Let's talk the "I" word .....

[GrowRebel]

BREAKING: NM Senate Rules Committee Passes Bush-Cheney Impeachment Resolution
Posted Feb 18, 2007 06:50 PM PST
Category: IMPEACHMENT

Now the measure goes to the New Mexico State Legislature. If it passes there, then under the Jefferson House Rules, the US House of Representatives must immediately undertake impeachment proceedings.

More (http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/democracy_for_new_mexico/2007/02/breaking_nm_sen.html)

This should be interesting if the Congress is force to undertake impeachment proceedings.:thumbsup: :hippy: :rastasmoke: :cool:

:noel:

[Zimzum]

Interesting but, when/if it passes the state legislature, it will still need a vote at the federal level. I think CT and VT have similar things going on. Good first steps but still long way to go.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

even if they should successfully impeach w and remove him from office, we then end up with cheney. we then begin proceedings to impeach cheney and remove him as well, we then end up with pelosi and the cycle repeats itself. by the time we end up with a worthwhile candidate for the office it will be 2066, i'll be long since in my grave and there will be corn growing on the white house lawn.

[kboughton]

even if nm passes it, the actual impeachment process probly wouldnt start until next year. congress isnt going impeach a president when hes going to be gone in 6 months and he hasnt really done anything illegal- immoral, maybe- but not illegal. it would be a waste of money and time all the way around.

[kboughton]

i dont think ANYONE wanted to be g.w.b. after 9/11. he was only going by third person info that people gave him. at least he did something. al gore wouldve said it was caused by global warming. but everyone knows he failed in the long run- including him.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

.... he hasn't really done anything illegal- immoral, maybe- but not illegal....

he walks in grey areas. if the point were pressed, some of his action could be considered unconstitutional. his handlers have been quite careful, but there are certainly grounds for action. as for whether it would be worthwhile to proceed, it seems to me to be a waste of time and money. i am tempted to believe it is nothing more than the typical political pr stunt, just like the clinton impeachment. after all, isn't this just for show anyway?

[kboughton]

everyone walks in gray areas. its just that hes arguably the most powerful man in the world and his grays are broadcast for anyone to see. im not sure but im guessing every president has done something unconstitutional. its sort of like ratting on your parents after they stole bread to feed the family. it was wrong but theyre doing it for a "good" cause.

both possibly impeachments came in their second term so i dont think it was for political gain but i agree almost everything they do is for PR

[delusionsofNORMALity]

....it was wrong but theyre doing it for a "good" cause....

w's cause is questionable, at best. his entire career is so deeply rooted in political half truths, oil and industrial special interests and the reactionary philosophies of religion and big business that i'm sure even his handlers are sometimes confused. he seems to have fallen into office by being in the right place at the right time, to have been reelected by a peculiar twist of fate and a wave of rabid nationalism and now that his tenure is coming to a close we are realizing what a big mistake we really made.

[kboughton]

^^delusionsofNORMALity- "now that his tenure is coming to a close we are realizing what a big mistake we really made".........i dont know how to do the quote thing yet.

i agree his entire career seems like he has a narrator walking behind him controlling what he does next. but until 9/11 happened, nobody seemed to make a big deal about him. again im not sure but i think more people voted for him the second time than the first. you said that "we" made a mistake. that means we r responsible for the war as well. it was not ahrd to predict chaos would escalate. by the way, where r u from?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

.... until 9/11 happened, nobody seemed to make a big deal about him....
.... you said that "we" made a mistake. that means we r responsible for the war as well....
.... where r u from?

9/11 was his call to glory. the towers falling gave him the excuse he needed to do everything short of declaring martial law, maybe that will be his parting shot as he leaves office. by declaring a never ending war on terror he has guarantied his holy war will be here long after he is gone. his legacy will most likely be one of death in the name of god and country (in that order).

yes, we are to blame. we started by choosing a fool and compounded our error by yielding to our blood lust and letting him get four more years closer to his blessed rapture. we're to blame and it started long before this little pisser. we've been giving away our freedom almost since this country was first formed. power brokers have bought our rights with comfort and have turned the great american dream into just another pale imitation of the utopia our forefathers hoped to create.

i include myself in this nightmare. even though i take pride in the fact i have never taken part in this sham we call our electoral process, i find myself damned by my own hubris. i became complacent along with everyone else, even though i knew better, and now we're all damned. we should have thrown the bombs when we had the chance.

in case you missed it. my response to your last question is the title.

