Did God create evil?

[PureEvil760]

A University professor at a well-known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question.

"Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.
To this the student replied,
"Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name -- Albert Einstein

[Matt the Funk]

No dude. People are evil. Nuff said.

[PureEvil760]

Yes but only the people who are missing god in thier life. Plus I would like to see you start an argument with Alburt, u would get pwned

[Matt the Funk]

I could pwn him dude. I don't get played by words. Besides you probably have no reason to have faith. I have a reason to have faith in what I believe in.

[PureEvil760]

So whats your reason to hold a faith determined by Ego, so you can feel bigger than others..so you feel important? or is it simply because you have never experienced God's love?

[Matt the Funk]

No dude. I don't feel important. I don;t give a fuck. About anything. And I think it's funny you have faith. Their is no god. Life is god. God is life. God is not good. I think you are a fool for believing that. You dissed me for no reason. Give me one reason why you believe in god. You fool.

[PureEvil760]

There is great anguish in every heart - the anguish of not knowing oneself, the anguish of not knowing where we are coming from and where we are going to, who we are and what this life is all about. What is the meaning of life? This is our anguish, our agony. Life seems to be so futile, so utterly meaningless, a mechanical repetition. We go on doing the same things again and again - and for what? There seems to be no significance to it all. And man cannot life without experiencing some significance, without feeling that he contributes something meaningful to the world, that he is fulfilling something tremendously significant. Unless one comes to feel this, one remains on fire with anguish. Why do I have faith in god? I have experienced the Divine words cannot describe it..have you?

[PureEvil760]

Your absence of God is shining brightly in the word "fool". Everything you think or feel about others is only a reflection of your self, it can be nothing else.

[PureEvil760]

Your ego is on def-con 5 now ALERT ALERT lol

[Matt the Funk]

Yeah I have. Spiritual experiences, ghosts, aruas, talking to "god". I've done/expierienced it all. And then at one point I relieved and learned, no god, I'm just crazy. You don't need god to have a purpose in life, for it to be fufilling. A lot of times I feel like religion is for the hopeless/weak minded. Now don't get me wrong I don't think I am any better than you. I have more experiences I can not explain which I have had on psychedelics. Your life is pointless. You live for experience, and when you die you become part of the higher chain of life. That is the true meaning of life, it is the infinite cirlce of life.

[Matt the Funk]

You are insulting me for no reason whatsoever. Hence why I called you a fool.

[PureEvil760]

Saying there is no god is like saying you dont exist, psycodellic experiences..well..your on drugs none of those experiences count for anything. By the way all my information comes directly from Archangel Michael, Kryon - Angel of magnetic service, Saint Germain - Master of the violet flame, and Lord Sananda - known as Jesus while in physical form.
Religeon is for the weak minded I commend you on that statement. I think of religeon like this Religeon is who has the better imaginary friend, What I believe in is only the product of what true Divine spirits have told me.

[Matt the Funk]

All my info comes from my experiences. Amazing how you dissmiss drugs. Everything is the key to life IMHO, changes your perception, perception is the key....Hence why you only should worry abot yourself if you are selfish, and worry about others if you are caring. Then simply die and fall into your place in the infinite circle of life. WHAT I BELIEVE, is what is real to me, and only me. I don't speak for others, you do. You think too highly of yourself and your religion.

[PureEvil760]

Even Sananda wishes to destroy christianity, let me find that post.

[PureEvil760]

lol fool You think too highly of yourself and your religion. Remember reflection of self? You basically just told me this is what you think of yourself.

[Matt the Funk]

Christianity like most religion is a way to control people. Just like schools and jobs. The goverment in general, all orginizations. 1% has the power, the rest give it to them.

[Matt the Funk]

Dude I don't think highly of myself what so ever. I have pride, that's all. I'm not gonna take shit from anyone, because it's my right. I'm done though since this thread is just an arguement between me and you which neither of us can be proven true or false. You will believe what you want, and I will believe what I want. That's it. I have faith in no religion. You have faith in something I use to "believe". You were/probably are brainwashed as I was.

[suhl]

you cant prove god exists, you cant prove god doesnt exist, you cant prove if he made evil, etc. however if you are saying god created humans and humans made evil, well take a logic class and youll see the answer is simple. but really why bother talking about it when you dont know. the fact is this is a question with no provable answer or even anything close to it. it is like how people still argue about what happens after you die. nobody knows, nobody will ever know, i just dont know why people want to get so worked up sometimes and can just assume they can be right about something that either isnt a matter of right and wrong or simply cannot be answered. then its just blowin smoke. and if you are gonna blow smoke, then why not blow those trees

[PureEvil760]

Well at least we are on the same page now. Everyone's waking consiousness is controlled at least 90% by ego, maybe less for us but not much. I believe the meaning of life is to weaken this ego, gain enlightenment, then ascension, then higher ascension.

