Do you think weed will ever be legal?

[DarkHorse014]

Do you think weed will ever be legal?


State why or why not

[Podge_Boro]

i think it will be, but when? i dont know
hopefully in my life time

i think it will get legalized because they will finally realise that it does no harm to people

[Nochowderforyou]

In America? Never. :)

They are too fixated on trying to control everyone there, by that I mean giving drug tests when no needed and doing testing in some schools.

I think the people will end up losing control before it is legalized there.

Maybe when the dinosaur politicians die off, some younger ones from this generation will come through and changes might take place, but in the next 50 years or so, I just don't see it happening.

[DarkHorse014]

idk it prolly wont ever b for recreational purposes, but who knows...

i think sooo many people hate everything that has to do with it, and so many people hate so called "stoners" , theres soo much propanganda, i dont think the gov't wuld ever admit that they wer really wrong the whole time about weed.

[Markass]

idk it prolly wont ever b for recreational purposes, but who knows...

i think sooo many people hate everything that has to do with it, and so many people hate so called "stoners" , theres soo much propanganda, i dont think the gov't wuld ever admit that they wer really wrong the whole time about weed.

they'll be forced to once the majority of states support patient's rights to cannabis..25 states allow medical marijuana and the government can no longer at all be able to say medical marijuana doesn't work

[DarkHorse014]

they'll be forced to once the majority of states support patient's rights to cannabis..25 states allow medical marijuana and the government can no longer at all be able to say medical marijuana doesn't work

i hope so.....

[Lada]

Yes, I think in Europe as well. There's generally more relaxed attitude towards weed in Europe compared with say a decade ago, I think legalization is just a matter of time.

/L.

[MacWQ33]

In USA....obviously it will be eventually. Money is a pretty good motive for any type of government.

[suhl]

i think it will but when is the real key

and they do realize it is harmless, the government want to protect people has nothing to do with it being illegal.

[Nation_1ne]

I agree with Lada, it won't be too long until the legalisation of weed. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.

[station]

how many threads on this topic now? 1,000

[xfukinxfedxupx]

in america- 1500 years from now
in england- 15 years from now
in the rest of europe- 3 years from now

in england we av a stoner that wants to be prime minister, david cameron. thats wat i call a good start

[iPot]

The next president might be a black man so there is hope, then again it might be a woman. They wont even let you smoke it if your married to them which is why I am not. I hope no-one thinks I'm being sexist, just a bit of light humour, I feel I have to say that just in case I start a flame war.

[Lucifuge]

I see decriminalization happening within the next 10-15 years, but legalization? No, not for a looong time.

[SonicBloom]

It's already decriminalized in a lot of places, and there have been a few cities taking a stand, and calling marijuana lowest priority, such as Hollywood and Colorado. In Hollywood I'm comfortable enough to smoke in public, even in cop busy neighborhoods. In California, and I think 11 other states, medical marijuana is legal. When I buy weed, I get to go to a club, pick my strain of bud out of many, I can buy hash, keif, edibles..etc. As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be legal. It will be someday.

[BUDhha]

i want it to but i voted no. if it does though it will be a LONG LONG time from now.

[Maggz]

i want it to but i voted no. if it does though it will be a LONG LONG time from now.

explain why would it be a LONG LONG time from now?

[PatrickHenry]

State wide I'd say in the next 10 years in a lot of states. Federally, I have no idea. If you're in the west you have a pretty good shot of seeing it legalized. Places like CA, OR, WA, AZ, CO, and NV. These states have a libertarian leaning you don't find in the east nearly as much. Generally speaking; they're not fond of the government telling them what they can do. It all relates back to the old days when settlers moved out here for mining, religious persecution, and farming cheap land.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

explain why would it be a LONG LONG time from now?

the government has painted itself into a corner. even if they were willing to relinquish that much of their control, they have spent far too much time and money demonizing weed for outright legalization. the best that can be hoped for in the foreseeable future is legalization for medical use (Rx required). to admit the deceptions of the past would expose the power hungry the kind of scrutiny they cannot afford.

[PlantBoxer]

No. A huge portion of our system is built upon jailing it's citizens for building more government.
These laws have nothing to do with keeping you safe, but to build system where you single out what the population wants, alcohol, tobbacco,pot, make it illeagle, then you need proscuters,lawers,judges,counseling services,jails,then those lawers become judges, they become politicians, then they start getting lobbist moneys from Coors, Budwieser, cotton industry, plastics, wood, all to give more money to keep it ileagle!!
Even taxing it, they would lose so much corrupt income.

Hell go read CatherinAustinFitts book (for free)Dillon Read & the Aristocracy of Prison Profits (http://dunwalke.com/) it's all there and how long it's gone on. The eye opening for me was just startling!!

