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Maggz

03-10-2007, 08:09 AM

Google Video (http://video.google.com) look up ALEX JONES..many of his full length videos can be watched, and each of them are worth watching. Please take action..America is on the road to tyranny, it MUST BE STOPPED!

Alex Jones' Infowars.com :: There is a War on for Your Mind! (http://www.infowars.com)

Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com: The Earth Is Being Turned Into A Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com)

They're already FINGER-SCANNING students at lunch lines throughout the nation. WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT..FINGER PRINTS ARE PRIVATE, it is absolutely inappropriate to have to FINGER SCAN a student just to make the "lunch line move quicker", talk about rubbish. IT WILL GO TO THE GOVERNMENT DATABASE, THAT'S WHERE IT WILL END UP..It starts in the schools..give it a few more years and we're looking at total enslavement..get ready America

pwn3dy0

03-10-2007, 09:53 PM

I like Alex Jones and what he stands for. Everything he reports is factual the documents are there, and he just exposes all the corruption. That being said, he spends too much time marketing his shit and trying to sell stuff that it kind of looks bad. Just look at the prison planet/info wars headlines...it looks so tabloid like. Still a true patriot though.

Zimzum

03-11-2007, 02:02 AM

"alex jones is the truth..familiarize yourself with his works "

How so is he the truth? You tell me that but don't seem to back up your claim. This man is a liar and a cheat. He twists words to fit into the conspiracy cult following he has going on. Don't take anything those sites say at face value.. Go look up the bills he claims are to slave us, you will see that nothing of the like is true or overly exaggerated worst case scenario's.

Click this (http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/98118-democrats-beef-police-state-9-11-commission-bill.html). A link to a Pisshead post that he won't reply with an answer to a debunking I did.

EbelEyes

03-11-2007, 03:41 AM

I don't trust him...

Psycho4Bud

03-11-2007, 04:54 AM

I'm with Zimzum on this one which is VERY rare considering the sides of the fence we stand on. A.J. has a great way of manipulating a story or bill, whatever to make it out for what he desires. CHECK THE LINKS and confirm what's being said........you'll be suprised at the spin 99% of the time.

9-11 happens.....blame it on Bush. Katrina.....damn U.S. forces have NO business on the streets of our cities; them poor lil' gang bangers. Mexicans crossing the border....OH HELL NO! Remember the Alamo!!!
ONLY if it directly affects his OWN surroundings or pocket book........This should be the logo of all his sites::spam4: the only problem is that the Spam company would take offense to having their product belittled.

Have a good one!:s4:

pisshead

03-11-2007, 05:18 AM

Psycho4Bud

03-11-2007, 05:37 AM

and they're all free at google video...how evil of alex jones to make all his videos available for free...must be about the money...

When I go to the grocery store and there is a sweet lil' ol' lady giving free samples I don't think that the company is worried about my hunger at that time.....they want to make the bigger sale. Wet your appetite to make the sale.

Watch my FREE video, look at the site. NEXT comes a paid membership.....buy my videos and while your at it we got t-shirts too!:thumbsup:

Memberships, Shortwave radios, Digital FM Transmitters, tapes, books, CDs, Info Gear(t-shirts, wrist bands, hats).....and all this plus more is NOT for free!
AMAZING SPECIALS (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/index.html)
It's called bait and switch.......bait you with a free video then switch the money from your pocket to his.

Check the links and ALWAYS confirm the facts on your own!

Have a good one!:s4:

Maggz

03-11-2007, 08:14 AM

Psycho4bud.....he has his complete DVD videos on there..some of them are over 2 hours long..hes actually LOSING MONEY because hes offering these same videos for purchase on his website for around 24.99 .. so if he was really in it for the money, why would he post the entire thing? wouldnt he post a small portion of it instead to "BAIT YOU IN" as you said?

HES NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY, plain and simple. Have you even seen his videos to their entirety? Have you actually RESEARCHED the documents he brings up ..such as OPERATION AJAX for example? (Look it up..)

People you have to realize there's more that needs to be changed in this country then the DRUG LAWS..take your mind off weed for a second and pay attention.

If you haven't read "1984" by George Orwell .. read it. It will give you goosebumps when you compare our society to the things that happen in that book. It all adds up..DOUBLE-THINK IS REAL! (Look that up too if you dont know what it means)

The conclusion is ..we can NOT trust our government, OR the lies it feeds to us VIA the MEDIA most of the time..they won't share the important stories, the unanswered ones.

A GOOD WAY TO BECOME AWARE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE "PROTECTED" FROM....WATCH THIS VIDEO "TERRORSTORM" PRETTY POPULAR BUT MOST PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

TerrorStorm Deluxe High Quality (Alex Jones) - Google Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm&hl=en)

WATCH TERRORSTORM....WATCH THIS VIDEO AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW AMERICA IS HEADED FOR TYRANY, AND HEADED TO ENSLAVE THE WORLD, ALL OF US.....UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

FIGHT BACK, before AMERICA turns into NAZI GERMANY!!! (ITS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS)

Maggz

03-11-2007, 08:28 AM

I mentioned how schools are now finger scanning students..let me tell you why this is so disturbing and horrible for our society...

SCHOOLS ARE REQUIRED to send a note of consent to parents about students going on a CLASS TRIP...but when it comes to FINGER SCANNING THEM...they simply send a note telling the parents that they will be scanned. They don't even ask for parental consent.

Knowing our lying, corrupt, vile, Nazi-like government..we can NOT trust them with our childrens fingerprints. Using them for LUNCHES??? HOW RIDICULOUS CAN YOU GET?

They deceive you. Every single finger print will end up in a U.S. GOVERNMENT DATA BASE...why would you trust THEM with it? THIS IS THE SAME GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRADE, TORTURE, TOP SECRET PROJECTS AND OPERATIONS THAT THEY KEEP SECRET FROM YOU SUCH AS C.I.A. OPERATIONS LIKE MKULTRA, LYING ABOUT WMD'S, SPONSORING TERRORISM ON IT'S OWN PEOPLE, HUMAN TRAFFIKING, SNOOPING THROUGH YOUR PHONE RECORDS, AND that's just scratching the SURFACE...

If you are concerned about this country..concerned about it's conditions for you, your children, your grandchildren.. then please, educate yourself on everything this government has done. DO SOME RESEARCH ON YOUR CONSTITUTION, and TAKE NOTICE OF HOW IT'S BEING VIOLATED CONSTANTLY.. DO NOT LET THEM BULLY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE are the people and WE WILL fight back, I'M BEGGING YOU ALL, GET THE WORD OUT..IF NOT ALEX JONES, USE YOUR OWN VOICE!!!!!

WE are dealing with an elusive enemy..our own government is so successful at dumbing us down generation after generation, there is no telling what they're doing or what they're capable OF doing.

do something for this country, BRING THE MESSAGE OUT..THIS IS BECOMING A POLICE STATE, AND THE UN-BADGED ENFORCEMENTS RESEMBLE WAFFEN S.S.

