Mums Sick??

As you can tell, I have been topping the shit outta these girls to be good mums. The have not received any extra nutes yet.Just water, and the FFoF, Roots, and seed starting soil mix, (end of the bags), and about 30% perlite.

Now the ladies are about 7-8 in tall, and MANY side branches/clone sites.
Well now, half of them are going completely purple on the stems, stalk and starting to go into the leaf veins.HELP!!!!! Dont see how rootbound can be an issue on such small plants in 1 gal pots, they have only been in the pots for 3 weeks from rockwool. So deficiency? Lockout? Light issue? dunno.....
whiskeytango


None of the mothers where like this...Few purple streaks on the stalk and leaf stems, but nothing this bad..

According to the Bible, it looks like Phosphorus (P) deficiency.

Caused by:
pH above 7 (P cannot be absorbed properly) or
pH below 5.8 and/or an excess of iron & zinc or
Soil has become fixated (chemically bound) with phosphates (?)

Looks like:
Stunted an very slow growth plants
Dark bluish-green leaves, often with dark blotches
Plants are smaller overall
Stems, leaf stems and main veins turn reddish-purple starting on the leaf's underside

Treat by:
Lowering pH to 5.5 - 6.5 for potting soils so P will become available.
Use Super Bloom fertilizers (designed for flowering) to add P

Hope this helps WT :thumbsup:

Spiggs

Stealth short bushy plants have tons of roots too.....you can't go by the height of your plants root needs if you've been topping and lsting.......transplant to larger pot asap!

So how do people keep plants much larger than this for a long time without getting rootbound? Am I gonna be able to do 1 gal pots throughout the room Like we planned? I need to be able to keep them in 1 gals. To keep them from getting rootbound, should I send them into flowering earlier? I dunno...shits aggravating as hell...I have had 3ft plants all day in 3 gals and them not get rootbound...I added the perlite, lots...lol
Sorry for the ranting, lol...If I transplant the mums to 3gal, as long as they are getting haircuts monthy, will they be able to maintain in 3 gal? The way I have been pruning them was to keep em small so they could stay in smaller pots...IDK...Shit man, I have seen bonsai moms larger than these in 4.5in pots!!! So what am I doing wrong?!?!?
whiskeytango

Please know none of this frustration is directed to you WH, lol.

AFAIK, you have to trim the rootball from time to time with bonzai moms... twice a year maybe?

weird that your plants seem to always get rootbound WT, doesnt make sense to me... :wtf:

spiggs

dude they look hungry! feed them you might have over watered also
I saw in the book Griffin's Spin-Out contianing copper hydroxide painted inside containers to prune roots ? may help rootbound issues?

oh yea i forgot i doubt they are rootbound have you had a look at rootmass? i gave that info(copperhydroxide) for future reference also i saw some nice 2 gal and 3 gal pots @ lowes but if your planing on doing full grow in 1gal containers you might want to check out the (CH) says its way too prune the roots ;)

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Even if you trim the foliage, the roots keep growing. (hopefully)
Slip the rootball out, and see if it's rootbound. If it is, transplant to a larger pot, or look in my signature for Bonsai techniques. If rootbound, overwatering doesn't compensate for lack of rootspace.
If you decide to bonsai, take cuttings first. (just in case)

Do NOT bring your water pH to 5.5-6.5! :eek: The correct pH for potting soils is 6.5-6.9, and soilless 6.3-6.6.
Looks like low soil pH causing lockout and rootbound causing crappy soil chem.
Is that a pot with a built-in catch tray?
Get it off and check your runoff pH. Also slide the plant out when the root ball is dry and look at the roots.
I foliar feed with GH Micro while I am trying to solve these sorts of things, to bypass the roots and allow feeding to continue while the problem is sorted.

You may be ready for a re-pot. Either way, I'd do it- your soil chem is off and needs fixin'. Flush @ 6.9, feed lightly @ 6.9, allow to dry, re-pot into fresh light soil in a slightly larger pot.

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

So how do people keep plants much larger than this for a long time without getting rootbound? Am I gonna be able to do 1 gal pots throughout the room Like we planned? I need to be able to keep them in 1 gals. To keep them from getting rootbound, should I send them into flowering earlier? I dunno...shits aggravating as hell...I have had 3ft plants all day in 3 gals and them not get rootbound...I added the perlite, lots...lol
Sorry for the ranting, lol...If I transplant the mums to 3gal, as long as they are getting haircuts monthy, will they be able to maintain in 3 gal? The way I have been pruning them was to keep em small so they could stay in smaller pots...IDK...Shit man, I have seen bonsai moms larger than these in 4.5in pots!!! So what am I doing wrong?!?!?
whiskeytango

Please know none of this frustration is directed to you WH, lol.

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Well you can keep a mother in a 1 gallon pot for an indefinite period of time, however you have to keep trimming the root ball. I believe you can remove up to 25% of the root mass without it stressing the plant too much.

However if you do this you need to trim the top also. I learned very quickly in my last LST grow that bushy plants make massive root systems.

I think a good rule of thumb from being able to judge your root space is to look at the foliage on the plant. How much do you have.. does it seem to overwhelm the pot? If so then it's probably time to transplant.

I have a good link that teaches how to bonsai moms and how to maintain the root mass. I'll see if I can find it after power is restored to my house from Hurricane Ike. :hippy: