here's something to discuss (forgiveness)

first i should state i don't believe... but it's something i've wondered for awhile...

IF god and jesus are so forgiving, why are their 'real' followers (by real i don't mean they're better followers, just that they tend to stick closer to the bible then others....) so unforgiving... of anything and everything....

on a side note... they're also not supposed to judge, but leave that to god, yet they still judge...

so why do you think that is?


i personally think it's because somewhere they have their doubts and they need to convert otherp eople for their own peace of mind, and to confirm their belief.... of course that's not the only reason i think they do it... but i believe that plays a heavy part on it.

Im sure each one of them has their own reasons. If you think about it if all those people would just stick to their beliefs there would of been no crusades or inqusitions, just goes to show the beliefs arnt wrong, its what the people do with them

It's not just forgiveness, we fail miserably in the 'Love Thy Neighbor' arena.

I think many who call upon His name out loud today will hide their faces from His countenance when He returns, just and Adam and Eve hid from Him after their sin.

Forgive us Father, for we know not what we do.

The ones that "stick closesly to the bible" are better followers? thats funny.

(perspective of belief in a higher power but a non-follower of a particular faith)

religion is a necessary evil to pass on tradition/practices of spiritual pursuit. it is a tool of sociology. it is good because it keep spirituality alive and progressing forward. the pursuit to be a better person, to have hope to lean on, principles of love are all great ideas promoted through most practices of faith at a non-fundamentalist level.

now i believe fatihs are to be spring boards into our own personal journey. not an end, but a means.

funny jesus said he came to free the people from the bondage of the LAW by speaking of it being about one's heart intention. the followers turned right around to build a new set of LAWS to live and judge by... i think they missed his point entirely...

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

funny jesus said he came to free the people from the bondage of the LAW by speaking of it being about one's heart intention. the followers turned right around to build a new set of LAWS to live and judge by... i think they missed his point entirely...

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yes! they did..and here we are, still missing the point.

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Originally Posted by PureEvil760

The ones that "stick closesly to the bible" are better followers? thats funny.

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dude, i even said it didn't mean that...

Sorry, I get it now. You were saying that the "real" followers know what thier doing and most others dont. agreed.

Well its more like the real followers dont know what thier doing and they will admit that. The others think they know somthing which is thier downfall.

yeah i remeber going in for my first confession and the priest kicking me out of the church because HE was so unforgiving

most true christians and very forgiving people but in reality the christian version of god is the only one whose really forgiving, the old testament god was a vengeful god full of wrath