THIS IS AMERICA!!!!!!!! TAKE ACTION, ALL OF YOU.

Maggz

03-11-2007, 08:57 AM

AND OH YEAH, another thing to prove that AMERICA isnt the only country involved , but the same people are...because the LONDON BOMBINGS of 7/7 was a little fishy too..

Dont you find it weird that on the very same day..a SIMULTANEOUS EXERCISE was being performed? PETER POWER FROM VISOR CONSULTANTS WAS WORKING THAT VERY SAME DAY AT THE SAME EXACT PLACE THE ATTACKS TOOK PLACE AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PRACTICE A SCENERIO BASED ON A TERRORIST ATTACK...BUT A REAL ONE HAPPENED INSTEAD.

Psycho4Bud

03-11-2007, 04:37 PM

socialistpete

03-11-2007, 08:07 PM

I've known about alex jones for years but I have to ask what percent is truth?

Maggz

03-11-2007, 08:14 PM

I can give a fuck less about his financial issues. I'm more concerned about his MESSAGE, encouraging Americans to get more educated, forget Alex Jones for a second..in the end of the day what he's basically saying is RESEARCH THIS GOVERNMENT, LEARN ABOUT IT'S CRIMINAL HISTORY, UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN'T BE TRUSTED, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ENFORCING, TAKE ACTION IF IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and finally, READ THE CONSTITUTION.

American's are being dumbed down generation after generation. This "dumbing down" isn't happening spontaneously, something triggered the chain off. He had a point when he said That's whats going on in a country in which most people don't even know the first 5 ammendments but can name every Simpson's character from the top of their heads.

The stupider the people get, the more ignorant they become about this country's dark past, the less they know about the constitution and the more faith they put in this government which has convinced them that they're here to "PROTECT THEM" .... we're looking at a dark future for our grandchildren. Tyranny, Dictatorship, whatever you wish to call it ... that's what we're headed for at the speed we're going.

Psycho4Bud

03-12-2007, 12:33 AM

I can give a fuck less about his financial issues. I'm more concerned about his MESSAGE

That's my major problem with this dude. Me and Zimzum usually disagree about everything dealiing with politics except for this one. A.J. takes pieces of the facts and distorts it to make it look evil while hiding the ACTUAL truth behind a link. Spend the time to access one of the links to bills that he rips on and you'll find this to be true 99% of the time.

American's are being dumbed down generation after generation.

I agree......these people that feed off the fears of others and distort the truth for cash should have to answer for their actions or at least put up a disclaimer.

Tyranny, Dictatorship, whatever you wish to call it ... that's what we're headed for at the speed we're going.

THAT'S what he wants of you. BUY the membership, buy the tapes, buy the t-shirts and let your neighbors know how aware you are!

Feed people a free sample.......they get a bit more hungry and take a few nibbles.....next thing is to real em' in. DO NOT end up in Alex Jones fish bucket.

If you want to live your life thinking Uncle Sam wants you in a concentration camp.......LOL, go for it! I enjoy life way to much.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

notransfer

03-12-2007, 01:28 AM

im watching the police state 2...and it is interesting but...kinda trite to know secret shit happens and the govt are the biggest dealers of all..

upper echelon garbage...throwing rocks at tanks..

i always think about stuff like this but i also take the lethargic way out and think 'what can we do' except be objective as bystanders...as jones does...i would really like to listen to his show, but i would be more entertained than driven to overthrow something we have little power to do anything about.

notransfer

03-12-2007, 01:31 AM

not that these things are not wacky, and not as if i do not care at all about these things happening...i just feel like if and when the time arises where the general population is overrun with gestapo style garbage, the intelligible and diligent members of society will rise like an immune system to check and balance these violations of our civil liberties...

its a matter of seeing if time will tell in my opinion..

Zimzum

03-12-2007, 02:45 AM

Why isn't Mr. Jones thanking or commenting on the DOJ findings that parts of the patriot act have been misused? Surely he would take this as a small victory? Nope, he copied/pasted the AP article and left it at that. No big veges style glitter over the story to show the importance of it like his story "Sony brings real life matrix one step closer".. He never wants to say anything positive, even if it looks good for his argument. This man is the Bill O'Reilly of the conspiracy world. Pure entertainment value only!

He seems to want to trash talk free massions... Its a shame I know three of them and none of them would be considered "global elite". They are not a secretive organization hell bent on world domination.. Human nature alone is a good arguing point that no one global government could ever work. Greed and personal agenda's would quickly sink that boat ride.

Zimzum

03-12-2007, 02:54 AM

Although this isn't a debunking of Mr.AJs work its worth a look at if you got 3 hours to spare.

Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again edition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561)

eg420ne

03-12-2007, 05:02 PM

^^^^Does it mention who warned top pentagon personal not to fly out on 911...What does it say about the insider trading on the airliners "put option"...What does it say about NORAD standing down....Whats the excuse does it give about the passport being found unscared on top of the WTC rubble...Or does doe it just talk about the persons who created Loose Change

Breukelen advocaat

03-12-2007, 05:24 PM

9/11 "Put Options" conspiracy theory debunked at SNOPES:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Put Paid (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp)

Zimzum

03-12-2007, 05:31 PM

^^^^Does it mention who warned top pentagon personal not to fly out on 911...YES!, and also all this miss quotations you guys like to use. They were warned but thats only 50% of the whole story on that issue. What does it say about the insider trading on the airliners "put option"... That put options are normal and several times throughout the year it reached high levels just like years past. What does it say about NORAD standing down....Nothing, no NORAD stand down as pre 9/11 NORAD had nothing to do with internal attacks, only those coming from overseas. And since the end of the cold war there budget has been hacked greatly. It also explains the difference between "Combat Ready" and "On Alert". Whats the excuse does it give about the passport being found unscared on top of the WTC rubble...Or does doe it just talk about the persons who created Loose Change Not sure on the passport part but it goes over what they cover in it, not just the creators

This is why 9/11 deniers can not be taken seriously. They refuse to look at what goes against there beliefs. Sure its good to question the story.. But when you choose to follow BS facts and twist the official story to fit a conspiracy you lose allot of credibility.

You do know there is a loose change version 3 coming out soon.. Makes you wonder why they didn't check there facts the first time around. Maybe by the 10th edition they can make the music a bit more scarier.

eg420ne

03-12-2007, 06:35 PM

LoL..The "Official Story" thats exactly what it is

eg420ne

03-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Plus i dont need to prove anything its solely on the government to prove what they said who dunnit....what was that, Condie, you've have proof that alCIAduh & USAma hands all over 9-11, and will tell us in due time, i feel much better now......... showing a fat USAma in a grainy video saying he masterminded the 911 attack when every other video/pictures are sharp as hell of alCIAduh & USAma.....Sure i guess we should believe the "Official Story" our government wouldnt lie to us

eg420ne

03-12-2007, 06:59 PM

Debunked by snopes...LoL....went to the site:spam2: jezzbus and got spamed to death almost.my pop upblocker went haywire

Zimzum

03-12-2007, 07:52 PM

Well if your willing to bad mouth it without even looking then that only speaks twords the caliber of your mentality. Talking you out of conspiracy's would be like talking Jesus out of god. To each his own, but realize you are being fed BS when you and your conspiracy click come telling me I'm the one being lied too.

