First Grow

[FredfromDesire]

Hello All!

So, I guess this is all about trial and error. Plants seem to be ok after two weeks. Bit of yellow on a few of them, but I strongly believe I did some overwatering. Also, I live in Central Europe, so the language barrier does not help too. Unfortunately, I think I have a bit of nute burn too. Yes, stupid me, I gave them some nutes (Plagron Terra Grow) after 13 days. I only gave them a half of the dosage, however after reading everyone's posts, I should wait at least another week till I give them about a quarter of that. I have them under a 400 W sodium light.

Will keep you updated. Please wish me luck!

Peace from Praha!

[Nocturnal Stoner]

good luck man 2/3 of the plants are looking good, flush the other two, but apart from that they look good,keep it up and keep us posted.

Peace

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks mate! I realize I have to flush them, but to be honest, I am a bit nervous about doing it. I have read quite a lot about how to do it, so looks like that is the best course of action. Thank you for your insight!

[4x5]

just give fresh water for awhile, flushing may be counter-productive this early in life (there's not much to flush yet).

[TheGreenFog]

I agree. I would feed them with plain pH-correct h2o for a week or two more and them start them off with 25%-50% veg nutrients and work your way up from there.

Good luck with your grow.

Why does your 'country' say US if you are in Europe? :)

Be cool. Rasta.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[FredfromDesire]

Hey...
Thanks so much for your input! Yes, I appreciated the advice in regards to the flushing, but I decided not to do it. From your advice, I will hold off on the nutes and just use the 6.8 water I have concocted. I live in Central Europe, but I am an American. Guess I should change that as I am not in the states, just a proud American is all. :)

Thanks again and I will send some photos soon!

Peace from Praha!

[Green Thumb]

Hello All!

So, I guess this is all about trial and error. Plants seem to be ok after two weeks. Bit of yellow on a few of them, but I strongly believe I did some overwatering. Also, I live in Central Europe, so the language barrier does not help too. Unfortunately, I think I have a bit of nute burn too. Yes, stupid me, I gave them some nutes (Plagron Terra Grow) after 13 days. I only gave them a half of the dosage, however after reading everyone's posts, I should wait at least another week till I give them about a quarter of that. I have them under a 400 W sodium light.

Will keep you updated. Please wish me luck!

Peace from Praha!

how did it take seeds mine are goin so slow been 5 days and tails i can see b ut just dont wanna come out

[FredfromDesire]

Patience my friend, patience! From my very, very limited experience and reading several posts on here, it appears things go wrong a hell of a lot more times than right. Sounds odd, but you kind of have to get a feel for them. This is my first grow, however I realized not to water them today (will be 3 days then) and definitely hold off on the nutes till later. They look much better today.

[FredfromDesire]

So, cut down on the watering and holding off on the nutes till next week. I think they look a bit better. Yep, still some yellow on the leaves, but I think I have it under control for the time being.

Thanks for your support!

Peace from Praha!

[blank_21]

Hi There

Dont worry about the yellow on the leaves, my biggest plant at the moment had
slightly burnt leaves when it was a seedling, now its a beast, go check them out :rastasmoke:

I have a 400w Metall Halide for Veg and a 400w High Pressure Sodium for Flowering. You should do the same, a HPS isn't so good for veg,not enough blue spectrum.

Anyways good luck on your grow =D
Peace

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks for the support. I am using a 400 W High Pressure Sodium for veg and I can agree with you, it is not ideal. Every morning they look like they have been beaten to shit. I open up the door, give em a bit of water and some air from outside and they pep up in about an hour. I am still not exactly sure how low to keep the lamp. I have six plants and it seems like I am adjusting the bloody thing every other day. The plants seem like they get really dehydrated every night, so I am trying to find a solution. Saturday will be the third week and I am going to give them about 25% of the suggested nutes. I am still playing with the water too. Damn rookie I am! :)

Peace from Praha!

[oomlahs]

Your plants look fine, good luck! :thumbsup:
I think you don't have to worry about HPS, I use 250W for 2 plants, they are 20 days old now and look very healthy (however, I use a DWC hydro, probably it corrects some possible problems with light).
I keep the bulb at 60cm (24") distance from the substrat surface (but please note, I have 250W - in your case the distance must differ).
A few questions:
1. What are your plants strains?
2. What is about airing, what do you use?
3. Environment temperature?

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks Oomlah for your message!

Ok, I am going to sound like an idiot, but not exactly sure of the strains question. Sorry :( I am using a somewhat large computer type fan that unfortunately does not oscilate. It gets kind of cold in my closet as I live in Central Europe and there is a bit of a draft in the room. It is hard for me to control it, so sometimes it is like 8 to 10 c in there, yes, a bit cold. At night the plants look great, but when I wake up in the morning, they look like hell. After about two hours, they perk up again. I think they are getting dehydrated easily. Could be an issue with my soil, or me just underwatering. I realize they are to be watered every 2/3 days, but I sometimes find myself giving them a bit of water daily because they tend to droop. I am just having your typical problems of controlling the temp, water and proper light distance. I am still learning. These photos were just taken and this is day 20. Will be giving them 1/4 nutes tomorrow.

[Scarlet Sky]

you are ready for nutes, and you'd be safe running that 400 two feet above, no less than 18 inches. i overkilled by keeping my veg light to low... i now utilize a 4x8 area in veg with only a single 400w mh, no stretching, everyone's happy and no heat stress/dehydration...

[FredfromDesire]

I now have it at 50 cm/ 20 inches. They seem much happier! :) I am going to give them some nutes tomorrow morning. I am quite sure it was heat/stress because my lamp was too low and I was not giving them enough water. I am sure you have read on here to put your on top of the plant and if your hand does not get hot, than the plants will be ok. Was not the case with mine. They were getting beat up under the light as it was about 10 inches on top of them. Strong buggers as they always seem to recoupe, however I know it did not help their overall growth.

Thanks so much for your insight!

Peace-

[blank_21]

Heya

My 400w MH is 45cm from the top of the plants and doing great.
Watering wise you should water when the top 2 inches of soil is dry, how often you water depends on your soil and the size of your pots, small pots dry out fast under HID lighting, i used to water every 2 days in my little pots, after transplanting to bigger pots i only water every 5 days.

Im using a soiless mix (1/3 coco,1/3 vermiculite,1/3 Perlite)

Peace :rastasmoke:

P.s On your next grow ORDER SEEDS!!!

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks for the input. Going to water them tonight with the first dosage of nutes. Will give them between 25 to 50% of recommended dosage. Took this photo this morning. I think they look half decent.

My seems came from Amsterdam. Dutch Passion and the name of the seed is "Sensible."

Hope the plants take to the nutes. Thanks again!

[blank_21]

Mmmmmm i was stoned when i posted and cant rememba why i told you to order seeds.......:S5:

Anyways glad you not using random seeds!

Peace:D

[FredfromDesire]

No worries man! :) Looks like they took to the nutes quite well. Gave them about 40% or so of the recommended dosage. I have found out that my soil mix is fine, however it tends to dry out quite quickly. I have to water them every day and a half or so, however I don't think it is that big of an issue at the moment. The 400W is about 45 cm above the plants and I am thinking I will just keep it at that height for the time being. The nutes were Plagron Terra Grow. Will do another week or so at 50% and then increase the dosgage.

Best!

Peace from Praha-

[FredfromDesire]

Forgot the recent photo

[rev]

Lookin good. Mine are @ about the same stage and I'm going to nute them for the first time today. I over did it with my last crop. There's always that temptation to give them as much as they can handle but err on the side of too little! you can always give them more, but flushing 2 @ this young stage is ofter a prob!

Here's a pic of mine

[PatrickHenry]

looking good. i'll keep my eye on your thread.

[FredfromDesire]

Looking good Rev! Looks like we are just about neck and neck! Good luck to you! I will keep up the photos and it would be great if you could do so too. Just watered them again this morning, but did not feed them. I will wait till Wednesday for that. Thanks for the advice! Best-

[rev]

Thanks Fred! I'm curious when you were planning on transplanting. Also light schedule & enviro temps. This is the stage where they really shoot up! Lookin good.

-rev

[FredfromDesire]

Hey Rev- well, they are in my closet and they can get a bit cold. To be honest, I am not exactly sure of the temp in there, however I need to start monitoring it as I realize it will be an issue. I think I need to transplant within a week or so. They are starting to move big time and they took to their first feeding really well. Only watered them today and will wait to feed on Wednesday. I am on a 18/6 and will go to 12/12 in about 20 days or so.

[FredfromDesire]

Been moving the lamp up again as the tops are a little bit dark. Have it at about 50 cm. Was tempted to move it down a little, but think it is fine right where it is. What would you recommend in regards to transplanting? How many days you reckon? What are you planning on?

Thanks so much!

[FredfromDesire]

I have been suffocating these poor ladies (hopefully) at night while the 400W Sodium light shines down on them. Basically, I have noticed I have really bad ventilation and it has been getting damn hot in that closet. The plants tend to experience heat stress and then the water dries up. Could be my soil which I am going to alter once I transplant. Either case, they always seem to perk up, however I need to keep the stress down. I sometimes find myself having to water almost daily as they wither and droop each morning. My light is at 50 cm and I am not planning on bringing it down because some of the other plants have some burn marks on the top.

As this is my first grow, I am learning something new everyday, however they don't look half bad.

Peace from Praha!

[Trainer07]

dUNNO WHY EVERYONE WAITS SO LONG TO GET THEIR PLANTS FERTILIZED AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND NOT TO OVERFEED WHEN YOUNG, THE PLANTS WILL TAKE IT ALL DAY LONG AND FORM STRONGER BRANCHES,GROW QUICKER AND PRODUCE MORE LEAVES/BRANCHES/FLOWERS

[PatrickHenry]

if you have the space it's probably a good time to transplant.

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks so much for the advice. Problem is, I really don't have that much space. I have read on here to wait till they show sex, but that won't be for another 3 weeks or so. Going to have to think of something...