[Markass]

about effing time. Once we can manage to get him out of the white house we can stop trying to take over the world..then maybe everyone and their dog's wont dislike the united states.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

about effing time. Once we can manage to get him out of the white house we can stop trying to take over the world..then maybe everyone and their dog's wont dislike the united states.

they hate us for our greatness, they hate us for our faults, they hate us for what we have as well as what we don't. they hate us when we're nice, they hate us when we're mean, they hate us when we're happy and revel when we're sad. the good news is - THEY HATE EVERYBODY ELSE TOO. sometimes i get the feeling that hate is what makes the world go 'round. maybe if i hated more i wouldn't be in such a foul mood today.


i thought about forcing a rhyme into the first two sentence, but i find i just don't give a ....

[Oneironaut]

Impeachment? Damn, I thought you were talking about insurgency.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Impeachment? Damn, I thought you were talking about insurgency.

might be a much better path for us to follow.

[medicinal]

Insurgency against Bush, sign me up. If you could create a coup within the Military, it might work, otherwise my little AK isn't squat compared to tanks and F22 raptors. To overthrow this out of control government, you have to get the military on your side or else you're screwed, so when you've accomplished that little ditty, give me a call, I'll show up with my puny weapons to help herd the politicians out of office.

[Zimzum]

Insurgency against Bush, sign me up. If you could create a coup within the Military, it might work, otherwise my little AK isn't squat compared to tanks and F22 raptors. To overthrow this out of control government, you have to get the military on your side or else you're screwed, so when you've accomplished that little ditty, give me a call, I'll show up with my puny weapons to help herd the politicians out of office.


And whatever you create in the aftermath will only work for so long before that too becomes tainted with corruption. Things are only perfect at the start. Once you start making new amendments you start to throw things out of line. And as time passes and new technology happens it would be almost impossible not to make changes.

[medicinal]

Hey, I agree, but it's definently time for a change. The power brokers are too firmly intrenched and corrupted to make changes through the election process. The founding Fathers had insurection in mind for this very reason, they even spelled it out. When the Government stops listening to the people the people must take back control. We are now being controlled by the elite, a plutocracy if you will. The few rich assholes controlling the many. Who made them boss, it certainly wasn't me. The corporations got their hooks into the politicians early on and are so far up their asses now that they're in need of deep colon cleansing. Money is the great corruptor and has gained control of our government, lock, stock and smoking barrel.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Insurgency against Bush, sign me up....

w and his buddies are just a symptom. there's no longer any way to cure this disease short of tearing the whole thing down and starting from scratch. though it might once have been possible for sections of the country to secede, i doubt it's a viable solution now. there was a time when the bombs might have been useful, but now i'm afraid it would just be a waste of c-4. i suppose we could give it a try, what have we really got to lose?

[Purple Banana]

I know who can cure this disease!

Dr. House!

I really wish you would have proceeded with a rhyme, Delusions, I was simply bouncing along to your poem :)

The only thing the impeachment proposal will do is stir up muck. If ANYTHING gets done at all, it's going to take forever. We only have about a year until he's gone, thank pot. And although Bush's departure won't solve anything, it hopefully won't result in anything worse that he's done already. That's like rebuilding the levees in the middle of Hurricane Katrina- practically impossible, but with a lot of hard work, time, and money, it can be done. We need to save the time and effort to rebuild and hopefully right our situation AFTER the natural disaster that is Bush.

EDIT: Although I can't help smiling imagining Bush on trial for impeachment...

[delusionsofNORMALity]

maybe dr. kevorkian is more in order.


after i wrote it i was looking at it and realized that i could find the words, but the rythm would have been stilted and it might have appeared to be a rather half assed attempt.

[GrowRebel]

I know who can cure this disease!

Dr. House!

EDIT: Although I can't help smiling imagining Bush on trial for impeachment...

Should we stop putting criminals and killers on trial because we don't have the time or it would stir up too much mud?

These people are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands ...... why is it okay for war criminals to go free?:wtf:

:noel:

[Bong30]

Look a left wing circle jerk......

[delusionsofNORMALity]

These people are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands ...... why is it okay for war criminals to go free?:wtf:

choosing scapegoats and laying blame will never solve the underlying problems. these fools are merely figureheads for a political machine and, as such, are expendable anyway. the present executive agenda is only a manifestation of the ultimate goals of that machine. we pay far too much attention to the circus and not enough to the road we travel.

