cabinet grow need idea and input

[Mr.Blue]

Tv stand grow cab...Idea/brain storming

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we'll ive been brain storming about idea for my own stealth grow cab for next year, i move out of my parent house and into my own aparentment where i would like to grow my own plants...


ive put alot of thought into this so please only serously remarks, i know i am a poor speller but i am typin this in a rush (like everything i do on the computer) so for this post i apologize about the spellin ill spell check it n junk in the future.

now to my idea......

ok in the summer i am buildint a tv stand for my aparetment i will be attentding college but i HAVE my OWN aparetment OFF school property so i dont want any bad mouth for growin in a public place i am not stupid.....

for the tv stand i would like to have two mini cab (not mini single cab for a signle plant) n in between them will be a mini fridge (this way i have reason for the sound of fans)..... i have no experince with growin indoor n have no idea what type of space these plants need....so my first question is.....wat would your RECOMENDED dimention be for this cab (2 boxs remeber they will be connected in the middle with a table for my tv to sit ontop of)


secondly my main question ether then that is lighting, i wana save as much energry as i can, but at the same time get the most out of it, i was think 4 cfl in each box...

ventelation and a carbon filter is a need i dont want to stink up my aparetment..... so would i have to vent my air out of a window or could i just blow it into my room if i filter it with an activated home made carbon filter........

i will be using 1 compuer fan in each box (so total of 2) for intake i will locate this in the lower left hand cornor of the cab with a slight elbow entring the cab so elemente light escape as best as i can....

my exhaust system will join together from bother cab n enter the carbon filter in a single tube .....one fan in each of the cab to direct air into the tub then one fan ehte the Y joint is to ensure sted flow...

should this be a good ventlation system......

i will light proff this n put reflective sheeting up i just gotta run to work ill post more of my idea up tonight....

thanks for all ur input n sorry if i jump from idea to idea:P

[Mr.Blue]

on second though i was wondering if it would just be wiser and build it together but then again i wouldnt mind having two diffrent grow rooms....anyone have any input...

[keeko]

if you have not seen this thread yet it is very helpful and sounds like what your asking for......

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/52326-lovely-ladies-2.html check out post #35

[bongerstonerd00d]

They let people like you in college that spell as poorly as you do ? Damn, things have changed in the last 23 years I guess.



b0nger

[KL4D4]

There is a big difference between a freshman and a senior.

[hydroponicphx]

They let people like you in college that spell as poorly as you do ? Damn, things have changed in the last 23 years I guess.

HAHAHA. I dont mean to slam Mr.Blue, but try sitting through a 101 english class in college. Its so bad I almost had to get up and leave.

[keeko]

ha shit, atleast he apologized and let us know he was a bad speller......and to be honest i dont know if i was too stoned or what but the first time i read it I dont think i noticed one mispelling.....but since the last couple of post i re-read it and it was pretty bad...oh well:thumbsup:

[Mr.Blue]

lmao i was boren deaf so when i try n sound out the name it sounds diffrent to me so i just spell shit the way it sounds like to me........sooooooo that carbon filter junk should work n case it not to smell or what...i didnt get an answer on that, n what about the light...

[Mr.Blue]

born*** i cant find the ediot key

[keeko]

yes the carbon filter will clean the stinky air. You could use cfls for your grow but a hps will get the buds bigger and more dense if you have the ventilation under control

[Mr.Blue]

alright sooooo can anyone give me a pro n con list about Cfls vs Hps.....i know absolutly nothin about light sooooooo i need pretty much any info u can get i chosed cfl because i heard they are low in energy n to me that a big plus

[Mr.Blue]

and i also need some recomended dimention for growin 2 plants in one box.....i am custom making this (sorry am to stoned to care about my poor spelling :)

[Mr.Blue]

Easylite - Bulb G9 120V/25W - 092-25 (http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=942144&Ntt=942144&catalogId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchall&recN=112591&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber)

[pennywisdom26]

Chill dude. Maybe he's a math guy.:jointsmile: I'm high and it looked fine. Old jaded people suck.;)

[Mr.Blue]

lol anywho i have a few new question hopfully i can get some ansers for the lights ive been lookin into getting some t-5s but my worrie is heat, how bad is the heat with the lights......i have 3 fans now PS2 fans....i picked ps2 fans because i feel that they move decent air around while remaing silent as well....


how does that sound to you guys, i am just gona start out with one grow cab intill i get the hang of it...this way i can cut down my lost of money due to mistake....

[Good_Vibrations]

Hey brah,

CFLs are not a horrible choice. They will not provide as much growing power as a HPS or Metal Halide, however it is possible to achieve a good grow with them. Just keeping a watchful eye on the conditions and adujsting the lights daily.

When it comes to fans and ventilation you may need a little more power than the ps2 fans. They will do fine for intake (fresh air) but when it comes to exausting the old stinky air they will not be able to push enough through the filter. Remember once the air hits the filter it loses its velocity.

Interesting side note.....Im a CODA.

Respect.
G_V

[Mr.Blue]

so should i have one fan leading into the exhaust then another fan right befor the carbon filter forcing air threw but not bad?

[Good_Vibrations]

If you're refering to the ps2 fans, I think you will have more trouble than success "dasiy chaining" your fans. Then again Im no pro with air circulation, if budget is a big issue you may be better off with an inline fan. They can be more noisy but will provide an extra push in your exhaust chain. The best would to be throw down on some of the centriugal fans.

Respect.
G_V

[Mr.Blue]

well i dont want to spend more then 30 bucks on a fan for my first time in future i will upgrade....where can i pick up an inline fan a local hardwear store or no?

[Mr.Blue]

my friend said that i should use these lights, they re philips alto PL-s 13/w/b27/29, 850 lum output, would this do.....it a mercury fluescent tube.

[Mr.Blue]

sorry about posting one after another i wish i can find this stupid ediot key i mean honestly how many places can i look:P, well heres a site to the lights Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444328 7979&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672801&bmUID=1173731799434)

any commint on these?

[Good_Vibrations]

Yes, the inline fan can be purchased at a hardware store. It will be in the ducting section, if you are thinking of running a chain of fans I would suggest picking up some of that ducting to do so.

As for the lights that you mentioned, I had no clue what they were. Other than the fact that you said they were mercury vapors. From what I know mercury vapors are not good grow lights, the reason escaping me right. None the less, you can go to the light section at your hardware store and pick up some CFL (Compact Flouresent Lights) in packs for a couple of bucks. As well youcan check out the 2' flourescent tubes to add for side lighting. With the combination of both you will have much healthier plants. You may have to spend a little more, but it may be a little extra you are willing to spend if it will be better overall.

The link to your site was dead, I had no idea where to go.

Respect.
G_V :rastasmoke:

[Mr.Blue]

well if i can just run on out let fan then that better n i would prefer to do that, the like has 6500k 850lumm 13wats, if u think it eayer to go with clf the problem with the clf all i can find is Soft light n daytime light is that correct or wat?

[Good_Vibrations]

I think the CFLs are going to be your best bet. Here is a link to some useful information on plant lighting Buy grow lights at Plantlighting.com (http://www.plantlighting.com/grow_lights.html)

As for the color this is a cool chart to memorize, or have nearby.

CTT in Kelvin (K)/ Light Color/ Effect/

5000 to 8000/ Deep blue/ Encourages excellent leaf and stem growth.

4000 to 5000 / Light blue/ Encourages good leaf and
stem growth.

4000/ Neutral white/ Promotes normal growth.

3700 to 4000/ Warm neutral/ Promotes rapid growth.

3000 to 37000/ Warmer yellow neutral/ Highly active
photosynthesis for all stages of growth.

1500 to 3000/ Hot orange or red/ Promotes flowering

Stay Fresh.
G_V

[Mr.Blue]

alright well my light fictures has this female end is there any warmer yellow light for this type of socket
Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6672801&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443287979&bmUID=1173741044440&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true)

[Mr.Blue]

if not i can alway run 2 of these n 2 cfl for the warm yellow light, any worrie about heat yet?