Great Spirit was all gun ho about a false flag terror attack before the end of 2006.. Well we're into 2007 and no martial law yet! :thumbsup:

Breukelen advocaat

03-12-2007, 07:53 PM

Debunked by snopes...LoL....went to the site:spam2: jezzbus and got spamed to death almost.my pop upblocker went haywire

I have not gotten any popups, or "spam" (R U sure?) on SNOPES. There is also the option of printing the article, reading it on the "print" page, or E-mailing it. All available without asking you to donate, buy videos or books, or join anything - unlike AJ.

You can "LOL" all you want, but the SNOPES article has facts that make sense. If they are not true, then by all means show us why.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Put Paid (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp)[/QUOTE]

Breukelen advocaat

03-12-2007, 08:27 PM

Does anybody here freeze weed? I knew a guy that froze some primo stuff for a couple of years, and he unfroze it during a draught. I bought some, and it was great.

pwn3dy0

03-12-2007, 09:07 PM

Lets say 9/11 had nothing to do with the government. We already live in a fascist state. Our mainstream media is totally controlled. For example, do you ever hear anyone but Lou Dobbs (who has a clause in his contract which states he can do his own material) mention the North American Union? What about the REAL ID Act? Do they talk about how the Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express? No. They talk about Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and phoney political issues. We have big media institutions and government working together to suppress the people. That itself is fascism.

Zimzum

03-12-2007, 09:20 PM

Breukelen advocaat

03-12-2007, 10:14 PM

Does anybody here freeze weed? I knew a guy that froze some primo stuff for a couple of years, and he unfroze it during a draught. I bought some, and it was great.

I don't know how this got into the "conspiracy" forum. I meant to put it in the "Lounge" I must have had 2 windows open, or something, LOL.

pwn3dy0

03-12-2007, 10:33 PM

Federal Reserve Act
Dispersed throughout 12 USC; ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251 (December 23, 1913)

To provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes

What part of the federal reserve is not federal?

The Federal Reserve braches are not federal institutions, they are private, independent, locally controlled corporations. It run by private bankers who WORK for the government. The day when Woodrow Wilson signed it in entact was the day our country was no longer run by our politicans, and Woodrow Wilson knew it.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

The court even ruled the federal reserve is private. case Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)

A small group of dominate bankers control our money. Yet....no americans know that.:eek: The majority of americans are also under the illusion we were fonded as a democracy.

We all know Britney Spears shaved her head though....and people try to argue that the big corporations and government don't work together to dumb down the people.....

Well, what can you say, Ignorance is bliss and everyone wants bliss.

AlwaysBlazed

03-12-2007, 11:24 PM

People are trying to discredit Alex Jones but they don't say anything about what he is doing. He may be exaggerating but he puts the issues out there.

eg420ne

03-12-2007, 11:39 PM

Psycho4Bud

03-13-2007, 12:01 AM

People are trying to discredit Alex Jones but they don't say anything about what he is doing. He may be exaggerating but he puts the issues out there.

LOL....I said exactly what he is doing.......example:

Real Story Headline:
Bush kills a dog that was biting Sen. Pelosi.

Alex Jones Version:
Bush KILLS dog! Bush and his neo-con friends will try to cover this up!!!

At least most shock jocks work off of REAL information.......they don't twist facts for sales. If the issue he presents is a lie, why the hell would I want to read it in the first place?

Have a good one!:s4:

Zimzum

03-13-2007, 12:58 AM

The link will provide provide you to the story where he has more links to back up his sources. I'm not Pisshead and gonna mark up a couple dozen links.

The Top Lies and Deceptions of Loose Change 1-10 (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-lies-and-deceptions-of-loose.html)

1. Claim: Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participated in an exercise simulating crashing a 757 into a building in October 2000, before retiring to take a job at American Airlines,

Truth: Charles Burlingame started working for AA in 1979 and retired from the Naval Reserve in 1996, 4 years before these supposed exercises took place.

2. Claim: Investors with prior knowledge of 9/11 made millions buying put options on airline stock.

Truth: Both the 9/11 committee and business journalists investigated this claim and found nothing unusual. Much of the investment also involved purchasing airline stock.

3. Claim: Plane crashing into World Trade Center was identified as a windowless cargo plane.

Truth: The man who claimed this, Marc Birnbach, was over 2 miles away at the time.

4. Claim: An air traffic controller reported that they thought flight 77 was a military plane.

Truth: The full quote was referring to the unsafe way the plane was flying, not that it was impossible for a civilian plane to fly like that. "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane you don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."

5. Claim, Flight 77 managed to tear 5 light poles completely out of the ground,
Without damaging either the wings or the light poles themselves.

Truth: We donâ??t know that the wings were undamaged, since they crashed into the Pentagon fractions of a second later. There are pictures of the light poles, however, which show them broken and twisted.

6. Claim: The official explanation for flight 77 at the Pentagon is that the intense heat from the jet fuel vaporized the entire plane.

Truth: No official has made that claim, and in fact numerous pieces of the plane, including the bodies of the passengers, and the black boxes were found.

7. Claim: A spokesman for Rolls-Royce stated that engine parts found at the Pentagon did not belong to any of their engines.

Truth: The spokesman stated specifically that he was not an engineer and was not familiar with the engine in question.

8. Claim: Karl Schwarz President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies LLC and I-Nets Security Systems, identified the engine as being a JT8D turbojet engine belonging to an A-3 Skywarrior.

Karl Schwarz is a proven fraud and conspiracy theorist, with no known background in technology or avionics. His companies are shell corporations with no employees or products. Furthermore, the A-3 Skywarrior never used a JT8D engine. The engine in question is consistent with that of the Rolls-Royce RB211 used by the 757.

9. Claim: Employees at the Pentagon were seen suspiciously carrying away a large box shrouded in a blue tarp.

Truth: The blue tarp was a tent, used to aid in the crash response.

10. Claim: The damage to the Pentagon was completely inconsistent with a Boeing 757?

Truth: Studies by NIST, the ASCE and Purdue University, including computer simulations show that the damage was perfectly in keeping with a crashing airplane.

Zimzum

03-13-2007, 01:22 AM

Zimzum

03-13-2007, 01:39 AM

This one even comes from a conspiracy site.. Maybe its a double conspiracy!

