Our Continuous Harvest...more bud every 10 days!

[dutch.lover]

Hey all, I thought it was time to start a new log, this one will be focused on our flowering plants. As you all should know, Harris7 and I grow together.:greenthumb:

This is a place where you can come for lots of bud pics, along with (hopefully) lots of debates and info on various harvesting/curing/trimming methods- from 24hrs darkness b4 harvest, to cutting off fan leaves.

We have now entered into our continous harvest faze, we will be harvesting a new plant about every 10 days.

We have a lot of strains on our hands: Champagne, Mud Bud, The Hog, Dutch Treat, Big Bang, and Dr. Atomic's Northern Lights. (I hope I haven't forgotten any. lol)

So far we have harvested 2 champagne plants, 2 dutch treat plants, and 1 hog. Our favorite smoke is The Hog so far, it's a strong indica yet it gives us a giddy buzz at the same time, with no burnout/crash.:giggity:

The plant next on the chopping block is Dutch Treat (so far our favorite looking plant, and the best genetics in terms of indestructability) which will be harvested in about 5 days, with Mud Bud close on it's heels.

I will post some pics of our most recent harvest's soon, so stay tuned!:jointsmile:

[Nocturnal Stoner]

man could you post some pictures, the description is making my mouth water lol :D

[dutch.lover]

I was just about to go jump in the shower but just for you...here are some pics! All of the buds are champagne (also the picture of the plant), except for that 3rd pic which is Dutch Treat.

Oh and I forgot to mention, off the first 4 plants we got 3 ounces. We were hoping for more obviously, but they were our VERY FIRST plants and we put them thru hell. Hopefully our next plants will show us some more love!

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In one of my next posts, I will describe how we have harvested/manicured/cured so far...our methods are open to critique and suggestions! I know everyone has their own way of doing things, so please share what works for you.

[Shovelhandle]

Looks very cool. I'll be watching.

Shovelhandle

[Shovelhandle]

Ok, I see the attached. Wooly Bully, man! Robust Buds.

Shov

[Matt the Funk]

Yummm

[1chronic]

Very nice looking buds, I can't wait to see more.

[harris7]

So this is Dutch Treat. Weâ??ve harvested 2 plants from this strain already but not these exact genetics. It seems the buds on this plant are leafier than the others but weâ??ve kept this one as the mother. It has some really great qualities like VERY strong steams, quick growing and nice big leafs (maybe a bad choice).

These picâ??s are from a day b4 we cut the nutrients on her and sheâ??s been going about 4 days just on sugars now. The buds have really fattened up Iâ??ll post new pics at harvest.

Iâ??m lovin how long the coals are

[TheGreenFog]

Looking forward to the bud porn, guys! :D

That Dutch Treat looks beautiful.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[dutch.lover]

Here's our harvest method so far:

-Cut nutes when first trichs start to turn amber
-Feed with only Sweet, and with lots of water each watering (ie minor flush)
-When amber trichs get closer to the ratio we want, we do a major flush
-Put plant into 36 hours darkness before chopping down

Once chopped down:

-Cut off all large fan leaves (ie ones with no trichs on them)
-Cut plant into branches
-Hang on clothes hangers, with newspaper loosely around them to allow airflow but block out most light
-Temp when drying is about 18C


I'm up for any suggestions for changing our method so far. For example, we probably shouldn't cut off all the fan leaves right before hanging.

I have also heard some other crazy things such as: cut off all the fan leaves when the plant is about 5 days away from being chopped, same as last point but only cut off 1/2 of each leaf... what are your thoughts?

[canuck grower]

I'll quote the grow bible on this one:


Removing large fan leaves to allow more intense lights to reach small buds or to stress plants is crazy! Large leaves are necessary to keep plants healthy. Indoors and in greenhouses where the hours of darkness are controlled, cannabis flowers for six to ten weeks or longer. This is a very short time. Hacking off branch tips to initiate more budding sites diffuses floral hormones and retards growth. Remove only leaves that are 50% or more damaged by diseases, pests, and cultural practices.

I don't see why that wouldn't apply in the last days of flower as well. Maybe even more so since the plants won't be fed at that time.

So I can't say from trying it myself, but it does indeed sound crazy. :)

[dutch.lover]

yeah i totally agree (i have jorge's bible too)...the leaves are IMO super important in the last while b4 harvest, because those are what the plant feeds itself with.

I'm always tempted to cut off large fan leaves to get smaller buds more light, but I just tuck them under instead. It's more fun that way anyhow, manipulating it so it grows the best naturally- as opposed to plucking it bare.

[stinkyattic]

OMG I totally forgot that you guys were the gruesome twosome, lol.... nice first crop!
Perpetual cropping is a delight. I used to LOVE having a plant to chop every other day or so. It really relieves boredom of waiting for the harvest to all finish up at once!

[dutch.lover]

haha thanks Stinky! I do like the continuous harvesting, it's nice having different weed to smoke every week or so. Having all the plants in different stages of growth does have it's cons tho...like all the plants are different heights so some get better light then others, figuring out how many and what kind of nutes to feed to each individual plant, and finally as fun as manicuring is- I wish there was more to do at one time!!!

You can check out our old grow log to see more harvest pics if you want, from our first 5 plants.

[stinkyattic]

yeah, feeding can be a pain... i saw your old log.. big thumbs up.

[TheGreenFog]

I'll quote the grow bible on this one:

I don't see why that wouldn't apply in the last days of flower as well. Maybe even more so since the plants won't be fed at that time.

So I can't say from trying it myself, but it does indeed sound crazy. :)

Ok, I've heard (read) this a thousand times if I have once, so I'm sure it's correct. I would also agree that the plant probably needs the leaves most in the end to suck the nutes from, right, since you aren't feeding it...but...


I was listening to Zandor's podcast the other day, and he says something like, "meh, it shouldn't hurt them too bad."

So, I'm not trying to start anything. I love Zandor and TGR (his podcast), but I think he may be misleading with that comment. Maybe I'll send him an email tomorrow. I know the one I listened to is WAY old by now, so maybe he corrected himself. I know it's tempting to wanna chop them (the fan leaves) off so you can revel in the beauty that are the buds, but I wouldn't want a bunch of newbies to go running around chopping them off, just because they heard that "it probably won't hurt much" on a podcast. Know what I'm sayin'?


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[canuck grower]

I just sort of made my own test to see if I take the leaf off or not. I tug on a really yellow leaf (usually crisping up) it and if it comes right off then it's ready to come off. If it resists then I leave it on.

[harris7]

one idea i had WAs:
since removing the fan leafs gives light to the buds (IMO not a big deal)
but also stresses the plant and causes a self defense reaction

the plant thinks it is being eaten, so what does it do. Swell up with resin to scare off the bugs

so an idea would be to allow your plant to finish normally, then b4 you give the plant 24-36 hours darkness cut off all the fan leafs.

Thoughts?

[Perp]

Concerning the removal of fan leaves; here is an experiment to try. On one plant choose a node somewhere along the main stem and remove one of the fan leaves from one side. Leave the other intact. Notice when the plant is finished how much bigger the bud is with the leaf than the one without.

I did this once and was amazed at the difference in size. The bud with the intact fan leaf was over twice the size.

[canuck grower]

one idea i had WAs:
since removing the fan leafs gives light to the buds (IMO not a big deal)
but also stresses the plant and causes a self defense reaction

the plant thinks it is being eaten, so what does it do. Swell up with resin to scare off the bugs

so an idea would be to allow your plant to finish normally, then b4 you give the plant 24-36 hours darkness cut off all the fan leafs.

Thoughts?

I have 2 girls flowering that are quite similar with 4 weeks to go, maybe 5. They're just little popsicle-like plants for a 4/20 session so I'm willing to try that out and see if there's a notable difference to the eye and my microscope. It's not very scientific but it's about the best I can do.

They are clones of the same plant so it should be a pretty fair comparison. Someone remind me to actually do it around the end of this month up to 2nd week of april. :)

It sounds plausible to me, even if Jorge thinks it's crazy. I don't see how it could hurt much since there's no light for them to take in anyway.

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here's a pic illustrating what perp said.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/115322d1169877504t-2-amateurs-armed-bag-seed-closet-leave-your-leaves.jpg (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/115322d1169877504-2-amateurs-armed-bag-seed-closet-leave-your-leaves.jpg)
(post (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/96344-2-amateurs-armed-bag-seed-closet-4.html#post1215194))

[Pezzo]

Nice

[TheGreenFog]

I just sort of made my own test to see if I take the leaf off or not. I tug on a really yellow leaf (usually crisping up) it and if it comes right off then it's ready to come off. If it resists then I leave it on.

Yep, that's the way to do it. :D


One idea i had was:
since removing the fan leafs gives light to the buds (IMO not a big deal)
but also stresses the plant and causes a self defense reaction

the plant thinks it is being eaten, so what does it do. Swell up with resin to scare off the bugs

so an idea would be to allow your plant to finish normally, then b4 you give the plant 24-36 hours darkness cut off all the fan leafs.

Thoughts?

Well, it probably wouldn't hurt, but I doubt it will help. At that point, the plant is finishing up, and like you said, there is no light, so why take off the leaves? Not to get more light to the buds, right...cuz there is none...

And even though the leaves would not be receiving light, therefore, not undergoing photosynthesis, they would still have nutrients stored in them (unless they are yellow by now), so they would still be able to feed the bud with food while it's dark...

Just a thought, fragmented as it may be. :jointsmile:

Canuck, if you try it, let us know how it goes. We'll try to remind ya. :thumbsup:


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[dutch.lover]

today i will take a tissue sample from Dutch Treat...I can sense harvest time approaching...! I'm excited, this plant we've had from the beginning too (ie from seed- same age as the 5 other plants we've already harvested) and it was our favorite. Super bushy and really strong stemmed, it was beautiful. Soon it will be time to find out just how beautiful it is!:jointsmile:

[canuck grower]

Well, it probably wouldn't hurt, but I doubt it will help. At that point, the plant is finishing up, and like you said, there is no light, so why take off the leaves? Not to get more light to the buds, right...cuz there is none...

There is no light. I think we all agree that taking off leaves to give light to buds is bogus. The idea is to shock the plant into thinking she's being eaten or something so she tries to defend herself with resin. It very well could be just as crazy as pulling leaves to let light get to buds.


And even though the leaves would not be receiving light, therefore, not undergoing photosynthesis, they would still have nutrients stored in them (unless they are yellow by now), so they would still be able to feed the bud with food while it's dark...

This I agree with. Good point. I'd like to do the test with larger plants with more leaves one day. These 2 I have now are quite small.

-cg :jointsmile:

[harris7]

this idea was highly supported by another grower on here. who spoke of very good results cutting off all fan leafs 5 days b4 harvest.

i think this is a yield reducing but potency improving tech.

it is very difficult to study this at home. in a lab we could

[dutch.lover]

We put Dutch Treat into darkness this afternoon. Beforehand, Harris7 cut off all the large fan leaves. Maybe the plant will be more resinous, who knows.

Harvest and manicure pics to follow!

[Bree1978]

sorry to intrude, just wanted to give you some props...Love the pics and both the logs! Everything looks super scrumptious! :jointsmile: Bree

[dutch.lover]

Another Update: We chopped Dutch Treat yesterday.

Weren't too impressed with the buds, they were quite a bit skinnier than the last plants we harvested and were very leafy. The length of the main colas are really impressive tho- at least a foot long each. The manicure pics are the most fun- so I shall post some when the time comes. Stay Tuned!

[Abattoir Dream]

Concerning the removal of fan leaves; here is an experiment to try. On one plant choose a node somewhere along the main stem and remove one of the fan leaves from one side. Leave the other intact. Notice when the plant is finished how much bigger the bud is with the leaf than the one without.

I did this once and was amazed at the difference in size. The bud with the intact fan leaf was over twice the size.


Perp is completely correct...

LATERAL BRANCHES GROW IN DIRECT CORRELATION TO FAN LEAVES! BY REMOVING A FAN LEAF, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DISABLE THE GROWTH OF THE EXISTING LATERAL BRANCH...

...man ive been waitin for someone to bring this up.. :)

[dutch.lover]

very interesting! it's good to know that there is an actual science to removing fan leaves-smaller branches/buds. (i was gonna give u some rep for that but i can't apparently)

Have any of you heard about pinching buds to make them grow larger? The logic behind this is if you pinch the bud, the plant will feel like it's being damaged and kind of grow an extra bud in it's place. By pinching, I think my friend meant squeezing the stem near the bud so the plant thinks it's been severed. Anyone?

[harris7]

Perp is completely correct...

LATERAL BRANCHES GROW IN DIRECT CORRELATION TO FAN LEAVES! BY REMOVING A FAN LEAF, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DISABLE THE GROWTH OF THE EXISTING LATERAL BRANCH...


correlation isnâ??t causation.

I remove fan leafs all the time and the axial growth from the node continues fine.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, guys. Wanted to see how the continuous harvest is going. Any new harvest pics?! I'm patiently waiting.

Hope they come soon! :)


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[dutch.lover]

We chopped and hung a plant Friday night, so manicure pics will be coming soon! We actually smoked some quick-dried (i take little popcorn buds off the stems when we chop the plant, and put them above my fridge where it's warm and they take about 2 days to dry) bud from Dutch Treat last night, and it was very smooth. It has a strange smell, different from our other dutch treats, but the taste was unaffected. The high was really awesome too, and when combined with The Hog...giggly goodness. lol.

Will post some pics today of the hanging buds and flowering plants, to quench y'alls bud-thirst!!! lol :rasta:

[dutch.lover]

The moment has arrived!! Im just gonna start manicuring Dutch Treat, so stay tuned!

[harris7]

Well here are some photoâ??s of the newly chopped Dutch. This plant seems more potent than any of the others from the density of trichomes and how fast our trimming scissors got stuck.

We have the ritual of smoking the first bud trimmed and it was quite nice. Weâ??ll see how it is after a nice long cure.

Now we need to talk about a little problem called LYD. Low yield disorder has been affecting the last 5 plants Hereâ??s what we got:

C-1
Yield = 14.9g
C-2
Yield = about 1.8 oz
DT-1
Yield = 20.1g
DT-2
Yield = About an oz
Hog (H-1)
Yield = 14.8g
DT-3 (this plant)
Yield=22 g

One explanation is that the huge amount of stress these plants went through during Veg and flowering, stunted their growth rate.

To test this hypothesis we must wait, one more plant (Mud bud) went through such stresses. She should be chopped in a few days from then on the plants had a very happy life.

Harris

[canuck grower]

I guess that is a bit low. Nice looking plants in any case though... can't wait to see the ones that are LYD-free! :rastasmoke:

-cg :jointsmile:

[dutch.lover]

i am disappointed with our yields, but at the same time our weed is soooo potent that I really can't complain too much. For all I know, the buds have 'concentrated' themselves and have increased potency as a result. lol. We vaporized our weed last night, and it tasted soooo good. Apart from an awesome high using a Volcano provides, it's really nice to actually taste the weed...instead of resin from a bong.

i just watered the kids, and let me tell you, some of them smell amazing! one of our next champagnes smells so dank, i couldn't believe my nose. seriously. lol. I wish we could all get together and try each others' weed...if only there were "smelly-net" :D

ps: Mud Bud is the next plant to be chopped down...(we haven't harvested a Mud yet so it will be a new experience:))

[Abattoir Dream]

very interesting! it's good to know that there is an actual science to removing fan leaves-smaller branches/buds. (i was gonna give u some rep for that but i can't apparently)

Have any of you heard about pinching buds to make them grow larger? The logic behind this is if you pinch the bud, the plant will feel like it's being damaged and kind of grow an extra bud in it's place. By pinching, I think my friend meant squeezing the stem near the bud so the plant thinks it's been severed. Anyone?

i have thought of that before, i expect the plant would bleed to death though, or bleed enough to hermie...

i was thinking... if every lateral branch minus the top 4 were removed... would it focus all energy on the main cola..? maybe not.. i guess the leaves at the top can only take in a certain amount of light... what if every lateral branch (other than the main cola) were to be removed, but all fan leaves where left on... would the plant produce a boulder of a top cola??? i wonder if anyone has looked into this?!? maybe someone has some useful notes floating around?

hey, dutch lover... next time you harvest HOG, could you post a pic?

thnx 4 ur time...;)

[Abattoir Dream]

correlation isn’t causation.

