GTA info here !!!

[slipknotpsycho]

bluntblaze! have youa dded me on psn yet?

[bluntblaze]

ill do it now

[bluntblaze]

ive sent the thing... is your name spelt the exact same way as one here (no capitals or anything)

[slipknotpsycho]

yeah

[bluntblaze]

:The demo which was shown is from the Xbox 360 version of the game. The PlayStation 3 version is still "a week or two behind," according to Rockstar.

:The build shown is 5 weeks old, and the framerate has improved considerably since the last demo.

:At Star Junction (the GTA IV equivalent of Times Square) there is a theatre show on called T.S Pirate at the Thespian Theatre, and a camera store called Liberty Cameras. On the way to Rotterdam (where Little Jacob is situated) they passed a cocktail bar called "Bahama Mamas."

:Little Jacob is a Jamaican gun dealer from Dukes (the GTA IV equivalent of Queens.) The weapons on offer were $100 a piece.

:The name of each street is displayed at the bottom right of the screen as you enter it. During the demo, Niko passed through the following areas: Presidents City, Chinatown, Lancet, Hatton Gardens, Middle Park East, Lancaster, Ruby Street, Cod Row, Denver Avenue, Exeter Avenue, Northwood, East Holland, Silicon Street, Quartz Street, The Triangle, Easton, Diamond Street and Calcium Street.

:After hailing a taxi, you need to press Y to get in one, although the controls haven't been finalised. You have the option of sitting back and enjoying the ride, using the "trip-skip" option, or paying double the fare to make the driver go twice as fast. Inside the taxi, you can see and talk through to the driver in the front. The camera view changes every 5 seconds - read descriptions of the different camera views here.

:The TW@ Café is located in Algonquin, north of Middle Park (Central Park.) Niko submits a fake résumé/cv to the Goldberg, Ligner & Shyster website, at McReary's request. For the interview he must to goto 44 Emerty Street, The Exchange, Algonquin (visit Kikizo to see dialogue from this mission.)

:There is a yellow light cone representing an objective, which triggers a cutscene when you walk into it.

:Francis McReary wears a black suit and tie, has a moustache and slicked blonde hair with a strong side parting. (dialogue of the conversation with McReary can be found here.) The person who blackmails McReary is at Union Drive East. McReary texts Niko the phone number of the blackmailer, so that he can phone it and identify who is the target. The name of the cell network is "Whiz." A black comet is used for this mission.

:The default camera angle is slightly over to the drivers' side. Different angles are available however. You can move the camera aswell, but if you're not touching it, it will remain at the more central position leaning towards the drivers' side.

:Currently, the total number of wanted stars is 6 - the same as it was in previous Grand Theft Auto games.

:There is a GPS system in the car, and the recommended route shows up in yellow on the radar at the bottom left of the screen.

:You can auto-target as well as manual aim. Niko can take cover behind just about anything, and so can the cops.

:It also revealed that Goldberg's (the shady lawyer) first name is Tom.

[slipknotpsycho]

:You can auto-target as well as manual aim. Niko can take cover behind just about anything, and so can the cops.

looks like carrying grenades at all times is going to become a must...

[bluntblaze]

one thing im wondering about is why ps3 is a few weeks behind?

it could be maybe ps3 has more smaller details (better graphics ect)or 360 is easier to develope on.

(btw dont let this post turn this thread into a fanboy fuckfest)

[KingsBlend420]

I'm so excited, i wonder if the shooting gameplay is going to be kind of like gears of war and rainbow six where you have to take cover all the time. That would be cool if they had a duck and cover system like gears.

[bluntblaze]

I'm so excited, i wonder if the shooting gameplay is going to be kind of like gears of war and rainbow six where you have to take cover all the time. That would be cool if they had a duck and cover system like gears.

yeh that would be pretty sweet if the duck and cover was something similar to gears of war

1000th post yay!

[ZeldaG.]

1000th post yay!

Congratulations ;)

lol yeah i aint too worried about the camera, cos its going to be default and rockstar will probably be kind enough to let us change it :D

so if it sucks i can do so :P


lol, that bit about ps3 got me too, hopefully it means, ''we were working on xbox verison this week and will work on ps3 vesion the next few weeks'' :P lol

[bluntblaze]

Congratulations ;)

lol yeah i aint too worried about the camera, cos its going to be default and rockstar will probably be kind enough to let us change it :D

so if it sucks i can do so :P


lol, that bit about ps3 got me too, hopefully it means, ''we were working on xbox verison this week and will work on ps3 vesion the next few weeks'' :P lol

cheers.

and i think its something to do with what they were saying about the 360 being more difficult to develop on.. so there keeping it ahead just incase they encounter any problems.

[Melkane]

GTA IV DELAYED 4-6 MONTHS

From gta4.net


Take-Two is reducing its fiscal 2007 guidance primarily to reflect the movement of the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system and the Xbox 360â?¢ video game and entertainment system from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2007 to fiscal 2008, due to additional development time required to complete the title. The title is now planned for release in the Companyâ??s second quarter of fiscal 2008.

Strauss Zelnick, Chairman of Take-Two, stated, â??With Grand Theft Auto IV, Rockstar is setting a new standard for next generation video games. Certain elements of development proved to be more time-intensive than expected, especially given the commitment for a simultaneous release on two very different platforms. We all recognize that perfecting the game is vital and I can assure everyone it will be worth the wait. We owe it to the gameâ??s millions of fans, to our dedicated development team, and to our shareholders to make sure that Grand Theft Auto IV is a groundbreaking gaming experience that takes maximum advantage of next generation technology.â?�

Sam Houser, Founder and Executive Producer of Rockstar Games, added, "The new consoles are allowing us to create the Grand Theft Auto game we always dreamed about. Every aspect of the game and its design has been completely transformed. The game is huge and is pushing the hardware platforms to their absolute limits. The top engineers from Sony and Microsoft are working closely with the team in Edinburgh right now, helping us to fully leverage the power of both platforms. As always, our goal is to surpass even the wildest expectations of the gameâ??s fans, and to create the ultimate high definition video game experience."

[KingsBlend420]

So pissed. We still have bioshock, halo 3, and Assasin's Creed to look forward too.

[cannabisis4for20]

GTA IV DELAYED 4-6 MONTHS

From gta4.net

omfg WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

This is some serious bullshit.

[Melkane]

Oh I know, it was THE game for the rest of the year that I was actually giddy for. Yeah there's Halo 3 and Mass Effect which are interesting but GTA IV was the game I couldn't stand waiting for and now we have half a year to wait again if not longer. I'm beyond disappointed. Well I'll just worry about pre-ordering Mass Effect now though and paying off Halo 3.

[slipknotpsycho]

GTA IV DELAYED 4-6 MONTHS

From gta4.net

YOU HAVE BETTER FUCKING BE SHITTING ME..... I'M ABOUT TO GET SERIOUSLY PISSED......

I GODDAMNED PRE-ORDERED IT! how much you wanna bet gamecrazy is gonna try to screw me outta my money .

[onequestion]

1up just sent me an email. GTA4 delayed.

Why god why!!!!!!!!

[cannabisis4for20]

IT'S A SIGN, NEXT COMES LOCUSTS!