PROOF: Alex Jones Sells-Out to ABC (http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/jonesgrayaffair.html)
by Victor Thorn

Investigative researcher Thomas Holbrook has done some outstanding work in shedding new light on a case which has become known as The Alex Jones Affair: A Christian Family Betrayed. For those of you not familiar with this inexcusable example of betrayal, allow me to quickly rehash what took place. Before beginning, though, I must add that all credit for what follows goes to Mr. James Lloyd, whose outstanding article this overview is based upon. Then, after introducing you to this story, we'll follow-up with Thomas Holbrook's latest revelations.

In January, 2000, patriot John Gray and his family came under siege from government authorities in Trinidad, Texas; and they have been living under these conditions ever since. Shortly after this Waco-like situation developed, Alex Jones and his cameraman Mike Hansen visited the Grays and requested a videotape interview. Mr. Gray gave his permission under one condition: the film could only be released after the siege came to an end. Jones agreed to this request, as John Gray recounts (verbatim): â??Alex promised me this would only be used for documentary purposes when this was all over. We have several witnesses to this. He also assured us again that none of the video would be shown anywhere.â?

Please keep these words in mind, for they will become very important.

So, after gaining Grayâ??s trust, Jones was permitted to film this familyâ??s residence, including, as James Lloyd writes, â??crucial defensive locationsâ? that â??revealed significant logistical information.â? This point is also vital, because the last time there was a stand-off in Texas against a family of Christian patriots, we all know what happened. David Koresh and 80+ other men, women and children were burned to death in a blazing inferno. And, considering 9-11, Oklahoma City, Randy Weaver, and many other government-sponsored acts of terrorism, another Waco is not outside the realm of possibility.

Anyway, shortly after documenting the Grays, Jones returned to their home a few days later, but this time he had a very peculiar request. He wanted John Gray to let the ABC News show 20/20 videotape him.

Now, before continuing, I have a question. First, how did Jones come in contact with 20/20? In case you need reminding, ABC is the enemy! In fact, they epitomize the New World Orderâ??s corporate-controlled mainstream media; and theyâ??ve done serious damage to the Truth Movement over the past few decades with their cover-ups and lies. Why in Godâ??s name is Alex Jones working in unison with them? Please think long and hard about this point, because just recently the station which Jones broadcasts his radio show on â?? GCN â?? became an ABC satellite affiliate, and theyâ??re also carrying ABC programming and advertising. How can the alternative media remain viable and trustworthy if theyâ??re openly consorting with the enemy?

Naturally, John Gray refused time-and-again Jonesâ?? persistent requests to let ABC inside his house, so when 20/20 was set to broadcast this story, guess what happened. Jones told Gray that he SOLD his videotapes to ABCâ??s 20/20! According to Gray, â??Jones called me and said he had done something very wrong. He had let 20/20 have the video.â? In addition, â??Alex said he had sold the video for $700.00.â?

Consider for a moment that Alex Jones was the only person allowed inside the Gray residence. He was also the only one allowed to shoot any video, and he was the only one entrusted by John Gray. Yet what does Alex Jones do? He blatantly betrays this family and endangers their lives by selling his soul to ABC for a lousy $700.00. Not only is such an act despicable, it should also send red-flags up to every patriot in this movement; because if Jones could so easily sell-out this family, how much loyalty do you think he has to the rest of us?

But, despite being Judasâ??d by Jones, John Gray showed his true Christian colors by telling Alex that all he wanted him to do was â??get on the air and apologize and tell the patriots what he had done.â? Thatâ??s not much to ask, yet Alex responded that he was â??afraid the bad patriots would take him outâ? (his exact words).

Incredibly, once again we see Jonesâ?? unbridled paranoia and drama queen theatrics â?? yâ??know the kind where he gets all hysterical every few months and says the New World Order is trying to kill him. But as weâ??ve pointed-out numerous times before, if these monsters truly wanted to snuff Jones, guess what theyâ??d do. Theyâ??d KILL HIM and not just talk about it for ten years. How do you think government hit men operate? Do they post a flier in town square saying theyâ??re going to murder Alex Jones? Hell no. They just off him, no questions asked. Thus, the whole â??death threatâ? scenario is another hyperactive ruse where Jones is either a bald-faced liar, or heâ??s so whacked-out off his rocker that he should be locked in a rubber room and fed massive doses of thorazine.

To make matters worse, Jones began lying by telling people that John Gray had signed a contract with him. But as Gray states very clearly, â??I didnâ??t sign a contract to give Alex any permission to air the video on 20/20.â?

To prove that he was telling the truth, Gray contacted GCN president Ted Anderson and wanted to broadcast his grievances on-air. But he soon discovered that, â??The Genesis tactic has been to completely bury the story, and refuse to allow any scrutiny of Alex Jones.â? James Lloyd also adds, â??Every host that has any knowledge of the matter has uniformly refused to allow the issue in any public forum. All callers to any of the various GCN programs that even hint at mentioning the matter are immediately taken off the air and hung up on.â?

I donâ??t know about you, but doesnâ??t this sound exactly like the way the government and mainstream media operate? If they donâ??t want you to know about something, they simply bury it. It seems Ted Anderson and Alex Jones are absolutely horrified of this story; for once theyâ??re exposed as money-grubbing turncoat betrayers for the world to see, their Wizard of Oz cover will be blown to kingdom come once-and-for-all.

So, this is where journalist Thomas Holbrook enters the picture. Heâ??s been investigating GCN and the Gray Affair for the past few months, and has finally tracked down the elusive John Gray via United States Postal Service general delivery. The following responses came to Holbrook via a letter, where John Gray unflinchingly says, â??After this thing with Alex Jones, we do not trust anyone in the media, newspapers, magazines, even shortwave.â?

After being raked over the coals and betrayed by Alex Jones, I canâ??t say I rightly blame Mr. Gray for his suspicions.

Also, Gray stated that he stood by everything written by James Lloyd in his article, and that, â??90% of everything Alex and Mike [Hansen] said were lies! Alex has all the people on shortwave convinced that we are feds and nuts.â? He continued, â??We did not contact Alex for publicity. We are not feds or Masons!!!â?

Yâ??see, Jones was the one who opportunistically contacted John Gray, and similar to every other venture he engages in, Jones found a way to make $$$$$ off of it (this time by selling out the Grays to ABC News). Also, Jones has used the exact same disinformation techniques on us here at WING TV when we started uncovering his censorship practices (among other things). Yâ??see, whenever Alex gets exposed for his dirty-dealings, the first thing he does is lie and say that the ones exposing him are COINTELPRO or government agents. This tactic is pathetic beyond words, especially when Jones contacts a family under siege â?? the Grays â?? then betrays their trust, endangers their lives, and ultimately profits from selling them out to a tentacle of the NWO. In my book, this makes Alex Jones a coward and a low-life rat that absolutely cannot be trusted any longer.

Finally, John Joseph Gray reiterated much of what James Lloyd covered in his original article, while adding a new twist:

Alex got real jealous because we wouldnâ??t call them when Chuck Norris came out here. Thatâ??s when he began to badmouth us.

Alex just sold us out. He thought we would be dead before 20/20 was aired. Heâ??s just trying to cover himself. Alex tried to talk me into letting 20/20 come up to the house and video. I told him he was the only one who had taken video around the house which wouldnâ??t get out till this was all over with, and I didnâ??t want 20/20 up here. I met 20/20 at our front gate when they came in, and stayed several yards away from the house.â?

After reading these words, I feel it is appropriate to hearken back to how John Gray opened his letter to Thomas Holbrook: â??Thank you for being concerned. The truth will get out on Alex before itâ??s over with.â? God bless John Gray, and yes, he is correct - the truth is getting out about the way Alex Jones operates.

Of course there are still many unanswered questions, such as how Chuck Norris fits into the picture. But Thomas Holbrook is following up with the Grays, and hopefully more information will arise in the near future.

In the meantime, we are going to post a list of questions to Alex Jones on Monday concerning his betrayal of John Gray, along with his affiliation with the ABC News network. In addition, I did leave a message for Alex Jones before running this article, but once again he chose to hide instead of returning my phone call. Considering his repeated exhibitions of cowardice, how are we supposed to believe that this guy is going to â??fight the New World Orderâ? when heâ??s not even man enough to answer our questions and take responsibility for his actions? Worse, if Alex Jones has already sold his soul to the dark-side once, who's to say that he hasn't done it again?

eg420ne

03-13-2007, 02:57 AM

WoW Attacks on AJ i guess he had it coming for getting a thread named after him

eg420ne

03-13-2007, 03:16 AM

Alex Jones Predicted What Now? (http://thedoc911.blogspot.com/2006/11/alex-jones-predicted-what-now.html)

I am often told that "Alex Jones predicted 9/11!". To be honest I hadn't looked into it until now. But from where I see it, this guy predicted something so general even I could have predicted it!

Alex said what? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5303650980076317276)

Yes, Alex Jones DOES mention the World Trade Centers in this video. NO! he doesn't link them to a FUTURE attack. He's talking about the 93' attack on the towers by al Qaeda (even though he thinks it was the US government...)

All he says is that Bin Laden will be blamed. Which is something even I could have predicted due to the fact he was resposible for:

The 1992 Attack on the Gold Mihor Hotel in Yemen
The 1993 Attack on the World Trade Centers
A plot to blow up airliners over the pacific in 1993
The bombing at a U.S. military facility in Riyadh
The 1996 Khobar Towers Bombing
The 1998 Embassy Bombings
A plot to destroy the USS Sullivans
The 2000 bombing of the USS Cole

All before Jones made his prediction.
WTC 93 was helped along by the FBI, i guess the old memory can only handle so much....what about our government and the NorthWoods Operation... flying planes into building full of americans so Our government can start a WAR with CUBA...sounds like 911 to me....Or how about the PNAC plan calling for A "Pearl Harbor" event to get the people behind a war with Iraq..
Our goverment plotted these events....but i know we rather attack the messager and get nothing done for 6yrs even the Bush Regime tried and a did great job in hindering any real investigation into 9-11...im stll waiting on that Proof, Condi

Zimzum

03-13-2007, 01:54 PM

This is taken straight from the declassified Operation Northwoods report. When you want information go straight to the source, not an opinion like MrAJ. All the plans involved NOT KILLING AMERICANS, but only to give the appearance. We might have a sick and twisted military, but there not out to kill our citizens.

"b. We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere
in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident
in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result
of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presense
of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of
the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship
was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago
would add credibility especially to those people that might
have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could
follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US
fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant
crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful
wave of national indignation."

eg420ne

03-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Talk about picking n choosing zimman, you do just fine....also read operation Mongoose...and yes our government has stage bio-war on its own people look it up....Hey what about the PNAC Plan dude. Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods)

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer

The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group.[1] (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.[2][3][4][5][6] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[7][8]â??specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998.[9][10] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001.[11]

In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations of the Cuba Project, Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outlined plans) the authors believed would garner public and international support for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of "friendly Cubans"â??Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro.

The proposals included:

Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming it on Cuban forces.
Firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military baseâ??reminiscent of the USS Maine incident at Havana in 1898, which started the Spanish-American Warâ??or destroy American aircraft and blame it on Cuban forces. (The document's first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a manned ship and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using an unmanned ship and fake funerals instead.)
"Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions."
Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees:
We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

Burning crops by dropping incendiary devices in Haiti, the Dominican Republic or elsewhere.
Journalist James Bamford summarized Operation Northwoods in his April 24, 2001 book Body of Secrets thusly:

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war

Zimzum

03-13-2007, 06:09 PM

First off, don't always except Wikipida as fact. Its only as good as the people who contribute to it. You being a conspiracy person should have read about Microsoft paying people to alter data on there.

FULL PDF (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf) of operation Northwoods. Original documentation scan. The part about sinking a boat of Cubans..
a. Not American citizens
b. Its says "real or staged" making no definite choice on that matter.

Don't believe me. This document is the basest of your claims. Also note that this was never done. They had a plan but never did a followed threw, just like our plans to invade China.

Full PDF (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/621004%20Minutes%20of%20Meeting%20of%20Special.pdf ) of operation Mongoose

Few things stick out in this one.. The fact that even the Attorney General at the time does not believe the government would be able to hide such a task from the American people. And the very last line "all efforts should be made to develop new and imaginative approaches to the possibility of removing the Castro regime"

I guess for a guy who tried to park nuclear warheads off our coast he got off easy. Stop posting spin and calling it fact!

eg420ne

03-13-2007, 11:12 PM

What a surprise a website not good enuff for you.....Im sorry did you want CNN or Fox...what if i had one from CBS or MSNBC what would you do...Hey soo they talked about it, sooo what huh.Our government loves us to death..:rolleyes:

Wow chk this out from May of 2001 right B4 9-11..Interesting......and then you have PNAC to follow up on still............Oh Condi Its "Due Time"

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban Ã©migrÃ©s, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

ABC News: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662)

Zimzum

03-14-2007, 12:46 AM

Bare with me, maybe your not understanding what I am saying.

comÂ·menÂ·tarÂ·y [ kÃ³mmən tÃ¨rree ]
noun (plural comÂ·menÂ·tarÂ·ies)
Definition:
1. series of explanatory notes: a series of notes explaining or interpreting a written text
2. explanatory essay: an essay or book that explains a text
3. clarification of situation: an example illustrating a situation

fact [ fakt ] (plural facts)
noun
Definition:
1. something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened
2. truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something

ficÂ·tion [ fÃ*ksh'n ] (plural ficÂ·tions)
noun
Definition:
1. literary works of imagination: novels and stories that describe imaginary people and events
2. work of fiction: a novel, story, or other work of fiction
3. untrue statement: something that is untrue and has been made up to deceive people

theÂ·oÂ·ry [ th əree, three ] (plural theÂ·oÂ·ries)
noun
Definition:
1. rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
2. speculation: abstract thought or contemplation
3. idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture
4. hypothetical circumstances: a set of circumstances or principles that is hypothetical
5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

Ok now we got some deffinetions out of the way..

