View Full Version : Tehran slams ??anti-Iranian? 300 Movie
Psycho4Bud
03-14-2007, 04:16 PM
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - The hit American movie ``300'' has angered Iranians who say the Greeks-vs-Persians action flick insults their ancient culture and provokes animosity against Iran.
``Hollywood declares war on Iranians,'' blared a headline in Tuesday's edition of the independent Ayende-No newspaper.
State-run television has run several commentaries the past two days calling the film insulting and has brought on Iranian film directors to point out its historical inaccuracies.
``The film depicts Iranians as demons, without culture, feeling or humanity, who think of nothing except attacking other nations and killing people,'' Ayende-No said in its article Tuesday.
``It is a new effort to slander the Iranian people and civilization before world public opinion at a time of increasing American threats against Iran,'' it said.
Iran's biggest circulation newspaper, Hamshahri, said ``300'' is ``serving the policy of the U.S. leadership'' and predicted it will ``prompt a wave of protest in the world. ... Iranians living in the U.S. and Europe will not be indifferent about this obvious insult.''
Iranians Outraged by `300' Movie | News | Guardian Unlimited Film (http://film.guardian.co.uk/apnews/story/0,,-6478028,00.html)
A cultural advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad branded the movie as an "American psychological warfare against Iran."
But Iranian culture is strong enough to withstand the assault, Javad Shamaghdari told the semi-official Fars news agency.
"American cultural officials thought they could get mental satisfaction by plundering Iran's historic past and insulting this civilization," he said.
"Following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture.
"Certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."
Three lawmakers in the Iranian parliament have also written to the foreign ministry to protest the production and screening of this "anti-Iranian Hollywood film".
Tehran slams ??anti-Iranian? Hollywood film - (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12945)
I agree that this movie could be considered offensive and I think that we should go by the example that Tehran sets: Lets have Bush give a speach in D.C. and at the same time have tens of thousands chant "Death to Iran"and burn up some Iranian flags. That IS what they consider acceptable.....
Have a good one!:s4:
medicinal
03-14-2007, 04:47 PM
Having not seen the movie (the trailers depict way too much violence for me), I really can't comment, but may I ask what is the problem? does the movie show persians getting their butts kicked, and if so, is it not a provocation aimed at Iran? It seems to me, If we want a peaceful solution to our differences, the last thing we (as a Nation) should do is make movies antagonizing them. Just my humble opinion. I know, I know, they want to cut off our heads and rape our women!
Psycho4Bud
03-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Having not seen the movie (the trailers depict way too much violence for me), I really can't comment, but may I ask what is the problem? does the movie show persians getting their butts kicked, and if so, is it not a provocation aimed at Iran? It seems to me, If we want a peaceful solution to our differences, the last thing we (as a Nation) should do is make movies antagonizing them. Just my humble opinion. I know, I know, they want to cut off our heads and rape our women!
lol...The movie was just made for entertainment ONLY! Initially the Spartans were able to hold off the attack but eventually were defeated under a hail of arrows. The movie didn't show the beheading of the King, which happened in reality.
So they can scream death to America, burn our flags, but we can't make a movie about a war that happened around 450 B.C.? Come on now......
Have a good one!:s4:
Fengzi
03-14-2007, 05:34 PM
So they can scream death to America, burn our flags, but we can't make a movie about a war that happened around 450 B.C.? Come on now......
Have a good one!:s4:
Good point Psycho :thumbsup: They have no problem bashing us or Isreal but God (I mean Allah) forbid anyone insult them. Now, if this was a movie that was supposed to take place in....let's say...2009, and showed the US nuking the shit out of them, I could understand why they might be upset. But hey, wishful thinking(I'm not saying I want to nuke Iran, by the way) or not, it's still just a movie. At least for the time being.