[rev]

Hey Fred!

Just droppin by. I would transplant if at all possible, tho I'm putting mine off too! I have the room, but not the pots. Do you have a thermometer and humidity guage. The little digital ones are like 15 bucks. I live by those numbers, and Ph...

If and when you transplant, you'll notice an explosion of growth.
-make sure soil & water are 70 deg farenhieght, and simular to what they're in now
- make sure they are ph'd
-No nutes! for the 1st few days...
-be very gentle w/ the root ball

Look forward to seeing what happens!

-rev

[FredfromDesire]

Hey Rev! Nice to hear from you. Actually, I don't have a thermometer or humidity gauge. I ran out of the - ph factor a few days ago and need to go get some today. My soil dries out in a day and my plants tend to get very droopy. I am thinking I need to transplant very soon. You are right!

Thanks for the advice on the transplant. I am not incredibly happy with my soil now as I think it is aiding the drying out process. I will make the proper adjustment to it once I transplant. Lots of craziness with this growing, huh? It is almost kind of an emotional experience. :) So, thanks again for your help and I will definetly keep you posted.

Best!

[FredfromDesire]

Looks like I will be transplanting tomorrow. I was going to see if I could hold it off to determine sex, but thinking that might be another two weeks and I should not risk it.

Hope everyone is well!

[PatrickHenry]

looks good. post some pics when you transplant.

[FredfromDesire]

Hey...
Thanks for the support. Transplant went well I guess. My only problem is they start to get really stressed about the 12th hour under the lights. Problem is I have really poor ventilation and they tend to droop and wither. Once the light goes out, they perk right up and are ready for the next day's beating. Either case, they are quite resilient and are looking quite good. I have about 12 more days of vegetation.

Thank you for the advice to transplant. They really needed it.

Peace!

[FredfromDesire]

One day after transplant!

[FredfromDesire]

Ready to be topped.

[4x5]

How big are those pots? (3 liter?) you need 1 gallon for every foot and a quarter; sorry bout the stupid american weights and measures. I go start to finish in 3 gallon pots; and mine rarely get taller than a controlled 2.5 feet. I'd don't want to make you paranoid, i'd just hate to see them get rootbound during flowering.

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks so much for the message and advice! I unfortunately have very limited space. I really don't want to, but might have to transplant them again. I think it would most likely not be recommended, however I could do that after I determine the sex. Either case, I appreciate the help!

Best-

[FredfromDesire]

So, yes, I know they need to be in bigger pots. :( Either case, they look quite healthy.

[Tomthehippie]

Looking Nice man! :D

[FredfromDesire]

Thanks Tom! This is my first grow, however I am almost convinced the two on the left, front row and back row, and the one in the middle back row, are males. Don't know why, but just a hunch. They are only growing tall and have not really developed the shoots like the other three.

Looks like I will switch to 12/12 in about 5 days. Thanks for the support!

[naturesgift]

Thanks for the support. I am using a 400 W High Pressure Sodium for veg and I can agree with you, it is not ideal. Every morning they look like they have been beaten to shit. I open up the door, give em a bit of water and some air from outside and they pep up in about an hour. I am still not exactly sure how low to keep the lamp. I have six plants and it seems like I am adjusting the bloody thing every other day. The plants seem like they get really dehydrated every night, so I am trying to find a solution. Saturday will be the third week and I am going to give them about 25% of the suggested nutes. I am still playing with the water too. Damn rookie I am! :)

Peace from Praha!

Don't worry about people say about using hps lamps its all about what you feed them the correct ph balance and they will respond ,its simple look and learn at your plants they will tell you what they need.

[FredfromDesire]

So, no more room left and going to to 12/12. Been 5 1/2 weeks, so I am thinking I am close enough. Wish me luck!

Will most likely need help determing sex in a week or so.

Thanks!

[FredfromDesire]

but, theyr'e getting big!

[stinkyattic]

Looking good!
No more topping now that they are in flower.
They will probably need to be tied down though since you say your space in limited.

[FredfromDesire]

Yes Stinky, you are right. As you can see, not much space. Thanks for the input.
Peace!

[MULLETMAN]

Lookin really good fred from desire. Kinda agree with stinky, those things might like a good tie down or two just to even out your canopy. Once that canopy is nice and even you can really dial the light in on em and get it as close as they can handle. Good grow.

[Tomthehippie]

Lookin really good fred from desire. Kinda agree with stinky, those things might like a good tie down or two just to even out your canopy. Once that canopy is nice and even you can really dial the light in on em and get it as close as they can handle. Good grow.

Agree! :)

[FredfromDesire]

Hey Fellas!
Thanks for the advice. I am going to have someone with experience help me with the tie down this week. Personally, I don't trust myself with it and need some assistance.

They look quite nice at the moment. I bought some Vitamin (Phyt-Amin) and sprayed it on the buds. Guess I can do this once a week until 2 weeks before harvest.

The photo is 3 weeks into flowering as of today.

Thanks again!
Peace from Praha!