What a surprise a website not good enuff for you.....Im sorry did you want CNN or Fox...what if i had one from CBS or MSNBC what would you do...Hey soo they talked about it, sooo what huh.Our government loves us to death..

I don't care if it comes from CNN, Fox, Prisonplanet. As long as it states the facts and can backup its claims with evidence. You wouldn't want to be convicted in court based solely on theoretical evidence? What you and the others who follow this cult is just that. You expect us to convict our government based only on stuff that you yourself couldn't be tried on in court. One problem with people like Mr.AJ is that his stories are based on commentary, his perception of the truth. Just like Catholics and Christians both follow the bible, each has there own interpretations of it. This allows Mr.AJ to selectively pick between truth and fiction to make up a theory. And its not just limited to him... Bill O'rielly, Anderson Cooper, Glenn Beck are all guilty of it too.. There news is based off there believes on how something went down. Commentary = no real accountability, and thats all these stories are. Its almost like whispering in a person ear who has depression to "cut yourself". Thoughts are planted in peoples heads with very little or no evidence to real facts only opinions and opinions of opinions.

It is rare that any one story will post the truth on anything. However when you make claims that our government is plotting against its own people thats some serious claim you got there. You better be stating facts, not commentary. Most of us could care less how one person thinks it happened.

When you talk about CIA operations that are now declassified your best bet is to post the real deal hard facts. Why? Because anyone with a brain should not take such claims at there word. Go look up the actual declassified reports and READ them.. You like to bring up that they where gonna shoot down aircraft, but what you always leave out is that the aircraft was to be a drone. And 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked over and over with actual facts. Yet you choose not to pay any attention to them because it goes against your beliefs/religion.. Its not only been done by the government but also by many independent investigations, and you always come up with the same story to refute a cross examination regardless.

Some food for thought:

If fire can't melt or warp steel due to heat, then why is metal fireproofed?

You assume that the term "Pull it" means demo a building because you are told it does.. But how many demo people to you actually know and have asked? I've done some work for a company in New England that is into demolition, I know this answer, do you?

Why are there allot of anonymous sources in conspiracy stories?

Out of all the people who saw flight 77 fly by and hit the pentagon, why do theorist always choose to quote the guy that was 2+ miles away? Or the one with his back turned?

eg420ne

03-14-2007, 01:43 AM

I dont "assume" anything when someone says "pull it" & dont say Pull them or pull the firefighters out then yeah im gonna say CD because thats the term CD experts used I have been around and have talked to demolition experts on that word so its my word against yours, buddy..and dont "assume" everyones bong like.....I still have yet heard anything that proves the Governement Official THEORY. maybe with your wisdom you can point it out instead a pasting a website that takes me to pop-up land

Zimzum

03-14-2007, 02:40 AM

I'm not gonna sit here and say the government didn't dot every "I" and cross every "t". Sure mistakes where made in it, but a mistake is not an admission of guilt. Whatever I put up that refutes your conspiracy claims you just ignore. I put the actual Northwoods and Mongoose reports up. If you goto any Alex Jones site he mentions them in ways that are not true because whatever information he got about those subjects he got from the same reports I showed you. You need to put 2 + 2 together. Maybe I can't prove our government correct, but i've put more then enough up to prove conspiracy's are even more absurd. Go watch the screw loose change, what are you afraid of? While it doesn't defend the actions of our governments report it definitely shows how people who Deny 9/11 was a legitimate attack twist stuff around and take things out of context.

Our government was busy at the time looking for more high tech attacks such as nukes and WMD that it overlooked the simple. And never before have passenger aircraft been used the way they where that day and for some reason you are surprised by that? When you go up against the highest funded military in the world you need to be crafty. 15 hijackers or about that? Don't tell me there still alive and well, that myth is debunked. Anyways, 15 one way tickets is still cheaper then buying 4 ICBMs.. which is basically what they turned those planes into.

Why not stage an event that didn't kill Americans? I'm sure there's a morgue out there full of homeless people if they needed the corpses for a photo op as proof. And if its a tyranny, why not just go attack without a cause? Why make one up? Iran is screaming the Holocaust didn't happen and that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth... Who needs a false flag anything when this guy sells a future war himself? No flase flag to put combat boots on the ground in Bosnia in the 90's.

eg420ne

03-14-2007, 05:12 PM

I sure wish we'd had a proper investigation into 9-11, without, for sum odd reason hindering from the bush regime i wonder why they did that hmmmm....Ol Condi the USAma clocks ticking or is that bomb thats ticking...ZimZum i think you should write Condi and tell her that its past Due Time for that evidence..............

If The glove doesnt fit, you must acquit..im sure the bush regime can used that for them ignoring all the pre-warnings maybe they just turn their heads and let it happen, thats much more criminal then making it happen...Oh dear, Condi we've never knew they would fly planes into buildings-lol---I guess they can just put a passport on top of the WTC rubble to make look good...Oh yeah they were having on-going WarGames that day involving flying planes into building, what a Coincidence!.....Now go find them facts zimzum but whatever you do dont go looking for facts about the governments official story, just dont do it

We dont need no more falseflags they got there PNAC war on the right track

Zimzum

03-14-2007, 06:34 PM

Global guardian? Too bad that is a known about yearly activity NORAD conducted.. Wouldn't you gather as much intelligence on your enemy first to make your first strike have optimal effect? Do the attack while an exercise is being conducted and it only adds to the chance of success.

Pre 9/11 NORAD's only role was to protect American soil from foreign attacks. And after the cold war ended, took heavy budget cuts. There radar systems where only monitoring flights coming into the US. They didn't monitor domestic flights because it wasn't thought of that enemy aircraft would takeoff and land from our own soil. If the aircraft was hijacked while flying over the ocean, or Russia was sending over a fleet of bombers, then they would have had plenty of time to scramble jets to intercept. Even if NORAD somehow got a stand down order it wasn't there duty to begin with, and by the time the did locate those flight it would have been too late.. just like what happened that morning. When you talk about NORAD and 9/11 its like comparing the FCC to asteroid monitoring or the US coast guard to mountain rescue.

History of NORAD (http://www.norad.mil/about_us/history.htm)

eg420ne

03-14-2007, 08:35 PM

Zimzum

03-14-2007, 09:48 PM

I'm not saying our government is perfect or has a halo over there head, but some of these things just simply are not true. Nixon and Watergate, only a small group of people even knew about that. Less then 12? But someone got pissed off and spoke out.. Where is your modern day "Deep Throat"? 9/11 would have taken allot more people then simply bugging a hotel room, you can't keep a big secret like that for long. Even the Mafia had its rats.

