Can we agree on this?

I think it all comes down to faith. You either believe something or you don't. There are no facts. I think that for every scientific fact the athiest provides, there's a counter from a different scientist that makes science fit with the word of God. Since we weren't around at the beginning, we have no clue on how we got here. What we think may have happened to start it all comes down to us trusting in someone else. Agreed?

:beatdeadhorse: It always comes down to faith. Some put their faith in man, and others in God.

karma for me actually....

'man' has dissapointed me far too many times to put faith in them, and 'god' has disaapointed me by far, many more times.

do as you'd have others do to you... cuz you fuck someone else over, it will coem back... eventually, and at some point...

i like karma, cuz when something 'bad' happens i don't have to explain to everyone else why my loving creator felt it needed to add uneeded pain to my life... rather, pain is just the nature of life it's self... but cause others pain, and you will get worse...

that is my belief, and i have never doubted it... thus, i tend to be kind toward people, very helpful, and for the idiots, patient....

Agreed, faith is the foundation to create a pathway to god, before having spiritual experiences all you have to go by is faith.

agreed...no matter what u believe concerning god or lackthereof takes faith

even in your example slipknot, your still putting ur faith in karma...theres no proof karma is the right way to go

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

I think it all comes down to faith. You either believe something or you don't. There are no facts. I think that for every scientific fact the athiest provides, there's a counter from a different scientist that makes science fit with the word of God. Since we weren't around at the beginning, we have no clue on how we got here. What we think may have happened to start it all comes down to us trusting in someone else. Agreed?

:beatdeadhorse: It always comes down to faith. Some put their faith in man, and others in God.

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I agree completly... many times i tried to say that because of this, any religious discussion based on arguments, reasoning and logical thought leads to nowhere, because at the end we will be basing our arguments upon beliefs, dont matter if the beliefs are in a religion or in the science or whatever.

Life is all about faith. You have to put faith into almost everything you know and do. A lot of things you subconsciously have faith in, which is why i'm sure most of you are not paranoid schizo's. Anyways yes, faith, I can respect whatever faith you have even though I might disagree, because I don't know any better than you.

I disagree. Having faith, that is, believing something without evidence for your position, is something that I try not to do. I am an atheist, but I am not an atheist because of faith. I do not believe in God because I do not see any evidence for such a being (at least as far as the gods described in scriptures, and the concepts of God which have been defined for me by believers).

Being an atheist does not mean saying you know with 100% certainty that there is no such thing as anything that might be worthy of the label "God". Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in gods. I lack a belief in gods because in order to believe in a god I would need to be presented with a good definition of what this god is and sufficient evidence to support the claim that it exists.

Screw faith. If you don't have enough evidence to answer a question, just be honest with yourself and say "I don't know". I don't know what caused the universe to come into existence, nor whether the Big Bang even had a cause. I don't know if there are parallel universes. I don't know if there are extraterrestrials in our galaxy. I don't know if string theory is true or not. I'm not going to make assertions about things that I don't have evidence for.

I am going to use the evidence we have, and the kinds of evidence we lack, to judge the probabilities of the claims I am presented with, without making any absolute claims to ultimate truth. I am an atheist for the same reason I don't believe in fairies; not because I have faith, but because I have not seen any evidence at all for any of the supernatural beings posited by any of the religions I have examined, and thus it is valid to say that the existence of these extraordinary beings is extraordinarily unlikely.

My lack of belief in god isn't a matter of faith, it's a matter of reason. I have "faith" in there being no god like I have faith in no Easter bunny. If I told you about the invisible space jellyfish you wouldn't disblieve because you have "faith" in their non-existence, you'd disbelieve because there's no reason to believe me. Yet when we talk about the almighty diety in the sky, suddenly we have to have "faith" not to believe. So tell me, why does disbelief in god require faith, but disbelief in the jellyfish not?

Can a real religious person explain to me the definition of the word faith, I could do with a laugh.

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Originally Posted by ukmonkey

Can a real religious person explain to me the definition of the word faith, I could do with a laugh.

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I imagine this won't fly too well but....


Faith is a Euphamism. It's a way of justifying an irrational form of reasoning by wrapping it in a pretty package labeled "faith". But when you whipe away the euphamism, it really just means "if you believe hard enough, that will make it true".