[Cornelius]

you are gonna need at least 2 feet of vertical growspace (i.e. from the top of your grow medium to the height at which you are too close to the light). This is is if you scrog. if no scrog then you will probably need even more height.

you can do it with HPS if you cool tube, and you can run a double cool tube if you run both inline. HPS will give you a better yield, and in my experience cfls are a pain to work with since you need so many bulbs. It will be warmer, so a cooltube is a must. I run a 250w hps and my plants can grow right into the cooltube without getting burned. I would recommend a good fan if you are going to be going thru a carbon filter since this can slow things down a bit. a cheap fan will get you cheap circulation. thats why I had to put 2 of them together to get enough flow. If you vent inside your house expect it to get warm.

if you are still planning on the double chamber, double light tube, then i would connect the 2 chambers at the top as well to allow the stinky air to get from the 2nd (in air flow) chamber, since there will be no opening in that one.

the nice thing about dual chambers is you will have a veg chamber and a flower chamber, so you can harvest every 2 months or so, you lucky dog

[Mr.Blue]

well first i am just doin my first cab then after i have experince i will make my mains chamber.....hey free heating i cant complain;) as long as it doesnt smell, so i will have ONE ps2 fan for intake now i need a fan for outtake....i plan to make the active carbon filter from the diy thread.....i will make mine 6" in diamitor seeing how i think 8" is huge for a few plants(first cab only member)......recomendation of fan sizes would be wonderfull i was thinking of getting a high=end computer fan but even then i dont know if its enough power to push the air threw.

i was lookin at lights today n i think i am just gona do it this way i am so confused about lighting cause i am worried about heat n when i walk into the store they have 10000000 of light bulb.....soo i want to get a 13" Fluorescent fixture with tube bulbs one for veg n one for growth (or should i do dual then switch them when i wana switch stages)

once again thanks for the help guys

[Cornelius]

for your filter you are going to need a pretty decent fan. I don't think a computer fan will do it. and yes the 6" filter is fine, it's what i'm using for my cabinet.

a cool tube will eliminate heat issues for HID lights. I really recommend them over fluorescent--you get better, faster growth with HID, and most importantly, more bud. I know they might seem expensive, but think of it as an investment that pays you back in weed.

[Mr.Blue]

well see i dont wana build a cool tube right now these light we'll get upgraded in the futur but do u recomend fluorescent or CFL cause that is my two choises for what i am going to use....


for outtake fan i saw on the canadiantire.ca site of a duck fan, a simple fan that goes into a duck here is whatit said about it

FAN, BOOSTER DUCT
Model:DB100ADJ 6-8"
HH Item Number: 5532-239
- For automatic year round control of your
inductor
- Boost airflow up to 100%
- Operate for pennies a day
- Simple to install
- For boosting duct airflow, general ventilation
and/or exhaust
- Designed to be used with the "Ductstat" for
even easier installations (5532-248)
- Models to fit 6 to 8" ducts
- Max Boosted CFM: 250
- Free Air CFM: 160
- Amps: 0.35
- Housing Length: 4" x 11"
- dBA: 50
- Blade Type: Polycarbonate

still not good enough(no experince with fans n junk just for ur info)

[Good_Vibrations]

Blue.

I cant use the link you are providing as I dont have a zip code for it.

Peace.
G_V

[Mr.Blue]

k8n 3z2

[Mr.Blue]

but cant u tell by the info i provided if it will move enough air?

[Mr.Blue]

if it isnt how many cfm should i be lookin at

[Good_Vibrations]

Sorry brah,

Been busy the past couple of days. Sounds like you're getting the hang of it. The key is research, research, and some more research.

Stay Fresh.
G_V:rastasmoke:

[Mr.Blue]

well i think i am just gona use one of the air nuteralizoer(i know spelling bad but am burnt out..:)) then i am going to get a compact cfl that pushin 10k lumas from a hydro shop in my area

[Mr.Blue]

also if my high to 3 ft does anyone have an idea about my d,w i was think 2 1/2w 2d

how many plant should this hold

[Mr.Blue]

hmmm well I am just going to post more question the question above I have ether answer with other people post or just claim to my own conclusion.

Ok well I have permission from my rent to start a 4 seed grow to give me "exp" before I move out (they have limited exp growing indoor only outdoor)

They main question they brought up is space, if any strain (or most strains) will grow in a cab? Dimension you ask well I think I finally satisfied with my dimension.

They are:
Height- 3’ft (2’ ¾ of vert growing space)
Length- 3’ft
Depth- 1’ ½ or 1’ 3/4