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Hey I just stumbled over this, pretty interesting.
It's unreal what the media DOESN'T want you to know about Obama.
Hidden Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
November 2, 2008 - 07:26 ET
(Please read update about the San Francisco Chronicle neglecting to mention Obama's willingness to bankrupt the coal industry at bottom of this blog.)Imagine if John McCain had whispered somewhere that he was willing to bankrupt a major industry? Would this declaration not immediately be front page news? Well, Barack Obama actually flat out told the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) that he was willing to see the coal industry go bankrupt in a January 17, 2008 interview. The result? Nothing. This audio interview has been hidden from the public...until now. Here is the transcript of Obama's statement about bankrupting the coal industry (emphasis mine): Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It's just that it will bankrupt them.
Amazing that this statement by Obama about bankrupting the coal industry has been kept under wraps until this time.
UPDATE: NewsBusters' Tom Blumer has found out that the San Francisco Chronicle story published on January 18 based upon this January 17 interview did not include any mention of Obama's willingness to bankrupt the coal industry which you can hear on the audio. You can read the story here when you scroll down to the "In His Own Words" section. Way to cover up for The One, SF Chronicle!
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Goodbye, TVA?
Damn, I hate reading in the dark.
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They used coal to heat the grammar school that I attended as a kid. I remember the trucks with a chute that the coal would roll down, into the basements of places that burned it.
Coal generates 54% of our electricity, and is the single biggest air polluter in the U.S.
Burning coal is a leading cause of smog, acid rain, global warming, and air toxics. In an average year, a typical coal plant generates:
- 3,700,000 tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the primary human cause of global warming--as much carbon dioxide as cutting down 161 million trees.
- 10,000 tons of sulfur dioxide (SO2), which causes acid rain that damages forests, lakes, and buildings, and forms small airborne particles that can penetrate deep into lungs.
- 500 tons of small airborne particles, which can cause chronic bronchitis, aggravated asthma, and premature death, as well as haze obstructing visibility.
- 10,200 tons of nitrogen oxide (NOx), as much as would be emitted by half a million late-model cars. NOx leads to formation of ozone (smog) which inflames the lungs, burning through lung tissue making people more susceptible to respiratory illness.
- 720 tons of carbon monoxide (CO), which causes headaches and place additional stress on people with heart disease.
- 220 tons of hydrocarbons, volatile organic compounds (VOC), which form ozone.
- 170 pounds of mercury, where just 1/70th of a teaspoon deposited on a 25-acre lake can make the fish unsafe to eat.
- 225 pounds of arsenic, which will cause cancer in one out of 100 people who drink water containing 50 parts per billion.
- 114 pounds of lead, 4 pounds of cadmium, other toxic heavy metals, and trace amounts of uranium.
coal power: air pollution | Union of Concerned Scientists
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isn't obama referring to *new* coal plants that don't meet the standard of clean coal?
YouTube - Obama Talks Coal in Elko, NV
Obama endorses clean coal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
They used coal to heat the grammar school that I attended as a kid. I remember the trucks with a chute that the coal would roll down, into the basements of places that burned it.
Coal generates 54% of our electricity, and is the single biggest air polluter in the U.S.
Burning coal is a leading cause of smog, acid rain, global warming, and air toxics. In an average year, a typical coal plant generates:
- 3,700,000 tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the primary human cause of global warming--as much carbon dioxide as cutting down 161 million trees.
- 10,000 tons of sulfur dioxide (SO2), which causes acid rain that damages forests, lakes, and buildings, and forms small airborne particles that can penetrate deep into lungs.
- 500 tons of small airborne particles, which can cause chronic bronchitis, aggravated asthma, and premature death, as well as haze obstructing visibility.
- 10,200 tons of nitrogen oxide (NOx), as much as would be emitted by half a million late-model cars. NOx leads to formation of ozone (smog) which inflames the lungs, burning through lung tissue making people more susceptible to respiratory illness.