I remove fan leafs all the time and the axial growth from the node continues fine.

ahh yeh, i see what you mean, what i said was you CAN disable the growth of a lateral branch, - if it hasnt got enough leaves to support itself..

obviously, if a branch is well developed, loosing its fan leaf wont matter..

[dutch.lover]

I will totally post a pic of Hog next time it's harvested...it will be awhile unfortunately, I think at least a month. We have a lot of champagne coming up tho. I know that's what you were growing, and I laughed when I read you said it smelled like bananas...but then our last plant smelt really weird when it was drying, so then I realized smelling like bananas wasn't so strange after all, lol.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Awsome thread guys, and some nice plants. I did a little experiment of myself before harvesting the top colas of my Afghanis.
I stuck the three in a closet to control dark period. 2 of them got 15 hours of dark(I slept in), and the other 36 hours. Then I took the top colas and put them back in the room to finish up the bottoms, tomorrow I'll take the bottoms using the same dark period for each plant.
So far we noticed that the plant left in the dark smokes a little nicer and is a little more potent, but she was the better plant to begin with, so hopefully the bottom harvest is a little more equals seeing as how they were all shaded.

[Abattoir Dream]

I will totally post a pic of Hog next time it's harvested...it will be awhile unfortunately, I think at least a month. We have a lot of champagne coming up tho. I know that's what you were growing, and I laughed when I read you said it smelled like bananas...but then our last plant smelt really weird when it was drying, so then I realized smelling like bananas wasn't so strange after all, lol.

lol GREAT! champagne sounds good too :) haha yeh, it did just smell like fresh bananas... unfortunately im not all that pleased with the HOG, its meant to yeild big, greasy buds... but it never seems to... ill try a few outdoors this summer.. see how things go eh?

this may be a stupid question... but does anyone have any diagrams of a cannabis plants vein/arterie structure... i need to know how the blood is pumping before i experiment with lateral branches and such...:)

[Abattoir Dream]

So far we noticed that the plant left in the dark smokes a little nicer and is a little more potent, but she was the better plant to begin with, so hopefully the bottom harvest is a little more equals seeing as how they were all shaded

this would make sense... light degrades THC, so therefore the more dark... the more potent...:)

[Scarlet Sky]

i was thinking... if every lateral branch minus the top 4 were removed... would it focus all energy on the main cola..? maybe not.. i guess the leaves at the top can only take in a certain amount of light... what if every lateral branch (other than the main cola) were to be removed, but all fan leaves where left on... would the plant produce a boulder of a top cola??? i wonder if anyone has looked into this?!? maybe someone has some useful notes floating around?

not only have i some useful notes on the topic, i've the experience to boot.

if all lat branches are removed (except four, you hit the nail on the head) the plant will flower a main cola, and that's all. the result is a cola bud up to twice the size of those that were left natural.

at the same time, i've some multi-topped plants that put out hundreds of popcorn buds totalling up to a qp, so the top yeild prize goes to the giant wiry freaks...

[Abattoir Dream]

hahaha great, should i be removing the fan leaves along with the lat's? or just leave them? (lol excuse the pun) sounds like something new to try...:)

as for multi topping, whats your method? when i top its from 4th-5th node, how many nodes do you leave between topping when you 'multi-top'..?
also, how long do you leave them to vegg from the last topping to the first day of 12/12?

im really interested in all these ideas...:) any more info would be much appreciated...:)

lol sorry for hi-jacking the thread harris7 and dutch lover, though surely your keen to find out these things too? - good luck guys ;)

[Chronic Chrissy]

this would make sense... light degrades THC, so therefore the more dark... the more potent...:)

I think it's more of a stress the plant out and it tries to produce extra resin to protect itself.

[dutch.lover]

don't worry about hijacking, this thread was meant for discussion...

checked the trichomes on Mud Bud yesterday....they're about 20% amber, 20% clear and 60% cloudy....gonna wait a while longer before cutting her down...

[TheGreenFog]

not only have i some useful notes on the topic, i've the experience to boot.

if all lat branches are removed (except four, you hit the nail on the head) the plant will flower a main cola, and that's all. the result is a cola bud up to twice the size of those that were left natural.

at the same time, i've some multi-topped plants that put out hundreds of popcorn buds totalling up to a qp, so the top yeild prize goes to the giant wiry freaks...

This is basically the technique you could use for a SOG grow. Sea of Green. A bunch of plants...lots of them...all pruned to yield a single LARGE cola each. I have yet to see a good example of that on here. Maybe I've seen it a long time ago.

I'm curious to see if there are any grows that utilize that method. Most people confuse SCROG with SOG, but they are not the same. Unfortunately, in some places, so I hear...you'd be much better off doing a SCROG due to the number of plants used...if ya know what I mean. :o

Anyone got a good pic of a SOG grow of am I gonna have to find it myself? :D


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[Abattoir Dream]

I think it's more of a stress the plant out and it tries to produce extra resin to protect itself.


lol, when i said light degrades THC i meant AFTER the plant is cut... thats what i thought you meant... obviously now after re-reading your post i know different, darkness produces the flowering hormone in a plant, making more bud... whether its any more potent i dont know... its doubtfull though...

if you extend dark periods you have to extend the whole grow, its simple, i think i also heard the buds have more leaves if grown under more dark hours...