[ncnavguy]

I think it could become legal, but the catalyst would be another great depression, Thats what made alchohol legal after the temperance societies got it outlawed. Economic need will always usurp the morals of a society. Right now in our sea of wealth it is not neccesary to legalize marijuana and tax the fuck out of it, in fact we have so much money that we can spend billions of dollars fighting a futile war against it, but with our enormous war debt, china's premminance as a world power, and that fact that we're due for a crash as it seems our cycles flow i think that within the next 15 yrs I would not be suprised to see it legalized to bail the govt. out of some serious hock.
--Sorry I'm a finance nut-----

[Jizzle Blizzle420]

I believe that it is a very big possibilty. if we all did our part to help it could be done. Things have been changing alot in our beautiful country lately. such as all the bills that have been passed to help medical marijuana, and states setting marijuana as a low priorety defense.

[Oneironaut]

Yes. Empires fall, and cultures change. A hundred years ago concepts like women's suffrage, racial equality and widespread tolerance of homosexuality were utterly scandalous. Nobody knows what the cultural climate will be like a century from now, but I think it is inevitable that this arbitrary cultural assumption will eventually change.

[lazy smoker7]

I think it will but not for a long time.. eventually people will find out the truth about it

[thecreator]

Hell no! I think it will be less of a priority. With the development of stronger and harsher drugs we as a people will see its innocents. Not enough to where its excepted into the constitution but enough to where smoking in a safe environment wont bring droves of DEA agents to the crib. :rasta:

[Antihero867]

I think so. Because all of the old people who grew up durring the reefer madness era of propaganda are dieing off or retiring. We are moving twards legalazation. Slowly, but we are still moving in the right direction. Their are always gonna be people who hate weed as their are always people who hate alcahol. Anything that alters conciousness will always have haters.

[greenman:D]

i dont think USA will ever make it legal they are to fixated on wanting to be known as the superpower not the hippy power country.

[rebeccaj76]

Unfortunately I don't think I'll see in my lifetime.... maybe when I'm like 80. As it stands right now stoners and supporters are too afraid to become politically active on the matter.
Hell, I use this site all the time but this is the first time I've ever posted because I fear THE MAN. Especially since I also frequent the NORML site and although I'm not a member - again fear - (I support them by buying cool shirts and hoodies for me and my friends) it overwhelming shows the increase in not only marijuana related arrests but now PARAPHENELIA is illegal for heavens sake.
So sad but, so true... the government gets way too much funding for their DARE campaigns, stupid commercials... and yes, even the money lawyers, politicians and prisons receive for arresting us.
I am a professional, successful adult and so are all of my friends and family members and we all support legalization... but, in a crowd - I bet none of them would raise their hands if asked this question publicly. :(

[MrNiceGuy420]

im looking at 08...although i dont think he will win the election, kucinich supports marijuana decriminalization and industrial hemp, and based on obamas response when asked if he inhaled i think long as he doesnt get influenced by all the people in our government he may help our cause...i think were closer that ever

[MirandaHart]

Eventually - Both Canada & the US need high-profile people who use it to come out of the closet and support its medical use like Monteil Williams who has MS. Oprah, Larry King at el need to do shows on this. Look what happened to AIDS when it got celebrity backing - people got serious.

[Markass]

Unfortunately I don't think I'll see in my lifetime.... maybe when I'm like 80. As it stands right now stoners and supporters are too afraid to become politically active on the matter.
Hell, I use this site all the time but this is the first time I've ever posted because I fear THE MAN. Especially since I also frequent the NORML site and although I'm not a member - again fear - (I support them by buying cool shirts and hoodies for me and my friends) it overwhelming shows the increase in not only marijuana related arrests but now PARAPHENELIA is illegal for heavens sake.
So sad but, so true... the government gets way too much funding for their DARE campaigns, stupid commercials... and yes, even the money lawyers, politicians and prisons receive for arresting us.
I am a professional, successful adult and so are all of my friends and family members and we all support legalization... but, in a crowd - I bet none of them would raise their hands if asked this question publicly. :(


Yup, everyone's fucking afraid to become politically active on this matter...Shows how much you know :(

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML (http://www.norml.org)
Marijuana Policy Project - Home (http://www.mpp.org)

There's two quite popular national organizations working for marijuana reform, so maybe you're the one who's not politically active. By the way, if I was asked if I supported the legalization of marijuana, I would most definately say that I supported it. I'm not afraid, unlike most people. There are plenty of other younger kids like myself who are the same way. Don't worry baby-boomers, you stepped back in the shadows and did nothing, but I think we're the ones who'll help make it legal for all of us :thumbsup:

[FreeVenice]

I don't think it will be legallized in my life time but, like now, there will be alot of loop holes. . .

[0ffspring]

think amsterdam, yeah it will be, cept they are going to put taxes on it, ooooh, i just know it!

