First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
This is my first post here but I have been lurking in the shadows for a little while now. I have read and reread a lot of posts here and I have come to 2 conclusions. I still, at my age enjoy studying and learning things I never thought I would be interested in and there is a wealth of information that I have been soaking up like a sponge.
I am in the process of writing a book ;) and need some help. I would like some feedback as to whether my story is feasible or not, if this were to actually take place in real life. Please share your thoughts, opinions and if you disagree with any part of my story, please tell me why it won??t work. If you have anything to add, please feel free. The story goes something like this. This is a human-interest story but details are very important.
For the sake of simplicity I will speak of myself as if I were the wife. (I am female ?? nothing else is similar to me or my life.)
Ok, there is a husband and wife and the wife is a recreational/unqualified medical smoker and the husband is not. I (the wife) will never be a non-smoker, unless of course, I vaporize. I am over 50 by some years, 2nd marriage with a total of 6 children. All over the age of 21. I am self employed as a reseller (that is not making any money to speak of right now due to the economy) and my husband is now working in a mediocre job, making far less than he did, after being left go from a company he was with for many years. We own a home, and it is increasingly difficult to keep up with our financial responsibilities as it is, and it will get worse as soon as this job ends for my husband, which is within 6 to 9 months, if we are lucky. Nothing on the horizon at this point as far as a job in his usual field. So we have decided to try to make a living in ??plant management?. Due to family dynamics, mother and dad still alive but not well, very small town, we are fairly well known to most LEO??s as our kids have not reached the ??upstanding citizen? phase of their life yet. Our home was raided once for plants growing in our yard, which came as a result of trusting someone we should not have. I got a paraphernalia charge out of it. Nothing since. One kid got possession of a small amount pleaded down from a felony charge of manufacture, delivery, etc. Everyone else was fine.
Okay, here is a hypothetical scenario and I am asking for lots of advice and info to be sure I have as many bases covered as possible. We want to save our house from a potential foreclosure, which we are NOT behind at all, but look to be in the next couple of months if we don??t do something soon. My hubby and I are in full agreement on most of this but we still are working out the details. If you think I am full of it, tell me I am, but please tell me why. I am learning as much as possible before I complete this book.
We live in State A. Growing in State A is out of the question for many reasons, but mainly safety. We are looking at leasing our house out in State A (which would be a financially sound thing to do) and moving to State B. In State B, we will find a place to rent, preferably from an absentee landlord and in a rural area. We would like to find a place with a basement and 3 bedrooms and a garage. That gives us several options to do our plant management work. My hubby will work in State B and we will live a very normal life. I will continue to run my business from State B and move product (restored furniture) to State A (which is through 5 states) to continue my business. Except for what we need to live in State B, everything else will remain in State A for when we return to live in our home. A year or 2 at best. We have several large ticket items we will be selling to make the move and purchase our overhead for our new adventure. We will use gift cards/cash to purchase EVERYTHING that has to do with this new adventure. And any ongoing new supplies. After looking at all the various ways of growing, we have decided to go with soil to start. I have read the post that Tranoble started ??The Sealed Room? which is the model we are going to go with. I have read the thread several times and my only questions with the set up have to do with the nutrients. But I will get that down pat too. It is just going to take some more studying. We are going to start with a 4 light system and plenty of odor control. We don??t expect any visits from family, friends, etc. but we will set up like we are. Only 2 people will ever know about this and that is me and my spouse. We are best friends, been married many years and trust each other with our lives. Okay so good so far?
We have decided that if Northern Lights will work with Tranoble??s system, we are going to go with that. Need to do some more research on strain to be sure. Our first grow will have to be from seed and then we will clone from there. Okay, so in less that 90 days from germinating, we should have a crop to ??distribute?. The product will be in State B (where we know not a single soul) and we need to move it to State A.
Since I have never ever sold, only bought, I am in a precarious situation. I have 3 people I purchase from and only 2 know me personally. The other source is a friend to one of my kids whom I have never met. I prefer to sell to only one person at a very good price per unit, but I am not sure that is feasible. If I understand Tranoble??s figures correctly, I am talking about 10 to 12 pounds every 60 to 90 days if done properly. According to my research, wholesaling in this area could potentially gross 24,000 minimally with each harvest. My sources do not have that kind of money. I really prefer not to retail as I think it is very risky, or I am fairly uncomfortable doing that. In order to minimize the chance of my friend being a snitch if they would be caught would be to commit to them the money to pay for a lawyer who specializes in criminal drug defense. It would be security to them knowing that they would be given every chance to minimize the damages of a conviction without snitching.