- 720 tons of carbon monoxide (CO), which causes headaches and place additional stress on people with heart disease.
- 220 tons of hydrocarbons, volatile organic compounds (VOC), which form ozone.
- 170 pounds of mercury, where just 1/70th of a teaspoon deposited on a 25-acre lake can make the fish unsafe to eat.
- 225 pounds of arsenic, which will cause cancer in one out of 100 people who drink water containing 50 parts per billion.
- 114 pounds of lead, 4 pounds of cadmium, other toxic heavy metals, and trace amounts of uranium.
coal power: air pollution | Union of Concerned Scientists
Clean coal is pretty dirty stuff!
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dude, if we was gonna think like that we were still burning trees
times change so do our perspectives, coal was good to propel our economy in the we needed the boost, now there is technology out there and we only need to expand it
i dont see whats wrong with new coal-powered plants being more expensive due to pollution burden they impose on everyone while clean energy plants like wind and solar getting a break or receiving an incentive
the only losers on such a thing will be the coal miners and their industry... smarter ones will be looking out for retraining from now. more stubborn ones would like to keep it they way its been for so many years
the same shit with US companies pushing them gas guzzlers to people, guess what? gas prices reached a level where all those sweet traditionalistic dreams turned to real nightmares forcing assembly lines and dealers who didnt put their eggs into more than one basket (including all the people who worked for them without having a plan B) to shut down. only the smarter ones quickly read the market and did the switch
Ford n Chevy just closed their eyes and said its not gonna happen, why do we bother with all the crap for designing fuel efficient and newer cars and concepts, we keep making the boxes n people will be duped into our "truck month" ads n everything will be gravy... too bad, people woke up when they were paying $100 or more for one week's gas cost within 3-4 years of paying $30-$40
so if people involved in coal industry are smart, they can only read the future, look the best they can do is to delay this and fool themselves, it will happen eventually, so better take proper action to be able to cope
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Ha ha! Ding dong Palin is out there spinning her liberal media cover-up conspiracy theories again, and Kush fell for it. Obama's and McCain's cap-and-trade plans are pretty much the same, and the audio and video of this supposedly "secret" interview have been available on SF Gate's website for 9 months!
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Palin knocks Obama over months-old coal comments
Posted: 06:40 PM ET
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
MARIETTA, Ohio (CNN) ?? Campaigning in coal country just two days before the presidential election, Sarah Palin is highlighting an interview Barack Obama gave to the San Francisco Chronicle in January in which the Democrat suggested coal plants would be bankrupted by his cap-and-trade proposal.
Audio of Obama??s comments began bubbling up on major conservative blogs over the last 24 hours, and Palin wondered why voters were only now hearing about the remarks. The insinuation that the Chronicle had been hiding the coal comments from the public brought about shouts of ??Liberal media!? from the crowd.
??Why is the audio tape just now surfacing?,? Palin asked. ??This interview was given to San Francisco folks many, many months ago. You should have known about this, so that you would have better decision-making information as you go into the voting booth.?
Contrary to her attempts to portray a media cover-up, audio and video recordings of Obama??s January 17 sit-down with the Chronicle editorial board have been freely available online for more than nine months.
In the interview, Obama said that his ??aggressive? cap-and-trade plan would charge polluters for every unit of carbon or greenhouse gas they emit, a plan that would render polluting coal plants financially unviable.
??So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,? he said. ??It??s just that it will bankrupt them because they??re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that??s being emitted.?
In the interview, Obama also made the case for alternative energy sources, adding that he does not believe coal production will be eliminated, and that he supports carbon capture and sequestration technologies.
John McCain also supports a market-based cap-and-trade proposal to reduce carbon emissions.
Regardless, Palin sought to use Obama??s words against him in a part of the country where coal has long been king.
??He said that, sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he's comfortable letting that happen.?
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At least you still have a coal industry, when I was a wee boy there were 17 working pits within a 25 mile radius of my house now there is only one and it is only working at around half capacity.
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