherever and do whatever they wish. I believe that the NY knew ahead of time. They may have been duped just like the military into believing that it was a training exercise and that??s why so many of them were talking openly at first. But, the Secret Service was there on a regular basis. They did not hide who they were in any way, shape, or form. But they would discretely speak with you and I saw grown men, who I??ve seen and who I??ve known to be in gun fights and all kinds of different things, turn pale as a ghost and speak not of what they were told.
AJ: Now, let??s talk about the flight data recorders. It??s been in major publications, it??s been in the Philadelphia Daily News, two search and rescue individuals, one of them very highly decorated like yourself, said that they physically, that three of the data recorders had been found - two data recorder and one voice recorder. There??s two per plane.
MT: Right
AJ: That three of them had been found. They were loaded on four-wheelers and then the FBI said shut your mouth. What do you know about that?
MT: I believe that, first of all my understanding about those recorders, when they were found, they were in pretty good shape for what they had supposedly been through.
AJ: Yeah, that??s what they said.
MT: Number two, one of the big problems was, is that they were trying to say that they found those boxes on three different occasions. Not just three boxes, but three different occasions, all of the boxes were found. So, in my opinion about that is that they are trying to disqualify what these highly decorated and honest people said. We found the box. The reason why they are trying to disqualify them is because they wanted to have the boxes longer so they could, ??edit what they needed out for national security.? I guess that must have been the remote control buttons going off and on ?? because I can??t imagine what would be national security to not let us know and have a little sense of peace, what really happened.
AJ: They ordered the FAA to shred all the tapes.
MT: Absolutely. That??s against the law. I thought that I would like to know why when I fly my Cessna, if I'm just [ ] off path a little bit, I have a radio call, ??Cessna 098 November, where are you going?? Where are you going? You mean to tell me that they lost some people for all that time? You mean to tell me that a supersonic jet that can go three times mach speed couldn??t get to those people? Something is wrong, to high heaven, and there??s no way what they said is true - from anything that you say to me, Alex, because there is so much stuff and sometimes you can??t even remember all of it.
AJ: Before we take some calls, let??s get back into more of the 9/11 cover-up. Let??s talk about, they admit those buildings the pillars were coated in asbestos.
MT: Yes they were.
AJ: And which is another reason they couldn??t burn or melt, folks. But that place was pulverized, turned into dust, and then Bush says support the firefighters and rescue workers. But then he blocked the 90 plus million for medical treatment.
MT: Right. And you know what, when you burn metal at that rate ?? anybody who knows anything about being there, there were a hose running non-stop on that fire and that??s because the metal was burning at the heat of magnesium in there. And it was so hot, what they were trying to do was not put out the fire, but mist the damn particulate. There are, I have now been told..
AJ: Listen Sergeant, I know you??re upset but we have a lot of children listening, let??s be real careful here.
MT: I??m sorry.
AJ: No, I know this is very upsetting to you, I understand. I apologize for..
MT: Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate that. The particulates that were in the air had to be watered down [ ] There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.
AJ: Jet fuel is cold burning. And these people are standing in the holes of the buildings after the?
MT: That??s not possible. That??s not possible.
AJ: Exactly. So, how did we get then these white hot fires that were still burning weeks later?
MT: Some people call them subatomic nuclear controlled explosions. Some people call them tactical nukes.
AJ: Well the question is, we have the thermal photos. How do you weeks later have stuff burning in molten down in there?
MT: There??s only one way. There had to be a combination of some very high powerful stuff and when that stuff all closed in on itself, it just burned and burned. Because it was burning. I mean that is not a lie or something like that, that smoke came out and it burned like crazy. It was unreal, that fire.
AJ: I want to talk about the health problems you and others have had. It??s admitted, they call it the WTC cough.
MT: Yeah
AJ: A lot of people have died from it and the government says, shut up - you??re not getting anything.
MT: If you don??t know what you??re talking about; you??re crazy.
AJ: And the Red Cross is going to keep the money for themselves.
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AJ: We??re talking to Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia. I??m Alex Jones, your host. We??re going to your calls: David and Mark and Chris and Richard and Harvey and everybody else here in just a few minutes. Continuing with the health problems. Again, it is admitted that the rescue workers and New Yorkers, period, but especially rescue workers, breathed all this asbestos and other chemicals. And there were treatments for all of this but Bush, personally, had the Congress shut down the money: 90 plus million because that would have been an admission of exposure. And he??s denied you guys that. What have the health problems been like for yourself and your friends and others that were there?