[slipknotpsycho]

man fuck this... i'm fucking pissed...

this had better be the best game ever if they're delaying 4-6 goddamn months for development...

[cannabisis4for20]

Hey rockstar, here's an idea, manage your time better so you can actually get your fucking game out to the release date instead of sticking your finger up your ass and just using the release date as hype.

[slipknotpsycho]

GTA4 DELAYED TILL APRIL 2008!! - Grand Theft Auto Series - PlayStation.com Forums (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=302411&view=by_date_ascending&page=1)

post that there.... it's highly unlikely they'll see it here... but almost every game designer watches that forum... infact, alot moderate their section....

like, killzone and guirella games.

[cannabisis4for20]

GTA4 DELAYED TILL APRIL 2008!! - Grand Theft Auto Series - PlayStation.com Forums (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=302411&view=by_date_ascending&page=1)

post that there.... it's highly unlikely they'll see it here... but almost every game designer watches that forum... infact, alot moderate their section....

like, killzone and guirella games.

do I have to sign up for a membership?

[slipknotpsycho]

yeah... i'm not promising they'll read it lol... but you do stand a better chance of having them hear a peice of your mind there then here....

but the forums are also for everything else playstation (they are the playstation forums after all... )

[cannabisis4for20]

I gotcha. Yeah I know they're not trolling weed boards to see what people think but idk, if I wanna do all that work. but thanks for the link.

[MisterGreen]

damn that sucks. i guess it's good though because it'll give me the chance to get 360 for christmas and then use birthday money from march in april to get gta 4.

[slipknotpsycho]

UK Rebellion.com: Xbox 360 problems delay GTA IV. Microsoft bans Playstation 3 release. (http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-360-problems-delay-gta-iv.html)

if i find out this is true... i'm no longer going to be tollerant of xbox and it's people...

damnit.... all the gta's so far, never one delay... then with SA xbox people started pushing for a port, and now the next one is decided to be on that system... and NOW there's a huge delay..

:mad: FUCKING MICROSOFT! DIE!

[Melkane]

If that reason is true, then good planning Microsoft. That's just smart business. And frankly I'd be annoyed if Sony got it first yet again and when we finally got it have to put up with Sony fanboys screaming (OLD!).

[cannabisis4for20]

UK Rebellion.com: Xbox 360 problems delay GTA IV. Microsoft bans Playstation 3 release. (http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-360-problems-delay-gta-iv.html)

if i find out this is true... i'm no longer going to be tollerant of xbox and it's people...

damnit.... all the gta's so far, never one delay... then with SA xbox people started pushing for a port, and now the next one is decided to be on that system... and NOW there's a huge delay..

:mad: FUCKING MICROSOFT! DIE!

that's gay as hell, I hate ps3 but I'd rather get it early and be able to play on a friends ps3 then wait for it.

[JeKo]

UK Rebellion.com: Xbox 360 problems delay GTA IV. Microsoft bans Playstation 3 release. (http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-360-problems-delay-gta-iv.html)

if i find out this is true... i'm no longer going to be tollerant of xbox and it's people...

damnit.... all the gta's so far, never one delay... then with SA xbox people started pushing for a port, and now the next one is decided to be on that system... and NOW there's a huge delay..

:mad: FUCKING MICROSOFT! DIE!

That's defiantly not true, this guy is just pulling it from his ass. The xbox version is actually ahead of the PS one.

[Melkane]

Look at the positive, this will give the play testers even more time to find and correct even more glitches and maybe even implement an idea or two they may have thought they didn't have time for.

A delay while so fucking annoying can be a great thing as far as game quality goes. It may be selfish of me, but I have to agree with MS's decision and feel that if I can't get GTAIV in October, then no one should be able to.

[MisterGreen]

Look at the positive, this will give the play testers even more time to find and correct even more glitches and maybe even implement an idea or two they may have thought they didn't have time for.

A delay while so fucking annoying can be a great thing as far as game quality goes. It may be selfish of me, but I have to agree with MS's decision and feel that if I can't get GTAIV in October, then no one should be able to.

i agree with you because even though we're waiting longer it'll be just that much better.

[slipknotpsycho]

That's defiantly not true, this guy is just pulling it from his ass. The xbox version is actually ahead of the PS one.

link or bs.

and fuck that.... if xbox people weren't whining for it, yal wouldn't get it late...

until GTAIV, it was a PS EXCLUSIVE (except for pc port)

now i gotta wait another half a year because everyone's to cheap to buy a ps3?

i'm pissed... one way or another... but i want to make sure to direct my anger in the right direction... like i said, if i find out it's true... ti's not the first tiem i've heard it...

btw, "one thing im wondering about is why ps3 is a few weeks behind?" could EASILY mean that they don't need to work on it as much... they haven't failed yet at putting it out on time... it's a bit of acoincidence when xbox gets it suddenly there's a half year delay....

also factoring in 360 is running at near full capacity (look it up yourself, i'm done arguing over it i've seen the facts) while ps3 is using far less then half it's power...

[Melkane]

The older 2D GTA games started on the PS but were ported over to other systems, so they weren't exclusive. And Well III, VC and SA were TIMED exclusives and were released on the Xbox later down the road. Hell before Sony dealt with Rockstar on that issue GTAIII was originally planned for the Dreamcast. The reason it was a timed exclusive was because SONY had a contract with Rockstar to keep it exclusive for such a time frame, otherwise it would have went to Xbox and PC sooner than it did, bank on it.

This time before Sony could get their little greedy contract claws into Rockstar again, MS stepped up and made a deal with Rockstar to not only get GTAIV the same time as Sony but to have 2 Exclusive Episodes of their very own.

You get all pissed off because MS made a deal with Rockstar even though Sony did same thing last generation. It's a bit of a double standard.

[slipknotpsycho]

no actually... unti li'm told otherwise MS is the reason i'm having to wait another half a year when i've been waiting so long already.... and i've got every right to bitch and complain actually... cuz if it was opposite... if it was ready for 360 but ps3 was holding it up there'd be people bitching about us.

and if yal get extra content what's the big fucking deal anyways... we get it first, you get extra shit.... EVEN.

[JeKo]

link or bs.

and fuck that.... if xbox people weren't whining for it, yal wouldn't get it late...

until GTAIV, it was a PS EXCLUSIVE (except for pc port)

now i gotta wait another half a year because everyone's to cheap to buy a ps3?

i'm pissed... one way or another... but i want to make sure to direct my anger in the right direction... like i said, if i find out it's true... ti's not the first tiem i've heard it...

btw, "one thing im wondering about is why ps3 is a few weeks behind?" could EASILY mean that they don't need to work on it as much... they haven't failed yet at putting it out on time... it's a bit of acoincidence when xbox gets it suddenly there's a half year delay....

also factoring in 360 is running at near full capacity (look it up yourself, i'm done arguing over it i've seen the facts) while ps3 is using far less then half it's power...

All you have to do is look at his other articles, hes just out to get xbox. He doesn't link any source, hes just spewing it out.

you can't just believe everything you read, this guy doesn't even look like a credible source at all. How would Microsoft even ban the Playstation release? It just doesn't make sense, the reality is that they probably just underestimated the work that needed to be done and it got delayed like more than half of all games released.

[slipknotpsycho]

All you have to do is look at his other articles, hes just out to get xbox. He doesn't link any source, hes just spewing it out.

you can't just believe everything you read, this guy doesn't even look like a credible source at all. How would Microsoft even ban the Playstation release? It just doesn't make sense, the reality is that they probably just underestimated the work that needed to be done and it got delayed like more than half of all games released.

do you really have any idea how the legal relationship works between console producers, and game developers? there is always a legal agreement...

and it's very plausible microsoft got a legal agreement that ps3 woudln't be released when 360 wasn't ready yet...



anyways, i'm pissed overall at the delay... like i said IF i find out it's true... then that anger will be target at xbox.... i've already read take two's offical statement, but it didn't really say ANYTHING.... it wouldn't confirm or deny the rumor one console is holding the other, and they wouldn't even state what 'challenges' (they said specificly there is no problem, only a challenge :wtf: well wtf, sounds like a problem to me.....) they are facing that pushed the release date back..

you should probably ignore alot fo what i say atm... i'm talking through speculation.... whether it's 360's fault or not i can't know as of right now... but reguardless of fault, i'm still highly pissed.... it's just a matter of who that anger needs to be directed at....

[BabySnookums]

do you really have any idea how the legal relationship works between console producers, and game developers? there is always a legal agreement...

and it's very plausible microsoft got a legal agreement that ps3 woudln't be released when 360 wasn't ready yet...



anyways, i'm pissed overall at the delay... like i said IF i find out it's true... then that anger will be target at xbox.... i've already read take two's offical statement, but it didn't really say ANYTHING.... it wouldn't confirm or deny the rumor one console is holding the other, and they wouldn't even state what 'challenges' (they said specificly there is no problem, only a challenge :wtf: well wtf, sounds like a problem to me.....) they are facing that pushed the release date back..

you should probably ignore alot fo what i say atm... i'm talking through speculation.... whether it's 360's fault or not i can't know as of right now... but reguardless of fault, i'm still highly pissed.... it's just a matter of who that anger needs to be directed at....

its not true....

Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay (http://games.kikizo.com/news/200706/004.asp?f=004.asp)
Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay
Two of of the biggest games due in 2007 are Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV. As luck would have it, they're coming out within a couple weeks of one another - despite what you may have heard to the contrary.
Rumours prompted by an analyst note had it that Rockstar could delay Grand Theft Auto IV until November, but the company has come out today to deny the claims.

We contacted the company for comment and were told that the game is on track for release in "late October".

Grand Theft Auto fans have had October circled as the date for the arrival of the first Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 instalment since last year. Microsoft surprised many people by revealing in May that Halo 3 would be out in late September. According to one analyst, that could be a problem.

In a note to investors, relayed in part by GameDaily, analyst Michael Pachter speculated that troubled Rockstar parent company Take 2 could push back the release of Grand Theft Auto IV into its next financial year, which begins in November.

"We believe that a two-week delay would provide a reasonable gap between the launch of Halo 3 and the launch of GTA IV, and would actually help sales of both games," he wrote.
Rockstar's comments will come as sweet relief to GTA fans anxious to play the first game in the series for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

According to previously confirmed dates, Grand Theft Auto IV will be out in the US on 16 October and in Europe on 19 October. For more on the game, head to our Grand Theft Auto IV coverage homepage.




'sides, even if it WAS true, the moron at the game place said you could get your money back

[BabySnookums]

its not true....

Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay (http://games.kikizo.com/news/200706/004.asp?f=004.asp)
Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay
Two of of the biggest games due in 2007 are Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV. As luck would have it, they're coming out within a couple weeks of one another - despite what you may have heard to the contrary.
Rumours prompted by an analyst note had it that Rockstar could delay Grand Theft Auto IV until November, but the company has come out today to deny the claims.

We contacted the company for comment and were told that the game is on track for release in "late October".

Grand Theft Auto fans have had October circled as the date for the arrival of the first Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 instalment since last year. Microsoft surprised many people by revealing in May that Halo 3 would be out in late September. According to one analyst, that could be a problem.

In a note to investors, relayed in part by GameDaily, analyst Michael Pachter speculated that troubled Rockstar parent company Take 2 could push back the release of Grand Theft Auto IV into its next financial year, which begins in November.

"We believe that a two-week delay would provide a reasonable gap between the launch of Halo 3 and the launch of GTA IV, and would actually help sales of both games," he wrote.
Rockstar's comments will come as sweet relief to GTA fans anxious to play the first game in the series for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

According to previously confirmed dates, Grand Theft Auto IV will be out in the US on 16 October and in Europe on 19 October. For more on the game, head to our Grand Theft Auto IV coverage homepage.




'sides, even if it WAS true, the moron at the game place said you could get your money back

ignore everything in this post :mad: just looked at other sites that confirm the setback...then went back to my "source" and realized it wasn't a recent one...gdit...ok i reaaaaaaaaally think you should go get your money back from 'em. :mad: :mad:

[Reefer Rogue]

Excellence shall arive with patience.

[bluntblaze]

fucking hell, i hope everyone that bought a 360 is happy with the retards who made your console that isnt capable of jackshit.

[MadSativa]

360 not as good as PS3

[Melkane]

fucking hell, i hope everyone that bought a 360 is happy with the retards who made your console that isnt capable of jackshit.

How does this have ANYTHING to do with 360 Developers? Zero.

Hell considering how likely fake that UK blog article is, technically we have no clue what the reasons were that caused the delay. Seriously it doesn't make sense. All the articles before have stated that PS3 Version was behind in production by a few weeks over the 360 version. All the trailers shown have been from the 360 version. I find it highly doubtful the 360 version is to blame.

As far as you know it could very well be the PS3 version that's causing the delay. It may not even be any consoles, I find it funny that the delay was moved to a different "fiscal" year which makes me wonder if the delay was on Rockstar for financial reasons. I mean look at all the great games being released this fall anyways. GTAIV will sell MUCH better if it comes out during a dry spell. This could be a Rockstar ploy to increase sales.

I was pissed when I first heard the news as I have a preorder on it and it was the only game I was giddy for this fall. But regardless whos to blame for the delay this will give more time for testing and any additions they may want to add. So all in all it's a bummer now, but potentially great thing in the long run. I'd rather wait a few extra months and have a more polished game than get it October and have some stupid ass glitch like the Xbox Vice City Pedestrian Glitch or something like that.

[bluntblaze]

i looked on the gta forums to try and find a few reasons why its been delayed and found a few possible things.

1: UK Rebellion.com: Xbox 360 problems delay GTA IV. Microsoft bans Playstation 3 release. (http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-360-problems-delay-gta-iv.html)



2: IGN: Grand Theft Auto IV Delayed (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/810/810239p1.html)



3: this one doesnt really say much. Rockstar Games: Grand Theft Auto IV Delayed To 2008 - Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rockstar-games/grand-theft-auto-iv-delayed-to-2008-285475.php)

[bluntblaze]

How does this have ANYTHING to do with 360 Developers? Zero.

Hell considering how likely fake that UK blog article is, technically we have no clue what the reasons were that caused the delay. Seriously it doesn't make sense. All the articles before have stated that PS3 Version was behind in production by a few weeks over the 360 version. All the trailers shown have been from the 360 version. I find it highly doubtful the 360 version is to blame.