Screw Loose Change EXPOSED (http://screwloosechangeexposed.blogspot.com/)

This is a fake blog. Took me some time to figure it out (until I read the user comments).. then I went to the real blog. Screw Loose Change (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) Apparently AJ had a hissy fit on his show when someone called in about the fake blog.. Again, check your facts before assuming its true.

Wednesday, March 14, 2007
The Blogger Is Always the Last To Know

Looks like I've repented my Debunker ways and have become a 9-11 Denier, according to this new blog:

It's a new day for this Brainster. For those of you who haven't heard already, James and I have decided to go separate ways. I wish him luck. We had a great run with Screw Loose Change, made a lot of waves, shook up the Internet, but, due a difference of opinion about approach, this is for the best.

I know this blog appears to be attacking my roots. Well, I guess it is, but not the mission of exposing the propaganda, but the MEANS we used. It seemed reasonable at first, all's fair in love and war, as they say. But then we lost our way, drifting from exposing "Loose Change" and it's distortions, that now even the creator's admit, to attacking any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever.

This comes as news to me; I guess the shrink was right when he said I have a split personality disorder. ;)

Actually, of course, this is exactly the same as the fake Nico Haupt blog; somebody's impersonating me for their own idiotic purposes.

A bunch of the Deniers have fallen for this gag, including Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet.

Update: We got mentioned on Alex Jones' show when a caller mentioned this post. Jones went off on a rambling talk about how he didn't want to come to the Phoenix conference but they wheedled him into it, then whined when he cancelled. Jones also claimed that we must be behind the fake blog, that this was some sort of way of getting attention. He also seemed quite depressed, which of course cheered me up to no end.

Zimzum

03-15-2007, 12:43 PM

It's sad when the biggest conspiracy poster on this site, pisshead, wont even defend his cause :( But I give eg credit atleast for sticking to it.

Zimzum

03-20-2007, 10:40 PM

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ALEX JONES? HE'S SOOOOO COOL!

I have assiduously avoided much discussion of Alex Jones, as I prefer to deal with weightier issues than the rantings of a professional conspiracy theorist, but I get e-mails every day asking me what I think of the guy...

Here's the deal with Alex Jones: he's the living embodiment of the old adage that:

"Nothing is completely wrong- even a broken clock is right, twice a day."

Yeah- I know of the guy's "cool cred"- being one of the Insane Texas Clown Posse that revolved around Bill Hicks. I've seen the video of the guy smoking weed, and his interview with Gary Busey was typically hilarious.

I started listening to the guy years back, when I spent a good deal of my waking hours listening to rapture-right christian radio. One day, I was listening to Radio Liberty, and Dr. Stan had Alex on as a guest. I started listening to online Alex Jones archives, and it was interesting, in one respect:

Time and time again:

Caller: Gee- I agree with what you're saying, Alex- we're living in a horrible situation, in this country, and I thank you for being a courageous voice for liberty.

Alex: Thank you- what's on your mind?

Caller: Alex, earlier, when you were talking about (insert issue,) you missed something very important- that...

Alex: SCREW YOU! YOU'RE A SHEEP- A MINDLESS, GUTLESS SHEEP! HOW DARE YOU? HOW DARE YOU? GET OFF MY PROGRAM! YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THE NAZIS, JANET RENO, OR THE BILDERBERG GROUP! ENJOY YOUR TRIP TO THE OVENS, YOU SHEEP! YOU'LL BURN WITH THE REST OF THEM- MARK MY WORDS!

MARK!!!! MY!!!! WORDS!!!!

We'll be right back, after this message....

This would happen at least once a program- I dunno whether this sorta on-air behavior was supposed to reflect his passion for the issues, or entertain the audience as a bit of radio theater- it was all pretty much senseless rage to me, and while he has mellowed out, in recent years- at the time, he came across as a cartoon caricature of a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

In those days , Alex was a self-admitted diehard conservative who was being "shut out" by the legendary "liberal media." He spent his on-air time talking about Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bohemian Grove, The Oklahoma City Bombing, and occasionally would prove himself to be a early soldier in the culture war, decrying the "satanic" nature of the entertainment industry- particularly video games.

Now- don't get me wrong- Alex, serving as the aforementioned broken clock, was right twice a day, and during those moments, delivered some great information that was genuinely repressed by the powers that be- and for that, he deserves props, kudos, shout-outs, what have you. The only problem is that my clock isn't broken, and once the minute hand skipped forwards, Alex was back in bullshit territory- "Moloch, Satan, Kissinger, Rockerfeller, Luciferian society, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit."

Fast-forward eight years, and Alex has turned his ham radio broadcast into a world-spanning internet media empire. But as the twig is bent, so grows the tree.

Ya see, Alex Jones remains what he always has been: A professional Conspiracy theorist- all well and good- the Weekly World News (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/)wouldn't be the media powerhouse it is, if there weren't an audience for that kinda stuff. However- the Weekly World News never claims to be a "News Source" (and neither do I- anyone who comes to me for "news" is seriously deluding themselves.)

The guy is a bullshit artist of a scope that makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a piker. He seizes on the most minor of issues, and blows them up into am indicator of a formless greater conspiracy (more on that, in a bit.) Why does he do this? Because hell- if it bleeds, it leads, and the more BS you post, the more suspicion you sow, the more shock you can spread, the more people will wanna come and get a taste.

And who can blame the denizens of Alex Jones' Prison Planet? When you go to InfoWars, you get the feeling you're entering a resistance cell- there's so much stuff to wade through, presented time and again as "the stuff big brother doesn't want you to know." Geez, dude- just going to his site officially makes you a member of the Rebel Alliance- how cool is THAT?

Well- it's not cool- on so many levels...

First off- His vast conspiratorial worldview isn't holistic, in the least. For the entirety of his career, Alex Jones has been scribbling all over the map, but has never been able to connect the dots. Veterans of the Prison Planet speak in generalities about Masonic, Satanic, and Luciferian entities that date back centuries, but they are at a loss to describe exactly what's going on in their Prison Planet beyond vague generalities richly peppered with references to "Moloch." Thus, on the Prison Planet, the fight is eternal- the enemy is everywhere, nameless, and constantly shifting identities and goals. If that isn't a recipe for endemic paranoia, I dunno what is- and that ain't healthy, folks.

Secondly, Alex claims to have "transcended" the "right/left paradigm." In the vein of folks like Neil Boortz, Glenn Beck, and other sowers of insanity, he claims to be be too enlightened to sully himself with the existing politics of the day. Such is bullplop. Alex, early on, realized that his wacky message would sell like sand in the sahara if he appealed only to the tin-hat crowd in the red states- he had to expand his appeal to gullible folks all across the political spectrum- and in doing so, set himself up as an "impartial" political figure who was beyond any partisan reproach in his pursuit of a political agenda that remains solidly rooted in bible-belt conservatism.