[harris7]

lol, when i said light degrades THC i meant AFTER the plant is cut... thats what i thought you meant... obviously now after re-reading your post i know different, darkness produces the flowering hormone in a plant, making more bud... whether its any more potent i dont know... its doubtfull though...

if you extend dark periods you have to extend the whole grow, its simple, i think i also heard the buds have more leaves if grown under more dark hours...
For all oil bearing herbs the oil amount peeks after the dark period.
So the idea is that if we extend the dark period weâ??ll get the amount to peek higher.

Iâ??ve read it so many places and in quite a few books that I believe it

[harris7]

thought i'd post some pics of various plants.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Yummy

[rnichilo]

your setup is something i would dream about :rastasmoke:

[dutch.lover]

our setup will be even sweeter in september. gonna move into a house, and expand things a little. now that we have gone through setting up a growspace and whatnot, we know what to do to improve it. it's allllll trial and error.

Also, going to expand our strains soon, and pick up some that are specific to my grandmother's arthritis needs: that's right, she is asking her specialist about getting her medical card! I am going to supply her :D

[Abattoir Dream]

For all oil bearing herbs the oil amount peeks after the dark period.
So the idea is that if we extend the dark period we’ll get the amount to peek higher.

I’ve read it so many places and in quite a few books that I believe it

well then, all is good! :) heres something to try... cut the tips of every leaf on the plant, (other than resinous trim leaves) put it into darkness overnight, and compare the amount of resin to what it was before... you will be surprised ;) i did it yesturday, and today she looks frosty :) - good luck...

[Abattoir Dream]

Also, going to expand our strains soon, and pick up some that are specific to my grandmother's arthritis needs: that's right, she is asking her specialist about getting her medical card! I am going to supply her


two words, Matanuska Tundra... a whole load of people have said its good for relieving 'pain ailments' it tastes a bit like chocolate and has VERY dense buds... believe me, you'll want this strain :)

[harris7]

oops

[harris7]

So weâ??ve played around with a few LST techniques.

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Here is the one we use the most, itâ??s easy to do. Only takes 2 rounds of tying.

Little explanation
Pic 1: over all pic

Pic 2: so we top the plant, sometimes take a clone, to promote axial growth

Pic 3: then we bend the main stem over to get the light to the side shoots and let em grow nice and big

Pic 4: then we take the large side shoots and tie each one out to the sides.


This last one really spreads out the canopy allowing light to get to the lower leafs and so that each shoot isnâ??t competing with the others.

In pic 3 I numbered two of the ties we do

The one of the right centers the plant over the pot. (kinda hard to see)

Sometimes, if we remember, weâ??ll plant the clone right against one side of the pot so once itâ??s bent it is nicely centered over the pot and doesnâ??t crowed other plants.

Iâ??ll post some pics of real plants next

[harris7]

YEa, i will post the pictures tonight i'm a busy fellow

We also dont always top the plant. The difficulty is to make sure the terminal growth tip dosn't dominate, so you have to keep it tied quite low.

check out third pic in post #51 for an example

[harris7]

you can see in the last pic how the plant can start to crowd the others

[harris7]

and the pics

[Chronic Chrissy]

Totally looks great. When I LST'd last time I pulled my plants more into an S shape. It allowed the bottom shoots of the S get ahead so by the time it came back overtop the canopy was pretty even. They were bushy though. By the time they fully bushed out they were squeezed into the room. They all came out pretty nicely.

[Bree1978]

Yes, one of my plants I pulled into an S shape too. That one I did not top.

Harris7, I like the diagrams.

:jointsmile: Bree

[Abattoir Dream]

that looks like good LST'ing ;)

i had a question, mostly for scarlet, that never got answered... its important too... so here it is..


as for multi topping, whats your method? when i top its from 4th-5th node, how many nodes do you leave between topping when you 'multi-top'..?
also, how long do you leave them to vegg from the last topping to the first day of 12/12?


thnx alot...

[harris7]

me and my frickin double posing:thumbsup:

[harris7]

Chop,

Pics to come in 5 days

[harris7]

oh, anyone have any suggestions on products to buy that will help boost our yield. I'm goin to stop by the grow store soon.

[stinkyattic]

I like that training method- it's identical to the one I use on my mothers to get lots of cloneable growing tips- works well. Nice job.

CRAP I can't rep either of you...
Screw spreading rep round blah blah, you deserve it... fuck.

As much as that debacle with my white rhino herms pissed me off, the finished product from the remaining plant was the most numbing, painkilling strain I've come across. And MTF is very nice... one of you pm me contact info, willya, so we can chat offline?

[canuck grower]

We also dont always top the plant. The difficulty is to make sure the terminal growth tip dosn't dominate, so you have to keep it tied quite low.

I know exactly what you mean with that one and I like doing both as well. That main stem will dominate no matter how low you get it.

[Chronic Chrissy]

that looks like good LST'ing ;)

i had a question, mostly for scarlet, that never got answered... its important too... so here it is..



thnx alot...

Right now I have two northerns that were topped once at the 4th node, and the other two I topped at 4th node then topped those at 3-4 nodes, I was going to see which one I prefered a few more weeks into flower when the become a little more crowded, but I am very tempted to to multitop them all because they are so stickish.

[Pezzo]

well done man

[dutch.lover]

ahem. and woman.

[Chronic Chrissy]

You say you want to increase your yeild, give me some examples of you yeild and what you're using for nutes, I need something the ponder.

[dutch.lover]

on average, between 1/2 and 3/4 of an ounce per plant. The plants are usually a foot and a half tall when they're in flowering. Nutes: Advanced Nutrients Grow, Micro, Bloom; Floralicious from general hydro (bloom booster); vitamax from grotek; growth excel (AN); and Sweet (flavor booster). Also use fish emulsion every now and then to boost soil bacteria, and we usually mix worm castings into the soil when we transplant them.