As far as you know it could very well be the PS3 version that's causing the delay. It may not even be any consoles, I find it funny that the delay was moved to a different "fiscal" year which makes me wonder if the delay was on Rockstar for financial reasons. I mean look at all the great games being released this fall anyways. GTAIV will sell MUCH better if it comes out during a dry spell. This could be a Rockstar ploy to increase sales.

I was pissed when I first heard the news as I have a preorder on it and it was the only game I was giddy for this fall. But regardless whos to blame for the delay this will give more time for testing and any additions they may want to add. So all in all it's a bummer now, but potentially great thing in the long run. I'd rather wait a few extra months and have a more polished game than get it October and have some stupid ass glitch like the Xbox Vice City Pedestrian Glitch or something like that.i know.. id just found out about the delay and was VERY pissed.

i did read somewhere that it could be the ps3.... two sony guy went to rockstar not too long ago and showed them that differant parts in the console they could use to make the game even better.
which if you ask me sounds like a more logical explanation... because it doesn't take six months to polish a game.

either way and for whatever reason the games not coming almost another year. so if it was because of sony im still pissed even if the game is better.

and another thing.... the game better be FUCKING PERFECT.

[MisterGreen]

oh wait nevermind. well now all we have to look forward to is some more trailers and gameplay video lol.

[slipknotpsycho]

its not true....

Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay (http://games.kikizo.com/news/200706/004.asp?f=004.asp)
Rockstar Dismisses Talk of GTA IV Delay
Two of of the biggest games due in 2007 are Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV. As luck would have it, they're coming out within a couple weeks of one another - despite what you may have heard to the contrary.
Rumours prompted by an analyst note had it that Rockstar could delay Grand Theft Auto IV until November, but the company has come out today to deny the claims.

We contacted the company for comment and were told that the game is on track for release in "late October".

Grand Theft Auto fans have had October circled as the date for the arrival of the first Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 instalment since last year. Microsoft surprised many people by revealing in May that Halo 3 would be out in late September. According to one analyst, that could be a problem.

In a note to investors, relayed in part by GameDaily, analyst Michael Pachter speculated that troubled Rockstar parent company Take 2 could push back the release of Grand Theft Auto IV into its next financial year, which begins in November.

"We believe that a two-week delay would provide a reasonable gap between the launch of Halo 3 and the launch of GTA IV, and would actually help sales of both games," he wrote.
Rockstar's comments will come as sweet relief to GTA fans anxious to play the first game in the series for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

According to previously confirmed dates, Grand Theft Auto IV will be out in the US on 16 October and in Europe on 19 October. For more on the game, head to our Grand Theft Auto IV coverage homepage.




'sides, even if it WAS true, the moron at the game place said you could get your money back

lol? i already know the delay is true.... what i meant when i said 'if i find out this is true' was "if i find out it's the 360's fault for the delay"

[slipknotpsycho]

i'm still fucking pissed about it :mad: and i won't get over it... i bought my ps3 majorly to get GTAIV (when SA came out i had to go buy a ps2 as well...) and it was like 2 months away! 2 fucking months! then they go and change the release date now it's like 8 months a-fucking-way! goddamnit... that means i'll of been waiting for this game for over a year by the time i get it... the thing that pisses me off more is the fact that this is the only game i have ever cared about to this extent... any other game i can wait til it comes out and i don't get mad when it gets pushed back....

and melkane... like i said earlier, just becuase the ps3 version is behind doesn't mean (if a console was responsible) that it's the reason for the delay.. it could very well easily mean the 360 is still the reason for the delay, and they're having a hard time working with the 360... so they have to concentrate on it more therefore, putting the ps3 on the back burners for the time being.

i also think rockstar should fucking tell us plainly and clearly what the cause of the delay is.... they're being so evasive and it's causing alot of uproar, especially between 360 and ps3 owners... everyone's blaming the other (for the most part) i believe we have a right to know what's going on in full detail

[Melkane]

See no one truly knows...


PlayStation 3 responsible for GTA IV delay, surmises Pachter - Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/03/playstation-3-responsible-for-gta-iv-delay-surmises-pachter/)


First up to bat is video game analyst extraordinaire, Michael Pachter who told our pals at GameDaily BIZ, "We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognize how far away from completion the game truly was until recently." Of course, he means really recently, since Take-Two did just reaffirm their plans to ship the game in October as recently as E3 (yeah, the one last month).

We know what you're thinking: Why not release the game for Xbox 360 in ought seven, and ship the PS3 release whenever it's ready (everyone else seems to be taking this course of action)? Pachter further surmises "that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favor competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version," calling it "the only plausible explanation."

[slipknotpsycho]

See no one truly knows...


PlayStation 3 responsible for GTA IV delay, surmises Pachter - Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/03/playstation-3-responsible-for-gta-iv-delay-surmises-pachter/)

that's the exact same (but opposite) thing i read on the playstation forums....

anyways i feel the need to keep reiterating what i said... regaurdless i'm pissed... i'm only going to 'take it out on 360' so to speak if rockstar or take two flat out say, on their offical site it's 360/microsoft's fault.

last night i was more pissed tho... o.0 so if it seemed i full heartedly believed what i posted, i didn't... infact i did say if i find out this is true ...

[Melkane]

Sony: GTA IV Wonâ??t "Make or Break" PS3 : Next Generation - Interactive Entertainment Today, Video Game and Industry News (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6691&Itemid=2)

Actually looking at the fall lineup for PS3, the big game they were relying on was GTAIV. They have no giant release this fall, so this is a huge hit to them, despite their PR. Meanwhile 360 still has a list of big name titles to fall back on.

[bluntblaze]

i wanna know wtf is going on.. i mean come on!! the game was almost finished.

tbh i dont care if any console is responsible.. either way its still gonna be delayed.

2 FUCKING MONTHS AWAY NOW THIS BULLSHIT,,. COME ON ROCKSTAR ... GOD DAMN !!!! .
excuse my french but im soooo fucking pissed off.

next fucking year!?!?! aaaahhhggggrrrrr

[slipknotpsycho]

Sony: GTA IV Wonâ??t "Make or Break" PS3 : Next Generation - Interactive Entertainment Today, Video Game and Industry News (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6691&Itemid=2)

Actually looking at the fall lineup for PS3, the big game they were relying on was GTAIV. They have no giant release this fall, so this is a huge hit to them, despite their PR. Meanwhile 360 still has a list of big name titles to fall back on.

i won't even try to deny that.... alot of titles on ps3 this year aren't 'great' (there are a couple good ones tho.... heavenly sword, ninja gaiden sigma is ok... haze will be fucking great tho)

most the good games that are going to make ps3 will be out by mid 2008... there are alot of great games coming out by then (most coming out in january-march 2008)

[MisterGreen]

damn i think we all need to sit down for a second and smoke a bowl or 2 or 3 or a bunch so we can chill out lol. i'm not happy about it either but there's nothing we can do so we'll all just have to be patient.

[bluntblaze]

damn i think we all need to sit down for a second and smoke a bowl or 2 or 3 or a bunch so we can chill out lol. i'm not happy about it either but there's nothing we can do so we'll all just have to be patient.

i wish i could smoke a bowl rite now. i really do.:(

[cannabisis4for20]

Yeah, It doesn't really matter why the hell it's delayed the point is,IT'S BEEN DELAYED

It's not a bittersweet situation either, it's not like Rockstar is adding better and/or more features. They just have to finish what they already promised us. This never would have happened if who ever is responsible had their shit together.

