the Wonderbag

Today I read some archived message board posts on some other site about exhaling into a balloon during a session and breathing it back out and into the balloon repeatedly. Just a little while ago I took the bag from a bag of Wonder bread cheeseburger buns and ran it through a cap from those Baby Bottle Pop candies with the smallest reservoir tip kind of thing sawn off. The bag flowed from the smaller, sawn off opening, out of the larger end, where it would screw on to a baby's bottle if it were a real cap. I hate when someone can't give a good description of a homemade piece, so it looked like, it was the bag from the cheeseburger buns (empty now), with its opening held kind of tightly together, loosely open, with essentially a big plastic ring to hold it in a size fit for a human mouth.

I would take a hit from my pipe, exhale it into the bag, perhaps exhale the rest out of the window if my mouth were still full, and then inhale from the bag and exhale again and inhale and repeat that a couple of times until I assumed there was no smoke left or got the feeling I shouldn't spend too much time with stale smoke or needed oxygen instead.

I haven't really gotten "high" after a smoking session for a while now, mostly because I have been in stock for a long time and I smoke very often, probably 7-8 times a day sometimes, always at least 4-5. After using this bag, though, which I of course have nicknamed the Wonderbag, I was pretty high. I don't want to decorate it all up or anything, but yes I was pretty high. I think the bag made a difference, but I don't know how exactly.

This bag is only a prototype, I may procure (procure) some balloons tomorrow to see if it really makes all the difference. If it does, and this has been a known technique for some time, I'm surprised it isn't talked about/performed more often.

The purpose of this thread besides informing anyone who cares about this rough draft of the Wonderbag paraphernalia, is also to welcome any speaking that can be done about "advanced" or more effective, more experienced techniques for smoking or breathing, so that we may all learn and, of course, grow.

just . . . wrong. you absorb about 97% of the THC in 3-5 seconds. you're just putting more gaseous plant material into your lungs.

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Originally Posted by Bebob

just . . . wrong. you absorb about 97% of the THC in 3-5 seconds. you're just putting more gaseous plant material into your lungs.

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thats not completely true, you dont have enough time to get all of the thc in 2-5 seconds if you take a big hit, or if your smoking potent shit, if your smoking shwag or mids thats enough to get all of it, but if theres more thc in the smoke, you have to hold it for longer to get all of the thc

i dont think the bag makes much difference though, you could just be getting an initial boost from the oxygen deprivation, or it could be a placebo affect.

Not good for you the "buzz" that you think your getting from it is just lack of oxygen...

I'll admit I've been lazy and haven't sufficiently examined Granny's repository on the sciences behind everything Cannabis, but...

The Earth's atmosphere is about 21% oxygen, and the end result from a breath of it is an exhalation of about 17% oxygen (IIRC, links to credible information would be super).

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Originally Posted by 420_24/7

thats not completely true, you dont have enough time to get all of the thc in 2-5 seconds if you take a big hit, or if your smoking potent shit, if your smoking shwag or mids thats enough to get all of it, but if theres more thc in the smoke, you have to hold it for longer to get all of the thc

i dont think the bag makes much difference though, you could just be getting an initial boost from the oxygen deprivation, or it could be a placebo affect.

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Very good point, sir. Actually 2. You beat me to both of them! Excellent +rep!
I'm kinda high :smokin: anyway, the majority of the studies, whether government, or NORML always seem to use low grade stuff, like avg of 2.5% in which most of it would absorb rather quickly. But even so, from long periods of time ago, it was common sense to hold smoke in for 30 sec or so. I personally hold for 30 and I do indeed do notice a difference. This is not oxygen deprivation however. Swimmers often hold their breaths for much longer than 30 seconds and do not experience oxygen deprivation or a loss of brain cells. That takes more than a minute... so other than possibly absorbing more toxins, I don't think its that bad. Who the hell smokes that shit they study anyway? Therefor studies = rather biased.

Anyway, I don't think your balloon is doing much, other than oxygen deprivation though. You said you are inhaling and exhaling and repeating... how many times? Each time, the balloon contains more carbon dioxide and less oxygen. Not too good bro.

peace

Thanks to everyone who replied. Not that many times, by the way, can you use a bag/balloon for the same hit. Which is fine anyway, because there's fresh stuff burning in your other hand.

Also, I should say I don't ever claim to actually know something or anything, about anything, but even then no one can say there is as much "officially" known about marijuana as there is about tobacco or alcohol, and since the only result of everybody always arguing (not that I'm saying anyone here is arguing) over whether or not holding hits in is effective is just more arguing, I prefer to go by what I feel rather than by what is supposed to be common knowledge. In any case, with weed being such a persecuted thing as it is, it's not uncommon for incorrect information or generally kind of chaotic, vague information to be purposefully spread about it. Not that everything I disagree with is incorrect, but the less people can find to agree on verbally between each other, the more confusion and chaos there is going to be surrounding discussions about something.

Anyway, I have since used both the bag and a balloon, and for probably generally the same reason that a high is a little different if the surrounding smoke continues to be inhaled and exhaled until its dissolution, this technique of recycling any smoke to whatever potential it has left works. There are some things about the air-tightness and the quality of the bag, and the exact process that takes place when using a balloon, that I don't understand yet. I may or may not continue to try to find a better device for the technique, but just breath itself can be used, too.