[harris7]

when public opinion changes, public policy will change quickly

IMO there is little point lobbying and getting bills in the house if the people are not in support.

In canada support is growing and is currently over 50% in support!

YES OVER 50% and by that i mean 51% :)

in BC it's more like 59% in support.
As long as this number is growing we are winning.

once it gets to 70% = legalization IMO

[alwayssleepdeprived]

My 2 cents...

It seems that although pot is illegal currently there are so many times I've seen people get pulled in for it only to be released with no repurcusions...I truly believe not punishing for the offense even though it's against the law sets a double standard that causes problems...young kids can make tons of money and even if they get caught they'll be out by the next day with barely a slap on the wrist if even that...As far as I've learned it seems that only the offenders with the intent for violence are looked at as closely as possible as those are usually the ones with a much deeper involvement in the underworld

On a lighter note I'd have to say that the people in america are already fat and lazy so mj can't really make things much worse ;-)

[MrNiceGuy420]

its inevitable, every year more and more people learn the truth, we have came so far in the past few years, and eventually the government will have to recongize that the number of people that want it legal keeps riseing....the government knows its not that bad, they know its never killed anyone, they know its medicial...they just dont want to admit they are wrong

[pwn3dy0]

In America? No. We live in a police state, they will never legalize marijuana, Hell, you can't even gamble online here legally. What a joke this country has become.

[MrNiceGuy420]

who says the goverment cant change, we have a new presidential election comeing up, obama even said he woul make the government more open the people and not so exclusive to snobby rich guys in suits, im not making any bets though

[Jaerl]

No way, I wouldnt wanna be that one to let the people out of jail that were sent there for reason that deal with Marijuana... They'd be pissed that they were in jail all this time for nutin'

[MrNiceGuy420]

if it ever happens the government is going toget so much shit haha, but who cares they be makeing billions from the tax on it

[Markass]

then people will wonder why something that lacks the detrimental effects of alcohol has been illegal since the thirties and alcohol has been legal.

[tbailey]

well im not 100% on this, but the govt is selling it or is oging to sell it in las vegas soon. it was on the ticket for the last election in nevada. i read in govt class that in california, where it asks if you have committed a felony, you dont have to put down marijuana offences.

[joetwitch]

well its only gonna be a few years till itll be legal here in canada
already the consequences for having it are small
+
the americans are fighting a war and are in serius dept so eventually theyll need a new cash source and pot could be a pretty good one

[jaGerbom]

well cannabis is legal in my room...my room is part of my house...and my house is part of america.

so by transitive property....weed is already legal in america!


WE DID ITTT

[Markass]

well im not 100% on this, but the govt is selling it or is oging to sell it in las vegas soon. it was on the ticket for the last election in nevada. i read in govt class that in california, where it asks if you have committed a felony, you dont have to put down marijuana offences.

probably because marijuana possession in california isn't a felony I would guess...but I'm sure it's like that in the other states that have decriminalized possession..Nevada initiative would've taxed and regulated marijuana..it didn't pass though. Not far off. It will be on the next ballot I believe..and I think it'll happen then. One guy was right, the public awareness of the next to no negative effects is becoming stronger as time goes on...the younger generation is much more open...for instance I'll have conversations with my teachers about marijuana...tell them that what they know about it is wrong..and what I know is right because what I know is new information. I'm sure there are plenty of younger kids that are as open as I am...not like I tell them I'm a stoner...just that I know the truth about it. :thumbsup:

If anything pisses me off, it's being lied to. The government lies to kids, and it's fucking bullshit. And I'LL BE DAMNED IF THE FUCKERS ARE GOING TO LIE TO MY CHILDREN. I got addicted to cigarettes because I thought marijuana was a dangerous thing...cigarettes will kill you..Marijuana can never do that. My kids won't do the same. They will be given accurate and truthful information if I have anything to do with it. That's not how things are supposed to be and it needs to fucking change. NOW.

[Villui]

instead of making 10000000000000 threads like this how about evreyone goes to Marijuana Law Reform - NORML (http://WWW.NORML.ORG) and send messages to your elected people in your state to Vote yes for MMJ

[ukmonkey]

not in my life... but If I'm lucky then when I am an old man and can not track down gangster drugdealers... of course in 50 years in the surveillance society picking up an ounce will be a mission

[SeNsEmIlLa]

Im majoring in Political Science right now... I plan on going to Law School after this... I love politics.. call me what you will hahaha... I am just absolutely infatuated with the political make up of our nation... anyways... its my dream to one day run for Political Office one day... and with that... many reforms on the decriminilization of marijuana will ensue... hopefully... so remember to vote for me in the distant future would ya... ;)

[not_the_kitty]

I think eventually when all the old people in Washington die off (of natural cause....I'm not a hitman) then the younger generation of people my age will be in office. Judging by the attitude of people I know it will be more tolerated if never legal because 99% of people I know either smoke or think it should be legal. Kind of like how sex was taboo years ago but now its hard to not see it on TV....and even if its never legal I can buy weed pretty much anywhere, its more of an issue of me wanting to pay less for really good weed.