[bluntblaze]

yeh... it doesn't take that long to polish a game.. so they mustve encountered a pretty big problem. even if they have i dont care.. it better not have any gliches even in the slightest.

[slipknotpsycho]

yeh... it doesn't take that long to polish a game.. so they mustve encountered a pretty big problem.

nope! read the articles.... they have no problems.... THEY HAVE CHALLENGES! :wtf: (if you can't tell the sarcasm dripping from this post, slap yourself please)

[cannabisis4for20]

yeh... it doesn't take that long to polish a game.. so they mustve encountered a pretty big problem. even if they have i dont care.. it better not have any gliches even in the slightest.

Word. I don't wanna be running through every fucking wall possible again. This better be top notch.

[slipknotpsycho]

Year two of the console wars goes to...

Microsoft's XBOX 360! BOOYAH! ;)

Nah but seriously, PS3 sucks. :jointsmile:

still dunno how you get that when about 33% of all 360's (including the elite model) fail, and less than 1% of ps3's or wii's have critical failures.... not to mention it's been shown the ps3 holds more power then 360....

[Melkane]

still dunno how you get that when about 33% of all 360's (including the elite model) fail, and less than 1% of ps3's or wii's have critical failures.... not to mention it's been shown the ps3 holds more power then 360....

It's because Sony products and dealings with them also come with a undisclosed broom handle and jar of vasoline. I've been on the end of that shtick before and don't plan on it again. Microsoft has put everything face up on the table and they are fixing their problems, unlike Sonys denial with their high % breakdowns of early model PS2s. New 360s will not have 30% breakdown probability and if yours is an older one and does breaks down you can send it in and get it repaired for free for the next 3 years.

Again nothing the PS3 has shown has been only marginally better than the 360 and of course not even extra disc space can suddenly make the game good. Look at the response Lair is getting, that game is a steaming pile lol.

[slipknotpsycho]

li ke i said in the other thread i agree with you on lair... it had high hopes but now alot of people are starting to lose faith in it....

but that's not because of ps3, that's because of the devs, just like the 360 didn't make gears of war great, the devs did..

anyone who holds games against a system obviously doesn't belong in the debate (and i'm not refering to you) as the game is only as good as the dev makes it.

and also like i said, i never personaly had any problem with the ps2's and i've owned three now, none from them breaking down tho :p but i don't say that and mean it's impossible....

personally th eonly reason i feel microsoft finally decided to admit to it was because if they kept denying it, it WOULD have been the end of their gaming cut.... i remember watching th enews and hearing the stories when the 360's first released right before christmas... the day they had mass returns microsoft said basicly you're all shit out of luck.... the next day they issued a new statement saying they would take care of the problem...

if you look hard enough you can find it, i garuntee what i say tho, and it did happen, the statement was just retracted pretty quick because of all the negative attention they were getting

i still see it this way tho... if i'm spending hundreds on a system i expect it to work... i don't want to have to send it off to have it fixed, free or not, i want to be able to play it until it's been worn down from years of use or a newer system comes out...

xbox's also have a wide range of errors and shit.. my brother and nearly everyone of my friends had problems with the original ones too...

to me, that's more than enough to make me not go for it... some of the games on xbox are great, but the games aren't great enough to make me go deal with a shotty system.... you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting your system and having to part with it for atleast two weeks for microsoft to fix a problem thta shouldn't have been there in the first place...

it's also true that it's expected of any mass produced item to hav eproblems... but 33% is too high for me.... much too high..

[bluntblaze]

It's because Sony products and dealings with them also come with a undisclosed broom handle and jar of vasoline. I've been on the end of that shtick before and don't plan on it again. Microsoft has put everything face up on the table and they are fixing their problems, unlike Sonys denial with their high % breakdowns of early model PS2s. New 360s will not have 30% breakdown probability and if yours is an older one and does breaks down you can send it in and get it repaired for free for the next 3 years.

Again nothing the PS3 has shown has been only marginally better than the 360 and of course not even extra disc space can suddenly make the game good. Look at the response Lair is getting, that game is a steaming pile lol.

dude wtf... sony let u down by ur ps2 buggering up.. 360s are doing the same and ur happy? fair enough you can get it repaired for free but theyve still let u down.

ps. i know this is out of topic but can 360s browse the internet?

[Melkane]

dude wtf... sony let u down by ur ps2 buggering up.. 360s are doing the same and ur happy? fair enough you can get it repaired for free but theyve still let u down.

ps. i know this is out of topic but can 360s browse the internet?


This isn't the topic for this but, it was not one but 3 PS2s that were "buggering up" and it was Sony's attitude about it and it was other broken promises they made last gen. It was more than simply bad hardware.

Microsoft came out fairly quickly (compared to Sony) not only that they are going out of their way to remedy the situation. You can't expect them to recall 10 Million 360s for replacement or fixing. I think their way of handling the situation is very good.

Oh and seeing as how many Sony fanboys have pretended there never was a problem with the PS2 and even so much as called those of us that did liars or console mistreaters just because they themselves never actually experienced an issue with the PS2. You know things like "I've had my PS2 since 1745 BC and it's never given me any problems so you must be doing something" So since my 360 is still running why should I get all bitter at MS?

[slipknotpsycho]

This isn't the topic for this but, it was not one but 3 PS2s that were "buggering up" and it was Sony's attitude about it and it was other broken promises they made last gen. It was more than simply bad hardware.

Microsoft came out fairly quickly (compared to Sony) not only that they are going out of their way to remedy the situation. You can't expect them to recall 10 Million 360s for replacement or fixing. I think their way of handling the situation is very good.

Oh and seeing as how many Sony fanboys have pretended there never was a problem with the PS2 and even so much as called those of us that did liars or console mistreaters just because they themselves never actually experienced an issue with the PS2. You know things like "I've had my PS2 since 1745 BC and it's never given me any problems so you must be doing something" So since my 360 is still running why should I get all bitter at MS?


i never said you mistreat it just becuase mine didn't break... anything can break, anything can be defective... but me personally i have owned 3 ps2's and never any problem... my brother took the first one after i got locked up, i sold the next one cuz at the time all we were doing was partying and i only had one game for it anyways so it didn't really get messed with, then when gta:sa came out i got the new slim model ps2... still have it sitting up in the attic.

[slipknotpsycho]

Doesn't matter. Year two of console wars goes to... Microsoft!

Better luck next year Sony.

the year is far from over and did you miss the two threads i made... about 360 taking a 61% fall and ps3 climbing 130%?

proof right there it's far from over....

[bluntblaze]

Doesn't matter. Year two of console wars goes to... Microsoft!

Better luck next year Sony.

jeezo, you still going on about that..:wtf: lol

[cannabisis4for20]

It's gonna be wii, xbox360, ps3. I gotta admit, I didn't see the wii coming.