I think there are 3 options to move plant product from State B to State A. Option #1 would be to use USPS/UPS/FEDEX/DHL and I believe that I would probably go to WalMart, buy a highly scented 3 wick candle, remove the label on the bottom, drill a hole from the bottom up to almost the top, fill the hole with product wrapped in foil, baggie, saran wrap, etc, melt some of the wax removed from the hole and fill the remaining space with melted wax and put the label back on the bottom. I could ship the candle with either no return addy or from a home based candle business, Candy??s Candles. I would send to the correct address, just a different name and never require a signature. Being asked to sign would be a tip that something isn??t right and give the receiver the option of saying that noone with that name lives there. If anyone knows some statistics as to who among the carriers has the lowest rate of confiscation, please let me know. Also, what are your thoughts on sending with no return addy or from a candle business. Which seems to be safest? Of course, I would be sending priority or ground, but the fastest way possible so as to not have my candle melt at all. I want my receiver to be happy with their candle.
Option #2. Just make a trip home every 3 or so months to visit family and check on my parents. Use a fairly new truck, with some great space under seats to stash. The truck has no tint, always registered and inspected and kept up with. Husband is a very good driver, not too fast or slow, is aware of turn signals, etc. We will only travel with our dogs and only during rain. Not sure if day or night would make any difference. Any thoughts? I could also use these same circumstances and instead of going to State A every time, I could agree to meet my friend at any place along the route. Meet for dinner, etc and make the exchange.
Option #3 would be to acquire a tag along, Uhaul or personally owned, and prepare my product very well, slip it into the drawer of a piece of restored furniture. Place it into the trailer first with the drawers facing the back towards the hitch. Fill the rest of the trailer full of furniture, etc that I will be returning to State A for my business and again travel with my puppies, in the rain. It would only ever be my husband and I traveling just looking like a bunch of old farts. We also have given some though to getting a travel trailer and moving product that way as then we will have a place to stay when we come to State A.
My story is about an average lower middle-class family just trying to get by and due to the economy and job loss and facing the prospect of loosing everything that they have worked all their lives for their children to have a little bit easier time. The only thing they have left is their home and they are going to do their damndest to hang onto it, even if it could potentially mean getting caught, but hopefully are blessed enough with proper information not to.
My story is going to assume that enough money is made to payoff the house and vehicle within a year to year and a half and hopefully by then, the job market will be better. This is simply a short-term plan to keep our heads above water. The total debt is less that 150,000 but value in the home is about 50,000 more than is owed. I will fight to the end to save the house. That really is the point of my story, that desperate people do what they have to to try to hold onto what they have worked for all their adult lives . This couple feels if they can pull this off without getting caught they are empowering themselves and their family. The husband is working a job that he is way to old to be doing but he is there 12 hours a day 5 days a week. This is going to kill him and his wife refuses to go down without a fight.
Now, here is where I am really not educated enough to finish the story. I need to figure our how we get from where we have some pretty serious cash (at least to us) and turn it into our future. I am not asking anyone to tell how to break the law, I am asking for ideas and then maybe the ideas can be developed to give my story an ending reflecting the battle that was fought and won without being caught. This is not a story about greed or never having enough stuff. It is about a mom and dad doing what they need to in a safe way and then walking away when their plan is accomplished. If you were this couple and you were able to produce this kind of money, how would one go about paying off the house and vehicle and do some additional remodeling that still needs done with the cash? Bank records can be traced so going through the bank is not an option, I would not think. I would think that any increase in activity would alert someone. I don??t know if opening additional accounts at various other banks/credit unions would do the trick. Can one walk into the bank with $150,000 and pay off their mortgage in cash without question? Or their vehicle for $20,000? Can one purchase a home with cash? What if someone handed you 100,000 and said you can have it but you can never tell anyone where you got it, what would you do?
Please comment, rip apart and tell me what I am missing or what additional information needs to be included in the story. If it is the dumbest scenario you ever heard, tell me that too, but tell me why.
I truly appreciate you taking the time to read this and comment as you can.
Thanks, this is my first post but will not be my last. I love these forums
LittleNut
The Greatest Oak was once a little nut that held it??s ground.
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
To implement that scheme would be the biggest mistake of your lives. Just my :twocents:
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
What are your reasons for your opinion? Lots of people can say it will or will not work, but tell me why.
Thanks
LittleNut
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
Hmmm, I don't think discussing growing with the intent to sell or how much your fictional family can expect to make or how they can pay of their mortgage is a subject for this forum, that's my opinion anyhow. Perhaps you would be better writing a different book.