MT: Most everybody has chronic sinusitis. They have ringing in the ears. Some people??s teeth and gums are bothering them. In the last year, I??ve lost seven teeth. They have just broken while I was eating. I have three or four more teeth that are just dying. And my dentist says, ??I??ve never seen anything like this in someone who??s healthy. There is something wrong with you but I cannot find what it is. And I can??t stop it either.?
AJ: Did you see the New Scientist? They did the scans, cat scans of the lungs, and everybody they tested, it was filled with asbestos.
MT: Yeah. The doctor said to me, I have - 97% of the population in American breathes more efficiently than I do. And that most of the people who are in that 3% are the people from Ground Zero. It??s this debilitating, death-bed type of lung problems.
AJ: And you??ve had friends that have died?
MT: Yes. Rolland was our supervisor, he??s the person who initiated me into critical management. He??s the person who made sure that my training was up to par. He??s the person who I went to as a confidant. And on December 31st, he went home. And on January 1st, he dropped dead from a massive heart attack in his house.
AJ: He??d been having health problems?
MT: He had been having health problems, just like mine, just like the people who were there. But one thing that he did not stick to that we did stick to, is that we allowed ourselves a weeks break between our time. Rolland was there all the time. He gave his life to make sure that the problems at Ground Zero stayed at Ground Zero for the most part or got worked out, too.
AJ: Now they admit that this has happened to the people there. And fourteen search and rescue dogs have died of these bizarre nasal cancers. They found the asbestos in them as well. There was also all those heavy metals that were there. What was the effect on the rescue workers when medical treatments got blocked?
MT: Some people committed suicide. Some people went crazy. Some people lost their wives or husbands because once you were there ?? it??s like Vietnam ?? and someone says if you weren??t there, you don??t have any idea. You really don??t. When you know the truth about something and you can??t talk about it, not even to your wife, and you have these eruptions of character, as they are called.
AJ: You were saying also that you were debriefing people as a counselor as well. And that just the stuff that they were talking about just showed what a fraud the official story was. What are some examples of that?
MT: Some of the examples were the availability for the blood, for instance. Someone said to me, his co-worker had gotten sick because he was moving bad blood around. Well bad blood is [ ] and apparently either he got sick ?? I really don??t understand whether the man just threw up or was getting sick to death of seeing what he saw or that he had actually been getting sick from contamination. I believe it??s the first of the two, to be honest with you. However, there were people who, officers who went in afterwards and the last thing they said to their partner was, ??Oh my God, it??s exploding. Oh my God, it??s exploding.? So what was he talking about?
AJ: Well, it??s the same thing, we have firefighters in the new film saying, ??Look at the bombs going off? or ??It looked like detonators.? [crosstalk] of the blast points going down the sides of the buildings. What about Larry Silverstein? He??s say they pulled it. We have the New York fire department telling the AP reporters, ??Get back, we??re going to pull it.? That is the demolition term. Did you run across any of that?
MT: Yeah. They pulled 7, there??s no two ways about that and that??s about money. Every building that ?? you said the man??s name..
AJ: Larry Silverstein
MT: Right. Larry Silverstein, thank you very much. Every building that he owned is gone and it??s being rebuilt or was rebuilt. And he just purchased those right before and that is one of the things that someone said to me.
AJ: I want to hear about it when we get back and we??ll go right to calls. Stay with us.
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I want to go to some calls now. We??re talking to Sgt. Matthew. He??s just done an incredible job and Matthew, everything you??ve said is confirmed information we already have ?? other than the looting. I heard a lot of looting went on. What about ?? the government admits over $100 billion in a federal reserve gold reserve that was in the bottom of those buildings, down in the basement ?? obviously where they told the rescue workers not to go. Were you there during the later period of excavation when they did go into those areas? Because gold isn??t destroyed.
MT: No, at the very worst all that would happen is it would melt and move about. But it would still be collectible.
AJ: All these thousands and thousands of giant gold bars in those vaults, which they admit was there, were you guys discussing that or was there any ?
MT: Yes, there was discussions about it. You know the humor, ??I get one of those.? But the only people who were allowed in were special operations or whether it be military or police. And they were very, very strict about that.
AJ: They admit the gold was there, I have articles pre-9/11. These giant gold vaults are there and then there??s no discussion of it.