[Torog]

Look a left wing circle jerk......

Howdy Bong ,

I wonder..is a circle jerk better than a cluster-f*ck ? :D

Thanx for continueing to fight for what's right ! Sorry I ain't been here to help ya more !

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

I find this to be a joke. Impeachment for what? Making Katrina? Invading Iraq? Didn't the dems sit on the House Floor all full of applause and support BEFORE the war became unpopular?

Clinton went through impeachment proceedings through the house and it was defeated in Senate. The charges were perjury and obstruction of justice.....NOW we're looking at MAYBE electing his wife!

WHY should we waste the time and money? BECAUSE it gives alot of face time before 2008! Just another good example of government waste and egos at work.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

WHY should we waste the time and money?


Why should men and women have to die in Iraq? It was a war started with shitty made up intel. As president he is personally responsible for the actions of America and the death of our troops. While the timing might not be the best to stop anything right now, it will show future president that if you plan to goto war and end lives, both friend and foe, you better damn well be sure your information is accurate. Clinton might have lied, but no one died from his lie.

[Psycho4Bud]

ASTANA, Kazakhstan â?? Russia gave the Bush administration intelligence after the September 11 attacks that suggested Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was preparing attacks in the United States, President Vladimir Putin (search) said Friday.

Putin said he couldn't comment on how critical the Russians' information was in the U.S. decision to invade Iraq.

In Washington, a U.S. official said Putin's information did not add to what the United States already knew about Saddam's intentions.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the Russian tip did not specify a time or a place where an attack might take place.

The Bush administration in part justified the invasion of Iraq by saying Saddam had links to terror groups, including Al Qaeda (search). The U.S. commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said this week there was no evidence of any collaboration between Iraq and Usama bin Laden's terror network.
FOXNews.com - Putin: We Told U.S. Saddam Was Planning Attacks - U.S. & World (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123051,00.html)

Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper â??De Telegraaf,â?� that he knows the three sites where Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept.
IRAQ'S WEAPONS IN SYRIA: SENIOR SYRIAN JOURNALIST (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259806/posts)

Saddam's Secrets corroborates what Ariel Sharon said on Dec. 23, 2002, in a television appearance on Israel's Channel 2: "Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria."

But Sada gave more detail to that claim. He said Hussein's Special Republican Guard brigades loaded WMDs onto two converted Iraqi Airways planes that made 56 flights to Syria. He also said they were accompanied by a ground convoy of trucks carrying similar materials.

The flights and convoy escaped international attention because they reportedly occurred at the same time that Iraq was sending relief to Syria for a dam collapse.
Ex-Iraqi general, noted U.S. Christian writer tell story of WMDs and serving Hussein - 1/30/06 (http://www.layman.org/layman/news/2006-news/ex-iraqi-general-noted-us-christian.htm)

CNN) -- The CIA has in its hands the critical parts of a key piece of Iraqi nuclear technology -- parts needed to develop a bomb program -- that were dug up in a back yard in Baghdad, CNN has learned.

The parts, with accompanying plans, were unearthed by Iraqi scientist Mahdi Obeidi who said he had hidden them under a rose bush in his garden 12 years ago under orders from Qusay Hussein and Saddam Hussein's then son-in-law, Hussein Kamel.

CNN Security Correspondent David Ensor reports that under United Nations sanctions in place in 1991, the concealment of such materials -- and failure to disclose their presence -- would have constituted violations of Security Council regulations.

But U.S. officials emphasized that this was not evidence Iraq had a nuclear weapon -- but it was evidence the Iraqis concealed plans to reconstitute their nuclear program as soon as the world was no longer looking.
CNN.com - Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard - Jun. 27, 2003 (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/26/sprj.irq.centrifuge/)

Impeachment based on what???

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

I don't care if Putin told him anything. The fact is Bush went into Iraq with bad intelligence. He might have thought it to be correct at the time, but he was wrong. Think of it this way. Say I told you your sister was just raped by that man over there 5 minutes ago. You, without double checking go and kill that man. Your still guilty even though I made up the original story. Sure I might get in trouble too, but I'm not the one who acted hastily. Reports are coming out now that the CIA knew there info was fabricated but chose to stick with it to influence the Iraqi war.