This is what I think the problem is: not enuff airflow in the room which leads to fluffy buds and weak stems (which discourages bud growth). I also think we should start using molasses in flowering. I was talking to my experienced grower friend and he is a huge fan of FIM-ing, so I think I will read up on that. Any other techniques or suggestions would be awesome!!!

ps: we are moving into a house in the summer, so we are going to improve our grow area. Upgrade to 600 or 1000w's, and get better fans.

[harris7]

So this is one of the other LST techniques we use.
Personally I prefer this one, but that might only be because this plant looks so nice and it is the first weâ??ve done it to.

So you top the plants very young, 4th node at most. Then the few side shoots it has grow out nice and bid (see pic 4)

Then you re-pot the plant right against the side of a larger pot.

Once the side shoots are long enough you strech them out and tie them around the pot.

This tech. doesnâ??t have one main stem like the other but instead has 3-4 branching steams and produces 3-4 middle sized colas and a few small buds.



Pic 1 â?? entire plant (leaf burn from proximity to light)
Pic 2 - you can kinda see how it branches
3- side pic
4- a little guy we have going who is being prepped for this tech
5- a wonderfully artistic rendition of the technique (the dark circle is were the stem meets soil)


harris

[harris7]

I

As much as that debacle with my white rhino herms pissed me off, the finished product from the remaining plant was the most numbing, painkilling strain I've come across. And MTF is very nice... one of you pm me contact info, willya, so we can chat offline?

and how does one PM? i thought we wern't allowed


I'm thinking about buying the product overdrive by A.N. to boost yield
Overdrive | Advanced Nutrients | Budding and Harvest Stimulator (http://www.advancednutrients.com/landing_pages/overdrive_landing.html)

any thoughts?

[stinkyattic]

and how does one PM? i thought we wern't allowed

by leaving a message in reputation

[harris7]

i'll just go spread some rep around

So i've made another thread to discuss our nutrient options,

please check it out and comment here or there

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/109233-little-clarity-nutrient-types-interaction-needed.html#post1337973

[Chronic Chrissy]

on average, between 1/2 and 3/4 of an ounce per plant. The plants are usually a foot and a half tall when they're in flowering. Nutes: Advanced Nutrients Grow, Micro, Bloom; Floralicious from general hydro (bloom booster); vitamax from grotek; growth excel (AN); and Sweet (flavor booster). Also use fish emulsion every now and then to boost soil bacteria, and we usually mix worm castings into the soil when we transplant them.

This is what I think the problem is: not enuff airflow in the room which leads to fluffy buds and weak stems (which discourages bud growth). I also think we should start using molasses in flowering. I was talking to my experienced grower friend and he is a huge fan of FIM-ing, so I think I will read up on that. Any other techniques or suggestions would be awesome!!!

ps: we are moving into a house in the summer, so we are going to improve our grow area. Upgrade to 600 or 1000w's, and get better fans.

I used advanced nutes 3 par, carbo load, cal/mg, and big bud. My smallest northern finshe 1.75 feet tall and gave me 2.5 oz, with 7 plants sharing a 400w.

[dutch.lover]

ok well that's about the same height of plants, same wattage, and same # of plants under the same light. we don't have the same nutes as you though, although we just picked up Bud Blood by AN yesterday and are going to pick up Big Bud as soon as we can find a decent sized one.

[harris7]

yup, crissy do you think we should use a Cal/mag if we arn' seeing any cal or mag problems?

[Chronic Chrissy]

I would even just at half doses, apparently they really need it, my Afghanis rarely showed def signs but really picked up after getting it. I'm just buying a few new products every few months and following their nute calculator.

[dutch.lover]

we harvested Mud Bud two days ago, no pics tho cause it was done quickly and hastily sorry:( we got 21 grams off her, so close to the yield of our previous girls. the next plants to be chopped are champagne and dutch treat, both showing a few amber trichs so last feeding will be tonight, with a flush to come in the next few days. champagne is looking nice and fat, and dutch treat is sooooo frosty! the top leaves are white with trichomes!! will take pics soon, but internet has been down so we'll see how it goes

[dutch.lover]

Soooo, I somewhat feel like weâ??ve been misleading you.
We havenâ??t been having a harvest every 10 days, gosh were is our creditability

This is because weâ??ve been in a lil dry spell and in the next twenty days (till 4/20)
Weâ??ll be harvesting 5 plants. Or at least thatâ??s what my schedule is telling me

We chopped the last plant who had a lot of stress, it wasnâ??t too impressive. Dutch mentioned it. So here are some pics of the up and coming harvests.

Iâ??m very happy with them, they each have their qualities.

1â??This is the Muti plant pot, which was a very successful experiment (champagne)
2,3-- I call her frosty (dutch treat)
4,5â??(Mud) It is only on week 6.5! and has already produced the biggest bud yet

[harris7]

oo and i posted under a false identity

[Shovelhandle]

Beautiful looking plants, folks!

Shovelhandle

[harris7]

So heres a good story,

yesterday dutch was feeding the plants and, click. the MH turns off So she unplugs it, allows a few min for the cooling cycle, then plugs it back in and it begins turning on. (poor story so far)

when she came home from work, light was off again. so i fiddled around with it, and nothing.

luckly i'm holding my buds 400W mh ballast, so i switched up the ballasts.
and still nothing (good, our ballast is fine)

so we assumed it was a burnt out bulb.
got a new bulb.

still nothing...

after this long process of elemination that left only the wiring between the ballast and the bulb.

took all that apart and found one of the wires had melted and caught fire.
somewhat concerning.