NCM
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
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Originally Posted by LittleNut
What are your reasons for your opinion? Lots of people can say it will or will not work, but tell me why.
Thanks
LittleNut
It's too dangerous, and unless the person start small, and learn the ropes from professionals, the risks FAR outweigh the benefits. Remember, there are VERY heavly laws against these activities and one could certainly lose everything if they got caught, not to mention getting locked up. There is also the risk of being ripped off, or worse. There are a lot of predators out there, who have no value of human life. This level of a business in the undgergournd economy takes experience, security, and a lot of knowledge. All it takes is one bad incident, which WILL happen eventually - sooner if you don't have extensive knowledge of what you are doing.
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
Breukelen advocaat: Yes, the risk is quite high, there is no doubt. As I have said, I have been raided once and I know how awful it is. I have researched the laws in each state and in my story, State B is the closest to my state with the less severe penalties. I know it is important to keep your plant count to under a certain number in order to minimize the risk. That is being taken into consideration. The other reason for moving to another state is the electric bill cannot be compared for at least a year, by which time it is planned to be back in State A and not returning to State B. From what I have gathered, it is not the size of the electric bill, it is a spike in your electric bill with no feasible explanation. Now granted, if you just added a tanning bed to your household or a massive heater for your pool, then there is an increase, but it is explanable. You cannot be raided based on an electric bill alone. I don't beleive a judge would sign a search warrent because a person electric bill goes up. There has to be more "evidence" than that. The 2 biggest ways to raise suspicion is to run your mouth or be stupid and sloppy. There is NO doubt, one must scrutinize every move carefully.
I agree that an apprentice grower should have some guidance from a professional, but in my story I don't kow a professional grower, except what I learn from boards like this. You can soak up so much information, but then you just have to have confidence and faith and go for it. You will either succeed or you will fail. Since failing carries many many risk, it is imperative that you think each move through. Such as moving product in the rain and always traveling with a dog. Very few LEO want to stand in the rain for hours for a little bit of weed. And traveling with an animal certainly has to minimize the choice to search or not. There has to be some common sense in order to accomplish this. I believe you can learn anything except common sense. You either have it or you don't.
Research shows that the guaranteed way to get caught is to run your mouth. If only 2 people know and are committed to each other as life partners, who is going to talk? He would not do that nor would she. This is a married couple who have grown up and are going to grow old together. I would never suggest you do this with anyone but a committed partner or by yourself. That is not to say that things can't go wrong, such as a flat tire, etc. but based on our age, etc, the risk is less than that of a 17 to 25 year old who is riding around in a BMW while he is attending college. I am also white, which makes a difference. Not that it should, but reality is it does. I have to believe that given the choice of pulling over a 50ish white couple in a 7 year old truck is not their first choice in looking to make a bust. There still has to be probable cause and I don't believe I fit the profile. We spent the first part of the year traveling 2 times to a place that is 1600 miles from where we live. 10 states we passed through and saw lots of searches happening in every state and even was caught up in a drug checkpoint and all they did was motion us through. Yes we were lucky, but we were not acting or looking suspicious. We are a middle age couple with a few gray hairs showing and bifocals.
Nightcrewman: 98 percent of everything discussed on this board is illegal. Illegal is illegal. As my bible says, no one sin is greater than the other. The penalties may vary but to tell me that I should not be posting this illegal scenario is mute, considering the nature of this board. If you have a problem with my discussion, you always have the option not to join in. I am not asking anyone who feels uncomfortable to say anything. There are several posts on here that I am uncomfortable with, so I don't participate.
Thanks for all replies
LittleNut
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
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Originally Posted by LittleNut
This is my first post here but I have been lurking in the shadows for a little while now. I have read and reread a lot of posts here and I have come to 2 conclusions. I still, at my age enjoy studying and learning things I never thought I would be interested in and there is a wealth of information that I have been soaking up like a sponge.
I am in the process of writing a book ;) and need some help. I would like some feedback as to whether my story is feasible or not, if this were to actually take place in real life. Please share your thoughts, opinions and if you disagree with any part of my story, please tell me why it won??t work. If you have anything to add, please feel free. The story goes something like this. This is a human-interest story but details are very important.
For the sake of simplicity I will speak of myself as if I were the wife. (I am female ?? nothing else is similar to me or my life.)