If the WMD are in Syria why are not we in there getting them back? Why would the Bush administration not bring this up so the media stops pressing them on it? Its false. If it was true Bush would have jumped at the chance. Don't kid yourself.

Ok they found plans for bomb making under the ground. Two things stick out here. First is, It was buried for 12 years under a rose bush. Makes me think they forgot about it, wasn't that important, or is complete bullshit. Maybe all three? Second is the fact it was 12 years old.. Way outdated by todays means. Sure a bomb is a bomb, but even they have advancements to them. Again why wouldn't Bush make a fuss about this stuff. It would only make people see he was right. But no, not even Bush tries to sell us that.

[Psycho4Bud]

So do ya really think that pursueing this would make a difference? Hell, Iran is breaking U.N. resolutions on the nuclear issue and what do the Dems do? Propose a resolution stating that we can't take any action against them. They openly admit to this, they have a 11 million man suicide army but yet thats not enough.

I'm sure that the Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi camps would do everything in their power to protect Syria. After all, the U.S. is the "international pariah"....these other countries have rainbows shooting out their back sides. :wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

So do ya really think that pursueing this would make a difference?

Yes, it will set an example that we will not allow people to overstep there authority. Maybe teach a president that Americans are not idiots and we can smell the BS that comes from Washington. Our president is supposed to do our will, not his own. Democracy is a vote by majority, not a select few. The rest of your post is spin..

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Yes, it will set an example that we will not allow people to overstep there authority....
....Our president is supposed to do our will....

set an example, do our will; have you been living under a rock? when nixon left the white house in disgrace it only served to remind the political animals that they had to be a bit more careful when ignoring the law. our last attempt at impeachment made us the laughingstock of the global community. the fool in the oval office is only the latest face on a machine that existed long before he did and will exist long after he's only an image on a postage stamp. a president has, at best, eight years to further the party driven agenda that he has very little control over.


well, it's 5:00 here anyway.

[GrowRebel]

set an example, do our will; have you been living under a rock? when nixon left the white house in disgrace it only served to remind the political animals that they had to be a bit more careful when ignoring the law. our last attempt at impeachment made us the laughingstock of the global community.
well, it's 5:00 here anyway.


The people didn't want Clinton impeached that was the repukes .... and it was the repukes that didn't want to indicted the illegitimate bush.
We won't be a laughingstock for impeaching the illegitimate bush and cheney .... they got it coming.







Impeachment based on what???

Have a good one!:s4:

Base on lies ... of course you will disregard the facts as usual. So this is for the folks at home .... who would like to see the facts.

The Bush administration's Top 40 Lies about war and terrorism
Citypages (http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp)

Cheney, Libby Blocked Papers To Senate Intelligence Panel
NationalJournal (http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1027nj1.htm)

Republicans Still Keeping Secret Evidence Administration Used Reports They Knew Were False to Bring US to War
Opednews (http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_051106_republicans_still_ke.htm)

The Lie Factory
MotherJones (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html)

Bush Is Not Above the Law
LAST August, a federal judge found that the president of the United States broke the law, committed a serious felony and violated the Constitution. But under the Bush Justice Department, no F.B.I. agents were ever dispatched to padlock White House files or knock on doors and no federal prosecutors ever opened a case.
NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/opinion/31bamford.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

A case for impeachment
SFGate (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/31/EDGC7N76471.DTL)

:noel:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

We won't be a laughingstock for impeaching the illegitimate bush and cheney .... they got it coming.

no, we'll be seen as the petulant children we are.

don't forget that the voters re-elected this twit after he started his warmongering nonsense.


are you confused yet? there is no single stance that will yield that solutions to problems that have been festering since before we were born. our only hope is that one of our mistakes will bring about a favorable outcome. when the only viable solution is revolution, there is no viable solution.

[GrowRebel]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Children don't care about accountablity ..... those that want impeachment do. It's as simple as that. If you believe it's ok to allow war crimes so be it .... but pardon the rest of us that don't thing it's okay at all.

The illegitimate bush was NEVER elected by the people. He was selected by the USSC in 2000, then the corrupt congress in 2004.

Never elected only selected .... now we the people select to impeach this illegitimate regime.

:noel:

[medicinal]

now we the people select to impeach this illegitimate regime.

We can only hope, this would be too much justice for them (Bush-Cheney), I doubt the repukes would allow it, I think it takes 66-67 votes to impeach, If it came to a straight vote by the people on a 51% basis, I think we could get-ur-done.