[c of green]

no not with the current capitalistic(?) state of the country.Maybe someday.I personally don't care if it is legal recreationally(F*ck the gov.) but patients should definately be able to smoke and grow in their own home with no repercussions.

[mfqr]

Yep, I think so. Once all these damn prohibition advocates die or resign from positions of authority, I believe things will change for the better. It's only a matter of time before the truth is spread completely, and we gain more supporters. Time... give it time. Just like alcohol prohibition expired, I believe prohibition of Cannabis will expire as well. My city has already decriminalized any possession of Cannabis 25 grams or under (Madison, WI! It's a very recent step forward). It still annoys me though, because they did not do it because they know it isn't bad, but because we're lacking funds to prosecute every small possession of weed. But it's a step forward, and soon more steps will be made, especially since Wisconsin has a NORML chapter. And during this waiting period, continue to blaze up. :)

[unclebob]

I don't think it will happen any time soon. At least not for recreational purposes. The gov / DEA has spent so, so much time, effort and money trying to prove how harmfull it is. Changing gears now would be like admitting we have been so wrong for so long.

I only hope and pray that the rest of the states will legalize or decriminalize it for medicinal purposes. Too many patients are suffering needlesly because they can not get a steady supply of quality bud.

As for all complete and total morons who say it does not have any medicinal value, I say this - Let's see any one of them go through harsh chemo and then see how they vote?

Sorry for the rant, but I am a cancer survivor and I do in fact NEED this medicine for vaious reasons related to permanant nearve damage, kidney damage and other factors.

Unfortunately I live in the East.

bob

bob

[suhl]

nope, not until pretty much all of the "greatest generation" is dead. even then i dont see it happening. they have known that there is no harm in it for a very very long time now. all the facts are pretty much in on it so if it was going to happen in a few years it would just happen right now, there is nothing to just come out on it over the next few years that will make people totally change their minds on it. the thing is a lot of nonsmokers may not think it should be illegal, but it is an issue they could care less about. in the grand scheme of things it isnt a political issue that really gets talked about much on the federal level. in some states it is already decriminalized, state level is about all you can hope and the fed gov does as much as they can to prevent that, ie raiding medical suppliers and so on

[mattmao]

your political system is backwards.never in a million years.people having fun and it being legal,dont make me laugh.

[CheebaMan]

I dont think weed will ever be legal in all of the US

people have already been brainwashed with all this propaganda about how bad marijuana is on their children's health and mental stability

theyve become ignorant to its possible positive aspects.

obviously, the negative always weighs more than the positive things

[evertking]

sure... why not?

[stinkyattic]

No. A huge portion of our system is built upon jailing it's citizens for building more government.
These laws have nothing to do with keeping you safe, but to build system where you single out what the population wants, alcohol, tobbacco,pot, make it illeagle, then you need proscuters,lawers,judges,counseling services,jails,then those lawers become judges, they become politicians, then they start getting lobbist moneys from Coors, Budwieser, cotton industry, plastics, wood, all to give more money to keep it ileagle!!
Even taxing it, they would lose so much corrupt income.!And it gives the government a use for its war machine during peacetime.. if we ever have a peacetime again. Wasn't Halliburton getting prison construction contracts? Hmmm.....

I don't think weed will be legal, but I'm hoping for decrim status and believe that is at least a possibility.

[andrewmorrisey]

I think it will be legal someday. I mean, back in the day, Mozart's day I believe, drinking coffee was illegal... or shunned.... but look at it now. :D bad example.

[onequickmove]

someday, yes; soon, no, but i hope; i'd say 20 years maybe

[Baby Seymour]

Cannabis will only be legalised when the government realise how much money they are missing out on by not taxing it, and how much money they are wasting victimising the peace loving chongers of the world. We arnt the ones going around partaking in mindless vandalism and other stupid crimes, nope we are too high to do anything that takes up that much energy, doesn't the real problem lie in alchohol abuse? Not only does it incite violence, which by the way, cannabis doesn't, which cost government money in all sorts of departments, but it also has detrimental effects on health, which cannabis hasn't been conclusivly proven to have (aside from the harm that tobbacco causes (also legal btw)) so all of your drunks who are either taking up doner livers, or liver disease medication or lying in ER after a drunken bar brawl, or in the STD clinic after a night of drunken and unprotected sex. All of these people are the guys who should be getting targeted by government legislation, not the friendly peacefull people who only want smoke a little doobie.

