there is no f-ing way that Karma exist....prove me wrong!!!

today was one of the first time in months i was able to get out and go do something with my GF. We went to the Gravenstein Apple fair in Sebastopol, Ca. Really cool event with lots of great food and booths. I stopped by a local honey producer/bee keeper booth. We talked about his honey and his bees, a few of which were flying around. I commented on the bees...if they bothered people. "a few." we laughed, and i said how wonderful bees are and that i had never been stung in my life. I told him i thought it was cause i never freak when bees are around. just keep my cool and we leave each other alone. He said that was a good idea! so we buy four different type of honey. Lets recap: I say how wonderful bees are and support my local bee man. An hour later i was traveling down a highway at 60MPH...and wham a bee flies ass first into my neck and for the first time is 30 years of life Im stung by a bee. F-ing hurts. now I ask you HOW IN THE WORLD DOES KARMA EXIST if one the day out of thousands that Im being nice to bees they do this!!!!! LOL..... Karma, thats rich!

I think it is perfect karma! You purchased their stolen honey, they ruined your day by stinging you in the neck. Makes sense to me :jointsmile:

first off, i know i cannot PROVE karma exists to you... i guess i will just share some thoughts on the idea of it...

i always look at it as the unseen version of one of newton's laws of motion... for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

does it work that for every good thing done there will be an immediate good thing that happens back? no... vice-versa for bad things...

i think it happens more on an overall collection of tendencies... i think it often manifests itself in indirect ways... meaning that if you give someone who needs money some cash you won't necessarily receive cash one day when you need it... i think it happens more like you establish a habit of generosity in life and you receive generosity someday when someone has the opportunity to sue you and they don't or something.

it also extends beyond this life... karma built up in past lives floods over into this life and karma from this life will floods over into the next. if you try to look at a single event and expect to recognize its effect is like putting a drop of water into an ocean and expecting to see a difference... does it have an effect? absolutely... just not recognizable to the naked eye.

last thought is to look at the whole picture... you were nice to a few bees one day and got stung... there was hope that your single action would have equal reaction... it didn't and that sucks! but think of all the bees and insects you have killed in your life... good thing the insect community doesn't repay you for those actions! i bet you have come out far on top with only 1 sting in thirty years!

Look up the chaos theory, it may give you some insight...

I, myself, am a firm believer of karma..

Think about all the corrupt, greedy, close-minded people that achieve great power and wealth.... and then all the good-hearted people that live in poverty or illness. Karma's not real, there's only laws of averages... and bell curves..... stuff like that.

Yeah, you did buy some stolen honey, and maybe you killed a few insects with your car as well. Or perhaps you spitefully reminded the universe or whatever gods you believe in that you'd never been stung so your place in line was expedited to give you that new life experience. better to be stung by one bee than to piss off a whole hive of those lil bastards.....

Look on the bright side, at least now you know that you're not allergic to bee stings!

lol, that seems more like an ironic, murphy's law kind of thing.

karma has more to do with behavior, and the behavior of others. "golden rule" type stuff. it is said that karma is in existence to better the behavior and thust he lives of everyone it touches. supposedly, doing good will make others do good, and so on. paying it forward, so to speak.

my point is, if karma really existed and worked, and only enhanced the good that is done, then wtf is up with all the bad? if karma is there to make things better, and things are seemingly getting worse, then... does karma not exist?

Doing "good", is likely going to make the doer feel as good as whomever or whatever had the deed done for, or to them. This is a glimpse of Karma. Karma cannot be realized because the second you expect something from a deed you have done, it no longer becomes selfless. Selfless action is what moves you to the front of the karmic line, and when your there you can't know it, or you are transported to the rear.
So if your expecting good karma for yourself, ie you bought honey, you aint gonna get it....

i believe there are two types of Karma. There is the kind discribed above, like doing good deeds and banking them for next lives. Then there is the kind you experienced, INSTANT Karma. Like the guy said, Never say never and never say always. You got stung randomly, tho possibly because of the bee honey. But more likely it was random or a case of Never say Never. I NEVER got poison oak, used to cut poison oak round here. then one night after the husband cut brush, i woke with a hand print of poison oak on my side (he apparently didnt get all the oil off his hands before bed, thank god we did no more than go to sleep that night!) I am fifty and had never had poison oak, tho i had been stung by fifty bees once when i a kid. So, now bee stings dont hurt cept when they first sting. Go figure. Karma can not be proved, cept INSTANT karma is real noticable.

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

Think about all the corrupt, greedy, close-minded people that achieve great power and wealth.... and then all the good-hearted people that live in poverty or illness. Karma's not real, there's only laws of averages... and bell curves..... stuff like that.

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So true!

I dont believe in karma because of this very reason! Its nice to believe that the dude who stole my plants is gonna get his but in all likelihood it wont happen. Sure something bad is gonna happen to him sometime in his life but is this going to be in direct result to what he did to me?

My belief is that positive people with positive attitudes are usually going to have a more positive day (and are most likely going to stay out of trouble). Negative people are going to be much more likely to get in trouble or do something stupid.

For example the guy who stole my plants. If he is willing to steal my plants then of course he would do it to someone else and eventually someone will see him and beat his stupid ass! Or he will get caught with lots of pot and go to jail. People who make crazy decisions are more likely to do bad things and then get in trouble. This goes both ways. Someone who does a lot of good for people is more likely to get good in return than the asshole taking everybodyâ??s plants! Get it?

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Originally Posted by allrollsin21

Doing "good", is likely going to make the doer feel as good as whomever or whatever had the deed done for, or to them. This is a glimpse of Karma. Karma cannot be realized because the second you expect something from a deed you have done, it no longer becomes selfless. Selfless action is what moves you to the front of the karmic line, and when your there you can't know it, or you are transported to the rear.
So if your expecting good karma for yourself, ie you bought honey, you aint gonna get it....

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wow... damn, now I finally understand the real meaning of the story about the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden.... it wasn't about "oh shit I'm naked and ashamed!" it's more like "hey I can think for myself now, oh shit I see I have tons of problems now too!"

If ignorance is bliss, then all events are relatively meaningless and unextraordinary.
The opposite means that we go nuts trying to decipher the inner workings of why good and bad things happen. It's maddening to understand karma.