Ok, there is a husband and wife and the wife is a recreational/unqualified medical smoker and the husband is not. I (the wife) will never be a non-smoker, unless of course, I vaporize. I am over 50 by some years, 2nd marriage with a total of 6 children. All over the age of 21. I am self employed as a reseller (that is not making any money to speak of right now due to the economy) and my husband is now working in a mediocre job, making far less than he did, after being left go from a company he was with for many years. We own a home, and it is increasingly difficult to keep up with our financial responsibilities as it is, and it will get worse as soon as this job ends for my husband, which is within 6 to 9 months, if we are lucky. Nothing on the horizon at this point as far as a job in his usual field. So we have decided to try to make a living in ??plant management?. Due to family dynamics, mother and dad still alive but not well, very small town, we are fairly well known to most LEO??s as our kids have not reached the ??upstanding citizen? phase of their life yet. Our home was raided once for plants growing in our yard, which came as a result of trusting someone we should not have. I got a paraphernalia charge out of it. Nothing since. One kid got possession of a small amount pleaded down from a felony charge of manufacture, delivery, etc. Everyone else was fine.
Okay, here is a hypothetical scenario and I am asking for lots of advice and info to be sure I have as many bases covered as possible. We want to save our house from a potential foreclosure, which we are NOT behind at all, but look to be in the next couple of months if we don??t do something soon. My hubby and I are in full agreement on most of this but we still are working out the details. If you think I am full of it, tell me I am, but please tell me why. I am learning as much as possible before I complete this book..
Honestly I just stopped there. I am a douche bag so I apologize waaay up front if you take any offense to what I am going to say. It's not meant to be offensive at all, it is just my honest opinion. It's just that you asked for that basically so please read this with a smile and realize I don't know you and you don't know me, and let's just keep it between us ok.
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I think you are full of shit, option C, I am not saying this in a mean or insulting way. Just very matter of fact ok. You left that option out there as an option, it's just what I think.
2.
None of the "hypothetical story" seems realistic in anyway and there is a large amount of naivety with regard to growing in my very humble and not at all experienced opinion. Maybe it's that easy and I am wrong. Don't get me wrong, I know anything is possible. But not fucking likely.;)
It just sounds like a lame episode of weeds on showtime, (by the way I fucking hate that show. Sorry I know this makes me a narc so just save it flamers!;):jawdropper::jawdropper::jawdropper::jaw dropper::jawdropper:
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3.
(Remember I just think you are full of shit, that's the premise for me.)
You should just get a job, wait tables, do something. You aren't going to loose your house unless you want to so pull yourself together. It's likely that you could go 6 months behind before they even started foreclosing, and then you could likely have many many more months. Until a judge makes a judgment and slams that gavel, you could at any point halt the proceedings possibly IF it even gets to that point.
So pull yourself together and go serve some tables or whatever it'll save your life.
You will be amazed, if you are willing to work hard, not lazy, and accountable, you can succeed in anything, no matter how "menial" it may be. If it affords you the ability to stay in your home then great huh?
If this is really a "story" that you came up with then just disregard everything I say, I am sorry I just don't believe that. If you are telling the truth then sorry I am just a douche. If you have been lurking and reading you probably already know this.:D:stoned::D
I will reserve my opinion of the story. But I will tell you this, it's not a good opinion, it would be a negative one. Sorry really not relevant, I am sure some folks will enjoy just not me.
But I don't really believe you are "writing a story". To me it doesn't seem very likely, or interesting at all. Some of it seems ignorant.
Guess I just gave my opinion sorry, see that's why I didn't want to because I suck and am an asshole. I can't help it I guess it's just because I eat too many of those Welch's Fruit Snacks, I think they are making me crazy!
Good luck with the story.:wtf:
Get a job.:thumbsup::jointsmile::thumbsup:
And, this shouldn't be in the "legal" section, maybe it could get tugged over to a more appropriate section like the lounge? I dunno? Welcome to the community. I am sure you will get alot of ideas here LittleNut.:thumbsup:
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
First Post- Long - Need help with theory and information
QUOTE "Please comment, rip apart and tell me what I am missing or what additional information needs to be included in the story. If it is the dumbest scenario you ever heard, tell me that too, but tell me why.
Nightcrewman: 98 percent of everything discussed on this board is illegal. Illegal is illegal. As my bible says, no one sin is greater than the other. The penalties may vary but to tell me that I should not be posting this illegal scenario is mute, considering the nature of this board. If you have a problem with my discussion, you always have the option not to join in. I am not asking anyone who feels uncomfortable to say anything. There are several posts on here that I am uncomfortable with, so I don't participate."
So what is it to be, what are you actually looking for here in this forum. You either want opinions or you don't, or do you only want opinions that you agree with.
NCM