So yeah, until the governmet realises all of that rant, I doubt if we will ever be able to skin up walking down the street, oh well, we do it now and its illegal right? :D

Peace Out.

[bowl]

So i gotta wait for a bunch of old farts to die before i can toke??? Most of

those old turds look like they're almost there...say a day or two...lol

[PlantBoxer]

Hey stinkyattic, [And it gives the government a use for its war machine during peacetime.. if we ever have a peacetime again]

We lost peacetime way back!! Right around the time America was conquered, or over thrown, by the scum and villiany who unleashed the Federal Reserve System on us, a private group of families that own the banking system. HINT, HINT...Read about a debt free money system!!

We have been thrown into one mindless war after another, WW1,WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, now whatever this new horror is called.

Look at how blown up military spending is, and how very long, and things have never been worse!!

Pot is just a tiny way to fragment it's society, keep THEM against US, and RACE...another way to fragment our society, Religion, more fragmentation, Politics, well in America there is one party now, the wealthy.

We have lost our nation when we lost the ability to understand the differences in a Republic and a Democracy....Our forefathers set up a Republic, and right around the time of Americas destruction, whoever, began to remove any/and all that they could ....ANY MENTION OF A REPUBLIC!!

Try reading Bennit LaRosa America a Republic of a Democracy Which Is It?

Americans have stayed pumped up with almost a hundred years of complete propaganda...how come we never lived up to any of that horseshit about, freedom and justice for all...anyone ever go to an Indian reservation...or thru the Smoky Mountains, and see, the savage poverty, no health provisions, see the stripping of their assetts, such as coal, logging, cheap labor, until cheaper labor comes along!!

How come, we are so GOD loving, GOD fearing, and then take Americas waste from her nuclear power plants, refine it into weapons, so we scatter 650 TON's of depleated Uranium across the middle East??? Poisoning our own troops with DU particulate thats finer than our filtration equipment, can filter for the troops!! 285,000 deployed in DS1, 240,000 in the health care system now!!

We dont even teach Civics in school anymore...the basic ways to fight back against this corruption thats captured us!!

Marijuana being legal...sorry, thats just going to happen.

[onequickmove]

here's my prophecy: 20 years

[greenlemon]

someday, when they get smarter, honest and figure out that there is plenty of benefits and not enough excuses, in many ways for everyone.

Maybe in 30 years...:abduct:

[ThePeacockNamethTom]

The reason any and all drugs of the psychedelic or psychotropic nature are illegal is because they make one perceive the world differently - "outside the box" thinking one might say. And in a consumer-based Capitalistic-society, which requires people to have to follow and be active members of an economic market (which based on advertising, ruthless marketing and "natural selection," per se), society cannot have a group of people which do not conform to what there is no non-conforming co-existence to.

Drug War - no, it's a Perspective War. Mind games, people, mind games.

[GirLScouTs]

hell yeah at least for me

[psteve]

YOU'VE got to legalize it.
Call your senator tomorrow. Call your congressman,
and the mayor, and anyone else you can think of.
Tell them all you're sick of them lying about cannabis,
and wasting your tax dollars on reefer madness fantasies.
And especially, tell the candidates that you won't vote
for someone who wants to put you in jail over a plant.
If we stay quiet, we gain NOTHING.
STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!

[killerb]

nope, not until pretty much all of the "greatest generation" is dead. even then i dont see it happening. they have known that there is no harm in it for a very very long time now. all the facts are pretty much in on it so if it was going to happen in a few years it would just happen right now, there is nothing to just come out on it over the next few years that will make people totally change their minds on it. the thing is a lot of nonsmokers may not think it should be illegal, but it is an issue they could care less about. in the grand scheme of things it isnt a political issue that really gets talked about much on the federal level. in some states it is already decriminalized, state level is about all you can hope and the fed gov does as much as they can to prevent that, ie raiding medical suppliers and so on

I personally respect the "greatest generation". Six thousand died in one day on omaha beach, and ABC wasn't able ( didn't even try ) to turn us against the war. I'm not saying I'm for every war we have ever been in. I just think once were in one we should give it all we got! We should not run with our tails between our legs when NBC says we should, or when a few rag tag dirtbags release some propaganda video on the internet of our guys getting beheaded.
In my opinion, I think this country is strong militarily, but politically weak.

To get back to the subject though, I don't blame the " Greatest Generation" for pot being illegal. The baby boomers are in power now, there isn't too many 85 year old politicians left. Pot is still illegal.

[JaaWaaRKilla]

In America? Never. :)

They are too fixated on trying to control everyone there, by that I mean giving drug tests when no needed and doing testing in some schools.

I think the people will end up losing control before it is legalized there.