[ZeldaG.]

oh my god, the delay turned this thread into a console war thread :(

that sucks more then the delay does... :S


but the delay really sucks, i was so pissed off about it i lost the will to surf (lol the net i mean :P) but now after a few ounces of some nice weed i have remedied the situation itno bliss,

i dont care, ill play assasins creed and darkness and ninja gaiden and be happy :D :D as happy as gta could have ever made me even happier :D :D

fuck gta! i dont need it....




:microwave:


nah but seriosuly... i reckon e wont have no news about it till like christmas...:S

and if they still stick to the 3 traielr rule then i will topple over from anger (at rockstar) to hate (ing rockstar)

.... anyway now to get back on topic.

PS3 RULES!!! XBOX IS RUBISH!!! WOOT WOOT!!! SONY!!!


Wii is good.

lol
i feel like wii is the neutaral party in the console war :P

ps:
but now after a few ounces of some nice weed i have remedied the situation itno bliss,


or shoudl that be denial :P

[snowblind]

xbox is a legend, i PERSONALLY think it kicks playstation hands down. for a start the sixaxis is shite and a blatent added bonus to try and under cut the wii and has no rumble. blu ray well that is debated technology and could quite easily go the way of beta max.but the main thing that xbox have that works amazingly well is their online features. the whole system and the way it is implemented kicks sonys ass. i just like the way that microsoft implicates things.
but its a debate no side has a winner, sales are an inaccurate representation of a consoles greatness. it just means less people bought it, not that it is inferior.
the fact that there are 3 different consoles is healthy, it keeps prices at a 'ahem' minimum and keeps up competition.
the world would be boring if we all went out and bought a ps3 or an xbox.

but the one thing i really fucking hate is fanboys. damn they are gay as fuck. go out, get laid once in a while

you will realise non of this actually matters

anyway gta rules. i have an interview for rockstar north to beta test gta iv, its in glasglow though !?!

[bluntblaze]

ah the beautiful country that is Scotland.,

whats a beta test?

[slipknotpsycho]

beta test is after all the programing is done and i is either played by the creators to make sure everything runs smoothly, or handed out to a limited (but not small) number of people to play and make sure it's working right and smoothly

beta MAX (incase you were asking about that? lol) was an electronic much like a VCR that was around for only a limited ammount of time

[bluntblaze]

beta test is after all the programing is done and i is either played by the creators to make sure everything runs smoothly, or handed out to a limited (but not small) number of people to play and make sure it's working right and smoothly

beta MAX (incase you were asking about that? lol) was an electronic much like a VCR that was around for only a limited ammount of time

oh ok.. so ifs he got an interview to test it that means it must be finished.
which leads me to believe that the delay WAS ms fault because they cant fit it onto one disc :mad: otherwise why is it delayed soo fucking long?!!?!

im still as pissed off as i was when i found out about the delay (for whatever).. ive come to terms with the fact im not gonna be playing it untill next year (cries lol) but damn... im still so angry.

p.s. dont start bitching to me if your 360 fanboy because i couldnt really give a fuck whether it was ms' fault or not... either way its delayed.

[ZeldaG.]

:wtf::rasta::hippy::stoned::rastasmoke: NEWS AT LAST!!!!!!




WWW.GTA4.NET!!!!!!! GO THERE NOW!!!! (www.gta4.net)

yeah nothing too amazing lol, but news is news...

see you all on the 6th ;)

[snowblind]

Doesn't matter. Year two of console wars goes to... Microsoft!

Better luck next year Sony.

i think youll find it goes to nintendo

[snowblind]

i forgot i had previously posted. yeah the game has been coded from what i understand since june/july this year. thats when rockstar where starting to look for testers.

the problem with a game like gta is that it is so huge there is so much to test. you literally have to play out every scenario in the game a few times. so as you can imagine in gta that is a huge amount of required playtime and input.

then this gets reported and the various coding gets sorted and bits and bobs tweaked, then played again. the thing with games is that all the coding and especially gta as it is running of a brand spanking new physic engine, check out natural motion. com for free demo of it. is that the code is just algorithm after algoritm and when you tweak one bit you invariable tweak bits you dont realise till you play it.

i didnt get the jobin the end as i couldnt feesably move to scotland whilst im still attending various clinics and seeing doctors :(

anyway cant wait for the game, cus it should be sick

[Melkane]

i think youll find it goes to nintendo

In terms of actual GREAT games 2007 was the year of the 360 hands down. One major great game after another.


In terms of console sales, yes Wii is console of the year.


Games are more important though IMO.


So 360 WINS!!!

[snowblind]

whilst i will agree with you on a personal note.

i will disagree on a objective, games are all about personal choice and taste. so whilst a game may score 10 in every review in every mag, not everyone will like it. it is also a hard level to judge, due to the reviewer, magazine, etc. it is also worth noting many games mags/sites are paid for by publishing houses or the bigger corportations.

i mean people bitch about halo all the time but that sold well. i personally love halo.

so really in the war of consoles it has to be awarded on console sales. as these give a better reflection of the market trends.

on a personal note i would only say there have been 4 great games this year for 360. those being halo, bioshock, cod 4, mass effect(although riddled with bugs) but these are only my opinon.
There are also shit hot games on wii, rs4, wii sports, zelda cross bow training, emergency hospital, mario galaxy.

but it is all a matter of taste.

so consoles has to be the clear decider in winner.

[Melkane]

Again I disagree, console sales is as much about taste as games are. I'd say regardless of console sales, it's game sales that matter. Yes you are right, in what's great for one gamer another gamer may not care for. That doesn't however mean a game sucks, Halo 3 is a great game, not everyone likes it but that doesn't stop it from being a great game. But on the same token that's what makes a great system, is a diverse amount of great titles. It's the sales of the titles that matter.

What big blockbuster games has the Wii really had this year? Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 and that will be reflected in sales by the end of the year guaranteed.

360 on the other hand has had a large number of big titles

Bioshock
Halo 3
Call of Duty 4
Orange Box
Assassins Creed
Mass Effect

All those games will come out of this holiday season with great sales.

Wii sells more consoles due to it's gimmick nature and it's cheaper cost. Doesn't mean it wins the console war. It's a "novelty" value and it's less strain on the wallet. It surely isn't selling based on it's "expansive and great library".

360 on the other hand has an established library of good titles and has had one AAA hyped release after another since about August.

[snowblind]

Again I disagree, console sales is as much about taste as games are. I'd say regardless of console sales, it's game sales that matter. Yes you are right, in what's great for one gamer another gamer may not care for. That doesn't however mean a game sucks, Halo 3 is a great game, not everyone likes it but that doesn't stop it from being a great game. But on the same token that's what makes a great system, is a diverse amount of great titles. It's the sales of the titles that matter.

What big blockbuster games has the Wii really had this year? Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 and that will be reflected in sales by the end of the year guaranteed.

360 on the other hand has had a large number of big titles

Bioshock
Halo 3
Call of Duty 4
Orange Box
Assassins Creed
Mass Effect

All those games will come out of this holiday season with great sales.

Wii sells more consoles due to it's gimmick nature and it's cheaper cost. Doesn't mean it wins the console war. It's a "novelty" value and it's less strain on the wallet. It surely isn't selling based on it's "expansive and great library".

