Hermie solution - confirmed!

I posted a few days ago about a product that another grower had tipped me off on called Reverse from Dutch Master. I thought I'd come back and let you know how it went.

Quite simply this stuff is amazing. I applied a liberal dose - 250ml plus 2.5ml of Dutch Master Penetrate - to my last plant. There were two male flowers that I'd left on there deliberately, just to see what would happen. I was NOT expecting results nearly as quickly as I got them but....

Within 24 hours the male flowers had stopped producing pollen and they fell off the plant when I touched them. I haven't seen a single additional male flower since. This stuff has, quite simply, saved my grow.

And, no, I don't work for them :D. In fact, I really wish I'd heard about this stuff a lot sooner since I chopped my biggest plant last week when it hermied badly. But I know a lot of growers lately have had hermie problems and this is the first time I'd heard of this product, so I thought I'd pass on a helpful tip.

thanks for the report :thumbsup: ... sounds like it saved a plant for 'smoking' OK ... true test will be to see if the 'cured' female passes any new traits onto its progeny, as I suspect the 'hermaphodite-tendency' trait would still be present, and no good for creating seeds ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

true test will be to see if the 'cured' female passes any new traits onto its progeny, as I suspect the 'hermaphodite-tendency' trait would still be present, and no good for creating seeds ... :smokin:

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Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that the plant would pass on the hermie trait. I have no plans to continue growing with the offspring of this plant. Right now it's all about trying to get good quality, seedless bud and not loosing the entire grow because of the hermie problem.

This stuff isn't modifying the genetics as far as I know. I believe that this is the same type of hormone therapy that they use to force a female plant to hermie so they can get femmenized seeds - only in reverse.

Good for you to have found the stuff. I've been preaching it for years and it finally seems to have hit the mainstream.

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Good for you to have found the stuff. I've been preaching it for years and it finally seems to have hit the mainstream.

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I wish it was more mainstream than it is, honestly. When my first plant hermied, I looked at several different message boards and websites to see if there was anything to be done. The plant hermied rather badly and picking off the nanners as they formed was pretty much out of the question. The only other advice that *I* found was to chop the plant.

If only that grower had chimed in with the recommendation earlier, I could have saved what probably would have been a few oz of bud. Oh well, live and learn.

You can be sure that I'm going to become an active disciple in your preaching campaign :D.

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Originally Posted by Infamous

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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Scratching my head on this one lol.

I've never heard of anyone getting a MALE to hermie and produce female flowers, probably because most people just kill the males at first site lol. But I don't think this product would work like that.

To the best of my, admittedly limited, understanding, this product works through hormones. In breeding, when a grower wants to create femmenized seeds (that will produce ONLY female plants) they take healthy female plants and give them male hormones which forces them to hermie. This Reverse stuff does the opposite - it gives female hormones to the plant. This has the effect of suppressing the male traits and eliminating the male flowers. But I *think* the plant had to have been female originally - or at least a natural hermaphrodite.

I suspect...and this is only a guess...that if you applied Reverse to a male plant you'd get a hermie, but I don't think it would cause the plant to cross over and become completely female, because it wouldn't actually elminate the male genetics.

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Originally Posted by Infamous

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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According to Dutch Masters, it is the same technology that is used to make seedless watermelons. It's like it neuters the plant.

You are actually supposed to use Reverse within the first ten days of flowering as a prophylactic measure. It works later on in flower, but then you have to get your buds all wet and that's never a good thing.

PC :smokin:

Very very true that you can preach until you are blue in the face but no one hears it until its something THEY need. If you run a search on hermies here....you will find no LESS than 10 (and probably a LOT more) references to using Reverse to stop the problem by ME ALONEand god knows HOW many from otherse who use the product. Yet only NOW am I seeing people actually stop, read, spend the bucks, and actually use the stuff. It's so HARD being so FAR ahead of the game.......:S2:

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Originally Posted by PharmaCan

You are actually supposed to use Reverse within the first ten days of flowering as a prophylactic measure. It works later on in flower, but then you have to get your buds all wet and that's never a good thing.

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Yeah, but the stuff is so friggen expensive that I'd hesitate to use it as a preventative, unless I already knew that my plants had a high chance of turning hermie. I shelled out $45 for the two bottles I bought - the Reverse and Penetrator.

As for getting the buds wet, I'm not sure how big of a problem that is. When I sprayed my plants on Friday night the spray was completely absorbed within about 10 minutes. I suppose in areas with higher humidity, mold might be an issue, but it's pretty dry where I live, especially in winter.