Maybe when the dinosaur politicians die off, some younger ones from this generation will come through and changes might take place, but in the next 50 years or so, I just don't see it happening.

i agree with this one... theres no way cus of the way the goverment is ran now.. maybe in years like ^ said but even if they did it would be taxed like a motha because its so easily grown so.. i dunno doubt it man.. to much bull shiat in the world with all the dumb nieve ppl

[rainbows.rsexy]

its somewhat legal now in alaska

Alaska - NORML (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4522)

provided u keep it under a oz and burn at home

[420marijuana420]

some tobacco isn't even legal here right now (Cuban cigars). The only hope is that there will be a high demand for it. Maybe it will, but it will take a long time to happen.

[Guitarman88]

I believe weed will be legal sometime in the future.

Reason being because a few of states have already legalized medical marijuana, and some tolerate some recreational levels.

[4twentE]

I long for the day.

[JeKo]

no doubt in my mind that it will someday be legal in the US

[debob]

Well I am thinking of moving country, I don't think it will ever be legal in the UK, too many Cambridge old boys running the country!

[rastaman79]

the uk sucks hairy ballbags,you just gotta be a guerrilla grower over here, i want to move to canada!

[palerider7777]

think about it for a min if it was legal it would'nt be worth no where near as much as it is right now so the people growing would'nt make any money and the gov would'nt make any money off of it like there doing now there making millions off of it being illegal so why would they(the gov) and (the growers)want it to be legal??just my 2 cents

[JeKo]

think about it for a min if it was legal it would'nt be worth no where near as much as it is right now so the people growing would'nt make any money and the gov would'nt make any money off of it like there doing now there making millions off of it being illegal so why would they(the gov) and (the growers)want it to be legal??just my 2 cents

how is the gpv't makin money off of drugs?

[LimeCush]

it will never be legal here in america.The goverment makes way to much many off it.You think the goverment is going to let theppl getrich without taxin it?

[palerider7777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
think about it for a min if it was legal it would'nt be worth no where near as much as it is right now so the people growing would'nt make any money and the gov would'nt make any money off of it like there doing now there making millions off of it being illegal so why would they(the gov) and (the growers)want it to be legal??just my 2 cents

how is the gpv't makin money off of drugs?

how well lets see 1st everytime they bust someone they take all there shit 2 that person ends up in court so lawers/judge/court workers make money from court cost/fees 3 cops keep there jobs as most of there moines made come from drug busts and the list goes on im sure u can fill in the rest i hope i mean i never heard of cops/gove making any money off murder cases what do u think happens to all ur shit they take not only (ur smoke)but lets say u own a house and cars and shit like that lets see everytime someone gets pulled over and locked up for a dime bag or less than that courts/jail makes money i can see all this and i don't even smoke thats pretty bad sumone that does smoke does'nt know this stuff cmon now;):thumbsup:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

trees will never be legal in the states but we can sure as hell hope everyone gets the hint. everyone tokes up atleast once.:jointsmile:

[BwiseLegalize]

Man honestly I do not think it will be regulated everywhere in every state, so nah I say no.

Theres so much $$ from bustin us weed smokers that, unless the govt took up hemp production/regulation and made $$$, that they even consider makin it available at Walgreens, etc

Will more dispensaries grow?, will more medicinal friendly staes appear? Will decriminalization happen? YES

[Guildenstern]

I think it will be someday but not for a long time because our government is controlled by a bunch of close minded right wing idiots who know that 90% of voting america are church people who are against weed so they know if they campaign a certain way people will vote for them.....thats why bush was voted in twice because most of the people who vote are stupid....I mean do you really think that bush is a christian? or that he cares about religion? come on...innocent people are dying and hes got his hands in arms deals and in "liberating" iraq its all just a front a system for him and people like him to stay in control of this country and they will use and exploit the people of america as much as they can until people just wake up and say hey no more of this....ya know actually i take back the part about our leaders being idiots they know exactly what they are doing and its working....so i just think its going to be a long process but i do think eventually it will be legal....and even if its not people are going to smoke anyways....they always have :D

[Marco0172255]

I think it will but it needs a state to state vote

u kno so u have a better chance of makin weed legal some where in the us :)

[Oh My High]

I've never done vaporized weed but I believe vaporizers are the quickest route to the full legalization of weed. If more research is conducted and the supposed purity rates hold up to closer scrutiny then with a safe and effective delivery mechanism we would have the legalization of medical marijuana, first for the severely ill and then the definition of acceptable illnesses and ailments would broaden. Many states would legalize it but for awhile none would legalize regular usage, but, akin to the present day weed movement, you would start seeing a few states just legalizing the whole thing. It's all a matter of baby steps down a slipper slope.