[PureEvil760]

It blows my mind how people can belive there is no god. Talk to a Shaman, Druid, Enlightened master, Ascended master..Well I guess thats why ..most people have not met others connected to God and therefore are just extremely unedjucated wandering around in darkness bumping into stuff.

[PureEvil760]

I could'nt find the one I wanted to find but here is a Sananda channeling I posted awhile ago.
"I am called the son, I am the ray, I am Emanuel. I am that which you
call
"Jesus". I am that which is called "Sananda".

I ask you to feel my presence, feel my energies, within - without.

I come to speak with you, for your energies are part of the whole; part
of
the Light.

You are the Lightworkers. You come to prepare the way for my entry.
There
are many who do not understand that which is to come. You must awaken
their
soul memories, for time is crucial.

BE the Light, BE in the Light, BE of the Light. Do all within the
Light,
and they will see you and will understand. Know we are all a part of
the
whole. We must help our brothers. For not to do that would cause you to
stay
where you are at now. We must all work together to be part of the One.

I do not wish to be called "Lord". I am your brother.

I do not wish you to bow down to me. I am one with you.

I do not wish you to make crosses with my body on it, for I do not want
that
image to be portrayed.

I am one with the Father. I am one with you. We are all part of the
whole.
Become that which is to come.

Know you are protected. Know I am with you. Know you are safe. Know it,
believe it, and no harm will come to you.

Much that is now is changing. These changes must happen as the "Mother"
goes
towards the new vibrations. Many will not be able to handle these
changes.
Be steadfast in your faith and your belief. Know that all is well. Talk
only
of that which is good and goodness. For once you become part of the
masses,
the negativity then is opened and you must not have any holes within
your
auric field that can bring this negativity.

Know that the end result is worth it. Know you are helped as I watch
over
you and your loved ones.

I thank you for letting me enter. I am "one" with you."

~Jesus Sananda as Channelled by Shari
__________________

[Matt the Funk]

Lol. You are going on about this shit still, but idk why. If God made everything, and evil is lack of god, what if I viewed evil as god? Wouldn't lack of god be good? It's all point of view dude. That's what life is.

[Matt the Funk]

I could pretend to be jesus dude. I'm schizophrenic and have before believed I was superman. Tried to jump off things and fly for a whole day. It's point of view once again. You believe you are jesus or superman, that's what you are.

[PureEvil760]

lol superman, I just enjoy messing with peoples ego if you didnt notice by now. I'm just a piece of God like everyone else, thats a channeling I didnt write that.

[PureEvil760]

Many enlightoned people say you have to confuse/disrupt thier ego before they can begin thier serch for truth.

[Matt the Funk]

Their we go. Something I can agree on. We are all a piece of "god" What god really is I don't know. I don't really know anything, I just think, therfore I am. I try to tell myself I don't have a big ego, but it's huge. But what can I say, I just don't take to disrespect nicely. If I liek you I will be the nicest person in the world, if not, I can be a prick.

[Matt the Funk]

My id,ego, and super ego all have their own voice in my head:p And I am serious about that one.

[Polymirize]

I'm unfamiliar with that part of Einstein's scholastic career where he was apparently arguing the existence of god. Did that actually happen? I'm inclined to say it didn't. In which case, the entire argument seems to be attempting to appeal to authority rather than making a good argument.

What, because Einstein supposedly said that we should all come along? Talk about an unnecessary plug that reaks of desperation.

Einstein was a great physicist, sure. But he was proven wrong with regards to God several times that I can think of.

[krazy chino]

this is a good argument and God does exist trust me whatever it/he is , it/he exist .......im high

[Polymirize]

this is a good argument and God does exist trust me whatever it/he is , it/he exist .......im high

let me explain to you why this argument sucks. It depends so heavily on polarity that it loses track of itself.

If God was responsible for the laws of physics that dictate hot and cold (or rather, thermal energy and the lack thereof) then he's responsible for the consequences of such. Or is God heat, and cold is simply the lack of God?

If God created everything... then evil is indeed his responsibility.

Of course, its ridiculous to believe that god created everything. God is simply one side of an architypal polarity, existence, heat, light, goodness...

But the world is equally nothingness, cold, darkness and evil... Neither side is more valid than the other, except by definition, which has already been shown to be completely worthless for this purpose.

Why would anyone seperate good and evil when their so clearly part of the same thing (just like heat and cold right?)?

ergo, the argument sucks.

[slipknotpsycho]

It blows my mind how people can belive there is no god. Talk to a Shaman, Druid, Enlightened master, Ascended master..Well I guess thats why ..most people have not met others connected to God and therefore are just extremely unedjucated wandering around in darkness bumping into stuff.

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.

[BabySnookums]

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.

word

[rebgirl420]

That was the stupidest thing ive ever seen. And that says alot.

[Polymirize]

religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....


I don't think the world would be worse off at all if the vast majority of people didn't believe in magical things. Maybe they'd have to take responsibility for watching themselves then. Which of course, means you don't just get to follow your instincts to self-gratification, unless you want to make a fucking animal out of yourself.

But on a broader note, and this is only in the interest of fairness... You only seem to be posing arguments based on biblical reasoning, which is obviously not the god PureEvil is committed too, since he mentions druids and shamans and numerous people who Christians tended to burn at the stake rather than interact with.

Just a thought...

[slipknotpsycho]

I don't think the world would be worse off at all if the vast majority of people didn't believe in magical things. Maybe they'd have to take responsibility for watching themselves then. Which of course, means you don't just get to follow your instincts to self-gratification, unless you want to make a fucking animal out of yourself.

But on a broader note, and this is only in the interest of fairness... You only seem to be posing arguments based on biblical reasoning, which is obviously not the god PureEvil is committed too, since he mentions druids and shamans and numerous people who Christians tended to burn at the stake rather than interact with.

Just a thought...

when ever i hear god, i assume we're talking biblical... cuz it's one of the most wide spread ideas. it's also the god i know the most about... doesn't matter much to me tho.. all 'gods' are just as fake to me... the thought there is a other-worldly being, that watches everything we do is illogical and impossible imo.

as for the world being worse off. i do believe it would be... that just my thought, cuz i look at everyday life, and i see people not doing things, they would probably otherwise do if they didn't feel they'd be punished for it... maybe not so much in our time, but back a ways, when law enforcement wasn't quite so effective or widespread. today, you usually have to answer for your crimes in court, but quite a while ago, you could easily commit murder or numerous other heinous crimes, and only face a small chance you might be caught.

[PureEvil760]

it blows my mind that anyone can... to me believing in god would be like believing in unicorns, fairies, pixies, ect ect...

there is absolutely no proof god is real, nor can it be proved... it's also hypocritical of you to question somebodies beliefs, and expect everyone to believe yours... but then again, that's also the typical christian response... everyone who doesn't believe "is a lost soul" or "must be saved". honestly, i believe that's the result of a lack of faith... i think the reason why they do that, is not becuase they believe those statements, but they don't want to feel like an idiot for believing in somthing they cannot see, feel, touch, hear, smell, taste or whatever.

another thing that gets me, is most preachers these days tell you what god wants, what he thinks about certain people ect ect... how do they know? how COULD they know? it's not like god comes and sits down in your dining room one day while you're eating and starts listing off what he wants the preacher to tell his congregation... religion is a tool to control people, and cast out the 'evil people'. think i'm crazy? how bad do you think the world would be if a vast majority of people didn't believe there was some magical thing watching everything you do, and will punish you if you fuck up too much? religion teaches people to ignore certain basic human instincts.. the major one of course being self gratification, whatever makes you happy....

you're not supposed to have sex before your maried or cheat, but self gratification makes you want to have sex with everyone you find attractive (i know someone's bound to try and deny that, but.. face it it's true) it certainly makes you want to have sex with more than one person your whole life. and that's exactly what it means when it says premarital sex is bad, and adultry is bad... human nature is also influenced in another way, revenge... someone rapes your daughter, or kills one of your loved ones, you want to do it right back to them, but you can't, becuase god says murder is wrong, and so is revenge (the bible tells you if someone spits in your face, you are to turn the other cheek) and even moreso, you are not to hand out punishment or judge any man.. including ones who have wronged you, becasue if you do, you shall be judged as well...

there's alot more points similar to the two above, but those two are the strongest, and i'm trying to spare as much length as i can. something else funny about christianity... everytime something good happens, it was gods will, praise god god is good ect ect.. but when something bad happens (apart from death) it was the work of the devil... so i ask what the hell? surely god is more powerful then satan, so why would he allow him to remain, when he could get rid of him for good? why would he create this world, and fill it with both good and evil, when god only wants you to be good? when lucifer fell, god didn't rid him from existence, he 'banished him to hell' supposedly. so obviously god isn't AS GOOD as everyone claims him to be. for that matter, why would he add in pain and suffering? is he vindictive? does he hate his creation that much? if so, why is always known "god is love". when evidence is right there he is not love, he has instituted pain, suffering, disease, death, ect ect.. oh and lets not forget if you do bad he's going to send you to hell to burn and suffer forever... that doesn't sound too loving to me.

another thing that's always bugged me, is the fact that the bible was written by man, and only one person is ever to of known to have a conversation with god, (personally i want whatever moses was on, for him to see a burning bush talking to him and think it was god) and that doesn't happen for awhile in the bible... so where did all this other information come from? how can you honestly believe it's not all made up? god didn't sit down next to some dude and start dictating what to write. another point, is early in the bible people are living hundreds of years, the longest i remember was close to 800 years... in olden days, the average life span was 20-30 years... only as we progressed in medicine and health did people start to live into their 90's and 100's... so, according to this information, people had outrageously long life spans, even by today's standards, then suddenly dropped to a mere fraction of what it used to be, then started climbing again.

all of this, and people call me crazy for NOT believing... i'm not crazy, i analyze and take in facts. i could prove god is not real far before you could prove he is real. i'm not saying i can prove it, just that i'd be able to prove my belief before you could prove yours. so, for your own sake, the next time you come across a non-believer and feel compelled to call us crazy or stupid or the like, do yourself a favor and just let it go. because to us non-believers, you believers look like real gullable idiots. also, if you're religion is real, why do you feel the need so bad to defend it? i think it's becuase every believer, somewhere deep down, you question your own faith, and you are not defending it to us, you're defending it to yourself. but no believer will ever admit to that what if thought that is only human nature. i, on the other hand will admit sometimes i think 'what if', it's never enough to make me go back to that old life style. when i was a practicing christian, i had more stress in my life then i do now. i had to sweat every bad thing i did, go to church, pray all the time, read the bible ect ect.. i believe strong enough god doesn't exist that doing all that seems highly unnesicary... if god is truely what you make him out to be, he doesn't need to be worshiped, he doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness, he doesn't need to be studied.. if he is what you make him out to be, when i die it won't matter what i have or have not done, he will look in my heart to see that i am good and pass me through to heaven. as there is no hell, because a loving god would not subject his 'children' to that.
I hope ur hand didnt get too tired cause i didnt read any of that.

[PlantBoxer]

I had the forced religion, forced on to me from birth, till I was old enough to run away from home. EVERY SUNDAY MORNING, SUNDAY EVENING, WEDNESDAY NIGHT PRAYER SERVICE!!! Bible study, Vacation Bible school, Prayer for old folks homes, prayer this and that!!Praise Jesus!!

I didnt hate Christianity, I didnt hate Catholics, nor anyone elses religion, but I didnt think things were right either, coming back from the dead, um yeah ok!! Many discrepancies in the bible, to much magic, magical beings. To much stuff that goes aginst scientific law. Then to just blindly say "it's a FAITH" !! Sorry that does not compute.

Then a few years ago, on a Libertarian web site, I stumbled into the letters from Thomas Paine, and I saw he was a Diest. I had never heard that term, so off I went to find out and read. In a very short while, as I was reading about the discrepancies in the bible...it dawned on me, this is what I believe, and damn, there are thousands of others, and it's not some fly by night, whacked out group, our first 3 presidenst were Diest's, or in other words, they believe in God as a creator, and if you can picture a clockmaker, that as he builds a clock, he starts the pendiulem swinging...then walks away and lets the clock do it's thing.

I've NEVER, in my life felt more at peace in my mind, as did that day. I will Never Ever, let any religious person make me feel inferior, because I dont believe in faith whatsoever. I believe in science, and what is explained by science, but faith... sorry none for me thanks anyway!!

[Matt the Funk]

I've NEVER, in my life felt more at peace in my mind, as did that day. I will Never Ever, let any religious person make me feel inferior, because I dont believe in faith whatsoever. I believe in science, and what is explained by science, but faith... sorry none for me thanks anyway!!

Word. Once I rid myself of a real relgion besides doing what I think is right, I've felt better and more free.

[thecreator]

I kinda got lost in the human words thing. I just don't like this argument because that means to take it further we would have to challenge the existence of everything with a man given name. Which is everything known to us. I could just as easily ask then what is Yahweh(God)? I know I've read in the dead sea scrolls and the Torah but again these are the words of man. I liked it but i think i would of challenged it a bit more if i were the professor.

[slipknotpsycho]

I hope ur hand didnt get too tired cause i didnt read any of that.

nope didn't get tired at all....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

god is mind, awareness, and we are all god, and as such, we create evil both through our perceptions, and the perceptions of our actions.

[Matt the Funk]

pureEvil are you saying that just because you believe in god, god is real. and that nobody elses opinion really matter

That and that other people agree with him. lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you know what i love?

when people act like "typical christians" when attacking typical christians...


blows my mind...

[Specialty Cakes]

another trippy thought (and forgive me, I have read none of this, but I felt my post fit the title). If the Bible is totally and completely true (not my belief but to each his own) then the idea of man's word being law in God's heaven and on earth or w/e means that all these people who commit atrocities in the name of God and Jesus, and all these rappers making obscene videos in the name of Jesus, does that mean that those deities are completely responsible for the actions or these miscreants? IS God responsible for the actions done in his name? Or is he only responsible for the ones that people considered "non heretics" and "holy" do? And how are we to know which is which.

The conclusion that "I" have come to is that IF God exists, then he is completely responsible for everything that happens on Earth, and he is one SADISTIC mother!

[Matt the Funk]

assuming that that is correct...

why would he even make the thread in the first place if he didnt care about any1 elses opinions except for those who agree with him...

reminds me of anti cannabis people

To get us to agree with him I guess, or just to express his opinion. I dunno I don't like him.

[PureEvil760]

Well i may seem blindingly strait forward just because God is real but noone wants to edjucate themselves about it therefore your just saying you dont believe when you put no effort into researching its existance...Ok you thought about it, wow you must be an expert, ok you went to church hahaha thats a joke, seriously if you take a few minutes to gain a grain of an educated thought process maybe you would lift just a tad out of ignorance, out of the mud I see everyone stuck in.

[PureEvil760]

Theoretically those that argue for the non-existance of god are the same as those that argue that it is real. Saying its not real is the same as saying it is real, the only difference is there is a substancial amount of evidence that proves beyond a resonable doubt that it is real. Your just too lazy to look. Evil is a MUCH easier objective than the light of god, so i understand your ignorance and accept it as always. People like me are known as warriors of the light, can you see why? Its few versus many.

[Matt the Funk]

Well i may seem blindingly strait forward just because God is real but noone wants to edjucate themselves about it therefore your just saying you dont believe when you put no effort into researching its existance...Ok you thought about it, wow you must be an expert, ok you went to church hahaha thats a joke, seriously if you take a few minutes to gain a grain of an educated thought process maybe you would lift just a tad out of ignorance, out of the mud I see everyone stuck in.

There is no proof, if there was all these christian conservatives would put it all over the news. You are calling me ignorant because you agree with something you can't prove...

[PureEvil760]

Ah but there is proof, you will not find it in any religeon. Like I said even Jesus is against Christians.

[slipknotpsycho]

Theoretically those that argue for the non-existance of god are the same as those that argue that it is real. Saying its not real is the same as saying it is real, the only difference is there is a substancial amount of evidence that proves beyond a resonable doubt that it is real. Your just too lazy to look. Evil is a MUCH easier objective than the light of god, so i understand your ignorance and accept it as always. People like me are known as warriors of the light, can you see why? Its few versus many.

lol you're really starting to make me laugh... like i said earlier i can admit i have what if thoughts sometimes.. :wtf: but you dude lmao... you're talking like you've actually met god and know without a doubt he is real....which isn't faith, but beligerent ignorance...

anyways,


the only difference is there is a substancial amount of evidence that proves beyond a resonable doubt that it is real

so, educate us 'idiot' non believers then... show me this proof... if there is substantial proof he is real, then there should be no problem, showing proof...

but there is a catch, words of man don't count... the only absolute proof, would be pictures or video that substantiate your claims. pure, undenyable, unadulterated, unexplainable happenings... not weird coincedences that happen and someone says it's a miracle either...

[slipknotpsycho]

yea really if the proof is so real prove it to us.

and one clear thing i can say about it not being real is...


evil is the absence of god as you say and isnt god supposed to be everywhere and watching everything and being perfect

i didn't think of that, but i can also already see his response...

"if you choose to not accept god then he is of course absent" or somethign along those lines...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the mind is a wonderful thing slipnot...


if you choose not to accept a thought, that thought is absent.


god is no being or deity, but the essence of consciousness/awareness/mind/and thought, in that sense, we are all god, and god is all that is.

as such, in general, god is what we think god is.

then again, i could just as easily be wrong, and god could be some random grain of sand deep under the earth in the Sahara desert :rolleyes:


but throughout all my research of different philosophies and religions, though not STUDYING them, just a glance, the only thing that makes logical sense is that all that exists is mind, and all that exists is an illusion of the mind, thusly the mind is god.

:smokin:

[Matt the Funk]

thats a much more acceptable and respectful answer then "you are all ignorant because you dont believe what i say. And with that being said i can easily agree with that, actully i do agree with that.

Word. Except I add on my own little beliefs.

[slipknotpsycho]

even i can agree with that... except if that's true, what's the point in christianity and other religions.. if everything is god, and there is no power deity... what's all the worship about?

just to see if my thinkings are accurate, SSW, do you not beleive in any typical religion? i'm just trying to understand your thought process a little more, it intrests me.

even tho i'm not christian and disbelieve the typical religions, i still do follow some parts of the bible, becuase they are good qualities in life, well soem of them.

mainly, do to others as you would have them do to you.. i fully believe in karma... do good out of the kindness of your heart, and eventually it will come back to you in a good way. do someone wrongly, and it too, will come back upon you.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

even i can agree with that... except if that's true, what's the point in christianity and other religions.. if everything is god, and there is no power deity... what's all the worship about?

just to see if my thinkings are accurate, SSW, do you not beleive in any typical religion? i'm just trying to understand your thought process a little more, it intrests me.

even tho i'm not christian and disbelieve the typical religions, i still do follow some parts of the bible, becuase they are good qualities in life, well soem of them.

mainly, do to others as you would have them do to you.. i fully believe in karma... do good out of the kindness of your heart, and eventually it will come back to you in a good way. do someone wrongly, and it too, will come back upon you.




religion was started as a means to control the thoughts of others.

government was then reinforced to control their actions.


Free will is the only law. but good luck with that! :( ever since religion and government took hold, free will has been reduced more and more. D=<

[Pass That Shit]

Isa.45
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Prov.16
[4] The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.


Stay tuned. The Kingdom of God is COMING. We're taking over the new Earth. :hippy:

[PureEvil760]

Its funny because it seems like the "believers" have looked for information all by themselves. Just because I work for the light doesnt mean I have to be nice. Erase everything you think you might know about God, its all false.

[PureEvil760]

John 10:23-30 (KJV)
And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

[Polymirize]

verses? how trite.

You shouldn't neglect to erase all of those... they're false as well.

milk for the sheep and those without the teeth to chew.

[PureEvil760]

Well they are worded much differently. Are you just following me flaming all my posts? Thats getting pretty "trite" also.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

....god is no being or deity, but the essence of consciousness/awareness/mind/and thought, in that sense, we are all god....
if you take out that objectionable word "god", it has far too many negative connotations, and eliminate the idea that there is a direction to this force; even i could find common ground with your concept. the major stumbling block for most schools of spiritual thought is that they tend to anthropomorphize that force, giving it their own face and goals. all natures have no aim but growth, whether spiritual or physical, and no end but eventual death and rebirth in another, usually totally unrelated, form. the very idea that such a force could have any desire at all is just another of man's many conceits. the desire for worship and conformity belongs to man alone.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

if you take out that objectionable word "god", it has far too many negative connotations, and eliminate the idea that there is a direction to this force; even i could find common ground with your concept. the major stumbling block for most schools of spiritual thought is that they tend to anthropomorphize that force, giving it their own face and goals. all natures have no aim but growth, whether spiritual or physical, and no end but eventual death and rebirth in another, usually totally unrelated, form. the very idea that such a force could have any desire at all is just another of man's many conceits. the desire for worship and conformity belongs to man alone.



i only use the word to familiarize people with what i speak of.


god is the same as awareness, consciousness, mind, thought, and idea.

[lazy smoker7]

well from my understanding... god created a angel and it was his best angel. But the angel become jealous of gods power and wanted to be more powerful than god and god punished the angel and sent him away and that when this angel turned into pure evil wanting to be the "better god" or whatever... The only thing I am lost about is why dosent god just destroy the evil a long time ago before sin ever started so none of us will suffer because if god can tell what the end of the world is going to be like in the bible must means he can see into the future then why would he have created the angel knowing that it was going to turn evil? which is one question I am lost about??? anyways thats all I kno comming from a christian point of view.....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

stories concocted by man, by man with nary a shred of understanding of what god IS.


so naturally, god is portrayed as a person, or being, because truly, it is impossible to be better than the ALL of reality.


you are lost because you do not recognize god as the mind, the thoughts, the ideas of the universe, but as a being of immense power and knowledge.


the superconscious mind is the only semblance of this kind of a god, the collective minds of all.


the reason we do not is because we have free will, for we ALL are god, we from the ant to the rock, from the dog to the human being, are all god.

sin and evil exist so long as WE allow it to, and as you should know very well, two wrongs dont make a right, if we are to use evil to cast out evil, we only create more evil.

[gabee42ee]

Yeah I have. Spiritual experiences, ghosts, aruas, talking to "god". I've done/expierienced it all. And then at one point I relieved and learned, no god, I'm just crazy. You don't need god to have a purpose in life, for it to be fufilling. A lot of times I feel like religion is for the hopeless/weak minded. Now don't get me wrong I don't think I am any better than you. I have more experiences I can not explain which I have had on psychedelics. Your life is pointless. You live for experience, and when you die you become part of the higher chain of life. That is the true meaning of life, it is the infinite cirlce of life.

i tottaly agree i think god and the idea of heaven are for the weak ... it is something someone created to help them cope with the idea of death and life

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i tottaly agree i think god and the idea of heaven are for the weak ... it is something someone created to help them cope with the idea of death and life


i see your machismo point of view a sign of weakness. :hippy: live and let live, that's what i say :smokin:

[smoke it]

i tottaly agree i think god and the idea of heaven are for the weak ... it is something someone created to help them cope with the idea of death and life

yup. thats it.

[Polymirize]

i see your machismo point of view a sign of weakness. :hippy: live and let live, that's what i say :smokin:


I see your self-superiority point of view as a sign of insecurity. :rasta:

[Wesley Pipes]

i recently read a comic... a Spawn comic, he battles both god and the devil, this particular one saw the big fight, armageddon, everything on earth dead, spawn wipes out both the armies of god and the devil... leaving just them, they both kill spawn (for like the 4th time) and it is revealed that god and the devil are actually brothers, both immortal, both unlimited power, both hate each other with a vengeance, they end up fighting each other on a dead planet once known as earth (when i say dead i mean dead, not even a single blade of grass left)....

anyways, spawn is now a god himself at this point, he has control over a new earth (in which everything has been restored to the way it was, kinda like another dimension), aswell as heaven and hell thanks to the universal being known as "The Creator"...

thing is, everyone now being back alive still have the memories of what took place on armaggedon, there is now world peace, spawn then decides to destroy heaven and hell and also requests that he be made human again, which he is, right after he explains that "humans now control their own destiny, that it's time they grew up and learned how to get by themselves".

so now, without religion of any kind whatsoever, there is world peace and united harmony, very cool story imo, take from it what you will :D

Peace :hippy:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I see your self-superiority point of view as a sign of insecurity. :rasta:


LOL i see all machismo as a sign of weakness :P also, i am superior to no one, i simply see that accusations are generally stemming from the self more than the accused.


if you see a lifestyle as weak, i believe it is an insecurity that your own is weaker.



also, have a random penis:


Jannet jacksons!


:wtf:


i didnt know she had one :D




edit:
oh yeah, and im not insecure about my beliefs, so that wouldnt apply :P

im insecure about my gender, and that's the only insecurity i am consciously aware or

[Specialty Cakes]

Theoretically those that argue for the non-existance of god are the same as those that argue that it is real. Saying its not real is the same as saying it is real, the only difference is there is a substancial amount of evidence that proves beyond a resonable doubt that it is real. Your just too lazy to look. Evil is a MUCH easier objective than the light of god, so i understand your ignorance and accept it as always. People like me are known as warriors of the light, can you see why? Its few versus many.

HAHA, I literally laughed my ASS off when I read this rediculous drivel. Don't spit this bullshitout your mouth unless you want someones fist in it, cause you keep talkin to people like this your liable to get your ass beat to hell.
DAMN I'm baked :jointsmile:

[PureEvil760]

You could try, Im trained in Kempo, Jujutsu, Aki-Jodo, self trained with nunchaukus, sword, and bo staff..and about 2 months in Tai Chi. Also i find that everyone seems trapped in mud to me, i can move and think much faster than others, so good luck.

Oh and maybe if you wer'nt blinded by your own ego you would have an idea of what I was talking about. If you said that to me in real life, you would be in the hospital right now.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

TRAINING is one thing, however SKILL is another.


all around, one without the other is still pretty useless... but still better than someone with none of either!


also, i studied Shotokan (street fighter, Akuma, Dan, Ken, and Ryu) and Yoga (Dhalsim) so im über leet :D

LOL i also studied Ninjutsu (Naruto) :P

ooh ooh what else? hmm.... whatever fighting style mario and luigi have :P XD

oh and fei long, cant forget Street Fighter's Bruce Lee imitation! :P


heh im dooone... now i need training :P

[Polymirize]

Oh and maybe if you wer'nt blinded by your own ego you would have an idea of what I was talking about. If you said that to me in real life, you would be in the hospital right now.

Why? Because you'd beat him up for insulting your ego. hypocrite.


Is there anything sadder than someone who brags on an internet forum about how he's self trained in the nunchuku and a warrior of the light?

[40oz]

Hey I'm a warrior of the light too! Darkness got nothing on me.

[Wesley Pipes]

Theoretically those that argue for the non-existance of god are the same as those that argue that it is real. Saying its not real is the same as saying it is real, the only difference is there is a substancial amount of evidence that proves beyond a resonable doubt that it is real. Your just too lazy to look. Evil is a MUCH easier objective than the light of god, so i understand your ignorance and accept it as always. People like me are known as warriors of the light, can you see why? Its few versus many.

what in the great blue fuck are you on about???

show me this evidence that proves God and the Devil are real??

scientific studies have waaaaaaay more evidence dis-proving God and the rest

fyi your full of bull poo... if you did really believe in god then evidence would'nt matter to you, you would get by on your faith alone.

[Oneironaut]

A University professor at a well-known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question.

"Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.
To this the student replied,
"Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
I'm going to ignore for a second that this story is a complete lie about Einstein's beliefs...(even if it wasn't, what are the chances a fellow student would be there writing down every word they were saying?)

There is a big difference between not doing good things and actively doing evil things. It's one thing to not pull over and help someone with a flat tire. It's quite another to pull over, rape them, shoot them in the face, and steal their money before driving on. Einstein and his professor both made the mistake of failing to distinguish between amorality and immorality.

That being said, Einstein clearly did not believe in a personal god who concerned himself with things like human morality. Here are a couple of telling quotes from him (taken from Albert Einstein - Wikiquote (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein)):

â??It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.â?�

â??Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is, if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God.â?�

[PureEvil760]

A "personal God" is a different concept than what he was talking about to the professor.

[Wesley Pipes]

A "personal God" is a different concept than what he was talking about to the professor.

bull poo yet again, i personally don't believe in god, he has no place in my life or in my heart, but i am not evil. ;)

[Specialty Cakes]

who let this zealot ON here? seriously, what the hell did he expect from a website like this? that we were going to bow to him, accept his god, and worship him for showing us the light? you are wasting your time puffing your spiritual feathers here

[GHoSToKeR]

you cant prove god exists, you cant prove god doesnt exist, you cant prove if he made evil, etc. however if you are saying god created humans and humans made evil, well take a logic class and youll see the answer is simple. but really why bother talking about it when you dont know. the fact is this is a question with no provable answer or even anything close to it. it is like how people still argue about what happens after you die. nobody knows, nobody will ever know, i just dont know why people want to get so worked up sometimes and can just assume they can be right about something that either isnt a matter of right and wrong or simply cannot be answered. then its just blowin smoke. and if you are gonna blow smoke, then why not blow those trees

Awesome response. :)

[slipknotpsycho]

A "personal God" is a different concept than what he was talking about to the professor.

i take it you were there?

[Matt the Funk]

i take it you were there?
lol This thread is pretty funny in general...

[couch-potato]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

[thCA livin]

I could type a whole page of what I believe...however, it all really comes down to one thing...

Personal Opinion.

There is nothing more annoying than people trying to preach some information into you about their religion...not only that... its their own version of that specific religion.

I can understand some may want to explain, and Im game for an open discussion about the matter....however, when you start demanding things or trying to convince me that your religion is right and mine wrong..thats when things go ugly.

I cant think of one thing "God" has done that I have proof of...plain and simple.. off to the blunt. Sayonaras

[PureEvil760]

I really think i'm in a test of compassion right now because, I really do feel bad for those who live in low vibration and think that, that is all that is real. They live in little dream worlds each one usually drastically different from one another. Thier ego will just fight to the death.

[peacetrain]

No....humans created the concept of evil. And rightly so.

For that matter, they also created the concept of God :P