Lastly, and most importantly, when you weed through as much as you can of Alex's rapidly-expanding conspiratorial opus, one is immediately struck by the overt negativity of his worldview: everything, everyone, every corporation, every politician, every cultural institution, every school, every university, every contrary opinion, is the product of faceless malevolent forces that control our world, on every level. Listen- there are a lot of dangerous forces at work in this world, and we should be aware of them, but in Alex Jones' world, there isn't any hope of fighting back- the only solution he presents is to continue visiting his website, and sending his videos to all of your friends.

Now- tie the three together:

Jones presents himself as the sole dispenser of truth, as a transcendent figure. The faceless enemy is everywhere, and is defined solely by Jones. The only hope of redemption in an increasingly confusing world are the teachings of Jones.

Uhh- am I the only one here getting Jonestown vibes, here? (Pun fully intended.) Jones, whether he knows it not, has succeeded in building the first western internet-based cult:

Feel like something's wrong? Lost your job? Worried about the weather? Ever had the feeling that something just isn't right with the world? Come to the first church of Alex (a wholly-owned subsidiary of Prison Planet, LLC,) and every one of your suspicions will be reinforced, amplified, and made into gospel! Buy my videos, my DVDs, and my special commemorative hats- it's all for the cause of fighting THE MAN!!!

Now, as a member of the Church of the Subgenius, I must give props to Alex for pulling off such a stunt- it takes a lot of effort, balls, and sweat to create such an entity. However, at the same time, I must ask the residents of the Prison Planet, why spend your time with Alex, when you could be swaddled in the sweaty, frop-filled bosom of JR "Bob" Dobbs? (http://www.subgenius.com/) Alex asks that you surrender your critical thought, to follow him- "Bob" only wants a mere 30 bucks of your money, and then doesn't ever want to hear from you again...

In the end: Here's the deal:

We're facing serious issues in this world- an interspecies die-off that rivals that which heralded the death of the dinosaurs is underway, as I type. The onset of global warming will change the very shape of the world in which we live. Peak oil is a reality, and we're on the cusp of the most radical societal and technological changes that humanity has seen, since we left the steppes of africa, and the caves of europe. The future hinges upon our actions today...

History will cast a very damning eye upon those who spent these decisive years pursuing a wild goose chase founded upon the paranoid fantasies of a poorly-educated conspiracist ham radio operator cum web messiah.

We can spend our days trying to make the world better, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that nothing we do will matter, because the agents of Moloch are against us, and the only refuge is to buy more Alex Jones DVDs. We can work for peace, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that our fates, and our society, are shaped by the agents of the Bilberberg Group, and the only solution is to visit The Prison Planet more often, supplementing Alex's advertising earnings. We can work for progressive candidates and causes, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view, throw up our hands in despair, and seek refuge at the Prison Planet store, where we can buy a t-shirt or two.

We're better than this....

Breukelen advocaat

03-20-2007, 10:51 PM

Bravo!

The above posting should be a permanent sticky on the Conspiracy forum.

Zimzum

03-20-2007, 11:01 PM

Ack, forgot to link to original. Site is semi-worksafe as long as you don't run any of the animations you should be ok. Here (http://www.bushflash.com/)

eg420ne

03-21-2007, 05:15 AM

Ahh yes soo much hate for one person...wheres that hate for a criminal government...my bad youll love the government cause, WHY is that again? do y'all need a lovers-card to sign for bushes patriotact...im just kiddin...:rolleyes:

Krogith

03-21-2007, 03:42 PM

We can spend our days trying to make the world better, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that nothing we do will matter, because the agents of Moloch are against us, and the only refuge is to buy more Alex Jones DVDs. We can work for peace, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that our fates, and our society, are shaped by the agents of the Bilberberg Group, and the only solution is to visit The Prison Planet more often, supplementing Alex's advertising earnings. We can work for progressive candidates and causes, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view, throw up our hands in despair, and seek refuge at the Prison Planet store, where we can buy a t-shirt or two.

We're better than this....

I have never payed 1-cent to Alex Jones. And you have a point about him trying to make $$. On the other hand I think your Wrong in your thinking, You seriously think Mankind will fix global warming? You think The Greed of Mankind Will go Away? Have you not Read History? History tells us that the rich and powerful WILL do what ever they want, and Do Not care about the Slaves. Mankind is not going to Fix any of these problems. Mankind will never bring True Peace. So I feel Bad for you if you Honestly think Mankind can Fix the Problems We Face.

EbelEyes

03-30-2007, 04:05 AM

Fuck Alex Jones...

Psycho4Bud

03-30-2007, 12:43 PM

I have never payed 1-cent to Alex Jones. And you have a point about him trying to make $$. On the other hand I think your Wrong in your thinking, You seriously think Mankind will fix global warming?

Alex thinks global warming is a joke.....someone might take away HIS gas guzzler ya know. All about me mentallity.

You think The Greed of Mankind Will go Away?

BUY my video, t-shirts, hats, and underware for a low, low price of $19.95...not only that but we'll also enclose an official Rosie O scratch and sniff!

Have you not Read History?

History tells me that assclowns claim to fame is a short story.....so will be the case of A.J.

History tells us that the rich and powerful WILL do what ever they want, and Do Not care about the Slaves. Mankind is not going to Fix any of these problems. Mankind will never bring True Peace. So I feel Bad for you if you Honestly think Mankind can Fix the Problems We Face.

Have a good one!:s4:

VisionaryUrbanTactic

03-31-2007, 04:06 AM

It's hard to talk politics with people who don't have there life organized and planned.

It is hard for them how someone could be doing something for the betterment of the family and not just them self.

to think, that governments/people do not have a plan laid out many years in advance is stupid to say the least.

alex collects news story's you can find anywhere, but to people who can not think past there own small life, they can not see a bigger picture.

i mean, just look at the Israeli/palestine conflict and zionism.

AlwaysBlazed

03-31-2007, 03:27 PM

First off, Alex Jones is the radical side of this debate, so his radical views may not reflect all 'conspiracists' views. Personal attacks on Alex Jones will not change peoples minds. It costs alot of money to run a website and produce documentaries. I've heard him mention about how he cleans carpets too, yeah he must be making a fortune and just doing it for fun. I don't consider myself a full on 'conspiracist' because I only care about politics and not about how Bush is supposibly a devil worshipping cult follower. I'll tell you now that personal attacks against Alex just fuel us even more. What he does is gather information, whether it is credible or not, and puts it out to the public and discusses the effects it's having on the world. Theres so much government corruption, do you really want to believe "what they tell you", how can you trust them?

As for any 'evidence' that comes up false, there are still many coincidences and mysteries still unanswered.

I completely respect your opinions when I argue, I hold no personal grudges or anything. I just can't seem to shake the feeling that we are all being lied to. Giving up some liberties for freedom? Thats like saying we need to give up an ounce of weed in order to keep a pound. Then it will be 2 ounces, then 3, before you know it, you'll have a gram left. (I thought that was a good analogy, hehe).