MT: And then they said that they must have moved it or it was destroyed. The last things that were said was ?? oh my god, where did this gold go to? So, you have some of these people?
AJ: A lot of people think the globalists took the gold out before hand.
MT: If I was them I probably would have, too. You know what I mean? I don??t want to sound like I support anything that they did or are doing. But you have to admit, the way they are doing this is extremely critical. Aside from not being able to keep a secret to save their lives, and bragging like crazy on television, they can??t keep a secret. But these people, they??re really serious.
AJ: My last point. Have you heard about this high-level army official, who has now gone public in federal court and released the documents, they are not being disputed, that the army did drills in 1976 of hijacked jets, hijacked by box cutters, [ ] Arabs?
MT: Absolutely. I studied those ?? if you noticed some of my certificates of training ?? preparation for terrorism, terrorism awareness, first responder, etc? Those were all studies. And they were studies pre and post-9/11.
AJ: Well that??s the thing, I have the 1999 FEMA terrorism report and it??s got crosshairs right on the towers.
MT: Yes it does. Yes, I have that same exact document, actually.
AJ: Were there any discussions, there are so many questions here. How many people were talking at Ground Zero ?? did anybody get an inkling that bad guys with box cutters couldn??t do this? What did they say when they said??
MT: Everybody said?
AJ: As soon as they found the passport, what did they say?
MT: To tell you the truth, that??s when it really started to get hot. If you know what I mean ?? people really started to get upset about that. Because if you had been there you would have known that no passport would have made it down. You would know it, instinctively. And people started looking at each other. People started getting afraid. You could ?? it was like an us and them right there on the site. ??Oh you don??t have clearance so I can??t talk to you ?? at least not right now. I??ll talk to you later when we??re drinking.? And that??s the way it was. The more information came out at the pub than they did at the stations or ?
AJ: So what were people saying when they were on the news saying, ??We found the ring with blood on it. It??s the hijacker??s. We found two passports. What were people saying at the bars, minus the profanity?
MT: (laughs)
AJ: I can imagine, yeah.
MT: They were aghast. To tell you the truth, there were a lot of people who were really ready to quit their jobs and walk away. They are people who have walked away from their jobs as a result of their involvement. And their lives and everything, have picked up and done their exodus, if you will. They have left.
AJ: Because they know.
MT: They do know. It??s happening; it really is happening. And people want to play ostrich and they think that, you known, in traffic, sometimes you see this phenomenon all the time, people see an 18-wheeler making a turnaround in some really precarious turn. And it looks like it could possibly hit their car. What do they do? Look away. They don??t move their vehicle, they don??t look to see if there is somewhere that they can back up. They look away.
AJ: I??ve noticed that they disassociate. Let??s go to some calls. You have people that think that the world is inside their head and that they govern reality with their imaginary little world. Dave, from California, thanks for holding, you are on the air with our guest.
Dave: Hey how you doing Matthew?
MT: How are you doing?
Dave: I??m great. God bless you first of all and just always remember that He??s in charge.
MT: Oh yeah, amen
Dave: We don??t have to worry about too much because He??s in charge. What I wanted to ask specifically I have heard reports that some of the security companies that were in the World Trade Centers were dealing in DD214 forms [military discharge documents], that they were selling essentially military registration, birth certificates so on and so forth with respect to military personnel. Have you heard of anything like that? Is there anything that you might be able to shed light on?
AJ: They did a lot of insider trading. The CIA did ?? out of the buildings. What the mafia or the criminals will do is they will move a bunch of criminal operations six-months before they do something ?? into something they are going to torch. And it??s like they move the records on Waco and on Vince Foster into the Alfred P. Murrah building right before they blew it up. Comments on that?
MT: Yes, I do have a comment on that. Actually, it seems to be what you??re referring to and if it??s the same thing that I??m aware of, what happened is there are some people who are defecting and running away like I just suggested. And they sold their identifications beforehand to buy some time for themselves. I??m sorry for anybody who that hurt. But that??s the truth of the matter. They sold their identities to buy time for themselves.
AJ: Alright Dave, thanks for the call. Up next is Mark in Nevada. Mark, you??re on the air, go ahead.
Mark: Hey how are you guys doing? Sorry about the way you firefighters have been treated and everything but I can??t say I??m surprised. I was in the Marine Corp myself and I was injured by the anthrax shots. [ ] They did the same thing to us veterans.
