Second grow same problemo

If any of the moderators pick this up, could you please delete my original posting in the general "hydroponics" forum? I misposted.:rasta:

Anyway, here is my problem, with a few additions from the original post I thought might be helpful:

And it's probably my fault for not posting sooner. Anyway, I've had the same problem both times, and it's frustrating as hell.

Using/how I'm doing what:

5.6 ph in nute res
Advanced A B for veg/flower
Rest are all advanced, used to use the online calc but Advanced told me not to use it, more on that later
So using:
Earth Tea (veg/flow)
Carboload
Voodoo
Sensizym
Bud Blood
Big Bud
Final Phase
Overdrive

Not in that order, all I ever did was go about 60-70% max of what the online calc said to use for my res

Fed 15 mins X 4 when at 18/6. 3 X at 12/12.
One feed 1 hr after wake, then one or two in middle, then one 1 hr before bed time.

RH 40-60%
Ambient 66-80F
1000W HPS
Ebb and flow
Bubble with 12 in stone and circ the res with separate pump, both 24/7
Light is about 3ft at this point, I feel like I'm punishing them if I go lower.

Called Advanced, they said forget the calc if you aren't using EVERYTHING on the list. OK, so I am now by the label. Going on the low side of everything now.

Using GH's ph down, tap comes in at 6.4-6.8

Add the Sensi A and B separately, as told. Also adding them last after everything else in the res, if that matters. Read it somewhere here.

Had bug problems, think I'm over it but it came from my friend's clones, which has also happened both times. Got rid of them for the first, but yeild was poor. Was GREAT stuff, holy cow and I've done A-Dam and a few others, kinda know what it should be like anyway.

More on bugs. Spider Mites. I got them with the clones, positively got rid of them before last flower. Brought in more clones, and guess what? So I have confirmed all killed and am going to wait out another 2 weeks to make sure they are gone. No dead bugs in my bud, thank you. I can wait.

Good tip- the 50/50 alcohol solution gets rid of the mature ones well, used neem to get rid of the rest, kill whatever I could and have also cleaned all walls. Very good about cleaning around here.

Strains are confirmed NL and BB. Also about 4th gen off seed.

My buddy, who is a pest himself, grows great looking plants but they don't compare bud-wise to mine. But the yeild is very low. Same stuff way different setups. Only similarity now is genes and a 1000w light.

Am also vegging now with the 1000 about 3 1/2 feet up. Started them under a 400 MH but had the same problem then. They didn't really stress after the move but they look pretty darn stressed anyway.

Very purple stems throughout the process, more on the NL (indica?). Anyway, the BB seems to take flowering better.

I have a new one going, but am tenative on posting more until I get this straight.

Leaves are eagle clawed. Tips burn. Necrosis is the ultimate fate for my shade leaves.

Res stays relatively steady on PPMs. Fill with tap (after it sets out for a day or so) and then ph down a little. Fill with about 2-3 L per day. They are drinking and I think the light evaps a good amount.

Roots from last grow were incredible. Solid and good looking mass, clear. Just great.

Also, finish was very light, fluffy almost until a good drying and curing just blew us away. Great finish, but it seems like I've got an invisible wall in front of me.

WTF?

I'm sorry......what EXACTLY are you trying to ask? I'm reading something about nuteburn then something about a wonderful grow......then something about a wall.
Your plants look nuteburned to me...could possibly be a fert build up problem as well. But I honestly cannot tell from your list what you are using and what you are not.

Better question.....better answer. We're stoners.....short, direct and sweet. ;)

I don't really know what you're asking either, but it sounds like you're feeding them a lot of stuff. I am pretty sure I overfed mine my last two grows by using too much shit, so this time I'm using base nutes only and just started using a tiny bit of sweet and so far they are looking, smelling and growing better than they did my first two tries. They are three full weeks in as of tomorrow.