Lawmakers cite marijuana's lack of medical value and doctors cite marijuana's lack of purity. The only way out of the mess is to vaporize the problem out of existence.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Vote me in as president and it will be in about 2 minutes. I will shove it down thier throats. The first state to make it will increase revenue 1000 fold.
Just look at amsterdam. Drug use is down by making it legal. The people making big money on it being illegal will not let it be. If you think small peeps are holding back your wrong.
Take a vote to the people, not the law makers that fuck up our first amendment rights.
I'm here to tell you, you have no rights. none. Bottom line. Ask for my story or search it. We are in a Nazi state of things to protect the stupid shits.
Cops clean up the mess and fill thier pockets. They do not protect you.

Lets put some one in office that cares about your rights and we will see great change.

[mesoto]

Not in the US. Too few pot smokers here take the initiative to vote.

[palerider7777]

loc's right on that one we have now rights and our (freedom the lil bit we have left)is being taken away lil by lil it don't matter who u put in office rep or dem

[Mayack419]

I predict cannabis will become legal in the US on April 20, 2068, after learning that Bill Clinton actually did inhale.

[cannabisativism]

Eh, it was the same with the prohibition of alcohol a century ago. Eventually, people see through media propogation.

[Raelum]

i think people are coming around, with studies like this Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450)
and so many others, people are beginning to realise that MJ isnt as bad as people made it seem.

also with Cali, new mexico, rhode island, and Connecticut (passed but it was vetoed), and soon new york will be passing the medical marijuana (so the polls say)

eventually enough stated will support medical marijuana use and then its only a matter of time before recreational use is accepted (and even if its not) its pretty clear that states that allow medical marijuana are much more forgiving on recreational marijuana use.

just my 2 cents, feel free to correct me if i got some facts wrong :P

[CrIpInMiKe]

no i dont think it will be legal because other companies will loose their business esp. like drug testings and many others.. they will not allow that to happen.

[Bong ripper420]

i think it will be legalized but not for a long time. because if the government legalizes then they look stupid for spending billions of dollars fighting the war on drugs.

[princedapimp4]

i say yes but not any time soon.

[goonin out]

they wont have any more children to scare the shit out of with 30 year old research

[AtomicBlaze42o]

One April 20th in the future, we'll just get a mass public broadcasting telling everyone to do something. It seems you can't change the world without half a million people rioting all over this fucked up country you can't help but love. Or when the god damn government realizes how much money they'll rake in with G-13 and hemp food products and materials, maybe they will make hemp vehicle bodies, bullet proof armor, and indestructible clothing. But that's a lot of pot, I think I'd smoke a lot less anyway, everyone probably would start smoking and it'll become more recreational, possibly less chronic smokers.

[spongebobsmokepants]

Of course weed will eventually be legalized! Things that are unacceptable to society eventually become accepted over time. A mere 100 yrs ago it was scandalous for a woman to be seen in a bathing suit that had more material in it than a modern day 3 piece suit. Alcohol was illegal once upon a time. Tobacco was also illegal. societies have a way of normalizing to the point of acceptance, previously unacceptable behaviour.
(i.e.homosexuality)disclaimer: This is just a generalized viewpoint, not a statement of what is right or wrong.
PEACE
:rasta:

[Maximiliannnn]

The american government is so unforgiving for their pot laws, the only way is if a crazy revolution occured. America needs to relax about there pot laws, learn from Canada, where i strongly believe that within the next ten years marijuana will be legalized.

rent "escape to canada" and you can get a pretty detailed look into legal affairs on the matter, however there is some shit on gay marraige which kinda sucks...

[Morgan420]

I think it'll be legal someday. It's probably going to be quite some time, but we're getting there. At least a few states have relaxed their laws. It has to become legal. I mean there is no argument against it really. Its a "gateway drugs" and makes you lazy and eat a lot sometimes. Is that your argument against marijuana when people die everyday due to alcohol induced incidents. How many people die from smoking too much reefer?

[Nebraskan]

Hell yes. I think it will be legal in 20 years tops. I would say 15 is more realistic and even 10 years is possible.

I believe this because marijuana is legal now in Alaska. You can posses an ounce on your property. However right now this is being contested in the courts because Alaska passed a law that recriminalized marijuana. The good news is that the Appeals court struck down the law and said you could posses an ounce. The case has been appealed to the Alaskan Supreme Court.

Also in 2006 Nevada voted on question 7. If passed this would have legalized marijuana use for any one 21 or older. Also it would have allowed cultivation, distribution, and sale of marijuana. The measure failed 44% to 56%. MPP plans to push a similar initiative thru in 2010 or 2012. I think it is extremely likely that it will pass.

Also in 2006 Colorado voted on Amendment 44 sponsored by SAFER. This would make adult possession of an ounce of cannabis legal. The measure got 41% of the vote.

Also the city of Denver will vote on a lowest priority measure in regards to MJ. I am not sure if it is in 2007 or 2008. Hopefully this measure will have an affect similar to that seen when a similar measure passed in Seattle. I am not sure who is sponsoring the initiative. I think it is NORML.

