Ok, I shall respond for ya... I usually try to with your political threads, just missed this one..
First, I find it quite amusing that you only posted the first half of the "Two Extreme Pastors" article.. :D
Obama's pastor does sound a bit... off...
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
[COLOR="DarkRed"]"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America.
I don't know what he is talking about, the Gov giving out drugs (where? :stoned::stoned:) but he has a point regarding unequal treatment of minority groups (but not just African Americans) regarding drug laws. The rich white men get small fines or probation for coke use (and maybe a year or two at most for trafficking, if that) while the minorities (who are much lower income and thus cannot afford powdered coke) receive lengthy prison sentences, up to 5x longer than that of their counterparts, for the rock form of the substance. Also, drug law enforcement is rarely targeted in wealthy neighborhoods, and often dealt with much more leniently.
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"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Is he just talking about just black citizens here? If he included poor people, veterans, homosexuals, non-violent criminals, and foreign countries in this statement, than I believe he would be right on the money. The U.S. does think it is entitled to some God given supremacy and treats many groups as less than human.
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"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that."
You can't argue with that one... the U.S. is definitely controlled by rich, white people... mostly from Washington.
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"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't. Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."
Didn't Bill do ALOT to help minority groups, especially African Americans? There are still many African Americans that have strong ties to the Clinton family because of Bill's work and for the Rev to say that it makes it him sick when blacks vote for Hillary is not only misleading, but unethical as he is in a position that greatly influences many people.
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Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.
Yea, Farrakhan is a fool. But we can't say "well because Obama knows a pastor and that pastor happens to like some old racist... .."
I saw this plantation house that had Confederate flags everywhere and almost as many Ron Paul signs in the yard a while back. It angered me that this guy may have been subconsciously influencing people to think Ron Paul was racist.. but that is a logical fallacy of association and hopefully people will not link Obama to the views of Farrakhan or even to his pastor.
There are many things one can disagree with their pastor about. Is it really enough to leave the church over? A lot of effort to find another church, keeping in mind that no church or pastor is going to be entirely in sync with every single person's opinion on every issue... unless they are all sheep. Perhaps Obama's wife does not want to leave the church... i.e. they arn't leaving.. lol
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Michelle Obama said flatly, ??For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.?
I think that is a valid statement, as long as she means the last part. I havn't met anyone yet who doesn't think this country needs change, regardless of party affiliation. The U.S. has done almost nothing in my life that I am proud of... but I will definitely be proud if positive change occurs.
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I can understand completely why the left wing Obama supporters don't reply on this.
Because you didn't post the other half of the article? :D:D:D
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So what does Obama have to say?
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, ??I don??t think my church is actually particularly controversial.? He said Rev. Wright ??is like an old uncle who says things I don??t always agree with,? telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Real nice response....why is he the ONLY candidate that doesn't have to explain himself in this election?
My family is full of aunts, uncles, cousins etc that are uneducated bigots. I certainly do not agree with them on most things and I do not see them often. Nonetheless they are still associated with me as they are blood relatives. I would not be happy if I ran for pres and some fool brought up my family, accusing me of having similar beliefs.
What would you have preferred his answer to be? Bad mouthing his pastor in public is a little immature. And as I said, leaving the church over it may not be any better of an option.
Recently Hillary's adviser made controversial comments that some deemed racist... All she said was that she "didn't agree with all of those views"
And is McCain responsible for his pastor's opinions?
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Got some advice for the "white male non-vet" out there. IF he is elected, invest in K.Y., your going to need it!
Why only non-vets? And I seriously hope you wern't talking about KY brand lube.... ewww
I can't imagine any one of the candidates that are/were running (with the exception of McCain and Thompson, they are only excluded because I am scared of such violent nature) that if elected, wouldn't improve this country from the current Bush mess... I do not like Romney, Huckabee, or Hillary, but they would all improve the U.S. to some extent.
Why is life going to be so bad for white males if Obama is elected? There is no way the first black president ever elected would ruin that honor by being openly racist to the largest racial group in the U.S.
peace :rastasmoke: