Help Identify Nirvana indoor mix.

[SmokenJoe]

Well I started some of my indoor mix seeds just need help to identify them. The strains they come with is Master Kush, Afgan, PPP, Skunk#1, and Nirvana special
The first two pics are the ones I need identified.


I have AK and WW growing also in the pics.

Thanks.

[SmokenJoe]

Anyone ever work with these? :jointsmile:

[SmokenJoe]

Here is an update on what they look like now the first two pics are the unknown and the third is of the whole garden. How about now can anyone tell?:pimp:

[freewheelinfrank]

no one can positively identify strains by looking at photos, and in reality, you can't be 100% sure of any plant you didn't personally breed, etc. - cut-rate 'breeders' like Nirvana muddy the waters even more, because, quite simply, their seeds are cheap, and you get what you pay for (they don't have the necessary several generations of breeding to stabilize their strain) - that takes time, and 'time is money' - what you bought are F2s, unstable and of questionable origins - no worries, this doesn't mean you can't grow great plants with cheap seeds, only to not expect much in the way of stability - (no biggie for me, I grow plants to smoke, not to win contests, and I don't judge smoke by fancy names, either) :jointsmile:

[freewheelinfrank]

Here is an update on what they look like now the first two pics are the unknown and the third is of the whole garden. How about now can anyone tell?:pimp:

btw, the first pic looks sativa-dominant, and the second looks indica-dominant (that's what is meant by 'instability', predominant in F2s) don't worry too about it, just smoke 'em :jointsmile:

[puddlecruzier]

well i can tell you this you got some indica dom plants and some sativa dom plants. they look good harvest well and enjoy

[stinkyattic]

PPP is supposed to be a sativa-descended strain but I've seen it (Demeter's got one) and it has rather broad leaves for a sat... hmmm... because that first pic is DEFINITELY not the afghan, lol!

[freewheelinfrank]

PPP is supposed to be a sativa-descended strain but I've seen it (Demeter's got one) and it has rather broad leaves for a sat... hmmm... because that first pic is DEFINITELY not the afghan, lol!

but, Stinky - is that a good seedbank, and will they ship to me in the United States? - and, should I use a money order or ship to somewhere else ? LOL, and what if my Mom finds them? - LOL - LOL - :D :jointsmile: miss ya sweetie, Reaper says HI - good luck with the new love life :)

[stinkyattic]

but, Stinky - is that a good seedbank, and will they ship to me in the United States? - and, should I use a money order or ship to somewhere else ? LOL, and what if my Mom finds them? - LOL - LOL - :D :jointsmile: miss ya sweetie, Reaper says HI - good luck with the new love life :)aw thanks Frank! Naw seedboutique sucks, I got all my seeds but the seedlings died, so it must be their fault, and yeah, I was growing them under my bed in a bedroom I share with my little sister, and using a light bulb that I stole from my mom's bedside table.
hahahahah
I'm just kidding peeps, SB is perfectly fine!

[SmokenJoe]

so I don't really have the strains they said? They could be anything. Is that what your telling me? I thought even know there F2's they still can be a specific strain. Is this not true?

[stinkyattic]

Well not quite... Frank correct me if I'm wrong... Nirvana DOES have a good rep; not stellar seeds but solid, they're just cheap, and the F2s almost by definition have increased phenotypic variability, which can actually be a POSITIVE thing if you buy a pack of seeds, grow them all out, and keep the best for a mother, because while with all the differences you could hav a couple crappy ones, a few average ones, and an exceptional female worthy of cloning the living fuck out of.
Even though they are F2s they ARE the same strain, but not exactly as the original breeder had intended necessarily, unless that strain is stable to begin with. Here's the funky part, if the strain was originally an F1 hybrid (common), for the F2s to be more similar, the ORIGINAL parents had to be fairly similar! Anyway yeah, go read up on your Punnett squares and Mendel's peas, lol.

[freewheelinfrank]

Well not quite... Frank correct me if I'm wrong... Nirvana DOES have a good rep; not stellar seeds but solid, they're just cheap, and the F2s almost by definition have increased phenotypic variability, which can actually be a POSITIVE thing if you buy a pack of seeds, grow them all out, and keep the best for a mother, because while with all the differences you could hav a couple crappy ones, a few average ones, and an exceptional female worthy of cloning the living fuck out of.
Even though they are F2s they ARE the same strain, but not exactly as the original breeder had intended necessarily, unless that strain is stable to begin with. Here's the funky part, if the strain was originally an F1 hybrid (common), for the F2s to be more similar, the ORIGINAL parents had to be fairly similar! Anyway yeah, go read up on your Punnett squares and Mendel's peas, lol.



yup, Stinky has the good info, she knows what she's talking about - there are a few decent-priced breeders out there, Nirvana, Joey Weed, Motarebel, etc, and the most common questions are "why are they cheaper?" - well, it's basically a situation of a breeder taking several generations over a few years' time to achieve the desired seeds, OR, someone taking quality seeds, and just growing their own seeds from them - you may wind up with offspring quite different than the parents - as Stinky said, that does give you a chance at some interesting phenos to play with - AND, there is a peculiar tendency with differing strains, it's called "hybrid vigor" - that's what happens when two 'different' strains are crossed, and the offspring will often be BETTER than the original parents - pretty cool, actually - the biggest nuisance about un-stabilized strains is having some short, some tall, some bushy, some spindly, etc ... not that a big deal, but it can be a pain in the butt, if you're growing indoors, where uniformity generally makes things easier :jointsmile:

[JackdaWack]

yeah if your intentions were to know exactly what you are growing, mixed bags were definately not the way to go. I have never ordered seeds and know very little about strains and there breeders quality but you definately grow what you by.