Radical Islam

Suicide bomb kills over 100 in Iraq - Yahoo! News

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.

I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.

This is not to say that I support the killing of politicians. I don't support the killing of anybody. And I certainly do not support terrorism. I feel that terrorists are pussies, not martyrs. If you want to declare war, put a fucking uniform on, pick up your rifle, and march in line.

Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah--they aren't doing terrorist activities for the name of Allah. They are doing it for their own personal and POLITICAL glory. We have seen this behavior throughout the course of time--religion is used to control people on a massive scale. I think that if Bin Laden had any balls he would strap a bomb to his own chest and kill himself. Do you know why he doesn't? It's the same reason that George Bush does not pick up a rifle and fight on the front line. Bin Laden cares nothing about the cause of Islam--he is simply doing it for political glory. I am reminded of such religious cults as the People's Temple Group (Jim Jones' cult which committed mass suicide). Surely it is Bin Laden who is the true kafir, who takes the name of Allah in vein for his own personal glory and reverence among the people who support him. He does it for his own glory--not for the glory of Islam. He does it so people hail HIM as a savior, so people might even come to worship him as a savior of some sort. This is why Muslims are killing eachother. Sunni against Shiia, but they supposedly worship the same God? It would appear that they do not know what their priorities are--worshiping Allah or fighting amongst themselves for political power. Do you think these fucking losers are really being guided by the will of Allah, or that of their own personal desires??? Understand that?

Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an, in the same manner that Jim Jones' followers represented Christianity. I think too many westerners are prone to classify all of Islam as terrorist-related, mainly because too many westerners get their news from a single source--conservative media, which never really distinguishes between editorial-style journalism (opinions included) and basic fact.

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i skimmed through your post and i agree with everything you said
im happy someone knows the difference between the "muslims" you hear in the new and real muslims who are peaceful

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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.

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But that would defeat the purpose of the act. These people aren't killing themselves because they just want to end their own lives. These people really honestly believe that there is a God, that there is a heaven, and that one way to get guaranteed entry into heaven is to kill infidels in the name of Islam.

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I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.

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Again, you seem to not understand what these people are killing for. They're not killing to spread a message, or to support some political faction. They're killing in order to make sure there are fewer non-Muslims in the world. That is why they target civilians. Because we civilians are just as non-Muslim as our political leaders, and thus, in their eyes, equally worthy of death.

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Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an,

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From this statement, I take it you have not actually bothered to look at what's written in the Qur'an. So many people are so quick to swallow the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" myth because they think "real" religion is always supposed to be peaceful. Well, Islam is not a religion of peace. As long as you're taking the Qur'an seriously, at least.

I realize there are a lot of "moderate" Muslims who don't take the Qur'an seriously (perhaps even the majority) yet still believe parts of it, just like there are a lot of Christians who don't take the extremely violent Old Testament seriously but still believe in the Ten Commandments. This is because most people are moral to begin with and project their own morality onto their holy book when they read it, ignoring those bits that are grossly immoral. Some people, people who are more intellectually honest about their religion, don't do that, and take their holy text's morality as the ultimate authority on moral matters. We call these people "fundamentalists". You can't just pretend that the Qur'an has nothing to do with these terrorists' beliefs that non-Muslims deserve to be murdered. It's written right in there, whether you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by Surah 4:76

Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

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Originally Posted by Surah 8:65

Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

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Originally Posted by Surah 9:5

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

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Originally Posted by Surah 9:123

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

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Funny, I can't find any passages about religious tolerance...

Keep in mind that these Muslim terrorists really are Muslims. If they really believed that Allah has put a prohibition on all killing, they would not be doing the things they do, because they really do believe in Allah. They're not atheists pretending to be Muslims. They're not Muslims who don't really think Allah was serious. They're not Muslims who are fanatically devoted to their religious beliefs but somehow completely ignorant of what the Qur'an says. They're Muslims who actually read the Qur'an and take its contents seriously. Perhaps if you took the time to read their holy book you might begin to understand a little where these people's belief systems come from.

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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist

Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures?

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Sept 11th happened before the war in Iraq. I mean, I guess you could link it to Desert Storm reparations, if you wanted to make really convoluted arguments.
But unless you're trying to make that connection, we went to war because of sept 11th, remember? Because Iraq was behind it the whole time...

As I understand it the fundamentalist bone to pick is not with US political system, but rather with our way of life. Which, all of our civilians partake in. In this tacit participation, there are no noncombatants, everyone is a target because the battle is over lifestyle itself.

They're a dogmatically bound people, controlled by overly religious leaders and doing the best they can with the weapons they have.

It's important to remember however that God is on our side, George W is a great man, and our armorment is vastly superior to theirs. And we only kill the bad muslims who really really deserve it. Civilian casualities are for barbarians.

[quote=Oneironaut]But that would defeat the purpose of the act. These people aren't killing themselves because they just want to end their own lives. These people really honestly believe that there is a God, that there is a heaven, and that one way to get guaranteed entry into heaven is to kill infidels in the name of Islam.

Again, you seem to not understand what these people are killing for. They're not killing to spread a message, or to support some political faction. They're killing in order to make sure there are fewer non-Muslims in the world. That is why they target civilians. Because we civilians are just as non-Muslim as our political leaders, and thus, in their eyes, equally worthy of death.


From this statement, I take it you have not actually bothered to look at what's written in the Qur'an. So many people are so quick to swallow the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" myth because they think "real" religion is always supposed to be peaceful. Well, Islam is not a religion of peace. As long as you're taking the Qur'an seriously, at least.

