Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
Fact Check: Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
The Statement
In an ad titled "Hunter," aired Monday, September 22, the National Rifle Association asserts that Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama has voted to ban common ammunition and supports banning shotguns and rifles used by hunters. "Now I learn that Barack Obama supports a huge new tax on my guns and ammo," the narrator of the ad says. "If you can believe it, he also supports a ban on the shotguns and rifles most of us use for hunting."
Get the facts after the jump!
The Facts
On his campaign Web site, Obama says he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns." As CNN reported, Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, told supporters at a Virginia rally on Saturday, September 20, "I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns. So don't buy that malarkey. They're going to start peddling that to you. I've got two and if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem."
Obama supports reinstating former President Bill Clinton's ban on assault rifles, closing what he calls a loophole that lets people buy handguns at gun shows without the same rigorous background checks as at stores and what his Web site calls "commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them." He has publicly supported the right of local governments to have handgun bans and, as a state senator, cosponsored a failed bill that would have limited handgun sales to one per month.
To support its claims, the NRA ad prints three references at the bottom of the screen â?? a 2005 Senate vote, a 2004 Senate debate with Republican opponent Alan Keyes and a 1999 article in the Chicago Defender. The vote, which the ad calls an effort "to ban virtually all deer-hunting ammunition," was an unsuccessful effort to expand the legal definition of armor-piercing ammunition to include pistol and rifle rounds that the U.S. attorney general deemed more likely to penetrate body armor than a normal round. In a Senate speech, the amendment's sponsor, Sen. Edward Kennedy, said it was not aimed at ammunition used for hunting. In addition, the vote itself wouldn't have singled out any ammunition â?? instead leaving the decision on what, if anything, to ban up to the attorney general.
The claim Obama would push a "ban on shotguns and rifles most of us use for hunting" is pegged to this quote from the 2004 debate: "Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits, from what I can tell, with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."
The 1999 article in the Chicago Defender paraphrases a speech by Obama â?? then a state senator â?? in which it says he promoted a plan to "increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] â?? weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths." Obama's exact words aren't documented. But, as a state senator, Obama would have had no control over federal taxes and, as a U.S. senator, he has neither introduced nor suggested such a plan.
The Verdict: Misleading. While Obama has supported some measures to limit gun rights, he has backed nothing on the scale suggested in the ad.
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Joe Biden, told supporters at a Virginia rally on Saturday, September 20, "I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns. So don't buy that malarkey. They're going to start peddling that to you. I've got two and if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem."
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Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
No offense but I do not see where in the constitution is states what kind of arms we can have just that we can have them.
Any other gun law is not required.
Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
I aint no hypocrite.
in theory i find the common perception of right to arms a wrong one. I find that as the right to rebel against the government in case shit went seriously wrong, aka a collective right for people not individuals.
But given the reality, I'm practically the one who would own a gun if had the situation to.
there are some crazy people out there. although legal issues of shooting a bullet can be adverse if things go wrong, but still owning a gun is kind of a necessity in this day and time.
Semi or full, handgun or rfile... whatever it takes to be prepared to defend yourself.
I vouch for a luxury Kalashnikov AK-47!!!!
I wouldnt have a problem with registering for the arms i own even if its mandatory.
however this is not a guns topic. its an informative topic about a false ad, period.
Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
-Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
-FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
-Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
-Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
-2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
-Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
-Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
-Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
-Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
-Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Barack Obama on the Issues
I find this to be the best "fact check".:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
-Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
-FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
-Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
-Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
-2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
-Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
-Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
-Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
-Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
-Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Barack Obama on the Issues
I find this to be the best "fact check".:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
well said. however, none of this constitutes to a BAN of such weapons as portrayed in the ad.
a BAN is a ban. When u ban some1 from this forum, its not like they cant post any more but can still give reputation or something of the limited access sort is it now?
Its a ban. That said, he has clearly worked on some gun restrictions which do not constitute a ban and thats the point of this thread, the mentioned ad is portraying him as a complete anti-gun lunatic.
just 2 be fair from the very same source u used, McCain's stance:
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* I know how to use guns; but I don't own one. (Nov 2007)
* Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
* Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
* Calls for GOP "tolerance" of closing gun show loopholes. (May 2002)
* Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
* Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
* Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
* Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
* Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
* Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
* Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
* Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
* Allow firearms in National Parks. (Feb 2008)
Does Obama want to ban guns and rifles?
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Originally Posted by flyingimam
well said. however, none of this constitutes to a BAN of such weapons as portrayed in the ad.
Exactly why I posted that...better to have the facts than some so called "journalists" revision.
Have a good one!:s4:
