!!!!!!!!

[srhksr]

I just got my order in from seedbay today. my first outdoor grow will consist of:

1. 10 - Durban Poison

2. 10 - Hollands Hope

3. 10 - New Purple Power

4. 10 - NL47 (FREEBIE)

5. 5 - a mountain strain mix (FREEBIE)

6. 3 - Godbud x Dreamweaver (from an old purchase)

7. 3 - out of an outdoor mix FEM (from an old purchase)

8. 1 - Great White Shark FEM (from an old purchase)

If anyone is able to give me some info or tips/pointers for any strain of these would probably help me big time. And I would also like to know of any bug or pest prevention methods. I would like for this to run as smooth as possible, but will need much help for that to happen. I'm not starting the seeds for another month, so i have some time to research and learn from the wise people on these boards. Thanks:rastasmoke:

[unclebob]

Hey there Srhksr,

Sounds like some really great choices there for a good variety of finished buds. The very best tip I can give you for your first outdoor run, is that finding the best planting spots, and thourough preparation of the planting beds / holes is without doubt the main key to getting good results. If you have not already done that part, I suggest getting on it right away like today. It always takes alot more time and effort than you would guess. You can not go out as one person and do it all in one day. If you have any specific questions, post them here and myself and others will try and answer as best we can.

The very best of luck to you...

bob

[srhksr]

Thanks bob. variety was the idea! and hopefully i get a good germ, female/male ratio. i am not 100% sure if bugs will be a huge problem but i think that is my main concern. i heard of something called liquid kelp that is basically a very mild soap comes in a spray bottle at most garden stores. anyone know about this?

[dbfr3sh]

where do u live in america? when r u planning on growing them outside? are u starting them indoors first?

[unclebob]

Hey

Bugs are not usually much of a problem outdoors. You may get a few leaves with holes in them, but that's usually about it and they do not hurt anything. These plants are not real susceptable to bugs outside. I had way more often problems with bugs years ago when I grew indoors. I guess it depends on exactly where you are at, but not much of a prob here in the SE US. No, I have not tried the kelp, but I can suggest Neem oil as a safe and natural insectacide, if you find you need to spray them. Neem also acts as a fundicide. A more common problem than bugs I hear is deer, but then again it would depend on where you are planting. I dont have much deer problems but many people say they do. Personally, I have always just spread out some peices of soap around my gardens for good measure, and I have never had much of a deer problem. I dont use any wire or fence or special repelants or anything. I plant all different types of flowers and vegies and no deer problems. We do have lots of deer around here too.

Anyway,

good luck and I hope you get to try all that variety

bob

[nitepharmer]

Not many growers are outdoors for a reason, it'a damned dangerous. Please be careful, growing fifty or so plants outside in the good ole US of A is only done by the very smart or the very stupid, I don't know you. I don't know which one you are. I know how to minimize risk, do you?

[nitepharmer]

that statement was a bit harsh, but understand, I'm just concerned

[unclebob]

Yes,I agree. I did not really notice the # of seeds. If you are planning on germinating and planting all of those this year, that's quite an ambitious plan for your first outdoor go around. If you have not done it yet, you will find that just preparing that many holes will take you about a half a lifetime if you do them right. Anyhooo - just a couple more suggestions:
Number 1 - be carefull. Dont put more than a couple or few in any one place. Spread out your risk and your potential benefit. Choose spots wisely. I've done this type of garden preparation and planting quite a few times, and I dont do anywhere near 50. Whatever you decide I hope you get the best possible results..:thumbsup:

bob

[srhksr]

I appreciate ur concern bob and nitepharmer. I am not going to be planting all of these seeds at once lol. im looking to have one female of each at the end of the season hopefully. if it doesnt happen it doesnt happen as i will be growing some indoors after the season ends. but thanks for the info on the bugs bob. and nitepharmer i didnt consider ur post harsh, actually i appreciate the personal input u have given me. has anybody heard of any special outdoor growing techniques? ive heard that if you veg a plant indoors til its about 5 feet tall. put it outdoors at the beginning of the outdoor season. but when u plant it, bury it so only 6 inches remain out of the dirt. and this will mainly turn into root beneath the surface and get you very very huge plants. just something i had heard from a friend. any input?

[bejay]

strain and growing conditions is really all that affects plant size and when planting you can plant slightly deeper like a few inches if needed such as up to the first set of leaves, but no you cant bury a 5 ft plant and leave 6 inches sticking out of the ground.

[nitepharmer]

I'm an experienced, successful and SAFE outdoor grower and I'm here for one reason. To share my knowledge like the old pros at overgrow shared with me. I know this sounds brash but I know my shit, I know how to turn one seed into a half pound of good clean bud. Fire away questions, I'm here to share.

[unclebob]

Hey
Some like to plant it so that a few inches of the healthy plant go under the dirt level and its supposed to help stem strength. Personally, I would not plant it much more than even or maybe an inch below level. Definitely do not plant it several feet below level. :thumbsup: Also, most ppl grow a plant indoors for maybe 2-3 weeks before putting it outside. Dont grow it 4-5 ft as that would take months. The transplant shock would probably kill it. Not to mention that you would need to dig an enourmas grow spot to make it happen. Remeber that the hole for any type of plant should be at least 2.5 times the size of its current pot. A five foot tree would be in like a 7-10 gallon pot.

For best results dig up at least a 2X2 spot or better for each single 2-3 week old plant. Turn the dirt over several times, remove debris and amend it thoroughly. Put your plant out in this amended hole early after the last threat of frost. :)


bob

[srhksr]

just in the air. never seen it done just heard of it. so basically veg until its about 8 to 12 inches tall and then put outside? should i dig a hole and fill it with potting soil or just mix up the ground soil and place it in there? i have done 2 indoor grows the first was not very pleasing the second one turned out good. probably mostly because i had purchased good genetics on seeday. but i feel i know quite a bit about the indoor potting ad growing but the outdoor thing is brand new to me. and i really dont know much at all about it. so everybody, thanks for all ur info. im open to all constructive criticism and pointers thanks.:rasta:


i forgot has anybody had any experience with nl47? i thought i struck good gettin 10 of those for free! does not give me the breeder name but i do know thats what they r.

[dbfr3sh]

id suggest makin an organic mix and put it in a trash bag, dig the hole and place the bag inside it and use the bag as a pot...member to put little holes at the bottom so the water can get out. ive been growing outdoors for a little while and i just dig a hole and place a 5-gallon bucket inside of it; just in case u ever need to move them

[SaanenGoats]

Damn srhksr, I ordered both the Hollands Hope and the Purple Power... sadly only the Hollands Hope came through :( :( . I have a five of them in a closet grow right now, but man, are they stinky! Anyhow, let me know how the PP turns out...

I'm hopeing to go outdoors this season too but I'd like to plant clones... once I got the cloning thing down. Right now I'm just destroying bits of my plant. From all of my non-existent experience, I'd totally agree: Prepare, prepare, prepare. (I'm having a crazy amount of fun scoping out my grow sites, wasting far too much gas prowling backroads I didn't know exist. As soon as the snow goes, I'll be out there doing my gopher impression.) Anyhow... sorry I can't give you any help, other than the support of a fellow grower with similar goals.

Cheers!

[killacheeba]

I'm an experienced, successful and SAFE outdoor grower and I'm here for one reason. To share my knowledge like the old pros at overgrow shared with me. I know this sounds brash but I know my shit, I know how to turn one seed into a half pound of good clean bud. Fire away questions, I'm here to share.

I appreciate the sentiment nitepharmer. Is there anyway you or uncle bob could post a step by step set up of a 3-5 plant grow site outdoors. Including the soil mix, and nutrients.

A list of how to feed your plants throughout the grow would also be greatly appreciated.


I've looked for info on this, but it seems to be rare.


Whatever you can share would be awesome.

[unclebob]

OK

Here is a brief overview of a successful outdoor op step by step. The following quantities and sizes are for a 2 plant site. You can adjust accordingly. I suggest no more than 2-3 together anyway, but that's up to you. These steps are just my opinion based on my experience, so others may vary. Remeber - NEVER do the main preparation on the day you bring out your seedlings. Always do it seperately and bring them out at a later date.

STEP ONE one is most important of all and probably the most overlooked. Chose your site wisely. It must be full or almost full sun. This means complete unobstructed overhead sun and at least a little to the sides, especially the south side. Best areas are those where the woods has been cleared or burned recently and now there is re-growth maybe 6-15 ft high. Small trees mixed in with brush, weeds, thorns etc. It should offer full sun but still be private enough to avoid detection. Try to stay 40 feet or more from any older taller trees.

STEP TWO Prepare the bed thouroughly. This is the second most important step. A thouroughly prepared bed will make the difference between one stunted plant that produces 1/2 OZ of medium quality flower to one giant plant that produces 1/4 to 1/2 lb of high quality. First for 2 plants turn over the soil in an area 3 X 6 ft. This is much harder that you think its going to be, because when you try to dig in a place that has not been dug before its like trying to dig through solid rock. Its all full of live roots and rocks that must be tediously removed. Turn it down to 10-12 inches several times over and remove every little piece of root, rock, stick, etc. Next add organic amendments at a rate of obout 16-20 dry quarts for this size bed. Spread it out evenluy and turn it down to about 6-8 inches. Mix it up good. You can use anything. I like a mix of 50% peat and 50% high grade indoor type plant mix. You can also add dried grass, weeds, straw, leaves and such from nearby ground if you do this in the fall so it has time to compost naturally. If you do it now, skip that step.
STEP 3 - Add water crystals at a rate of about 1.25 the rate suggested on the bottle. This step is crucial. Only mix it down to about 4-5 inches.
STEP 4 Even out the sururface. Pour a little water on a small spot. Wait two minutes and insert the probe of a battery op PH meter. If the PH is over 6.5, leave it be. If it's 6.0 - 6.5, spread out approx 3/4 - 1 cup of pulverized powdered type lime. If its under 6.0, spread out maybe 1.5 - 2 cups. I dont really measure mine so these rates are approximate. Turn the lime in ONLY down to about 1-2 inches.
STEP 5 If it's fall, add 1/2 dose of TR ferts at this time. If its spring do not.
STEP 6 - cover the bed with natural mulch from the area like dead grass, straw, leaves, sticks , branches etc.
STEP 7 - Take a tree saw and cut any branches nearby or small trees needed to get in full sun. Small trees can be cut 1/5 through and snapped over but still connected and that way also funtion as a natural fence / traffic deterrent.
STEP 8 - Come back with your seedlings on a different day in spring after the last frost. Remove mulch. Spread out a full dose of TR ferts and lightly rake in with a small hand held garden claw / rake. With a small trowel, dig a hole about 2 times the size of the cup or pot your seedling is in. Place the plant in and backfill with high grade plant mix. You may also add a small say 16 inch square of landscape fabric around each plant with a hole in the middle and a slit to the outside so you can put it around the plant. Have them ready and pre-cut before you get there. Cover the fabric lightly with dirt. Water each plant about 3/4 - 1.0 liter all around. Re-cover the remainder of the bed with mulch and get the heck out of there quick. The entire Step 8 should take no more than 3 minutes start to finish.
STEP 9 - Return and water again in 2-3 days depending on weather conditions. In and out quick (about 2-3 minutes).
STEP 10 - Return in approx. 3 weeks to check. Remove any large competing weeds. Water again however much you can easily carry in. Get out quick.
STEP 11 - Leave them alone for the next couple months. Check occassionally if you can.
STEP 12 Start checking when they are getting close to finish time. If you only put out 1-2 strains you can use indicators. This means plant one small one of the same strain late in the mid summer in a small, not well prepared hole or pot close to your home. You can then watch this one to get an idea where your others probably are in terms of finish time.

Best of luck to you this year:thumbsup:

bob

[srhksr]

thanks a lot to everybody who answered. i got a lot of good info. nitepharmer, appreciate ur concern and would like to wish u luck this year if u intend to go outside this season. bob, good luck to you this year also. and i think most of all what ill take from here is the preperation of the beds. i will actually be heading out to do that shortly! thanks again everybody

srhksr

[srhksr]

SaanenGoats , sorry to here u only got one of ur packets of beans. but good luck with ur hollands hope. and keep me updated as i will u. oh and thanks for the support also lol. not everyone can give u something new, but maybe a new prospective on something u already have! thanks


srhksr

[killacheeba]

THANKS uncle bob, much appreciated. what about the addition of perlite for better drainage?

[unclebob]

Dont use any perlite outdoors here, because the addition of plenty of organic matter provides good root airation and drainage. Your conditions and requirement may vary, depending on the natural soil type in your area. All my recent posts are based on natural conditions here in central eastern AL.

bob

[nitepharmer]

prepare your sites late in the fall
buy the best seeds at the internet mall
grow them indoors till eight inches tall
then plant them outdoors, hardly visiting at all
and you'll be rewarded with a great haul


That is just the nitepharmer way, everybody is different because everybody outdoors grows in radically different locations. Most sites you have to bust ass hauling in organic goodies because the existing soil isn't good enough. Since I'm lazy and my sites are a two mile walk from the nearest road so I looked for sites with exceptionally rich vegetation, After years of trail and error I found two sites that my three week old indoor grown seedlings really take off at. All I have to do is turn over the very rich soil, mixing in a 20-10-10 chemical fertilizer, with micronutrients added and I'm good to go. I found that fighting weeds, expecially grasses, involves multiple return trips for weeding and the nitepharmer is all about minimal return visits, so I lay down a four foot patch of landscape fabric which I cover with an inch of dirt. The end result is a much bigger plant because it isn't competing with the other weeds in the area for the fertilizer and organic goodies that have been mixed into the soil. I suggest you spends hours reading past posts where questions are asked that are of interest to you. The name of the game is safety, preparation before you plant means minimal visits after the plants are growing

[killacheeba]

thanks for the info nitepharmer