BUT your bud in the pic looks great so if you are following the same formula as you did to get that, then I don't know what to tell you because the bud in the pic looks better than what I have grown so far! :thumbsup:

Sorry for a worthless post! :stoned:

Hey I'm glad to hear your plants are doing well Deja....Please post some photos of them when you get a chance....I'd love to see.

I guess I'm asking what to do. Overall, yes, it seems to be a good grow. However, judging by the leaves and everything I've seen on this board, something is up.

I went by the Advanced Calculator for the first, so I used just what they recommended. Seemed simple enough but I know those leaves shouldn't be so....

They are getting a lot of stuff, and for a noob I should have probably aimed lower. However, I have a little background in chem so I figured following a simple formula and looking at results should go 1 + 2 = 3. Just doesn't make any sense at this point.

I got about 1 lb from 18 plants, 4 week veg then 8 week flower, last of that was flush, then a bit longer flush for the BB, they just seemed like they needed 9 weeks. Maybe more.


The grow was strenuous, not wonderful. Very educational, we'll say. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissatisfied. More curious what I'm missing here.?.?.

I'm going to stay on top of this and will give updates on this whole grow now that I think about it. I appreciate your responses so far and hope this helps someone else along the way. Please ask away, and I'll give the best I can.

I see the tags on posts, "I never did this" and all that. This IS hypothetical in all aspects and my friend is posting it for is sick grandma.

Figured I'd get that out too.

So I Clearex every changeout. At the moment I have gone through the instructions on the label and am feeding water. Basically, I think in about a day or so I'm ready to start more nutes. Plants are vegging now. The pics are from the last grow, will post some of the new one but they are identical to the ones posted above.

Not sure what else I can provide to help with T/S, but please ask away and as I said, I'll put out.;)

I think I need to break this down as well

Veg:

Advanced A B for veg
Earth Tea veg
Voodoo
Sensizym

B-52 (did not mention that earlier)

Advanced A B flower

So using:
Earth Tea flow
Carboload
Voodoo
Sensizym

B-52

Bud Blood (when told)
Big Bud (when told)
Final Phase (same)
Overdrive (same)

Sorry,

PPMS!

400 or so for veg at the moment, but doesn't seem to matter as I had it at 800-1000 for the last veg and same stuff.

1500 max during flower.

It looks like way too much nitrogen in there ......i'm afraid I'm not familiar with Earth tea or how much nitrogen is in your veg nutes.....but its WAY too much from the look of the plants. How much nitrogen is in voodoo as well? Looks to me like from your list you do like tons of stuff....maybe too much of everything for anything to do any good.

It would be MUCH more logical.....IMhumbleO..........to start with a good one part veg nute and work up rather than adding every single thing you can get your hands into your res and then trying to guess which one to take out.

Yes, id start very low.....is your ph rising alot and have to be adjusted often?

What conversion of ppms are you working off of 500 or 700? 400ppm doesn't sound like a huge amount.....but the pics look like they were dipped in straight nitrogen or something. i'm honestly not even sure about giving you a ppm to start with because of the list of stuff......I'd have no clue how to divide the ratios and what the ingredients of each are.

Hopefully Stinky or somebody will come along and give a bug report.....i've never really had insect problems in my grow.

Start simple and low.....my best advice.

The ME Tea has 1.5-.75-1.5. I am going to go with your suggestion for now Weedhound and stick with the basics: Sensi A + B. I thought to add some cal mag, initially I thought it was a mag def. Suggestions?

Bugs have, of freaking shoot bag, reappeared, so once again I am factoring that into the problem. I am dropping F-bombs all over them, going with the 50/50 99% isopropyl/water as well as trying the No PEst STrips I saw gimmicked somewhere here.:wtf:

Any thoughts on whether Safe Neem or something close to that has any effect on root uptake or growth?

Some pics of current soon I hope if I can draw them out of my monkey's imagination, which of where is how I get this stuff anyway. *disclaimer:hippy: