Second Hydro Grow, please comment

This is my second Hydro Grow. They seem to be growing very well. I took one of the 8 seeds once they all cracked and put it into soil to see what the different amount of growth would be.. WOW,, what a huge difference. I am hoping this one in the soil will be female, so I can have it for my mother.

This strain in Northern Lights.

These plants are 9 days old from the time the seeds Popped the top on the rapid rooters to today.

There is one plant that a couple of leafs that are curling up like it wants to roll itself into a joint right now. What do you guys think is causing this, and is it any big deal?

Lights: 6 cfls, and one t-5 tube light. PH is about 5.8, PPM is about 900.

Toke long and hard my friends:bigsmoke:

Looks cool except for ppm.
Get it down to 300 or so at that early age or your gonna burn em up .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

that is the ppm with the calm mag+ and the Hygrozyme and the Pot of Gold, and Liquad Karma also. is 300 just with the nuts or everything? I am useing Botanicare- Pureblend and Power Plant.

I am useing rockwool for my medium, wouldn't this itself raise my PPM the first week or so? when I started out my PPM was only 600PPM and I have not added any nuts. I did soak it and condition it, but I would think you could not rise out all the small rock dust unless you took hours and hours of rinseing.

I mixed my nuts and everything at about 25-35% strength. Nuts at 25%

the system you have doesn't have clay pebbles right?? like crispi said your PPM is too high. 300PPM is optimal for the age with 400PPM being max. You need to measure the PPM of your water before adding anything and then add nutrients. Don't add any supplements at this point they are too young. You should start with very mild nutrients (300ppm range) and add those other things when the time comes in later veg state and flowering phases. If your PPM are that high before adding any nutrients you are adding way too much. Follow the label's instructions EXACTLY and if ever a question, reduce strength. Its always best to start off with less of everything. You have a little backwards, its nutrients first then supplements not the other way around. Also, your pH should be around 5.2 - 5.5 at this young age. Then bump it up gradually to 5.8 and 6.0 You're off to a good start just need to make some adjustments and maybe read the FAQ a little more.

Never used rockwool as a medium ?
Are you using r/o water ? Stuff right outa the taps usually about 100 ppm by itself too , atleast w/ city water . I'd just top the system off w/ p/h'd water to try to bring the ppm down a lil still .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by deftdrummer

If your PPM are that high before adding any nutrients you are adding way too much. Follow the label's instructions EXACTLY and if ever a question, reduce strength. Its always best to start off with less of everything. You have a little backwards, its nutrients first then supplements not the other way around.

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Well I did lower what the instructions said for seedlings, so you Assumed I did not.
Second you assumed I do not read about this stuff a lot, I have and still do, videos and all. But there are so many different oppinions. I first read to keep you temp at about 75-90f, now I am thinking it is 75-80f, with 30-40% rh, who the hell do I believe.
And the first sentence makes no sence.
But agree I might have to much stuff in my res this go around.

But one thing you have to remember. I use R/O with a PPM of 10-30, and after adding the nuts, and Liquad Karma I am at about 340 PPM, with everything else I add it went to 600, and in about two days the ppm raised to 900ish with no real water use, some but not much.

I think I will just go get another 2 gallons of R/O to be safe. I keep it at 6 gallons in the Res, but I can go up to 8 easy.

Oh, one more thing, I thought the Hygrozyme and the pot of gold and cal mag do not count into the equation for burning your plants? The Cal Mag can over load your plants with the Iron Cal, Mag and such but not burn. Did I read wrong.


So lets here from some people? Who thinks I should not use these things, and who thinks I should, because I am following a nut and suppliment sechdule I read about. But then again, how do I know this guy knew what he was talking about. Also I did rather well my last harvest. So maybe I am screwing up now. Last time i just used the Pure Blend and power Flower for vegg time

1 lets start from a known:thumbsup:
Get some full service , full service 40 watt cool white bulbs:D
2 The starting ppm of you water
Now add , starting at 400 over the water you have:thumbsup:
3 What does the plant say:Tomcat::thumbsup:
You want about 1/16-1/8 leaf tip burn, to maximize groth
4 Ph should be around 6.0 to 5.4 for maximize plant up take
I have used 1300 ppm for years with a 600 (yea tape watre) (There tons of micro chem' , from iron, copper, etc in normal tape water
It takes about 3 days for a plant to tell you what it needs. Watch you plants, and they will tell you.
AND THE RULE OF THUMB IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG FLUSH THE HELL OUT OF THEM
One more note the larger the res, the more stabel it is , and alway go slow when adding chem, ferts.
And once your plants get to 1/3 - 1/2 the max height convert to Warm White bulbs.
Put them CPL to good use in the trash, or closet where the boogie man hides.
Note I use Cool white 38 watts till they get to 30-36 in hight in 1/2 gallon pots. :D

Who the hell veggies until 36" tall in a Hydro system inside. I am sure some people do, but not most. Second, TONS of people use CFL's for vegging time. CFL= Condensed floresent Lights. Third, would be nice if people read the whole thread before telling me what I need. Especially since two people so far Have told me I need what I already have.

I think I will just grow the way I did my last hydro grow. 1.5 oz of hard sticky buds, per plant is not bad.

I CAN NOT BELIEVE, that my lights are not good enough for vegging. (6)43 actual watt COOL WHITE!!!!!!!CFLS and one t-5 4' COOL WHITE tube floresences. I have a 400 watt light I can drop in there, but why? No need for that in vegging. Right now I am building a room, which will have inlet and outlet 20" fans and an Air Conditioner Unit, oscilatting fan, and mylar walls. 3'X3' growing tray, with a 20gallon res. I am having trouble with the heat, or I would use the 400 watt multi light. This is why I just bought a 5,050 BTU AC unit. I will just use my 400 watter as my 400 HPS light like I did last grow.

There are two threads right now, of people who have plants like the one guy that is 21 days into vegging, and mine are as big and nice as his. Some of you guys are helpful, but others are like feeding sharks.

Also, I talked to the guys at the hydro store, and they all said YES, Rock Wool will make your PPM jump the first week. But, I wanted to be on the safe side, I was going to go another 4 days before a res change. But I changed it out today. I dropped back to just Pure Blend and Power Plant, and a Little Hygrozyme. ppm=325, also bought a new digital ph meter, got old that looking at a color chart and trying to guess what PH you have. PH=5.3, it will raise maybe .1-.2 by tomorrow. My ph has really leveled out nicely now.

Here are a couple of pictures, You guys tell me what is wrong with these lights for vegging. And if My plants are doing so horrible, Maybe I should just kill the little shits and start over.

And the 1/8 nut burn on the tips.. why would you want to run that fine line? Step over it and POOF!!!

Thanks most everyone for you help, But as I said before, you read and read and read, and who do you believe? Well one person I do not believe is you (Oldsanclem), you might be the God of all Bud growers, But to many things you wrote and over looked make me not trust your abilities.

Oh, also, I got these seeds 12 days ago, they have been in my hydro system for 9 days now. 1 day to crack, 2 days to pop out from the rapid rooters, with roots, and 9 days in hydro.

These plants went the first 7 days with straight r/o water. My nuts jumped from 340-360 to 900ish in two days on their own. See some people did not read all the thread. And do not even ask if I soak and conditioned, go back and READ>>>>>>

One thing no one tried to answer was the real question I asked, Why are those two leafs rolling up like a joint. Well one person got it correct, but never addressed the question.

I do really thanks those who read the thread and helped. I am sure my plants are safer now.

Oppps 10 days in hydro.

CFL are ok for vegetation and if you are happy then it's fine. But if you ask for comments from people to grow more yield in the same system and the same amount of time then give mH a try.

One thing though right now you don't have heat as an issue do you? That's a good thing to not have to fight heat or the expense of fighting heat. MH will produce heat for sure, so the trade off is more money spent to just use a MH bulb.

You are doing fine, but for your efforts I bet we can help you get 2 oz or more per plant for the same amount of time spent.

To properly use MH you should have an air cooled hood with the proper blower to push outside air through your room. Or you can set it up with a "Y" and use a good exhaust to do both jobs. Still you are spending more money and need more room. A 400w would be nice (not required) and not too much heat but you would still need to have an air cooled hood.

There is not some mag issues with the one plant front left maybe?

Its hard to tell from the picture but I see what may be a sign of needing some CalMag.

How are you checking your Ph?