Low odor strain help!

[orangeman]

Ok instead of trying to get a odor solution like carbon filter or w/e I have decided to just order some seeds from a strain that doesn't smell at all and if it does have to smell I don't want it to smell anything like marijuana but it still has to be highly potent (I want very potent weed lol I love it). That means no skunky shit lol. Some one please please help and reply as quick as you can. I am trying to order some seeds and I'm getting them from https://www.seedboutique.com since that is the only site that I have heard a lot of good things from. So help me out so I can hurry up and get started!! Plus I'm probably gonna be getting that light I wanted too (250 hps) :D.

[orangeman]

I'm just wondering would these maybe not smell like weed?

https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=186
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=161
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=175
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=199
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=18&products_id=231
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=7&products_id=39

Btw guys I'm asking very very nicely as nice as I can lol. Please don't tell me something if you're not for sure I really need to make the correct decision this time, I really don't want to walk in the door one day and the whole place smells like straight ganja.

[Matt the Funk]

Dunno if they have C99 seeds on seedbotique, but look around.C99 is suposse to be low in odor and a really good strain. And I know I'm not really sure but I am just trying to help.

[orangeman]

They don't have C99 :( I looked. They just have a bunch of strains with the name WLY-C99 crossed with other strains. All of them are from a company called "WallyDuck" lol. I don't really want any of those strains. I'm really anxious to just order some Blueberry seeds though. I always wanted to try some of that bud and what better way to try it other than growing it your self lol.

[Matt the Funk]

Damn. Hempdepot has some Joey Weed C99 seeds,but they are out of stock! I'm still looking around for seed so if I see anything that might help you i'll give a link.[B]EDIT:[B]You might wanna check out the C99xNL they have their. Since you brought up an NL cross anyways.

[orangeman]

I don't really wanna order from HempDepot. I'm trying to keep it simple. And I don't like their method of ordering lol.

[xcrispi]

Hey Orangeman ,
If you are doubting any of the answers you get on this thread use this guide to almost all current breeders / strains . Theres multiple reports on all kindsa strains . Click the link -n- all the way at the bottom of the page man .



Main Index Of The Famous OG Marijuana Cannabis Strains Guide, (http://www.onlinepot.org/ogstrainguide/strainguide/ogseedstrainsindex.html)

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[orangeman]

Wow! Thanks a lot this is really helpful. People are saying that Blueberry from DJ Short really doesn't smell like ganja....hmm hopefully I can grow it right I really wanna get 'em.

[orangeman]

I think I'm gonna order the Blueberry Seeds from Dutch Passion.

[orangeman]

Ugh nvm I'm just gonna get the NLxC99 seeds from HempDepot. Can some one take me through how to order this stuff. I've never done it before.

Order Form (http://hempdepot.ca/ordering/orderform.htm)

:(

[Matt the Funk]

That should cover what yours should look like, of course with real info on the shipping info. Just mail it and you are good to go, and you will recieve your order whenever. I think I might order my seeds today or tomorrow,after seeing crispi's link I have decided on C99xNL too.

[freewheelinfrank]

Orangeman - just follow the directions on HD's website - Brad will take good care of you - hell, I just wrote on a piece of paper "send me ten Joey Weed NL99 seeds, mail them to the following address" ... no big deal, it's amazing how well Canadians can read simple English :D - go to any post office, and buy an ***INTERNATIONAL*** Money Order for the correct amount - (I always flip the extra $5 for Fast shipping) - the Post Office will ask you no questions, etc, don't be paranoid - I just leave my money orders blank, and that way, Brad can endorse it any way he wants - don't get too fancy about where you send your seeds to, that just makes things confusing - just because you receive something in the mail, doesn't make you responsible for it (otherwise I'd mail heroin to my ex-wife, and drop a dime :D ) - Hemp Depot's Joey Weed C99, Apollo 11, and NL99 have virtually no smell at all - I've grown out a lot of NL99, I love it :jointsmile:

[kancha]

I gotta have both taste and smell to it. Thats the way its meant to be grown, smelling like cunt (bud).

orangeman, why did you want to go odorless on your grow? Was it stealth issue, low budget or you just feel like growing something odorless for the hell of it?

[orangeman]

I gotta have both taste and smell to it. Thats the way its meant to be grown, smelling like cunt (bud).

orangeman, why did you want to go odorless on your grow? Was it stealth issue, low budget or you just feel like growing something odorless for the hell of it?

In no kind of way do I want to grow an odorless plant. I would love to have the house reeking of some very fine skunk strains but we have visitors and people that comes over to fix our house a lot. And I don't have anywhere to vent the filtered air if I had a carbon filter and I am not sure if the C.A.P. OZN-1 Ozone Generator (http://www.discounthydro.com/odorcontrol.asp) will be enough to filter possibly 4 stinking flowering females. So I just decided to go ahead and try to grow some bud without odor. I was going to try and grow Blueberry but it's said it smells like skunk. I wanted to order Bubblegum too since I heard it smells but it doesn't smell like marijuana but the prices are too high for them lol. And freewheelinfrank thanks for your advice. I'm going to order the seeds when ever I can. I'll possibly be ready next month...I still have to get a fan some nutes and some other things lol. Does anyone know where I could get some good nutes that I could order really quick?

[orangeman]

Btw I know you all might have been waiting to see my room so this is how it looks. I tried to get other shots but the place is too big for me to take shots on the inside showing the whole place. I'm just gonna wait until I get some actual plants in there and set it all up and stuff.

[GodBud]

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Peace

[orangeman]

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I can use that stuff with soil? I'm just asking because most of the time when I see this stuff it's used with hydro so...

[orangeman]

I'm thinkin about ordering 1 L of the first 3. The Grow, Micro and Bloom one. Does it seem like the right thing to get?

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[orangeman]

Btw I was planning on having the seeds delivered to my house. I hope they show up and everything turns out fine :).

[orangeman]

Ok nvm. I finally realize that this weed is going to smell like weed regardless. I mean even if it smells like something else it'll probably be alarming. I think I'm just gonna get some odor control..since I am going to buy that generator I'll just use some bag seeds. I'm going through so much to get this done I have a headache :(. I need a bowl :stoned:.

[Matt the Funk]

So what have you decided on? lights, strain, etc...

[orangeman]

I'm probably gonna be getting this 250w HPS EconoMini System

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Just use some bag seeds and get this C.A.P. OZN-1 Ozone Generator

Discount Hydroponics - Odor Control (http://www.discounthydro.com/odorcontrol.asp)

I want to get these nutrients but I'm wondering if it's good for soil?

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After that I only need to get a fan and a few other things and I'll be ready to grow :).

[kancha]

Hey orangeman, I was on another thread (http://boards.cannabis.com/strains-seeds/107137-sharkbreath.html) and came across a low odor strain called sharkbreath and it is from DNA Genetics (http://www.dnagenetics-amsterdam.com/dnablog/the-seeds/testpage/). It doesn't mention low odor on its website but it does mention it on Dr. Chronic's seed (http://www.drchronics-seeds.co.uk/). Kind of pricey though.

[trynagethigh]

orangeman you gonna do hydro? or soil?

[orangeman]

Soil I don't really see a point in hydro.

[ate]

Why don't you get a 400w ?

[orangeman]

Because more than likely it'll be too hot for that closet I'm using and I already don't have the right ventilation so I'm just gonna get the 250w. Hopefully I don't get disappointing results. I always read reviews and people always are "unsatisfied" with their yield and they get like 6 oz. The only time 6 oz should not satisfy you is if you're a dealer and smoker because 6 lb is more than enough for me. Everything I yield I plan on smoking it down all down lol.

[tomasinho]

I used to grow with only a 250 and it will give you a grip of good trees if you flower them early so they stay short. A 250 will give you poor penetration if you grow lanky sativas though. The biggest problem you are gonna have believe it or not is the temps in the closet. A used my 250 in a closet with a squirrel cage fan for exhaust and I still melted my trichs right off. I dont know where you live but by me if I dont have AC during the spring and summer my trichs dont survive. Make sure you get it cold up in that mf! Peace.

[orangeman]

I used to grow with only a 250 and it will give you a grip of good trees if you flower them early so they stay short. A 250 will give you poor penetration if you grow lanky sativas though. The biggest problem you are gonna have believe it or not is the temps in the closet. A used my 250 in a closet with a squirrel cage fan for exhaust and I still melted my trichs right off. I dont know where you live but by me if I dont have AC during the spring and summer my trichs dont survive. Make sure you get it cold up in that mf! Peace.

Oh wow...I'm gonna try and get a fan and keep the door open then to try and keep it cool in there haha. Thanks for the advice. Hopefully the plants don't get too tall haha. I was gonna LST them but I think they'll have more space to grow vertically. If I LST them I don't think all the plants will have enough room.

[tomasinho]

If you dont have side room may I suggest the "bud on stick" style. That way you can pop more beans and have a better selection for mothers using little side room. So - what strain are you going with?

[exhashsmoker]

Instead of forking out loads for an ozone generator why dont you grow a strain of lowryder? You can get very potent strains at soul seeds! The plants are really stealth and there is virtually no oder!

[orangeman]

If you dont have side room may I suggest the "bud on stick" style. That way you can pop more beans and have a better selection for mothers using little side room. So - what strain are you going with?

Well exhashsmoker I did consider that but the thing is 10 beans of Low Ryder costs like $50. Not only do I not have a safe place to have the seeds sent to but I don't want to spend 50 bucks on a strain that's probably not gonna yield as half as much as my bag seeds would since I'm pretty sure they aren't Low Ryder. As of right now I'm using a bag seed because it's my first time actually aiming for a harvest. I've had plants before so the start should be no prob but I don't want seeds that I paid for to die because I made a beginners mistake. I have been preparing for this every since I began smoking but reading and experience is two different things so I'm gonna just try something free until I get the real feeling for it..

I have ordered my light and some nutes and a timer for the light. I couldn't get a suggestion for nutes or lights so I just went ahead and went with my own opinion I got these nutes (http://www.discounthydro.com/Images/FloraNova.jpg) and I got a 250w HPS EconoMini System with the 270 watt SonAgro Bulb for extra lumens. Hopefully the enclosed ballast wont be too much of a heat issue lol. I still have a lot more stuff to get but instead of ordering it all at once I just ordered what I need to start off. When it arrives I'll probably set it up and see how hot the light gets. If heat is gonna be too much of an issue though I'm probably gonna wait until summer gets here so the a/c can be on more often and I'll probably have some fans by that time. If heat doesn't be too much of an issue I'll probably start the grow as soon as I get the light.

[madeline]

By 'enclosed ballast' are you talking about the lights with the ballast attached on top? If so I had one (my first light) and it was too hot for the closet. I had to set it up in a shed. Also, they are very heavy and extra caution needs to be in there when hanging it. We all have read about growers having their light hanger break and fall onto their plants, eh? I'm just afraid you are going to have heat problems having your ballast inside the closet. I believe you will need to go with a remote ballast as the heat from the bulb will cause you enough heat probs and the added ballast can only add to it...or put your grow in a place that has better ventilation.

[orangeman]

Fuck. Maybe I'll get two fans. I can't hold this off and I have to do it. And I have no where else to do it. Those fans are gonna have to work :p.

[guerillagrowerz]

Have some type of ventilation with intake and outtake of air. The plants need that. As for odor, they sell those little odor neutralizers in hardware stores and shit. I would put some of those throughout the house during budding or whenever it starts to smell up bad. I hope that helps you. Good Luck. I'm gonna be growin outdoors so wish me luck too.

[orangeman]

Have some type of ventilation with intake and outtake of air. The plants need that. As for odor, they sell those little odor neutralizers in hardware stores and shit. I would put some of those throughout the house during budding or whenever it starts to smell up bad. I hope that helps you. Good Luck. I'm gonna be growin outdoors so wish me luck too.

I don't mean to sound pissy but like I said one million and one times already I can't provide any type of ventilation. The only thing that can work is either fresh air from an open door including the fan. I'm pretty sure it's true that I won't necessarily need all that for 3 plants..as for the odor I'm still working on that. Still no solution. I'm tired of fuckin lookin and it's really startin to piss me off. I wish a fuckin solution would just fall right in front of me or something fuck! :mad:!!!

[orangeman]

I'm probably gonna get two of these fans. Hopefully it helps I really really hopes it helps the heat. Fans are the only thing I can use for right now dammit!

Air King 9" 2-Speed Oscillating Fan (http://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?pid=142&catid=5)

[O. G. ganja smoker]

yea orangeman it would be alot easyer on u with the temps in there with a ballast outside the room because they do put out heat i hope u grow sum bomb good luck

[orangeman]

Well that can't happen :p. Like I said I'm gonna have two fans and I'm thinking about having one on a stand so I can always level the fan on the center of the plants and I'll probably mount the other fan upside down (lol) blowing directly on the ballast. A million people can tell me it's not gonna work but the fact is this. I want my damn homegrown and I'm damn willing to see if the fans will help before just throwing the idea off from a "possibility". I just have a good feeling about this, I know it'll work :).

[exhashsmoker]

I hope it works for you dude! I am in almost the same situation and I am going to grow with a few monster 125w CFLs just for that same reason (the heat issue in a closet) I have read many threads about cfls and I have found with correct positioning and a litlle tlc you can turn a cfl closet into an excellent grow room with no worries about heat!And you can keep the door closed...your gonna lose loads of light by leaving it open

[madeline]

All a fan does is blow around the air, no matter what temp it is. If the air is hot the fan will blow around hot air. Everyone uses remote ballasts in enclosed areas just for that reason! Most of the heat involved comes from the ballast so it only makes sense you'll want to put it outside of the closet. Or go with a large bank of flouro's. You'll still have some heat to deal with but nothing like a 250w in a closet with no ventilation beyond a fan. The flouro growers I've seen use 4-500w in each section and end up with very similar flowers as done with smaller hid's but don't have near the heat issues, but still they are there and must be vented! She cut a nice and neat hole high up in the wall near the ceiling but where a finished duct grill can be easily installed to cover the hole. She then installed Dayton a 130 fan and exhausts most of the heat into the wall and attic.

[bongerstonerd00d]

Orange..........you need airflow d00d..........

I'll say this about all that. You got shitty ventilation, you get shitty results. Good ventilation is one of the most overlooked items, and probably one of the most important. PLants NEED fresh air, its a must. Same as us humans do.

If I were setting up a new grow area tomorrow I'd be buying fans, ducting, carbon scrubber, muffler, etc all before I even considered what to grow. And, I would have it installed and tweaked to operate as efficently as possible while providing fresh air, cooling my lights, and exhausting spent air. THEN, and only then would I worry about seeds, nutes, yada yada........

Remember, you create the optimum conditions, you get the optimum results. And it all starts with airflow.

Call me crazy, tell me to go fuck myself, or whatver you want. I give a friend of mine clones and we grow at exact same time. We feed his same nutes as mine, aero setup as mine, HPS light.......and he has extremely shitty airflow and there is really nothing we can do for a workaround (rental apt he lives in). I double his harvest every crop easily. Blowing air around from in the house dont get it. Its got farts and germs and all kinds of shit in it. You need the fresh stuff from outside.

I never did understand why people rarely ever post questions here about "How To's" of proper ventilation.

Orange, if you dont see any point in hydro, try it out sometime.

Hope ya find a workable solution and get the results you are trying to achieve.


b0nger

[exhashsmoker]

Orange..........you need airflow d00d..........

I'll say this about all that. You got shitty ventilation, you get shitty results. Good ventilation is one of the most overlooked items, and probably one of the most important. PLants NEED fresh air, its a must. Same as us humans do.

If I were setting up a new grow area tomorrow I'd be buying fans, ducting, carbon scrubber, muffler, etc all before I even considered what to grow. And, I would have it installed and tweaked to operate as efficently as possible while providing fresh air, cooling my lights, and exhausting spent air. THEN, and only then would I worry about seeds, nutes, yada yada........

Remember, you create the optimum conditions, you get the optimum results. And it all starts with airflow.

I don't think anyone is gonna disagree with you dude but its just not possible for most indoor closet growers to get fresh air into the closet,its not practicle especially when your only trying to grow enough for yourself. Any big scale grows it is an absolte necessity!

Call me crazy, tell me to go fuck myself, or whatver you want. I give a friend of mine clones and we grow at exact same time. We feed his same nutes as mine, aero setup as mine, HPS light.......and he has extremely shitty airflow and there is really nothing we can do for a workaround (rental apt he lives in). I double his harvest every crop easily. Blowing air around from in the house dont get it. Its got farts and germs and all kinds of shit in it. You need the fresh stuff from outside.

I never did understand why people rarely ever post questions here about "How To's" of proper ventilation.

Orange, if you dont see any point in hydro, try it out sometime.

Hope ya find a workable solution and get the results you are trying to achieve.


b0nger

I don't think anyone is gonna disagree with you dude but its just not possible for most indoor closet growers to get fresh air into the closet,its not practicle especially when your only trying to grow enough for yourself. Any big scale grows it is an absolute necessity!

[madeline]

Sure it is! It's nothing to cut a small, 3" diameter hole in the wall and when done simply cover it with a painted wall vent grill when done with the grow. No one will notice it when you move out as it will look like it was put there on purpose and it'll be neatly covered and finished after you screw it into the wall! Or you could even get more involved and plaster the hole when finished but the vent grill/cover will save you needless work for about 10 bucks!

[exhashsmoker]

A vent on the inside of a closet is gonna look a bit suspect! And where would you find a vent for a 3" hole that you cut in a closet? Even plastering looks odd inside a closet..

And if your talking about venting from outside through a brick wall into a closet thats even more dodgy! How are you supposed to get away with drilling through a brick wall in an apartment block? Certainly not practical for me and im sure its not for many others too!

[bongerstonerd00d]

LOL......Hash I own rentals, and my lease specifically states you do NOT make any modifications to the interior or the exterior without prior written approval. And, I promise you that I would notice any new "vent holes" someone decided they wanted to install with their pretty new grate.

Shit, I've had rentals for the last 22 years. I have a hard time finding a tenant who can operate a fucking lawnmower let alone cut holes in drywall and then patch, prime, finish and paint when they are ready to move out.

Not to mention you cut into a water line, sewer line, or worse yet an electric line and it kills your ass trying to be stealthy. My advice to anyone in an apartment is you DO NOT cut holes in any walls.

Apartment/closet growing is tuff. Thats the bottom line.

b0nger:D

[orangeman]

Well I hear and understand ya bongerstonerd00d and ventilation is one of the first things I considered but I just can't do it. Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :). Either way it goes this shit is gonna happen and I'm gonna get something because I need my buds!

edit: btw hydro is just extra money to me and waste of time. I honestly believe soil is way better. Don't feel like going into details but like I have stated before, I didn't start planning this shit this year. I have been planning this for a few years. I have everything under control. I might not have everything I want or need but I know exactly what I want to do.

[Matt the Funk]

Well I hear and understand ya bongerstonerd00d and ventilation is one of the first things I considered but I just can't do it. Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :). Either way it goes this shit is gonna happen and I'm gonna get something because I need my buds!

edit: btw hydro is just extra money to me and waste of time. I honestly believe soil is way better. Don't feel like going into details but like I have stated before, I didn't start planning this shit this year. I have been planning this for a few years. I have everything under control. I might not have everything I want or need but I know exactly what I want to do.

Orangeman is smart. I think he can figure things out. Plus a lot of people like him and will be glad to help him. Plus he loves the plant. And....he wants experience...yeah....pointless post.

[orangeman]

Lol Matt. My stuff didn't come today so I'm for sure it'll be here tomorrow. I ordered it late so it probably got sent out Tuesday morning. BTW does anyone know how strict card companies are with their private policy? I have ordered a lot of shit under the same card and if anything raised a red flag all they'd have to do is pull up that one card and see all the shit I ever ordered lol. I sorta feel more paranoid than ever.

[Nocturnal Stoner]

just don't get busted man that would suck

[orangeman]

just don't get busted man that would suck

Well that didn't help me feel too much better lol.

[exhashsmoker]

Orangeman is smart. I think he can figure things out. Plus a lot of people like him and will be glad to help him. Plus he loves the plant. And....he wants experience...yeah....pointless post.

So would leaving the door open slightly and a window open be adequate ventilation?Or would you lose to much light?

[Matt the Funk]

So would leaving the door open slightly and a window open be adequate ventilation?Or would you lose to much light?


Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :).

Now to me it sounds like it won't be enough ventilation. you should get some type of fan(s). I'm not sure how much light you would lose. If you can't get the proper vents then you might as well try anyways, and if it works, great, if it don't now you got some exp.

[orangeman]

So would leaving the door open slightly and a window open be adequate ventilation?Or would you lose to much light?

What's funny is you act like I'm the first person to turn to open doors for ventilation. I know it works because I've heard of people doing it before to solve some heat issues. Like I said theres not even that much wattage going into this and I know damn well I'm not gonna be losing a lot of light just because a door is open. I'm just curious how many plants have you grown?

Anyways I have been thinking about getting a carbon filter and it doesn't matter what "ventilation" I need because if I do get it air is only going to be put out of the room. Other than an open door there is no way to supply fresh air, don't mention any other ways I have said a million times and I'm saying it again I have no way to do it. Now...I was wondering how far does the air have to travel through the ducting after it has went through the carbon filter before it becomes "odorless" ? Also the only way I can vent the air is through this little space in my wall. If I stuff the ducting back there (if that's even possible) do you guys think it'll work? I can't put the ducting too far back in there so that's why I'm wondering how long does the air have to travel before it's fresh..Here are pictures. I hope I can stuff it back there :-/

[orangeman]

Btw how long do you guys think a 4" filter will work. I'm getting the 4" PROfilter 45 w/4" Vortex Blower

Discount Hydroponics - Odor Control (http://www.discounthydro.com/odorcontrol.asp)

Some one please reply with experience of one of these things.

[bongerstonerd00d]

Once you draw the air thru the carbon filter its "clean". How long of duct you blow it through after the filter means nothing as far as odor. That space you are going to blow the clean air into goes where ? Remember, fans make noise. And if you are going to need to keep door open you are going to get odors anyways. If only a few plants I am going to say the filter will last around 6 or so grows. I have grown a C99 cross that was to be low-no odor, orange smell or something, and thats bullshit. You can smell it, I am convinced it doesnt matter what strain it is.

I have honestly been thinking about your grow and trying to come up with a idea for ventilation, and HEAR me thru on this. Is there ANYWAY you could cut this door you are talking about needing to keep open and installing a 12"x12" darkroom louver ? Then you could keep a window open, and when your fan kicks on you would be sucking air thru a light proof vent, so no worry about light leaks.............After the air comes in, all gets drawn thru the filter and exhausted into the "space" you are showing ???????? At least that way we are eliminating the reakage from gettin in the rest of the house cause door is open. I know its not ideal, but I am trying to brainstorm to help you out here..........

My point is you are buying all this equipment, so lets use it the way its intended to be used so you can get the best results.

Is the above idea an option or do I go back to the drawing board ?

b0nger

[orangeman]

If I bought the filter I wouldn't leave the door open. And how loud are the fans usually when they come on? And btw do you think the ducting could be stuffed in that little space in the pic I attached? Btw in case no one can visualize it this is a ROOM under the STAIRS that leads to the basement. It's a freggin closet. There is no available windows and anything leading out the room would be automatic suspicion. I can't do anything other than what I have suggested and I need to know if it will work.

[orangeman]

Oh and I forgot to add. That space that the duct leads to is basically going to the next room which is washer and dryer room. And no I can't really do much because it's a limited space and I can't do anything to the walls so it'll have to do going as far as it can. And I'm sorry. One thing that should be clear to understand is that it's not my choice, I do want to use everything I have the best way I can but I can't. I have to work with what I have.

P.S. I still need to know if the ducting will fit. If you seen the pictures you seen how small the space is. I was thinking maybe I could just force and stuff the ducting in that little space since it's aluminum. I thought it'd be flexible like that or w/e.

[bongerstonerd00d]

OK.....for me to say how loud is loud is like how deep is deep. I am not being a smart ass, and to look up how many decibles it is would also be about useless. All I am saying is you can hear Vortex fans. I use a 10 inch and 8 inch, and they make noise, but its not a concern for me.

Now, back to you. Is there anyway possible you could get some 1x1's and build a frame that you cover in plywood? If so I would go that route and line with foam. Mount the fan inside the box. You can buy foam at any store that sells fabric and sewing stuff. Then I would mount 4 eye bolts, one on each corner of the box. Get 4 of those black really heavy duty bungee cords. Not those real pretty fabric covered ones. You can get the bungees I am talking about at any auto parts store. I'd save 8 small pieces of that foam and wrap each S hook on the bungee cords and tape foam firmly in place. That way on both ends you will not have metal to metal contact (vibration) noise. Then you find the joices in the ceiling and mount 4 J hooks into those. Again, wrap those J hooks with foam and tape also. The idea is you want zero metal to metal contact. This way you can suspend the fan in the soundproof box (hopefully) with no metal to metal contact and keep it as quiet as possible. You deffinately want a speed control so you dont need to run it wide open. Of course you need to cut openings in both ends of your box for intake and exhaust.

I dont know how handy you are, or what kind of tools you have access to, but this may be like you building a Space Shuttle in your back yard, or it may be a 2 hour project.

As for the exhaust side remember this. The shorter you keep it, and the less kinks, twists, bends you have the better. You want as little resistance as you can get.

COme to think of it, I'd cover the outside and the inside of the frame work. But, before I did I would put a piece of foam in that airspace, then I would also put another piece of the foam on the inside as well.

If only you lived in my neck woods and I knew you I could put together what I am talking about for you and it would be perfect. I'd tinker with it for 2 days but what I would not come up with something to make that fan soundproof.

Hmmmm..... I just thought of something. You say on the other side of the wall from the closet is a washer and dryer???? Is there ANY way you could tap into the vent from the dryer ?? That would help you considerably if so.

You honestly need to tap into your creative side on this project. I know it may seem daunting, but its not that hard if you are half handy at all. I'd like to see some other suggestions and maybe between everyones ideas we could combine and come up with a final solution.

I am going to sleep on it and I will ponder some more and get back with you tomorrow.

b0nger

[orangeman]

No, no *sigh* I have a headache. I could almost cry right now, that stuff is not gonna work...I can't do anything with the vent of the washer and dryer because people will notice that. And it wont work because I can't even reach back there in the wall. I can only stuff all the ducting I can back there in the wall. I think I need to make a video of my grow room because I don't think you understand just how closed up that space is. All I can do is fit just a bit of ducting back there and the washer room is too far away for the ducting to reach to the other side.

[orangeman]

Do you think this might be a cheap and effective solution?

Aireox Home, Office, Auto & Travel Air Purifiers (http://www.abundantearth.com/store/aireox4522.html)

[orangeman]

btw dont mention price. I just want my bud and I will be willing to pay that price if it really works.

[bongerstonerd00d]

OK, I am up bright and early to think this over some more. SO we cant tap into dryer vent, and we cant build a box to put fan in. So..........

Listen O-Man, why do you want to "stuff" this ductwork anywhere? I really dont get what you are trying to achieve by doing this bro. I mean once you draw the air thru the carbon filter its clean (odorless). If you just use a piece of duct (insulated-to deaden noise) to get into that space you want to vent to, thats all you need. By stuffing/cramming/jamming/forcing in there you are going to crush/kink/squeeze, etc. You do not want that d00d. Remember, the path with less resistance is best.

Tell me this, on a scale of 1-10, you consider yourself how handy? 10 being you are completely proficent with basically any power tool made, to a 1 meaning you wonder which end of the hammer to drive a nail with. Dont laugh, I have witnessed people who could not use a screwdriver.

I'd love to see this space in person. I swear to you we could fab something to work. I dont care if we had to cut the drywall and install some furnace ducting down into basement and then hook exhaust from fan to it. Then repair drywall, finish, prime and paint and when done and nobody would ever know outside of it had fresh paint on it.

I have been a DIY guy all my life. I do all my own home repairs, can repair small engines, can do basic wiring, plumbing, etc. Thats why I said previously if only I lived closer I could pack up the truck with tools and come design you the growspace for the 21st Century, unless this is an apartment. Then you are faced with whatever is there. Cutting holes in walls, floors, ceilings is an absolute no-no. You have no idea where wires, plumbing, etc is without access to blueprints and that will get someones attention if you should ask to see those. Plus, you can make one helluva mess in about 30 seconds with a sawzall should you cut a 3/4 inch water line. Even worse you can electrocute yourself and be dead.

I understand your frustration. Its hell to want to be able to do something, and not know how. You also need to understand thats its harder than the hubs of hell for me to try to picture what you are dealing with and configure a solution as well.

One other thing, why does everything need to be so stealth? Are you hiding from the 'rents, roomates, landlord, who ?

Anyone else EVER dealt with what O-Man is dealing with ? If so, give the man some suggestions..........damn Were trying for him, dont be shy.

Its rainy and shitty here today, I will mull over again and see what I can come up with, if anything, based on your situation. I mean, if we cant cut holes, you dont consider yourself very handy, then our options are really fading fast. And dont feel bad, probably 98% of my friends I would not be in the same room with if they had a power tool in their hands.

The ole lady thought I was nuts last night when I was in a closet upstairs looking around asking myself "what if I had to turn this into a grow area". To quote her it went something like this, "Have you lost what little bit of mind you had left?"........LOL:D But, here I can cut holes, run ductwork if needed, put receptables in, easily access attic/basement etc. I own this joint so my options are wide open.



b0nger

[bongerstonerd00d]

As far as the air filter link you gave, I have zero experience with those. I've never owned one, or do I know anyone who does to ask how effective they are. ALl I know is carbon filters work, and work very well actually. Unfortunately that doesnt mean jack shit to you based on your situation.

I have seen some here post about ozone generator filters or whatever, but I rarely pay much attention to those posts because I think those things rank right up there with snake oil. Thats ONLY my opinion. They very well may do an excellent job. But, I will never find out.

I have also read here that those odor control CFL's work very well. Again, I have zero experience with them, so I cannot comment. You know, if they really work, that could be a perfect solution for you. Stick 2 or 3 of those in your grow area and zero odor ????????????? Why dont you do some research and try to find out about there effectiveness. They fit standard light sockets, this might be perfect for you, IF they work.

b0nger

[bongerstonerd00d]

Just copied this from another site:

I just picked up a couple of "100" watt cfls from 1000bulbs.com. US$ 5.60 each. These have a special coating which is supposed to help control odors and in my two days of testing I have to say it works. I use the cfls for veg in a small cabinet, with a fan. I've always had a slight weedy smell, and now it's virtually gone.



BUT>>>>>>>>>>>1000bulbs.com website will NOT work.....>sigh< Might be temporary, or they are out of business. They sold every damn light bulb known to mankind. I have visited that site before. I shall try it again later. Surely they aint the only place in America that sells them either.

b0nger

[orangeman]

Man I'm pissed off now, I think I'm gonna just order that thing and hope for the best. I need to get this on the road because I haven't smoked in a while and it's so boring and I want weed for the summer. The thing about it is right now it's impossible to do any construction I keep saying this it wont, wont, wont, wont, wont work. I can not cut holes in walls I can not add anything on the walls nothing. And if I buy a carbon filter and the ducting leads to no where but still in the room I don't see how that's getting rid of the smell...also the heat would still remain in the room. The reason why I wanted to stuff it in the back of the wall is because well that's my only option, it's not big enough to fit back there without any forcing. And I can't get it to go in the washer room, I'm sorry that space is way too small for anything like ducting to fit through and I'd have to order a lot of ducting because the grow room and the washer room is very far apart. I made a video of my room but I don't know how much help that'll be for you. It's not really that big of a space. All the fuck I want is a solution for the odor so I can start my grow.

I keep saying this room IS basically the stairs. The minute you come in the house you are stepping right on the room. It is the closet that is under the stairs. There is no windows, there is no way to alter anything to keep it stealthy. Thing about it is there are people that come in that check up on the house sometimes. NO don't say it's not a good idea to do then because they don't step over into that area. But if anything is leading out of that room that looks out of place I don't even want them thinking anything is going on. And there is just people in my family that comes over. The only person that is alright with this grow is the person that lives with me. I don't need to go into detail, if you were as paranoid as me you wouldn't go into detail either..just know that there is only one person that is ok with this grow and thats the person that owns this house. Everyone else doesn't know about it and I know they wont approve of it so I'm trying to keep it stealthy. And yes, it will work if I can find the right things this will work. Here is a small video of the room, it probably wont help much since I still don't feel like I captured enough (and yes I know it's ghetto but it's all I have). Also in place of those fuckin trash bags do you know of anything else I could use to stop light from leaking out? It was just a cheap quick idea I thought of because I thought it might work. Turns out it didn't work all that good. Please tell me when you have seen the video so I can delete it.

http://abok.net/blackjack/Pictures/100_2582.MOV

btw do you have MSN, AIM or something. It'd be way easier to communicate through that because it sounds like you are really the only one that wants this done as bad as me lol. And if UPS runs on Saturdays I should be getting my light, timer and nutes today :).

[bongerstonerd00d]

Will check video in a minute. Yes, I do know something other than trash bags. Get ya some panda plastic, white on one side (will face grow area), black on other side (side you will see when you open door). Cut it big enough to completely cover door and about 6-8 inches around frame. Once you have done that you can cut it down the middle and buy one of those zipper/velcro closures things from bghydro and you now have a pseudo d00r that is light proof. You could then stick a few staples in it to hold in place, or you could staple it to 1x2's and then screw them in the studs in the walls using drywall screws and then I promise you that would not have any light leaks. The side of the 1x2 you stapled it to would be the side against the wall. That way you have the staples, plus the pressure of the 1x2 pulled against the wall with screws to hold it in place. This way you wouldnt always be pulling the staples out and ripping the plastic, etc. That panda plastic is 6mil I think, its damn sturdy. You can even line your walls with it instead of mylar.

Here is a link to that closure:
Light Tight Tarp Zip-Up | Miscellaneous (http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/Itemdesc.asp?ic=MLTZU&eq=&Tp=)

Here is link to panda plastic:
Mylar/Reflective Coverings (http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/items.asp?Cc=MY&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=)

Scroll down the page for that second link to see the plastic.

On other sites I have seen entire veg/grow rooms built with panda plastic on a wood frame and using that zipper/velcro thinger I am talking about.

Another question. Is there electric in this room ? If so, does it have grounded receptables (3 prong) If you got an extension cord running into that room that would certainly get some attention. Ideally, and again not an option I know most likely, but is your outlets for your grow on seperate breakers. For example, if my lights would ever kick their breakers, the fans for the cool tubes are on their own breaker and timer so they keep running to cool the lights down after they go off. And REMEMBER, never load a breaker over 80% of its listed Amperage.......NEVER EVER EVER !!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, the carbon filter idea is worthless if blowing the air back in the same room. As far as you needing to buy ducting, I understand it comes in 25' lenghts only, but you can cut it. Thats certainly not a big deal. I'd have just enough to get into that space versus cramming 20 feet of it back in there.

I am close to raising the white flag on this ventilation/odor control issue. I mean there are basically no options I can possibly think of. Unless one of those filter things you had link to works, thats about it. Harder than hell to vent something when you have no place to vent to. Thats pretty simple to understand.

D00d, is the house AC'd at least ? (please say yes)

And no, I dont have any messenger things. Sometimes I am deep thought at the computer and dont want to be interrupted by someone asking me some mindless question about nothing that means nothing. Like where my wife is or something because I wont answer the fone to tell them. I got rid of for that very reason.

Fuck, Bob Villa dont work this hard figuring shit out.....LOL

I am leaving here shortly, but I will be back on topic later this afternoon upon my return. Wife wants to go someplace and get something for something and insisted I go. She told me what it was, but as usual I forgot to pay attention.

b0nger

[orangeman]

Well I was thinking about just ordering this one ducting that says it's flexible with no kinking. If I do stuff it back there in that little area then the carbon filter might actually work. I have envisioned me using a carbon filter every since I first started planning a grow so I think I'll just give it a shot and buy one and try to get the ducting to fit back there. this (http://www.discounthydro.com/Images/ducting.jpg) is the ducting. here's the description


Our expandable air duct is made of aluminum, designed for years of use. It will handle temperatures up to 140 degrees and will not kink. It comes in 25' sections which can be cut to length. Available in 4", 6", 8", 10" and 12" diameters.

I think I'm gonna order the 4". When you see the video you might have a better idea of to how the room looks. And yes there is electric outlet already in the room. Unfortunately they aren't 3 prong but I was thinking about buying some adapters. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't but I figure if I can buy a 2-prong adapter for a 3-prong plug for my computer and everything that's connected in this room then it'll work for the grow room also. And btw when the grow starts I might have a grow log or w/e and that'll be my way of communication because once this grow starts off I'm gonna unplug the computer and stay off of it a lot more than I used to because I don't want to use too much electricity in this house.

[exhashsmoker]

What's funny is you act like I'm the first person to turn to open doors for ventilation. I know it works because I've heard of people doing it before to solve some heat issues. Like I said theres not even that much wattage going into this and I know damn well I'm not gonna be losing a lot of light just because a door is open. I'm just curious how many plants have you grown?

Anyways I have been thinking about getting a carbon filter and it doesn't matter what "ventilation" I need because if I do get it air is only going to be put out of the room. Other than an open door there is no way to supply fresh air, don't mention any other ways I have said a million times and I'm saying it again I have no way to do it. Now...I was wondering how far does the air have to travel through the ducting after it has went through the carbon filter before it becomes "odorless" ? Also the only way I can vent the air is through this little space in my wall. If I stuff the ducting back there (if that's even possible) do you guys think it'll work? I can't put the ducting too far back in there so that's why I'm wondering how long does the air have to travel before it's fresh..Here are pictures. I hope I can stuff it back there :-/

I hope this strongly worded post is not aimed at me I am in the exact same position as you as I have explained in my posts. And what you quoted me saying was a genuine question not an attack on your growing methods! Chill out dude!

[orangeman]

Look I'm sorry alright but if you were in the same situation as me then you'd know how stressful it was. I didn't mean to say it like that but I was fed up with not being able to come up with a solution. Hopefully I have figured out everything but on that day I just about had it with this whole grow thing and if my lights and shit wasn't already ordered I would have considered just forgetting about it.

[orangeman]

Btw judging from the vid (if you've seen it) do you think 172 CFM will be enough to filter my space?

[bongerstonerd00d]

I've thought, thought, and thoght some more. And I am completely out of options/suggestions. I mean when we cant cut, move, modify anything, what can one do ?

As I said before, the only efficent way to move air is you have an intake larger than your exhaust. Thats it, period, no ways around it, I understand thats not an option for you. So depending on how good that door seals is going to determine how much of a suction you create. Which is less than ideal. But, sometimes you got to make lemonade if handed lemons, so go for it.

At minimum I'd put a speed control on that fan so I could at least idle it back to keep from sucking all the lint, dust, and dirt into your grow area. And I dont care how clean your house is, you have dust, dirt, and lint in the air.

I'd also use the panda plastic with the zipper closure I provided you links to. Light leaks will really piss you off when your plants turn hermie. And light leaks is one of the best ways for them to do that. When its dark for 12 hours, it needs to be pitch dark for 12 hours.

If you are going the carbon filter route I'd probably just attach the Vortex to it, let it suck the smelly air in and blow the clean air right back in the room. Thats all that filter contraption thing is going to do you gave me a link for. It doesnt have any kind of an exhaust. I dont know what you would gain by blowing clean air filtered by the carbon scrubber into that space in the wall. And, whithout exhausting that air out of the room you would lessen the suction effect I would think, which is good.

I'd also get at least one, most likely two wall mount oscillating fans (14-16") amd mount to the side walls to save floor space. I'd want to try to keep air moving around in there as much as possible.

And I sure hope your house is AC'd, because with summer not far away, you will need it. If not you are going to have a mutnherfucker of a heat issue on your hands when it gets 90 degrees outside. For one that H.I.D. light makes heat, and the other is you are not at liberty to have ballast outside grow area, so there is more heat.

I wish you success, and I shall now bow out gracefully and let you proceed. Or maybe someone else here is growing the same as you and has some ideas. I guess I am spoiled because I had the good fortune of being able to use a spare room, and do whatever I needed to set my room up properly. This may also cause me to overlook the obvious for someone in your predictament. Maybe I wasnt the right person to be offering ideas to begin with.

Best of luck with your grow.
b0nger:thumbsup:

[BlazinTreesX3]

I dont like being here in these grow forums but for you and the way you sound just like me "I just want some damn bud or ill ...i got something in my eye..."

All i can do though is tell you about mine and yes its identical to what your saying but WORSE. As in what they everyone else says aaplied to me twice as much as it does to you.

So i had the double sliding door closet you know but i hd only 2 plants so used about as much room as you but the extra room im sure helped with dispersing heat and such.

I had this:

my closet...2 seeds bag...one...count it 1 t5 fluro 4 ftbulb. and i said i need to just try.

So they went great i threw em in there as seedlings in little jiffy pots and threw that light on and the whole time light switching was manual as in i wake up at 6 and go to sleep at 11 with my lights..

They suffered cold nights and i had to open my room door close the closet door and turn up the house heater to in turn heat my room close my door then open the closet to heat it.

your ventilation will depend on how much u can take out of the top of ur closetand how fresh the air is in your room...your window has to be open often.

My things went through most of life alright and as crazy as it sounds ijumped out my window with the two babies almost every weekday to babysit them in the sunbathing and jump back in my window anytime the neighbors (who knew i was doing it by the end no prob tho) came by.

One day a friend let me borrow his 400 wt and it was amazing they took off.. But he took it back 2 weeks in flowering.

the damn things went hermy after 5 weeks and i ended up getting one plants eighth and it was decent and the other was a total waste.

Sad
Problems:
Light problems were basically only the take away of the 400 so untimely and a few nights light stayed on too long and i had to make up for it in the morning.

Vent problems were i had no fan at all and window let in lots of cold so it was hard. I know you can do it if u let enough fresh air in the room and "move" it all aroud nicely which u can with a fan or two.

Basically all i wrote was mumbo jumbo but if u only read one line here it is:

Keep the fresh air flowing in...keep that damn light in check and Bugs will kill you.

Dont feel bad at all right now you should be happy youre starting it finally and try your best to attack problems until theyre solved and do it as they come at you which they will. and wear sunglasses i messe up my eyes in there for hours on end staring at every leaf and every new bud going...they were 4 or 5 headed little monsters a great site to look at. smeeled like rotten fruit and pineapple.

thats all i can do just had to say it as i read the whole thing and what most said didnt relate to a really ghetto grow.

[orangeman]

If you are going the carbon filter route I'd probably just attach the Vortex to it, let it suck the smelly air in and blow the clean air right back in the room. Thats all that filter contraption thing is going to do you gave me a link for. It doesnt have any kind of an exhaust. I dont know what you would gain by blowing clean air filtered by the carbon scrubber into that space in the wall. And, whithout exhausting that air out of the room you would lessen the suction effect I would think, which is good.


So you are suggesting that I buy the carbon filter I wanted, set it up and just have the exhaust fan on so it sucks air through the filter and just have the ducting still in the room? So even if the ducting connected to the fan and the filter is still blowing in the room and no where else it'll still clean the air? I do plan on getting a carbon filter with a vortex fan since they claim it is good for noise or w/e. Hopefully this works because even if some one says this wont work I still just have to find out if it does. So I'm gonna get the filter regardless because I need my bud during the summer and I can't have the house smelling.

[xcrispi]

Hey Orangeman I.M. me I'll put contact info up for a few .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[orangeman]

Thx Crispi :D I'll add right now. Btw I fixed my light leaks issues and one seed split today. I planted it and it's under 230 watts of light right now for about 3 hours and to my surprise there hasn't been any heat issues :eek:. It hasn't sprouted but I thought I'd just give it light so when it finally does sprout, if I'm not here it'll already have light.

[bongerstonerd00d]

No, I am not suggesting anything. I cannot assure you what/if that carbon scrubber would do in the room when blowing the fresh air back in same space. I have never experienced this before, so before I said I think its a good idea, I will reserve judgement.

You need to listen to these others who are now trying to help. ALl is I know is for it to work correctly you need more fresh air in than smelly/filtered that you take out. Unfortunately, you do not have that option. So I am out of ideas.

I tried, and I failed miserably. Again, I wish you the best of luck with your grow.

b0nger

[orangeman]

Actually I don't know if the space in the wall that I showed is blowing air in or out but I think because of it I have no light issues. All 275 (miscalculated watts) has been on since last night up until now and the room is still not hot so obviously that space gives enough ventilation for the heat issues. None of the seeds has come up out of the dirt but the other two seeds cracked today. Now all 3 are planted. Just waiting for proper lights and waiting for seeds to come up. Lights are on 24/7 since I don't have timer :(.

I might not make a grow log or anything like that since I'm not really getting any help that I need so to me a log would be just useless. I haven't even gotten a reply on my other thread asking about my room set up so I'm just like fuck it now. I might just go ahead and do this my self and experiment because obviously this is getting no where asking for help. This thread can be closed now, thanks for all the help but I think the best thing to do now is just to take matters into my own hands. When the plants are done (if they get done) you all will see the results :).

[freewheelinfrank]

Orangeman, you'll do fine, dude

[orangeman]

Thanks Frank! I really needed that encouragement. The two seeds I planted yesterday is still under the dirt but the other seed sprouted today. I think it's gonna be the fastest out of the three. I germinated in paper towel, it cracked in under 24 hours and it sprouted in a day after I planted. Hopefully I can flower them all at the same time :confused:.

[xcrispi]

Hey O.M ,
Great part about playin God w/ the plants = you can put the further along plants further away from the light source , and lil ones closer so lil guys can play catch up , just a cpl. days won't make much dif. anyways.
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[orangeman]

Omg I finally got light and that thing is heavy as fuck lol. I also didn't expect it to be as big as it is but what ever. I'm pissed because I wanted to set it up today. Thing said it was coming with chains but they didn't fuckin come with the light so now I'm getting some chains tomorrow. The buzzing is also a lot louder than I expected. I tried to determine the loudness from the fluoro light we have in the bathroom but this is just a bit louder. I'll probably keep dehumidifier running to drown out some of the buzzing in the room. Hopefully the fan with the carbon filter isn't any louder than the light is! :wtf: Hopefully I get at least two females. While bringing stuff in the room I knocked over my pots twice but since the seed already took root it didn't fall out of the dirt but the pots did fall over with some dirt falling out too. Hopefully that didn't cause any stress or make them die later on today or tomorrow. I hope all goes well :D.

[russ-bob]

http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/98185-low-smell-strain-small-closet-grow.html


meh maby its a lil late but i just found this thread on low smell verities

~Russ~

[Matt the Funk]

Sounds good om. Pics soon would be cool.

[orangeman]

Well Matt I guess I could post some pics lol. I wasn't gonna post anything at all but I guess pics would be cool. I've been through this germination stage soo many times it's starting to annoy me lol but here's the seedling. It's the fastest growing out of the other 2. Other 2 haven't popped out of dirt enough to be worth taking pictures of so I just decided to take a pic of the one that's about to split it's shell off. Tomorrow I expect it to be off trying to spread it's embryo leaves :D. Ya I know, I know not worth posting but I'm bored so I did it anyways lol. I didn't plan on having the other two in the white cups in those small cups but that's all I could find for the time being. When all three outgrows the cups their in now I'm gonna transplant them to real pots.

[orangeman]

I was just wondering if my light should be safe from falling? That thing was so heavy setting it up and I'm thinking about all the days it'll have to be just hanging up until harvest. The catalog said it was 40 lbs but it also said the lights would come with chains which it didn't so there's obvious mis-information in that thing. Maybe I'm just weak but it feels heavier than 40 lbs. I'm guessing the weight of the light included the enclosed ballast... Should it be fine?

Btw when the light is on after a few minutes the bulb starts to make a ringing noise, it's not really that loud but I know it shouldn't be rambling like that. I just screwed it in even tighter so hopefully that stops some of the noise. Lol I never had experience with HID light so I treated it like an old CFL or incandescent and tried to screw in tighter while it was still on. The damn cloth that I used started smoking lol!

[orangeman]

Btw I decided for safety issues just to totally not have a grow log. I will update my plants growth and show a pic or two every now and again here but I am totally not having a grow log.

[BlazinTreesX3]

O MY GOD!!!!!! you fuckin touched that thing while on??! wow you got balls and obviously no experience with them lights ... wow that bulb musta been hot!!! how many hours was it on thats unbelievable it gets hundreds and hundreds of degress hot after half a day .. ouch

[orangeman]

Relax I had a rag over my hand, I didn't know the damn things got that fuckin hot hahah! But do you guys think I'll really need a carbon filter for 3 plants? Isn't there a cheaper solution for such little plants?

[BlazinTreesX3]

Ive been burnt by the oven through the hotpad twice..

ive burnt my hand on my lighter terribly countless times without touching the flame..

I see a rag saving your hand from that light as a miracle...3rd degree burns cant be fun..

anyways congrats and everything u encounter can be handled by yourself and occasionaly a High times will help... I dust a blunt and post in barnes n nobles... in my old town i just walked out with a couple of em but not anymore and i dont suggest it ...anyways they got great info from people having problems and surprise theyre people without internet.../ dont trust internet.

[tomasinho]

OM - I dont think you will need a carbon air scrubber for a 250W grow. There will be some smell, but seriously if you get some glade plug ins and cook something spicy when the family comes over you should be ok. Also - I think the open door ventilation will work using two small 8-12" fans. This is what I would do - take one of the fans and blow it directly under the light - use an old chair or something to keep it at the right height. Use the second fan to blow air out. Try to run the lights at night when it is cooler so your temps dont get to high and people arent as likely to come through. Is someone gonna be home to close the door when you are in 12/12?

The truth is this - unless you want to be there opening and closing your door every twelve hours to block out the light you are gonna HAVE to ventilate using other methods - if you dont it will get too hot and your buds will turn out shitty. I have attempted this EXACT same grow before in a slightly smaller space (a cab) but I ventilated with a squirrel cage fan and honestly - it still got too hot and I wound up with weak nugs. The resin glands do not develop right when the temps go high. The main problem you will have is not smell - it is the ventilation.

[tomasinho]

I did think of one thing you could do though that might work. This is kinda hard to explain without a drawing but -- you could take a large piece of cardboard, the length and width of your door (or maybe put two pieces together that total the width of your door) and cut holes in it for exhaust. You could then set up the exhaust system - one fan blowing air in, one fan blowing air out. You would put the cardboard frame a few inches inside of the doorframe and you could leave the door open while the cardboard frame (with exhaust holes built in) blocks out the light. You could even paint the inside of the cardboard white or put some mylar on it. Basically you are making a cardboard wall that will block out light and will provide ventilation but can be hidden when guests come over. When people come over, you could shut the ventilation system down, close the door, maybe raise the light and throw one of those C02 pucks in there so the plants wont sufficate. Your cardboard wall with all the crazy ventilation looking shit will be completely hidden when the door is closed. If you dont get what Im sayin let me know and I will draw it for you.

[guerillagrowerz]

dude just put some odor neutralizers throughout the house and in the room so it doesn't smell since you cant set any big shit up. Good luck.
ps. From two seeds it is likely that one is male so cross your fingers. Mabe you can clone some and flower them to see what gender they are before really continuing when they are a foot tall.

[scott9116]

The last plant that I grew that didn't stink was shitty weed. Best weed I've ever grown nearly knocked me down with the smell. My two cents.

[orangeman]

Lol man I keep constantly saying that closet is down stairs and it's cold down there already. IT DOES NOT GET HOT. EVEN WITH THE 250W IT DOES NOT GO OVER 80 DEGREES!. Until 2 pm (a few hours ago) the light was on for all the previous hours. That room just does not get hot. I do not need to open my door ever unless I want to visit my ladies. I'm still getting a fan though how ever just because I think it's the right thing to do. But thanks for the suggestion. I was pretty sure I didn't need a damn carbon filter for 3 plants lol.

Btw Guerilla I have 3 seedlings not 2.

[orangeman]

Damn my plants are really doin good. It seems like in just 8 hours they make progress lol. Just went down to check, now I have timer set up they are in the dark but I took em out to look at em. They are even bigger than they were this morning. I would take pics but I'm too afraid of that new top rated threads and pics thing so I probably won't post pics until I have buds so I don't have to post anything really much. Yes I am paranoid I know, but better safe than sorry.

[orangeman]

Oh btw for those that use liquid nutes I have a question. The directions says I only need 2 tsp per gallon so I was wondering if it was alright if I just bought a gallon of water and just add 2 tsp to that gallon and just keep it in the room and use that jug when ever the plants needed feeding? I don't know if the nutes will still have the same effect if it has been sitting in the water for like a week or so. Any feedback?

[orangeman]

Ok I think I might end up getting this

Odor Sok - Activated Carbon Filters. Odour Sock makes carbon canister filters obselete. Perfect for hydroponics - Home (http://www.odorsok.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1)

I think it'll work fine :).

edit: Btw how will I know which fan I should get for the filter? Do I search for a matching CFM descrip or what?

[good ol daze]

Hey Orangeman, I think I have the same light you do, only 400w (econogro mini?) Probably about the same weight, and it's heavy as hell. I love mine except for the heat.

Instead of hooks I used eyebolts drilled and threaded through a closet shelf and again through a 2x4 piece of wood for reinforcement, and locked down the bolts with a washer and nut. I also didn't raise or lower the light (why tempt fate?). Instead, I raised and lowered the plants!

It's tore up now, cause I switched to CFLs for a lowryder 2 seed run or I could show you.

You might want to at least washer and nut those hooks, maybe try to bend the hooks back with pliers, cause it looks like the chain could slip.

Good luck! Show pics.

[good ol daze]

Oh btw for those that use liquid nutes I have a question. The directions says I only need 2 tsp per gallon so I was wondering if it was alright if I just bought a gallon of water and just add 2 tsp to that gallon and just keep it in the room and use that jug when ever the plants needed feeding? I don't know if the nutes will still have the same effect if it has been sitting in the water for like a week or so. Any feedback?


I've used Miracle Grow Bloom Booster and Peter's 20-20-20, mixed to outdoor strength...but for those I'm pretty sure it's one level tablespoon (the bigger spoon of the two) to a gallon of water. 1st Feeding, I dump 3/4 of the jug out and filled it back with regular water, diluting the mix to 1/4 outdoor strenghth. Then 2 or 3 regular waterings (with heavy flushing, steady streaming out the bottom). 2nd feeding, 1/2 strength, then regular water, working up to full strenghth. By the time I hit full strength it's time to convert to 12/12...flush real good, then repeat with bloom booster.

It might seem wasteful to dump the mix, but I'm on my 3rd grow since Jan 06with the same two boxes and plenty left!

[orangeman]

Yeah I have the econogro mini 250 watt. And I think the chains are fine. YES that thing is fuckin HEAVY. I am so weak too so that sucks lol. I almost made a boo-boo earlier trying to get the light at a good height. They wont slip though. The chains are comfy and so are the hooks lol.

edit: figured I'd attach some pics of the ladies.