Hey Psycho, did you see this:
"Russia signaled sharp dissatisfaction Monday with Iran's defiant stance on nuclear issues, saying the start-up of a Russian-built nuclear reactor will be delayed and warning that Moscow will not join Tehran "in anti-American games""
Sign Up (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-russiran13mar13,1,997176.story?track=rss)
Looks like Putin has finally figured out that it would be much better to be friendly with the U.S. than some nut-job in the desert.
Fengzi
03-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Sorry, the link didn't work. Here's the full article:
MOSCOW — Russia signaled sharp dissatisfaction Monday with Iran's defiant stance on nuclear issues, saying the start-up of a Russian-built nuclear reactor will be delayed and warning that Moscow will not join Tehran "in anti-American games."
Atomstroyexport, the state-run company building Iran's first nuclear power plant, said the supply of fuel to the nearly completed Bushehr facility would not begin this month as planned because of unresolved disputes over financing. The scheduled September launch of the reactor will also be delayed, it said.
Meanwhile, an official described as "an insider" told the three main Russian news agencies that Tehran had abused its ties with Moscow on the nuclear issue.
Iran's defiance of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations' nuclear watchdog, has caused Russia to suffer "losses in relation to its foreign policy and image, but they insist on their line," the Itar-Tass agency quoted the unnamed official as saying.
"Iran with a nuclear bomb or a potential for its creation is impermissible for us," the official said. "We will not play with them in anti-American games…. The Iranians are abusing our constructive attitude and have done nothing to help us convince our colleagues of Tehran's consistency."
Andrei Kortunov, president of the New Eurasia Foundation, a Moscow think tank, said the statement clearly was "an organized leak" designed to be "an unofficial official reprimand" to Iran.
"It is a serious public warning to Iran's leadership," Kortunov said. "This is a serious sign that Iran may eventually find itself in international isolation." The five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — Britain, China, France, Russia and the U.S. — have been considering a resolution aimed at tightening sanctions against Iran for its refusal to stop its uranium enrichment program. Tehran says the program is intended only to make fuel for civilian energy production; Washington charges that the effort is aimed at producing nuclear weapons.
Moscow has sought to continue working with Iran on the $1-billion Bushehr plant while urging it to cooperate with the IAEA to reassure the world that its nuclear program is peaceful.
But in recent weeks, negotiations over payment for Russia's work have turned acrimonious. Talks in Moscow last week ended without agreement. Further talks were scheduled for this week in Tehran.
A spokesman for Atomstroyexport was quoted by state-run Russian news agency RIA Novosti on Monday as saying the supply of nuclear fuel for Bushehr would not begin this month because Iran had refused to sign documents on resuming payments for the project. Russia says Iran has failed to make agreed-upon payments of $25 million a month. Iran says it has met its financial obligations.
"Today we are facing an unprecedented attitude on the part of the Iranian side to the Bushehr project, which was until recently considered the flagship of Russian-Iranian cooperation," the company spokesman said.
In Tehran, Kazem Jalali, an Iranian lawmaker, sharply criticized delays in the project and said Iranian-Russian relations could suffer.
"Any procrastination and delay in construction and delivery of the Bushehr power plant can reverse the balance in favor of those not calling for ties with Russia," the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency quoted him as saying. Some Iranian leaders think that Russia is not a trusted partner and that the delays are the result of pressure from world powers, Jalali said.
Ivan Safranchuk, director of the Moscow office of the Washington-based Center for Defense Information, said Russia was "taking advantage of the technical problems with Iran to send a political message."
"Iran is on the verge of severing relations with the IAEA, and Russia is clearly warning against such a dangerous step," Safranchuk said. "It is clear that no one — even Russia — will supply nuclear fuel to Iran once it breaks relations with the IAEA.
"Iran has been playing games with the U.S., Europe and Russia for a long time now, trying to take advantage of their mutual differences, but Russia is now making it clear to Iran that there is a limit to such manipulation," Safranchuk said.
Kortunov said Moscow's tougher attitude toward Iran was also prompted by a desire to avoid further damage to Russian-U.S. relations, which have deteriorated in the last few years.
"Russia can't afford to spoil relations with the United States any more deeply and doesn't intend to continue to irritate Washington over Iran," he said.
Psycho4Bud
03-14-2007, 05:44 PM
"Iran with a nuclear bomb or a potential for its creation is impermissible for us," the official said. "We will not play with them in anti-American games?. The Iranians are abusing our constructive attitude and have done nothing to help us convince our colleagues of Tehran's consistency."
Considering the fact that Iran backs Chechen rebels, this doesn't suprise me...I was wondering what the hell Moscow's problem was. You don't help arm the friends of your enemies with nukes.
Have a good one!:s4:
Fengzi
03-14-2007, 06:02 PM
.I was wondering what the hell Moscow's problem was. You don't help arm the friends of your enemies with nukes.
:s4:
This really surprises you?? Shit, we train our enemies. It's the same all over, it's all about the $$$.
SeNsEmIlLa
03-14-2007, 06:44 PM
Give me a break... i say we just drop a big one over em and call it a day:D
higher4hockey
03-15-2007, 12:19 AM
maybe they should get fucked. i wonder how offended they're going to be when when bush decides to invade. ridiculous.
"nuke'em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
illuminati
03-15-2007, 12:24 AM
If I'm correct, it was a movie about the 300 Spartans that kicked Persian ass, not 300 Americans. Maybe they should be pissed at the Spartans and Greeks?
word.
PatrickHenry
03-15-2007, 12:44 AM
Dude the movie was freaking rad. The Iranians can kiss my ASS!
BlazinTreesX3
03-15-2007, 01:30 AM
PSYCHO4BUD DID YOU DO WHAT I THINK
I read a few words then mouse wheel when FLYING to hide the rest.
Did you try to ruin the damn movie for me or am i trippin. This one movie im dying to see just biding til the right Bud comes around.
AHAHHA time to go make myself forget if you know what i mean
*guess if its so important to me i oughta not read any post to do with it (300) but thought this one might be .safe. *
Im getting a pleasurable high from marijuana if you didnt catch my drift.
PatrickHenry
03-15-2007, 01:36 AM
Dude everyone knows the end prior to watching the movie. It doesn't make it any worse, trust me!
Its just history. That would be like saying all WWII movies are aimed at degrading german, italian, and japanese people. Honestly, that totally just made Iran go lower in my point of view. I hope the youth of that country has the balls to realize their gov't is almost brainwashing them with propaganda. More so than America is to us lol. Besides most people could care less who fought who. Its all about the cinematics and violence when it comes to movies.
medicinal
03-15-2007, 03:48 AM
So they can scream death to America, burn our flags, but we can't make a movie about a war that happened around 450 B.C.? Come on now......
When you're right, you're right. They over react to any criticism. This usually results in more anti-Islamic sentiment by Westerners and the whole thing escalates into a worse situation. But you have to wonder if this isn't a ploy by the pro-war neocons to feed the war machine. I'm not for taking any crap from Islamists over a movie about something that happened 2500 years ago by Greeks and other non-westerners,. but this appears to be a ramping up of war rhetoric to fuel Bush's agenda of attacking Iran. There are those that advocate, "just Nuke them all" but when the incoming nukes arrive, I'll bet they have second thoughts. In fact, most of those people don't know the feelng of incoming at all. If you've ever been on the recieving end of ordnance, you have a new appreciation of the destructive power of explosives.
Pipe Dreams
03-15-2007, 07:06 AM
awsome movie.
Reefer Rogue
03-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Give me a break... i say we just drop a big one over em and call it a day:D
ugh =/
These criticisms are farcical. It's a MOVIE.
Psycho4Bud
03-15-2007, 11:06 PM
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Iran says "Death to Israel!".........the left in here state it's because of Palistine....no big deal!
Iran builds up a 12 million man suicide squade.......the left in here says what the hell, their just protecting themselves.
Iran goes for Nuclear Technology.......the left says what the hell, they are just looking for peaceful power options.
Iran slams American made movie 300!!.....Here's a comment from the left which holds pretty consistent: "I say we should send 300 little nuclear wooden soldiers for the Iranians to place around their Deathmas trees."
FUCK ISRAEL.......GOD SAVE HOLLYWOOD!!!:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
sleepless
03-15-2007, 11:52 PM
lol...The movie was just made for entertainment ONLY! Initially the Spartans were able to hold off the attack but eventually were defeated under a hail of arrows. The movie didn't show the beheading of the King, which happened in reality.
So they can scream death to America, burn our flags, but we can't make a movie about a war that happened around 450 B.C.? Come on now......
Have a good one!:s4:
its not the movie, its the propaganda behind it that they are angry about. by changing public oppinion about iran and demonising them, the usa government can and will wage war against them with the blessing of its blinkered people. during world war one the american population was largely pacifist, but the government wanted war so a plan of mass misinformation against the germans was put into place. lies like nuns being raped and babies being butchered by the germans swiftly changed public opinion and war was soon declared. a film like this softens up the pacifists and makes war seem more acceptable. the israelis seem to be able to get away with any atrocity they like and nobody seems to give a shit how many women and children they massacre.
Zimzum
03-16-2007, 12:02 AM
Its because the left doesn't play the moral card.
Im going to the book store to get this book (http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=83699&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=%2Fshows%2Fthe_daily_show%2Fvideos%2 Fmost_recent%2Findex.jhtml&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true). Sorry for comedy central adds but its worth the wait.
Fengzi
03-16-2007, 12:10 AM
its not the movie, its the propaganda behind it that they are angry about. by changing public oppinion about iran and demonising them, the usa government can and will wage war against them with the blessing of its blinkered people. during world war one the american population was largely pacifist, but the government wanted war so a plan of mass misinformation against the germans was put into place. lies like nuns being raped and babies being butchered by the germans swiftly changed public opinion and war was soon declared. a film like this softens up the pacifists and makes war seem more acceptable. the israelis seem to be able to get away with any atrocity they like and nobody seems to give a shit how many women and children they massacre.
What propaganda? If anyone is guilty of creating anti-Iran sentiment here in the U.S., at least in terms of this movie, it's the Iranians. Shit, I'd be willing to bet that 3/4 of American's don't even know Persians are from Iran. Most people would just go to the movie and not think twice about who the Persians were or where they came from. Now, however, people are simply pissed that the Iranians would have the balls to start trying to tell us what movies can and can't be made.
peacetrain
03-16-2007, 12:51 AM
It's just a movie, based off a graphic novel, based off a historic event that is so far in the past it bears no resemblance to our modern world in the first place.
it's a bad ass movie, and a visual feast. It would be a shame people missed out on it because they thought it was anti-anything. People are so stupid.
delusionsofNORMALity
03-16-2007, 01:35 AM
.... based off a historic event that is so far in the past it bears no resemblance to our modern world in the first place.
until someone pulls iran forward into the 18th century, the events in the movie will seem like modern day events to them.
birdgirl73
03-16-2007, 04:31 AM
Truer words were never spoken, Del-Norm. That poor society has regressed easily by three centuries in its theocratic state since 1979. And all it knows of the world and of other cultures are the carefully religiously controlled messages of its own Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Khamenei, and the propoganda of its assembly and president Ahmadinejad.
Our president and his war are responsible for a whole lot more of the trouble in that part of the world than many want to admit, but Iran's fundamentalist Shi'a craziness is largely responsible for the response we're now seeing, from Iran's nuclear ambitions to the insurgency in Iraq.
If someone made a movie with clothespins representing a traditionally Middle Eastern civilization and matchsticks representing a traditionall Western one, the Iranians and others like them would see it as anti-Islamic. In their way of thinking, there's only one true path--fundamentalist Islam--and they believe the whole Western world is against them. We've helped give them that impression, of course. And the scariest thing of all is that our own president obviously has the same one-true-path way of thinking, too, at least about the war itself and inflicting democracy on theocracy, which isn't ever going to happen. Neither side right now has any sense, to be honest. And crazy as their reaction to a silly movie is, our aggression over there is just as nuts.
cannabis=freedom
03-16-2007, 04:41 AM
That's a bullshit reaction. I'm largely of English descent, so should I go and bitch about Braveheart? Rhetorical question. Having said that, I do think Iran has every reason to resent America based on the way they treat them, but not over this. In fact, I don't think this is about a film at all, but the film is being used as an excuse to be angry at the U.S., as if they need another one.
andruejaysin
03-16-2007, 06:27 AM
Cool movie, but I missed any political point. Perhaps because we were on 4ho-mipt at the time. 25mgs was fucking intense.
rebgirl420
03-16-2007, 11:10 AM
Its just history. That would be like saying all WWII movies are aimed at degrading german, italian, and japanese people. Honestly, that totally just made Iran go lower in my point of view. I hope the youth of that country has the balls to realize their gov't is almost brainwashing them with propaganda. More so than America is to us lol. Besides most people could care less who fought who. Its all about the cinematics and violence when it comes to movies.
Thats funny because in a school right down the road from me they just held a big rally saying that WW2 shouldnt be taught the way it is now because its unfair to Germans and the Japanese. I thought it was a joke but no. How screwed up is that? Man if you dont know your history your doomed to repeat it. I know that since im majoring in History for my teaching career I would NEVER, repeat NEVER bow down to someone like that. Im sick and tired of being so goddamn politically correct! GRRRRR!!!
Delta9 UK
03-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Some great posts here, glad to see it isn't all hate, hate, hate - so typical of these forums at times :(
Fengzi
03-23-2007, 11:05 PM
Truer words were never spoken, Del-Norm. That poor society has regressed easily by three centuries in its theocratic state since 1979. And all it knows of the world and of other cultures are the carefully religiously controlled messages of its own Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Khamenei, and the propoganda of its assembly and president Ahmadinejad.
Our president and his war are responsible for a whole lot more of the trouble in that part of the world than many want to admit, but Iran's fundamentalist Shi'a craziness is largely responsible for the response we're now seeing, from Iran's nuclear ambitions to the insurgency in Iraq.
If someone made a movie with clothespins representing a traditionally Middle Eastern civilization and matchsticks representing a traditionall Western one, the Iranians and others like them would see it as anti-Islamic. In their way of thinking, there's only one true path--fundamentalist Islam--and they believe the whole Western world is against them. We've helped give them that impression, of course. And the scariest thing of all is that our own president obviously has the same one-true-path way of thinking, too, at least about the war itself and inflicting democracy on theocracy, which isn't ever going to happen. Neither side right now has any sense, to be honest. And crazy as their reaction to a silly movie is, our aggression over there is just as nuts.
Glad to see you have some common sense Birdgirl . Not that I ever doubted you anyway;) I'm amazed by all the people who are so supportive of Iran. A country who's leader is proud to be anti-semitic, filled with fundamentalist Muslims, and trying to get nukes. Not to mention the fact that now, especially after Lil' Georgie's war, they are clearly the dominant force in the Middle East. Well....after us of course.
I'm not out banging the war gong like Bong or P4B but I know bad news when I see it. I mean, if it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck; chances are it is a duck. George Bush wanted to finish what Daddy started but Ahmadinejad wants to finish what Hitler started. That type of guy doesn't deserve any kind of empathy or compassion.
As for Jews and Christians protesting movies, well...they can go fuck themselves too. But it's a little different when some wacko fringe religions protest a movie then when a nation does.
Psycho4Bud
03-23-2007, 11:16 PM
I'm not out banging the war gong like Bong or P4B but I know bad news when I see it. I mean, if it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck; chances are it is a duck. George Bush wanted to finish what Daddy started but Ahmadinejad wants to finish what Hitler started. That type of guy doesn't deserve any kind of empathy or compassion.
We bang the gong to wake people up a bit. Now that you've seen the words of the Prophets...examined the situation with an open mind.....you too have come to see the light!:D
As for Jews and Christians protesting movies, well...they can go fuck themselves too. But it's a little different when some wacko fringe religions protest a movie then when a nation does.
Thank you sir!!! I was thinking the same exact thing; The 700 Club cannot be compared to a nation.
Have a good one!:s4:
hehehe.....had to throw in some pics:thumbsup:
Psycho4Bud
03-23-2007, 11:38 PM
He told of death as a bone white haze
Taking the lost and the unloved babe
Late too late all the wretches run
These kings of beasts now counting their days.
From mother's love is the son estranged
Married his own his precious gain
The earth will shake in two will break
And death all around will be your dow'ry
Oh Oh people of the earth
Listen to the warning the seer he said
For those who hear and mark my words
Listen to the good plan.
Enjoy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM9jA-sGfZI&mode=related&search=)
Have a good one!:s4:
Psycho4Bud
03-24-2007, 12:13 AM
Well my left wing friends.......it's 64 deg. so I must ride the steel horse. You all have a good one and remember the words of the Prophets. :D
Have a good one!:s4:
MrGreenFingaz
03-24-2007, 04:19 AM
That movie was the shit! The decimation of the persians was Glorious! Blasphemy? This is fuckin sparta!!!
andruejaysin
03-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Well my left wing friends.......it's 64 deg. so I must ride the steel horse. You all have a good one and remember the words of the Prophets. :D
Have a good one!:s4:71 here, but a damn fine idea.:D
psykoactive420
03-24-2007, 10:34 PM
the mullet heads will use our courts, our laws our system of hospitals, schools, social services all against us then when another attack happens they will laff. all they recognize is brute force I say give it to them in the tone of megatons.
madeline
03-25-2007, 07:30 PM
The very same story was made into a movie in the 50's and no one seemed to mind it then that the Greeks ended up kicking the Persian's ass' after they landed on Greece soil and battled the Spartans for several days, not once but several times even before Alexander the Great came along and finished off their empire for good!
mrdevious
03-27-2007, 02:41 AM
P4B, why don't you just put that eagle-flag image in your signature if you're going to use it every time anyway? Just wondering.
Psycho4Bud
03-27-2007, 03:09 AM
P4B, why don't you just put that eagle-flag image in your signature if you're going to use it every time anyway? Just wondering.
LOL...I only use that for politics.....besides that I go with the .....
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
sleepless
03-28-2007, 12:20 AM
What propaganda? If anyone is guilty of creating anti-Iran sentiment here in the U.S., at least in terms of this movie, it's the Iranians. Shit, I'd be willing to bet that 3/4 of American's don't even know Persians are from Iran. Most people would just go to the movie and not think twice about who the Persians were or where they came from. Now, however, people are simply pissed that the Iranians would have the balls to start trying to tell us what movies can and can't be made.
good people.
i suggest you find a copy of this book [media control, the spectacular achievements by noam chomsky] and read it. it will enlighten you as to the invisible propaganda that our governments use to control the pouulace. i would have posted this sooner but my anti warmongering views got me banned. the book is banned in the usa [i wonder why?] so you may have trouble finding it. open your eyes.
Psycho4Bud
03-28-2007, 01:02 AM
i would have posted this sooner but my anti warmongering views got me banned.
That ISN'T what got ya banned. You still want to keep playin' the fool?
I don't give a rats ass what forum you post in use of the "C" word isn't flyin' in here at all. This has been discussed in extent and for you to portray your ban as being censored is a crock of shit. You'd make a GREAT politician!
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Psycho4Bud
03-28-2007, 01:13 AM
Guess who pushed it into the lounge......
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
higher4hockey
03-28-2007, 01:51 AM
piss on him P4B
and piss on iran as well. i wonder what they'll think of the movie "IRAN: watch it become a parking lot care of the US military might"
Fengzi
03-28-2007, 08:24 PM
good people.
i suggest you find a copy of this book [media control, the spectacular achievements by noam chomsky] and read it. it will enlighten you as to the invisible propaganda that our governments use to control the pouulace. i would have posted this sooner but my anti warmongering views got me banned. the book is banned in the usa [i wonder why?] so you may have trouble finding it. open your eyes.
While I have no doubt that pretty much anything the media says is bullshit, I have always found it to more at the hands of big business that the government. Then again, big business and government play the "you scratch my back..." game so who knows. I still stick to my point that most people seeing this movie will not make any connection between "Persians and Iranians" . Therefore, and ironically, any anti-Iran propaganda is more the result of Iran bitching about the movie than the movie itself.
Oh yeah, Chomsky's Media Control book isn't banned in the US. LOL.
Prunedale
03-31-2007, 05:51 AM
This really surprises you?? Shit, we train our enemies. It's the same all over, it's all about the $$$.
We also finance.. Then when they decide to do their own thing... We extract em.... And leave their country in ruin. Last few conflicts anyway.
Prunedale
03-31-2007, 06:05 AM
Truer words were never spoken, Del-Norm. That poor society has regressed easily by three centuries in its theocratic state since 1979. And all it knows of the world and of other cultures are the carefully religiously controlled messages of its own Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Khamenei, and the propoganda of its assembly and president Ahmadinejad.
Our president and his war are responsible for a whole lot more of the trouble in that part of the world than many want to admit, but Iran's fundamentalist Shi'a craziness is largely responsible for the response we're now seeing, from Iran's nuclear ambitions to the insurgency in Iraq.
If someone made a movie with clothespins representing a traditionally Middle Eastern civilization and matchsticks representing a traditionall Western one, the Iranians and others like them would see it as anti-Islamic. In their way of thinking, there's only one true path--fundamentalist Islam--and they believe the whole Western world is against them. We've helped give them that impression, of course. And the scariest thing of all is that our own president obviously has the same one-true-path way of thinking, too, at least about the war itself and inflicting democracy on theocracy, which isn't ever going to happen. Neither side right now has any sense, to be honest. And crazy as their reaction to a silly movie is, our aggression over there is just as nuts.
HERE HERE.
I was never against what we stood for as a nation until baby bush decided to get up on his pony and go after Osama Been Hussein. And puff out his chest and spit lines to the american people "acting" the presidency. What a joke president. He just so fake in his statements... Its not because he's repub, its not because he's white, its not because he's a bush...... Its his actions and his words.. His body language, his lies, his truths, and that fuckin head...... Whatever you do... Don't look at that fuckin head... Thats what happens when cousins fuck.
To reinsert the topic to this post and make it thread worthy... The movie is most likely another way for them to kick more dust....
So here it is plain and simple.... IRAN wanna go war??? Fine... Sign me up and lets kill some motherfuckers.. Maybe then we can move on... Tired of hearing about nuc shit in Iran.. Meanwhile we just leave Korea to blow whatever they want... SOMEONE FUCKING PUSH THE BUTTON ALREADY jeese. And p.s Bush can Blow me.. Twice.. In front of daddy...
Please don't take this as me doing the whole Bush speech... "Bring it on" What a fucking idiot. How cocky is that?? I'm not for war AT ALL. Actually if there was a draft.. I'd try to leave... But Mexico would close its borders laughing at us.. And the US would close the Canadian border lol Laughing at us.. So.. if it comes down to being forced.. Hell gimme some liquid adrenaline and I'll see you all in heaven... I'm not the cocky conservative american who thinks he's gonna take everyone out. Real killers get killed too fool. 3,246 of them.. May the lord bless them and take care of their families.
Dutch Pimp
03-31-2007, 08:16 AM
...it came to George in a dream one night after 9/11/01....Ronald Reagan told him in the dream..."if it worked in Panama..it should work in Iraq"......:thumbsup:
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