AJ: I??ve got to add this. It was federal crime every time they did that. Those were experimental shots. Even if you??re in the military, you??ve got to give them your consent and they didn??t do that.
Mark: I served my whole time honorably and they treat us like we are nothing but kleenex, you know. I??m not surprised. But I want to ask you about World Trade Center 7 where Guiliana and Jerome Hauer had their little headquarters set up. What have you heard about what WTC 7 was actually used for?
MT: WTC 7 was, from my understanding, it was set-up the day before and the day before that, as early as the 9th to run this exercise. They pulled that building because there was no way that they could conceivably move that data that was in there. They accomplished what they wanted..
AJ: Tripod 2 and then the FEMA spokesman on the nightly news said that they were doing a drill. Then they said it was a conspiracy. And then Guiliana last year got up and admitted ?? I have it all on tape. He got up and said yeah, likely the Port Authority was already moved out. I pulled out that morning. It was part of the drill and Tripod 2 was tied in to the drills to fly hijacked jets into those buildings. Folks, this is the Associated Press. What is the mathematical chance that they were running drills of the exact same thing happening at the exact same time? It??s impossible.
MT: It??s not possible. Mathematically the potential for that is so far away that you??ll time travel before that will happen.
AJ: That??s a good way to put it. Is there any comments about 7 ?? you said you were there night, [Building ] 7 at 5:30 that night falls perfectly?
MT: When 7 fell, there were a few people on the fence. They got off the fence very quickly. They knew what happened. We had just watched two buildings fall identically. What plane hit 7? Please tell me what one hit 7 because I don??t know about it.
AJ: Oh by the way, the new FEMA report. There is a new government report just put out, commissioned by FEMA - first they said they don??t know why it fell, then no it wasn??t a fuel oil tank. Now they are saying that the North Tower hit it. And by their own official debris field map, the North Tower didn??t hit it. Now they are saying that the North Tower hit it and knocked out it??s main support column.
MT: Oh boy. If what they said was true, most of Manhattan would be flattened.
AJ: I??ve been there. I??ve got the video. They admit it didn??t hit Building 7.
MT: They fell straight down. The furthest anything went was 75 feet. That??s it. Nothing went beyond 75 feet.
AJ: But I mean that??s admitted. But now, the government??s got a new report saying 7 fell because the North Tower hit it.
MT: That??s not true; it??s false.
AJ: They might as well say because Donald Duck chewed through the girders.
MT: I want to say something that we have not touched on at all. It??s just too wacky for me to believe that no one??s paying attention to. Under the law, the airport that George Bush would have had to fly out of would have been closed. And it would have been considered a national threat of security because of its size and its proximity to where the president was that day. In addition to which, the principal of that school that morning said, George the president came in and said that the World Trade Center had been hit and we were going to go ahead anyway, he thought it was a Cessna. And then ?
AJ: Normally whenever anything happens, he stops his whole??..
MT: That??s called negligence. He is negligent.
AJ: Bare minimum. Thank you for the call Mark. Chris in Kentucky, Chris go ahead, you??re on the air.
Chris: Yes, thank you Alex. And thank you Matthew. You know you are a great American. We need to get more information out. You know I have news clips of before the planes impact. There were even news reporters who witnessed there were no windows on those planes. And there was also a pod that was attached under the second tower that hit. I saw that in a film, ??911-In Plane Site.? There is a lot - obviously going on.
MT: Some people say that there was a holograph around a missile and that that went through.
Chris: Yeah
AJ: Regardless, it was a fraud.
MT: It was a fraud.
Chris: It really was.
MT: Whether it was laser guided missiles or it doesn??t matter. But if you??ll remember in that show that they have with most of the people from the X-files, the
AJ: The Lone Gunman
MT: Yeah, thank you very much. The Lone Gunman? The man said in the movie, ??I don??t want anything to do with it. I??m afraid and I??m going to back out.? That??s what they are doing. They are scaring us to death.
Chris: They are putting us in such fear.
AJ: For those who don??t know about The Lone Gunman, months before 9/11, a secret government group by remote control, hijacks a passenger jet. They fly it into the towers for a police state. And again, it??s all part of this [ ]. Anything else Chris?
Chris: Yeah, it??s just like the Pentagon ?? no wreckage. So this is obviously a government set-up.
AJ: Alright, thank you for the call. Richard in Alabama. Richard you are on the air, go ahead.