But we invested in all that saftey stuff and it all worked and no problems

any ideas how the wire could carry enough current to melt?

heres a pic

[Scarlet Sky]

power surge. do all of your lights come on at the same time? if so, you may want to consider staggering them by five minutes, to allow the amperage to level out...

other than that, i don't know...

[harris7]

no our lights come on 6 hours apart.
And we've only got two 400Wers

but we dont really know when it happend as dutch was at work.

what else could cause a surge, could our ballast be F'ed?

should i not worry about it?

[Scarlet Sky]

the only other possibility i see is that the wire connection may have been loose, and cause an arc/spark, that fried the wire. when you rewire, make sure those suckers are permanently secure...

[Gatekeeper777]

so by cutting a few leaves off i can get he to produce more resin?

[Scarlet Sky]

that looks like good LST'ing ;)

i had a question, mostly for scarlet, that never got answered... its important too... so here it is..



thnx alot...

when i multi top, i make my first top at five nodes, i top the top two after two node, and top the next imediately, making a plant that looks like ten, all on one stalk.

[Lord Dangly Bits]

Hi there everyone.
I have to ask something. Why would you cut away the fan leaves to let light hit the buds? Buds are the Fruit of the Plant. Apples, Tomatoes, Grapes, Strawberries.. and so on, and so on. Do not have any Photo sythesist abiliities.. This is why the plant has Leaves. My self, I can care less if the buds get light. But I do like, my inside small leafs to get some light. But I try my best to never cut away fan leafs. I think of these fan leafs like the Bears fat stores for the winter time. When the plant thinks winter has hit, it will suck out what it can from the fan leafs. But if there is no fan leafs,, it goes hungry.

Just my thought. I am just another idiot trying to grow a plant. :stoned:

[harris7]

Hi there everyone.
I have to ask something. Why would you cut away the fan leaves to let light hit the buds? Buds are the Fruit of the Plant. Apples, Tomatoes, Grapes, Strawberries.. and so on, and so on. Do not have any Photo sythesist abiliities.. This is why the plant has Leaves. My self, I can care less if the buds get light. But I do like, my inside small leafs to get some light. But I try my best to never cut away fan leafs. I think of these fan leafs like the Bears fat stores for the winter time. When the plant thinks winter has hit, it will suck out what it can from the fan leafs. But if there is no fan leafs,, it goes hungry.

Just my thought. I am just another idiot trying to grow a plant. :stoned:

We do not cut away the leafs to allow light to hit the buds,

I personally donâ??t believe it matters what part of the plant the light hits.
The purpose of the leafs is to photosynthesizes, so let them do their thing.
I havenâ??t found a single person who would recommend that, too stressful.
And yes they need the stored nutrients for when you cut off fertilizer near the end

What we were talking about is cutting the fan leafs off in the last few days, to make the plant think it is being eaten and have a self defensive reaction (produce resin)

We plan to test this thought out next year with a suitable sample size.

Ps- Buds arenâ??t fruit they are the flowers. Cannabis doesnâ??t produce fruit just seeds

And fruits, apples tomatoes grapes, do photosynthesizes when they are green.

[stinkyattic]

Wow guys I am so happy to see that things are safe with that wire all melted, shit, that's scary.
Where'd you get those lights?
Is there a ground wire?
Did you have them on a GFI circuit?

What causes heat is high resistance in the line...and that can come from more current than the smallest (in terms of maximum load.. determined by material and diameter of the conductor) part of the circuit can carry... for example a bad solder connection or a pinched wire.

If the burned point is within the light, having your lights come on staggered will do absolutely nothing for you. That would be the fix if you were popping breakers, or were concerned about questionable (for example knob-and-tube or 1940's style aluminum, scary!) house wiring.
Problems within the light- you[re going to have to troubleshoot it, crap.

Hmmm what else... oh yeah! Calmag!

My girl Foxy was having major problems with her last run of clones and I talked to the fertilizer guy about it.
Despite bleaching the prop trays etc and using sterile tools, the slips started developing necrotic patches within days of coming off the plant, and this despite a nice mist of copper fungicide 2x a day.
Guy said that it sounded like a Ca problem and showed me his cucumber and melon plants, which are VERY heavy feeders and seem to need extra Ca indoors, and they had been showing pretty similar problems... parts of an otherwise healthy leaf just going brown and papery while the rest of the leaf stayed fine... weird.
Anyway she's starting to prep her moms with calmag now and we'll see how the next run goes.
BTW this became a problem when she switched my old moms to coco when she took them over. Very interesting. I had always assumed our city water had plenty of dissolved Ca in it...
Ima go repost this in her log too.

[harris7]

How to know if nutrient companies love you...

and

some seeds that just germinated.
my friend grew them cross : Columbian Red x Grapefruit




ps- Stinky, should the accutal socket be grounded too? My understanding is that it shouldn't as it isn't electronic and i've never seen a light bulb with one

the ballast is grounded

[thecreator]

Damn another log to fall in love with. Those are some nice buds.

[harris7]

thanks,
ps

this log will soon become an indoor/outdoor log

the seeds are for the outdoors mainly

[stinkyattic]

ps- Stinky, should the accutal socket be grounded too? My understanding is that it shouldn't as it isn't electronic and i've never seen a light bulb with one

See that's weird; I have always believed the socket SHOULD be grounded! The Sun Systems 10s I have DO have grounded sockets, But my Inside Sun lights don't have grounded sockets. And YES I bitched to the owner about it. WTF.
Maybe that's a Q for the geeks in indoor lighting.