360 on the other hand has an established library of good titles and has had one AAA hyped release after another since about August.

the list of games you quoted is true, but i negated orange box and assasins creed as these are multi format and so are negatable in the debate.

i agree that some games sell consoles. but you have to look at the wider picture of the wii. you may view it as gimicky but it actually is a very well thought out implication as it provides acsesability. this is why the wii is selling more consoles. it provides family fun as this has always been a staple of nintendo philosophy.

i do not agree with the notion that violent video games cause violence. they are not isolated from tv, films, books and media, if one is to blame all are. but the wii steps away from all of this in that it provides a whole host of accesable family games.

making it easier for parents to buy for their younger kids. but also is fun for every inthe family with the bucket loads of variety and party games it has. so whilst you view it as gimicky, its sales clearly dont reflect this.

in terms of games well the games you mentioned are my personal big games of the year and whilst there has been a whole plathitude of games released this year. 4 shit hot games is not a huge amount.

i understand exactly what you are saying about the games being a greater indication than a console, i just disagree and tend to hold the view reflected by most impartial industry reviewers and workers.

peace out

[ZeldaG.]

LMFAO!!! HAHAHA :stoned:

I cannot believe this, i drag this thread back to the top from something like page 3 (last post was august 11th lol) and instead of saying ''SICK OFFCIIAL BOXART WOOT!!!!''

YOU CARRY ON THE FUCKIN CONSOLE WAR THAT I HAD HOPED WOULD DIE AFTER THIS THREAD GOT ABANDONED...

And i dont mind or anything, but am amazed at how you just totally dodged the news bit and went on with the august dated arguement :mad:

lmao anyway for thsoe of you who missed it because of all this crap here goes:

OFFICIAL BOX ART FOR GTA4 IS OUT YOU CAN CATHCH IT ON THE OFFICIAL SITE OR Grand Theft Auto IV - News: Official Facts, Rumors, Ideas (http://www.gta4.net)

ALSO THE NEXT (third) TRAILER WILL BE OUT 6th OF DECEMBER!!! :wtf:

ALSO THERE IS A VIDEO UP OF SOEM DUDES SPRAYING THE BOXART ON A WALL!!!

:jointsmile:

[snowblind]

hey man i wasn't starting a console war. infact i wasnt arguing which console was better. i was saying that games are a personal preference, whilst the sales of a console are undisputed.

Yeah the box art is wikid. Hve you seen the video of them making it ??

Its absolutely brilliant. then the lights turned off. i had t slow it down so the lights where just glowing so i could see it wasnt super imposed.

i cant wait personally. have you seen the limited edition pack. its only like a tenner more and you get a cool lock up box, art work adn a duffle bag. shit hot.

peace

[ZeldaG.]

lmao :D You said somehting goes to nintendo ;) lol

but i dont really care i was just making sure people dont miss the news bit cos i was like wtf?? did i post the thing or not lol

[snowblind]

lol no worries. yeah im pretty sure you did.

cant knock nintendo there onto a winner,

take it easy

[KingsBlend420]

New Trailer is up on the GTA IV website. The game looks way different in this trailer than in the previous ones, not sure if it's better or not yet, but you can definitely tell they messed around with the graphics quite a bit, especially with the npcs.

[snowblind]

nah they havent messed around with the graphics, its just there running things real time in this demo, with everything running, weather, physics, npc's, vehicles. not just the city and a few people in an enclosed area. This demo is a true reflection of what the game will look like.
The only think that is gonna worry me is going to be wether the frame rate drops when things get hetic.
It does look lush though, the water looks wikid.


YouTube - Grand Theft Auto IV - Trailer #3! - "Move up, Ladies" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e4yx1s-l6f8)

[snowblind]

check this out too

IGN: Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer and Q&A (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/839/839993p1.html)

[Struck420]

looks sick as hell cant wait to play this :thumbsup:
gotta wait till march according to gamestop :(

[snowblind]

march, thats a bout right i thought it would be late q1 early q2. have you seen the limited editon pack, with the soundtrack duffle bag and lockable box. it just screams stash box

[LIP]

nah they havent messed around with the graphics, its just there running things real time in this demo, with everything running, weather, physics, npc's, vehicles. not just the city and a few people in an enclosed area. This demo is a true reflection of what the game will look like.
The only think that is gonna worry me is going to be wether the frame rate drops when things get hetic.
It does look lush though, the water looks wikid.


YouTube - Grand Theft Auto IV - Trailer #3! - "Move up, Ladies" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e4yx1s-l6f8)

The explosions and weapons look NICE! I just hope they are the ones in the real game. I might bother getting a PS3 earlier than i had anticipated.

[snowblind]

/\/\/\/\ you had better believe it lip, guns, explosions, bikes, cars and women. what more could you want.

it might be worth waiting to see which system fares better due to multi format release.

not getting into any console debate

but assasins creed had less bugs on 360 than ps3. so it would stand to reason a huge sandbox game like gta might fair better from the presedent already set.

but if your a sony man than you aint gonna care.

also there will be downloadable content for both systems, but 360 will get it earlier as per the deal with rockstar.

both content packs will be different, but it is likely that ultimately they will both be realesed for both format.

they are said to be like extra islands on the gta map and contain around 10 - 15 hours extra gameplay.

so thats all good, if its anything like gta 3 your looking at around 30 - 40 hours for story driven gameplay and anything upto 100+ for all side quests and shagging.

peace

[LIP]

/\/\/\/\ you had better believe it lip, guns, explosions, bikes, cars and women. what more could you want.

it might be worth waiting to see which system fares better due to multi format release.

not getting into any console debate

but assasins creed had less bugs on 360 than ps3. so it would stand to reason a huge sandbox game like gta might fair better from the presedent already set.

but if your a sony man than you aint gonna care.

also there will be downloadable content for both systems, but 360 will get it earlier as per the deal with rockstar.

both content packs will be different, but it is likely that ultimately they will both be realesed for both format.

they are said to be like extra islands on the gta map and contain around 10 - 15 hours extra gameplay.

so thats all good, if its anything like gta 3 your looking at around 30 - 40 hours for story driven gameplay and anything upto 100+ for all side quests and shagging.

peace

I am indeed a sony man! Never liked the Xboxes, they've had a bad name themselves [something like 1 in 3 at one point being sent back] and i've always had sonys. Even me TV is sony, and me sterio haha.

This does look like a fucking incredible game though. It really does.

This really is moving forward - this is going to be like vice city, vice city made a big impact and will always be remembered. I reckon this one will too.

[snowblind]

Yeah it is, i would argue that GTA games have always created benchmarks for consoles and systems and gta4 is definately the first game arguably that truley utilises and pushes this current generation of hardware to its limits.

I went to a presentation at a games fair where the people who are providing the physics engine for the game spoke about the engine and how it was developed. It bassically started as a program to create intelligent creatures that could walk under the forces of our planet, ie gravity, wind.

they built muscle denisty, gravity and whole range of things into the program so that the characters actually react to ingame events using natural motion and true physical weight.

its really amazing and this is what gta runs, at the presentation he played a tiny snippet of the game, he said he shouldnt, but as it wasnt rendered it should be ok. its amazing, cars are true weight to them and move accordingly and the people actually interact with the floor, rather that floating over a glass one.

plus then all the new facial animations.

i could go on

anyway the website for the company is NaturalMotion (http://www.naturalmotion.com/)

you can download a trial program and do all kind of crazy shit, just type in endporhin in youtube for loads of home made stuff.

i have to admit i love mgs so i might have to buy a ps3 just for that

peace

[snowblind]

new details from ign

character lists

IGN: The Characters of Grand Theft Auto IV (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/841/841715p1.html)

models looks smooth

[smok3y]

Man Gta looks so fucking good man.. Cant wait for it to come out.. Does any boady know the relase date for it?