Richard: Hi, could you tell us in percentages what happened to the careers of the New York firefighters? Like what percentage had to quit? What percentage was fired?
MT: Unfortunately, I do not know those figures. I can tell you something and it may sound like I??m ?? in a smart aleck way but I??m not, 100% of those who cooperated, their careers went sky high. 100% of those who did not cooperate have nothing but problems. And like I said, that sounds a little slippery, but it??s the truth. The people who cooperated, they succeeded but some 50% of the people who were there are dying or sick. And there??s a lot of good people up there. I have to tell you when the first dog died there, it was a hard day for a lot of people.
AJ: Oh, you mean dogs were dying on the spot?
MT: That??s right, there was a dog ?? I believe it was the 8th day when the dog died. And I just cannot think of Jim??s dog name ?? and I do believe that Jim was the handler. And he was a great guy. He would let you pet his dog. I??m a handler myself. I have a dog who lives with me and she did her job until she couldn??t anymore. And they are very therapeutic. And?
AJ: Alright, Richard, any other questions?
Richard: Write a book and make a video in a hurry.
MT: I??m working on it.
AJ: Alright, we??ll be back and talk to Harvey and a few others in the final segment. An amazing interview. Stay with us Matthew. We??ll be right back on the other side.
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AJ: Real fast, three final calls. Harvey in Florida and then Mike and Mike. Harvey go ahead.
Harvey: Yes hello Alex and Sergeant Matthew. I??d like to tell you it wasn??t just the asbestos in the towers, it was so many cathode ray tubes hooked up to the computers there that the toxic mercury and the heavy metals is what you were breathing. Let me tell you a personal story. I??ll make it very quick. My daughter, Melissa, who is about 30-years old and was pregnant and she was about 20 blocks away. Within several weeks after the 9/11 happening, she was in the subway on the way to work?
AJ: Miscarriage
Harvey: spontaneous miscarriage. That??s correct. And she??s the most healthy, most natural ?? doesn??t smoke, doesn??t drink, most perfect human being you??d ever meet.
AJ: What a horrible tragedy.
MT: I am very sorry for your loss.
AJ: The globalists just deal in death, like the Terri Schiavo case. Wherever it goes, just death, death, death. Anything else, Harvey?
Harvey: At the EPA, the lady resigned because she was told to say how healthy the air was there in New York. Just let me also say that I also have a personal friend, a neighbor of mine, that was and is a consultant to Deutsche Bank. He was in the Trade Center area there ?? maybe even in Building 7. And when I started asking him about what he was doing there, he told me he was sworn to secrecy.
MT: And he was. It??s actually like what you hear about the Masonic rituals and like that. When you are accepted into the societies, it??s a circle within a circle, within a circle, within a circle. And you are on a need-to-know basis.
AJ: And it??s compartmentalized. Got to go quick. Thanks Harvey. Mike in Illinois and then Mike in Arizona. Mike, go ahead.
Mike: Hey Alex. Great show, great guest. And I just want to ask you both a question here. Alex, when the World Trade Centers went down, a friend of mine, his brother lived in Manhattan and he was maybe 5-6 blocks and he said between the first and second tower, when it came down, he said the local news there, at that point, they had not even known about a second aircraft that hit the tower. He said that they were brainwashed and that the local news knew that there was a plane that hit. But yet one of the reporters that did the traffic was still saying, ??We don??t know what caused, we don??t know what happened to the tower.?
AJ: Well it gets worse than that, we know that Building 7 ran the command and control for the whole complex. Somebody was on the radio, even after the firefighters were evacuating, and they were sitting there saying, ??Stay at your desk, stay at your desk.? Thanks for the call Mike. Did you hear about that?
MT: Yes, yes I did.
AJ: Who was saying ??stay at your desk??
MT: I personally think it was the people who were being encouraged to stay at their desk were not so cooperative, if you know what I mean.
AJ: Let??s go ahead and talk to Mike in Arizona, Mike, go ahead.
Mike: Matthew, you mentioned the possibility of tactical nukes early on. Was anyone measuring radioactivity at the Ground Zero site?
MT: To my knowledge, in a very short period of time, there is going to be a book that is coming out that will explain some other things. And yes, there is somebody working on that I am aware of. And ..
AJ: So were there devices there?
MT: My belief is that is yes. Completely, yes.
Mike: Thank you.