[dutch.lover]

Big Bud was missing in that pic Harris. lol.

Anyways, the next few months shall be exciting! We are intensfying our grow to prepare for our move into a house in the summer. We are eventually gonna tear down the middle wall in our closet, and make the whole area a flowering chamber, and do any other vegging under our T5. So we are going to be harvesting a lot of plants really soon, and putting a whole bunch into flower really soon! Exciting stuff!

3 plants are getting ready to be chopped, in eventual order of appearance: Dutch Treat, Mud Bud, and Champagne. They should all be cut in the next week. They were taking longer to flower than expected, so we need to check for light leaks.

[1chronic]

Ohh three more chops on the way. I'll have to check back soon.

[harris7]

the only other possibility i see is that the wire connection may have been loose, and cause an arc/spark, that fried the wire. when you rewire, make sure those suckers are permanently secure...

I dont know what the connection was like. it was wired by the "grow store guy"

i'll make sure i do it right when i do it

thaks

[harris7]

heres a pic of the nice plant i put into flowering yesterday
our flowering room is packed to the rafters with 8 plants!

i crammed this one in because were moving in 9.5 weeks so it should be finished by then. and we wont have to move it

we might be putting a plant into 24 horus darkness tongiht b4 the chop

i'll update when i get home if we are.

harris

[harris7]

so this marks the end of the multiplant experiment

unfortunatly we will learn little because we added a bloom fert. near the end

so if it yields well we wont know why 100%

so we copped it and it's been drying for a day now.

the buds are much denser and heavier than b4


and heres a pic of the many seedlings we have

[harris7]

So we've been chopping and trimming left and right. I'll go through all the pics we took and post some good ones ASAP.

but right now were dealing with a little problem with some seedlings
see pics

Dutch thinks it might be bug damage. I think it's because they're growing so fast it's causing deficiencis. As some are light green and the damage is working it's way up from the lower leafs.

sounds like a moblie nute problem. BUt, they are still too small, IMO, to be having nute problems. I have them 1/4 strength Fert today. We'll see

what to yall think?

[Markass]

So we've been chopping and trimming left and right. I'll go through all the pics we took and post some good ones ASAP.

but right now were dealing with a little problem with some seedlings
see pics

Dutch thinks it might be bug damage. I think it's because they're growing so fast it's causing deficiencis. As some are light green and the damage is working it's way up from the lower leafs.

sounds like a moblie nute problem. BUt, they are still too small, IMO, to be having nute problems. I have them 1/4 strength Fert today. We'll see

what to yall think?

I don't really know what it could be...but to be honest I don't think the plant would already be having nute defs this early in its life...how long since they broke the soil?

[harris7]

not long they grow Very fast under the T5 maybe 7-10 days

The T5 is such a good light (and on 24/7) its been common in our grow that clones would grow so fast they'd get N def. Even with good amounts of Fert added. The problems disapear once put under 18/6 MH

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, harris7 and dutch.lover (who I haven't seen on in a while). It was nice looking at this log. Its a bummer that things didn't work out as planned, but we always learn, right. Hope you get a hold of that LYD asap. Looking forward to your new setup and more great stuff from you guys. Enjoy those meds, friends. :)


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[harris7]

HOLY FUCK.

You know that mythological hermi that only produces 1 pollen sack.
you never find out about it but it seeds all you girls...

well, this little plant came pretty close. A hermi producing less than 6 pollen sacks hidden within all her nice buds

quite upsetting. But, on the bright side many of the sacks werenâ??t mature and the larger ones looked deformed so Maybe,,,, just maybe no pollen

im an optimist

[dutch.lover]

I trimmed a plant a few days ago and noticed what appeared to be a male pollen sack buried in the bud also, as it was all dried up it was hard to tell. We possibly had light leaks in the flowering chamber a while back so that could explain it.

I think we are manicuring a plant tonight so if the internet is still working (its working this morning, keep your fingers crossed!) we will post pics! Keep checking back, sorry I am not around to post more often.

[1chronic]

Ouch, hopefully no pollen is right, what a pain.

[horror business]

i was thinking... if every lateral branch minus the top 4 were removed... would it focus all energy on the main cola..? maybe not.. i guess the leaves at the top can only take in a certain amount of light... what if every lateral branch (other than the main cola) were to be removed, but all fan leaves where left on... would the plant produce a boulder of a top cola??? i wonder if anyone has looked into this?!? maybe someone has some useful notes floating around?

That's what Arjan (The King of Cannabis) does to his plants a few weeks before flowering. Well somewhat. He removes quite a few nodes and their lateral growth at the bottom. His reasons are: better airflow, it makes it more difficult for any small animal to clime into the plant, and he says it focuses the energy into the main colas, which become extremely bushy. Arjan's company Greenhouse Seed Company has many documentaries following many of his strain's life, until harvest. They are available on YouTube. Just search for "Greenhouse Seed Company".

[theelectrician]

what about transpiration that would directly affect the branch and whole plant the plantsneed the big leaves to pull water up the plant i think generally leave the fan leaves if u can especially if there real healthy and gettin plenty of light

[theelectrician]

most likely loose wire connection and using a heavier wire size is good and an inline fuseright at the ballast is also good icehouse beer is good gfci protection is also good but sometimes a pain recommend it tho

[OahuLocal]

Any recent Pics?