[snowblind]

btw just for the record, the reason that gta has been delayed is due to the ps3

[bluntblaze]

I am indeed a sony man! Never liked the Xboxes, they've had a bad name themselves [something like 1 in 3 at one point being sent back] and i've always had sonys. Even me TV is sony, and me sterio haha.

This does look like a fucking incredible game though. It really does.

This really is moving forward - this is going to be like vice city, vice city made a big impact and will always be remembered. I reckon this one will too.

yo lip hows it going .. when u getting a ps3?
ill add you

[smokey2315]

the ONLY reason i bought an xbox 360 was for this dman game.. then wat happens?? they push it back till april 08 i was pissed!

im not counting down but belive i got that shit pre-ordered and ill be in line

[Reefer Rogue]

The game has now essentially been finished. Rockstar are just polishing some things and dealing with bugs and other minor things.

The release date has yet to be decided. "Before the end of April" is all we know. The gaming press will receive a hands-on preview before then (about a month from now).

The Liberty City map was shown briefly during the demo. Kikizo
describe it as containing a large island in the middle (Algonquin) with Alderney to the left (similarly sized) and two islands to the right - a small one (Bohan) up north with Broker and Dukes underneath.

Liberty City will contain a subway system, which Niko is able to use. The system covers - at the very least - Broker and Algonquin, but we aren't sure about the other areas yet.

Rockstar commented on the map found in Trailer 3 by forum member "Bluespot". "My God!" was their reaction. In other words, yes, it is the map

A speedboat journey around (approximately) half of Algonquin lasted for 5 minutes.

In terms of camera views, all the traditional views are still there, and there will now also be a dashboard view.

There is a new character called Bell.

During the demo, they passed a restaurant called "Poop Deck," where they met with Francis McGreary. Other places mentioned are Oneida Avenue, 99 Long Road (Broker), a bar called Perestroika, Koreatown

The character Brucie is introduced to Niko by his cousin Roman. Brucie runs a garage just around the corner from Roman's taxi depot.

Characters also often look different each time you see them instead of perpetually wearing the same clothes like in previous GTAs.
The red and blue search radius on the radar is centred around the point where the crime was committed, and your last known whereabouts.

You can smash your own car window to enable you to shoot from it; you can free-aim outside of your window using the right analogue.

Liberty City has one airport, based on JFK, called Francis International Airport (yes, it's the same name given to the airport in GTA3).

Progress is automatically saved after completing a mission. There are also safe houses dotted around the city, which you can save at any time.

In this demo, the cell network is called Badger, whereas in the last one it was called Whiz.

Building relationships with characters is important. During the preview, Jacob comes to meet you rather than vice versa. This is only possibly once your friendship with Jacob has reached a certain level.

Pool, eating, darts, and bowling are just some of the activities possible in GTA IV. The cellphone is used to access these activities.

There is a radio station called IF99.

The game clock is no longer one minute = one hour. It's now two minutes = one hour. So days are now longer.

One of the missions previewed during the demo is called "Deconstruction for Beginners". A new character called Playboy X is introduced by Elizabeta (who happens to be a friend of Niko's). Playbox X is one of the characters who provides missions in the game. He lives in a mansion.

The new targetting system was previewed. There are eight purple segments in the target circle that make up someone's health, which you get when you're locked on - during free aiming you don't get the indicator.

Another mission called Truck Hustle was previewed. Two new characters are introduced during this mission - Ray, a mafioso character, and Bell.

The more "expensive" cars have better GPS systems than poor ones. The one in this preview "talks us through the streets."
The cellphone can be used to listen to radio stations.
The GTA4 weather system does not feature seasons, which means no snow

GRAND THEFT AUTO IV - GTA IV previews go live! 10 new screenshots released. (News) (http://www.gta4.net/news/3963/gta-iv-previews-go-live--10-new-screenshots-released/)

[WeedyBoyWonder]

About travling from island to island, do you know if there is flyable planes in this one?

[Reefer Rogue]

Thatâ??s right, they have told us that there will be no airplanes in grand theft auto 4. Theyâ??ve decided to keep it more realistic by not having airplanes in this series since it is based in only one city, Liberty City a clone of New York. Flying airplanes was actually one of my favorite things to do while playing but thatâ??s ok I guess because there will be helicopters. Some of you may have caught rumors that there will be rollerblades and unicycles, let us set it straight for you, this is just a rumor.

No Airplanes in Grand Theft Auto 4 | Grand Theft Auto 4 - GTA IV (http://www.gta4.ws/archives/12)

[SmokeItUp999]

Gametrailers.com - GTshane's GamePad - Viewing Blog (http://gtshane.gametrailers.com/gamepad/index.php?action=viewblog&id=236611)


more new info

[snowblind]

yup detailed info up on ign, 1up all the game site, cus rockstar let people finally play.

woop woop

[Reefer Rogue]

The best game ever to grace humanity has a release date

Rockstar Games announced today that Grand Theft Auto IV will be released April 29th, 2008 for both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 worldwide! YEAH BABY!

Here is the Press Release:

â??New York, NY - January 24, 2008 - Rockstar Games, a publishing label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO), is proud to announce the release date for Grand Theft Auto IV, the new title in the genre-defining Grand Theft Auto franchise. Developed by Rockstar North, Grand Theft Auto IV will be simultaneously available for Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system and PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system and will be in stores worldwide on April 29, 2008.

â??We are so excited to be releasing Grand Theft Auto IV,â?� said Sam Houser, Founder and Executive Producer of Rockstar Games. â??Weâ??ve pushed ourselves very hard to make something incredible and hope the game sets a new benchmark for interactive entertainment.â?�

For more information, log onto GRAND THEFT AUTO IV (http://www.rockstargames.com/IV) â??

[jeepboi]

The best game ever to grace humanity has a release date

Rockstar Games announced today that Grand Theft Auto IV will be released April 29th, 2008 for both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 worldwide! YEAH BABY!

Here is the Press Release:

â??New York, NY - January 24, 2008 - Rockstar Games, a publishing label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO), is proud to announce the release date for Grand Theft Auto IV, the new title in the genre-defining Grand Theft Auto franchise. Developed by Rockstar North, Grand Theft Auto IV will be simultaneously available for Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system and PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system and will be in stores worldwide on April 29, 2008.

â??We are so excited to be releasing Grand Theft Auto IV,â?� said Sam Houser, Founder and Executive Producer of Rockstar Games. â??Weâ??ve pushed ourselves very hard to make something incredible and hope the game sets a new benchmark for interactive entertainment.â?�

For more information, log onto GRAND THEFT AUTO IV (http://www.rockstargames.com/IV) â??

oh yeah brother 2 more months!

[snowblind]

anyone got the special edition on pre order.

did mine today.

anyone play dmc4 aswell. i got it yesterday. which was the uk release date. fucking rocks.