Check this out .....info on the IRS

[GrowRebel]

This is a carry-on to what was presented in "America:From Freedom to Fasicism".

The IRS is nothing more than an extortion group .... they know they have no legal grounds to tax our income so they use extortion .... quite effectively I might add.

31 Questions and Answers about the Internal Revenue Service
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Is the Internal Revenue Service (â??IRSâ?�) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?

Answer: No. The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury. The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated â??31 U.S.C.â?� The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑310 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).

SupremeLaw (http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm)

They put in tons of links backing their statements. Check it out if you dare! :wtf: :stoned:

:noel:

[Bong30]

deductions baby......

[medicinal]

The IRS is nothing more than an extortion group .... they know they have no legal grounds to tax our income so they use extortion .... quite effectively I might add.
I realize that no-one likes paying Income tax, me included, but how are we supposed to pay for all the insanity without some form of taxation. I'm for some kind of taxation, like no-one that makes under 100K would have to pay any, but after that, pour it on, tax the hell out of the corporations and tax the rich to tears. I don't really have any solution, You might say I'm for class warfare, but there has to be an influx of money to keep the ship afloat. The problem is that it really is taxation without representation. When is the last time you voted on any government spending. If I could vote, the first order of business would be to de-fund the pentagon, no money, no war. There are you that would cut off all entitlement programs and double up on war spending, but you don't get a voice. The congressmen that we elected to be our voices are the voice of corporate America. What's good for the corporations is good for America, (and the congressional re-election coffers). I might appear to be a bit cynical, But I prefer to call it reality. The bottom line is, without some form of taxation, the country would come to a standstill.

[GrowRebel]

{Quote}Do federal income tax revenues pay for any government services and, if so, which government services are funded by federal income taxes?



Answer: No. The money trail is very difficult to follow, in this instance, because the IRS is technically a trust with a domicile in Puerto Rico. See 31 U.S.C. 1321(a)(62). As such, their records are protected by laws which guarantee the privacy of trust records within that territorial jurisdiction, provided that the trust is not also violating the Sherman Antitrust Act.



They are technically not an â??agencyâ?� of the federal government, as that term is defined in the Freedom of Information Act and in the Administrative Procedures Act. The governments of the federal territories are expressly excluded from the definition of â??agencyâ?� in those Acts of Congress. See 5 U.S.C. 551(1)(C). (See also the Answer to Question 5 above.)



All evidence indicates that they are a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq.

They appear to be laundering huge sums of money into foreign banks, mostly in Europe, and quite possibly into the Vatican. See the national policy on money laundering at 31 U.S.C. 5341.

The final report of the Grace Commission, convened under President Ronald Reagan, quietly admitted that none of the funds they collect from federal income taxes goes to pay for any federal government services. The Grace Commission found that those funds were being used to pay for interest on the federal debt, and income transfer payments to beneficiaries of entitlement programs like federal pension plans. :wtf:

So how do you feel now? Lots of backup links .... :stoned: :hippy:

:noel:

[pisshead]

yes, it's called tyranny...

the constitution says direct, unapportioned taxes are unconstitutional...and the supreme court has said that the 16th amendment gave the feds no new taxing power...

we pay a direct, unapportioned, unconstitutional income tax to an unconstitutional federal reserve that we pay interest to so we have the 'privilege' of money...

when we could just use gold and silver, interest free, as the constitution says...but then we wouldn't have inflation or tyranny...

our system of government has been hijacked completely...and people think what they see as the result of the tyranny is actually freedom...when it's an emerging dictatorship...

[Oneironaut]

Umm, all taxes are a form of extortion! No matter what country you live in, the state will say "hey, give us money or we'll kidnap you and keep you in a cage", so you pay them to stay out of the cage. That's the definition of a "tax". I certainly didn't agree to this deal between me and the state; the state decided it for me. The state is taking my money without my permission and using threats to do it. Taxes are a form of stealing, for sure, but it's legal because the group that decides what's legal and illegal is the one doing the stealing.

Essentially, it doesn't matter what pieces of paper say about the legitimacy of the IRS. It matters what the people with the weapons and the cages are threatening to do to you if you don't cave into their demands. If the state says it's legal and acts like it's legal, it's legal.

[Bong30]

you guys suck.....you just hate America. Learn it know it live it...( you allready live it)

My tax rate last year was under 1% Man that sucks.....

[medicinal]

My tax rate last year was under 1% Man that sucks..... You need to get a real job, that McDonalds paycheck doesn't go very far!~LOL~

[Guerrero]

Check out Neil Boortz and John Linder's Book about the fair tax. It would be a consumption tax that only taxes purchases and not income. It even provides for the poor and middle class by giving money every month for people to cover the basic necessities. A lot of people dismiss it off-hand as a flat tax or unfair to the poor who pay little or no income tax, but it is indeed fair and would do-away with the IRS. Neil Boortz is a Libertarian radio talk-show host and is wrong about many things, but this one is right on. Anything to 69 the IRS is a good thing, but it will not happen without the support of the people because the government is too invested in the status quo to take it seriously.