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Well i know what it is and i know that its probably the BEST way to smoke weed but what i dont get is how its used. From step 1 with it to last step. Anyone wna help? :) ive seen people do it on internet but i still dont quite get it. And can people tell me the pros and cons about them? Thanks
Vaporizers blow or draw hot air through the weed @ 390*F and below..melting the trichs and producing vapor eliminating 90% of all the BS that smoke has in it.
Smoking weed your igniting the weed with your lighter(according to various links provided by the very handy Google.com a Bic flame burns at 1977* F.)
That high temperature ativates carsonages and tars ect. in the smoke from the weed
Its in this sense that I heard smoking joints is better,because of the slow burn from the coal or heat source continually burning.Not like torching a bowl.
.................................................. ...Temperature of a lit joint.............................Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyfingahZ
Temperature without drawing:
Side of the lit portion: 400 deg C (or 752 deg F)
Middle of the lit portion: 580 deg C (or 1112 deg F)
Temperature during drawing:
Middle of the lit portion: 700 deg C (or 1292 deg F)
The above numbers represent the average we obtained by performing several trials and can be considered accurate to within 50 deg C
This lower than the lighter's flame temperature will still activate all the contaminates in the Smoke
Vaporizing your not reaching the point/temperature of combustion.
Vaporizing only makes the THC melt and turn into a vapor, so you're not burning it and getting the carcinogens from the actual burning and the butane. You can get pretty fucked up off a vape bowl to the dome. Thats the pros.
The cons are that if its a real vape then your stuck to a wall (the cord) and have a limited area to work in. When using a whip and you have 3 or more people trying to get a hit it becomes more of a chore, unless you all work well together and can get a thing going.
Then personal opinion comes into play, I love hitting bongs, and smoking joints. The massive hits and the fact that I can walk from one end of my house to the other and not worry about anything except tripping over an animal. Vapes are great for body highs, I usually manage to pass out nicely after a good vape sesh. You can still get some pretty massive vapor hits, but man do they kick the shit out of your lungs.
I agree with everything you said except the above quoted portion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp35
I can walk from one end of my house to the other and not worry about anything with a bag of vapor. I'm not confined to the area where the vaporizer is plugged in. None of the vapor escapes from the bag and I can inhale at my own pace.
I've never had any vaporizer "kick the shit out of" my lungs because vaporizers are in fact, EASIER on the lungs than any other inhalation method.
I would have to say the top 3 ways to consume cannabis, in order, are edibles, vaporizers, then joints. Who doesn't enjoy a good gravity bong, triple diffused ice water bong, blunt, hookah, etc. Vaporizers or no vaporizers, you will always have the traditional heads.:hippy:
Iolite, VaporGenie, Magic Flight Launch Tubes and Launch Box (beta), Vapman, Vapostar are all real vapes and you're not stuck to a wall with a cord with any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp35
And regarding using an electrical vape with 3 or more people, a vape that uses bags, such as a 'Cano, or an Extreme or an HerbalAir is a LOT more convenient than a whip vape. Bag vapes make GREAT party vapes. You just fill up the bag, and pass her around. Can't get any easier than that, and totally eliminates user error. Whips are more useful as personal vapes, imho.
I don't doubt your personal experience, but the general consensus is, that vapes typically give you more of a clear, energetic head high versus a couch lock body high that smoking gives you, which is mainly caused by all the toxins in smoke such as carbon monoxide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp35
And yeah, massive vapor hits can really cause you to cough big time. THC is a lung irritant, no two ways about it..........but, when you do cough, it doesn't hurt like it does with smoke. All in all, vapor is MUCH better for your lungs than any kind of smoking device. You just don't get all those toxins that are in smoke.
But there will always be those that prefer a blunt or a bong, but there are also some bong vapes (Herborizer) or vapes that are meant to work with bongs (VripTechs) that can make the transition a bit easier.
Iwien I am aware of most of this, I never bothered with a cordless or a volcano for the terrible review of long time users.
By the lungs remark I wasn't saying pain-wise, just that it'll make you cough strongly for a couple minutes.
And yes, that is true, I have gotten a good amount of energetic highs, that soon turn into a couchlockish one. I figure this is because I really only vape at night and do it for sleep when I do. I guess its the tired feeling I have that changes it for me.
I still manage to utilize some of the former high before I go to sleep however, usually through a hardcore match in a FPS with my clan mates. That being because I don't have too much of a life. :D
Oh, and those vaporizing bowls for bongs discourage me, since the vapor consists of THC and pretty much only that, wouldn't a good portion bind to the water? This question came up when people started talking about "bongs don't actually get you higher, the thc will bind to the water!" and the counter arguement being "With all that smoke its insignificant!"
That and you still need a lighter which would add back some carcinogens.
I have not doubt that one can find some terrible reviews on ANY product, but I have to say that there are very few bad reviews for the 'Cano. As a matter of fact, most long time 'Cano users are SOOOO enthusiastic about their vapes, that it crosses into fanboy territory. The only negatives that I have read about the Volcano is it's price, which at one time was reasonable, but with all the good vapes coming to market, is a bit too expensive nowadays, imho.Quote:
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But I do agree with you that there are a lot more complaints about the portables than the electric units, which I think is normal being that they are exposed to more abuse because that they are not just sitting on a table. I think that this is true for ANY product, not just vaporizers.
Ok, but that's true if you take too big of a hit off of anything. Anytime you take in more than your lungs can process, you will cough, and depending on the amount you take in, you will cough strongly. Happens with bongs all the time. But........some people are more sensitive to the dry heat that vaporizers can put out, and for those a bag type vape, or a whip vape thru a bubbler can cool things down quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp35
The only thing that a lit butane lighter gives off is H2O and CO2. As long as you're not breathing in unburned butane gases, as in, holding the button down on a lighter and breathing in the unburned fumes, you are good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp35
And yeah, you do lose a bit of THC going thru water, but for many, cooling down the vapor has more of an upside by allowing them to process more vapor due to the lack of heat, but again, take in too much and you'll cough.