I realize there are a lot of "moderate" Muslims who don't take the Qur'an seriously (perhaps even the majority) yet still believe parts of it, just like there are a lot of Christians who don't take the extremely violent Old Testament seriously but still believe in the Ten Commandments. This is because most people are moral to begin with and project their own morality onto their holy book when they read it, ignoring those bits that are grossly immoral. Some people, people who are more intellectually honest about their religion, don't do that, and take their holy text's morality as the ultimate authority on moral matters. We call these people "fundamentalists". You can't just pretend that the Qur'an has nothing to do with these terrorists' beliefs that non-Muslims deserve to be murdered. It's written right in there, whether you like it or not.[/i]




read it and weep

Islam & Religious Tolerance

Religions are the problem, they create the "US" vs "Them" crap! Even in the USA religion creates all kinds of problems, although most of these problems are not violent, they are still huge problems rooted in the myth of GOD!

The Muslims are no more violent than the Christians were not too long ago...Islam has many years of violent actions left before it reforms itself, so get use to the senseless killing of humans in the name of Allah!

They said in todays paper there are over 250 terror cells in the UK. MI5 are loosing control, and there saying that one or more could easily fall through the net because they cannot watch them all at the same time. That's not good enough. That means it's easy to stage a bombing - and it's worse if MI5 know about them but cant watch them and dont know what they're up to. It's not worth taking the risk. If they're known by MI5, arrest them straight away, and lock them up. If they're known by MI5, they are terrorists, simple as that. If they're known to meet with other terrorists then they are a possibility. I'd rather lock them all up and be safe than let them wander our streets with bombs all over them.

They're lunatics, and they have no rights to life. They deserve to die in the most painful way. If they're a terrorist and they get tortured they deserve it.

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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist

Suicide bomb kills over 100 in Iraq - Yahoo! News

So a suicide bomb killed over 100 people in Iraq. I think that if these radical extremists want to kill themselves, maybe they should strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in a field away from innocent civilians.

I don't really see the point in the message they are trying to give everybody. I am sickened by the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow and I hope the plotters have a very harsh sentence.

What I do not understand is why the terrorists target civilians. Wouldn't it be more effective if they killed politicians and political leaders? Let me put it this way--on Sept. 11th, when they took down the WTC, some 3,000 people were killed. Civilians, going to work to support themselves, were killed. But George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld--the people responsible for the 'war' in Iraq--they are still living. Wouldn't it make more sense if these terrorists targeted political figures? What the terrorists fail to understand is that civilians are NOT declaring war on Iraq. There are many US and UK civilians who support the liberation of Palestine and are anti-zionist (which would ultimately be more sympathetic to their causes)

What the terrorists fail to realize is that civilians are not declaring war against Palestinians. Civilians make no distinction between hamas and hezbollah. Civilians are not responsible for the army's presence in the middle east, which angers most radical islamic factions. I wish the terrorists could understand that killing civilians does nothing but tarnish their cause.

This is not to say that I support the killing of politicians. I don't support the killing of anybody. And I certainly do not support terrorism. I feel that terrorists are pussies, not martyrs. If you want to declare war, put a fucking uniform on, pick up your rifle, and march in line.

Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah--they aren't doing terrorist activities for the name of Allah. They are doing it for their own personal and POLITICAL glory. We have seen this behavior throughout the course of time--religion is used to control people on a massive scale. I think that if Bin Laden had any balls he would strap a bomb to his own chest and kill himself. Do you know why he doesn't? It's the same reason that George Bush does not pick up a rifle and fight on the front line. Bin Laden cares nothing about the cause of Islam--he is simply doing it for political glory. I am reminded of such religious cults as the People's Temple Group (Jim Jones' cult which committed mass suicide). Surely it is Bin Laden who is the true kafir, who takes the name of Allah in vein for his own personal glory and reverence among the people who support him. He does it for his own glory--not for the glory of Islam. He does it so people hail HIM as a savior, so people might even come to worship him as a savior of some sort. This is why Muslims are killing eachother. Sunni against Shiia, but they supposedly worship the same God? It would appear that they do not know what their priorities are--worshiping Allah or fighting amongst themselves for political power. Do you think these fucking losers are really being guided by the will of Allah, or that of their own personal desires??? Understand that?

Let's understand this--that radical Islam is not a true representation of the Qur'an, in the same manner that Jim Jones' followers represented Christianity. I think too many westerners are prone to classify all of Islam as terrorist-related, mainly because too many westerners get their news from a single source--conservative media, which never really distinguishes between editorial-style journalism (opinions included) and basic fact.

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We murder thousands of innocent iraqi's each day were in iraq, Mothers, fathers,children, the handicapped, the elderly, we blow them up with pussy ass rockets,and air strikes, cuz sum of those GI assholes over there are to pussy to look a child in the eye and kill it. I hate when people go OH MY GOD AMERICANS GOT KILLED IN IRAQ, yeah and they prolly took a 1000+ innocent people with them

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

It's important to remember however that God is on our side, George W is a great man, and our armorment is vastly superior to theirs. And we only kill the bad muslims who really really deserve it. Civilian casualities are for barbarians.

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:vap_smiley: I coughed and laughed so hard I think I damaged a little part of my brain

Salaam 69!

War in every sense is fucked up. It is the resort of closed-minded idiots who can only think for themselves--that is to say, they are only in it for their own personal gain. We have had constant wars since the roman empire. When the fuck are we going to step up and realize that this is a CYCLE which we can stop??? I think the very people who declare war need to be killed and made an example of, so as to say, "if you bring war and destruction to the world, THIS will be your fate".