MPP is preparing an imitative in Massachusetts for 2008 that would decriminalize MJ. This is not just any decriminalization bill however. It promises to be the among the best in the country. The final text has not been approved but it is virtually guaranteed that it will make possession of an ounce or less a civil violation. This bill is comparable to Colorado and Maine's possession laws that are the best in the country excluding Alaska. The one bad thing about this bill is if it passes it would remove Nebraska out of the top 5! :D

There is also MPP sponsoring an initiative in Michigan which would make medical marijuana legal. It is scheduled for 2008. 5 cities in Michigan have passed symbolic medical MJ laws. They are Detroit, Flint, Ann Arbor, Ferndale, and Traverse City.

MPP is also considering launching a medical MJ campaign in Arizona for 2008. This is sure to pass if it gets on the ballot.

Just today in Oregon an initiative was approved to be voted on that would allow dispensaries. If it passes this could give medical MJ the momentum it needs to get other states to set up dispensaries. This is important because it could really force Congress to do something about the DEA.

I am sure most of you have heard of some of many of these bills that could be passed within the next 2 years. However, I do not think many have seen a complete collection of the all the pro MJ bills in one post. The sheer quantity alone gives reason for us to be excited. Not only quantity but I believe that most of these bills listed will pass. I believe the movement has plenty of reasons to be optimistic for the legalization of marijuana in America.

[jaGerbom]

great info there nebraskan. hell of a first post. welcome to the forums.

[Tea Party]

It will become legal when smokers (of whatever age) start presenting themselves in a more positive mature light...like the BC3, or Mason Tvert, or Norm Stamper, or Jack Herer, etc. do. If Marijuana is not respected as a spiritual force (I myself believe Marijuana is not a sacrament of God, but that it is God itself) and is misused in a mindless was as a club drug then it is no different than alcohol (minus the wicked hangover).
We have a great responsibility to all of the brethren and sistren who have been and continue to be persecuted, and imprisoned, and also to the breeders, and activists who keep the dream alive. We must work together in a professional way in order to make the plant's use a personal decision by law.
This will never happen if the nonsmoking public are bombarded with sadly true stereotypes of recreational smokers bingeing on booze, junk food, video games, and apathy. This is a special plant and if it is not taken seriously, it should not be taken at all...though, being imperfect as I am, I sometimes fall victim to couchlock and M*A*S*H reruns like anybody else.:hippy: So I do not exclude myself from my judgement, but there is more to Marijuana than its use as a television enhancement potion. For thousands of years, all great art and spirituality (and also a lot of bad art and spirituality) has been created in league with the green mistress we so discuss here. She will make herself legal when she is ready. (She's still in veg. mode). The days are getting shorter though, I can feel it.:dance:

[Tea Party]

Now that I have thought about it some more...I am really disappointed that the poll is 66% yes and 33% no. At least lie and say yes to make it look good for the Fuzz Hackers. A little optimism goes a long way. The anti pot camp must love seeing these numbers as they monitor us. They send their scout over the hill. He reports back, "Aye, Captain, those stoners don't even believe in themselves." I don't know why the scout is a pirate. He just is.
Throw your hands up...make it legal:clap:...get down now...:dance:it's your birthday! We have to put on a tough face! My car just got stolen today and I am happy as a clam because at least I have a chicken nugget as stinky as Miss you know-who's attic in my pocket! Much better than having a car and no foliage in my view. This is important. Buck up troops!

[jimmy!]

EVIL pharm companys will never allow our govt to allow weed to be legalised, because they cant monitor it. Our govt is too much involved with these companys.

[Tea Party]

EVIL pharm companys will never allow our govt to allow weed to be legalised, because they cant monitor it. Our govt is too much involved with these companys.
Never is a very long time, my friend. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. It is not our duty to wait around for the government to legalize anything. WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT WE WANT through our spending power.
If nobody will buy what any given corporation is pushing, then they will stop selling what they are selling. Corporations are built to make money and if you do not give them your money, they will die. The pharms can only profit if patients buy the poisons they are pushing. When the people start using Marijuana as medicine on a grander scale, there will be good reason for the corporations to start selling pharmaceutical Marijuana ($$$$$$$), and they will have no problem getting it decriminalized. Then the general public can go to the drugstore for the shitty strains and the rest of us can live it up on the genetics that all of these great botanists are preserving for us around the world.
Growing your own medicine takes money away from the pharms. There is an herbal alternative to every chemical cure manufactured by these profiteers. USE THEM! If you need an aspirin, get some white willow bark instead. Buy herbal books, study, learn, tell as many people as you can: Do whatever you can as an individual to take money out of their pockets. Spread the word. Cut the megacorps to ribbons with your knowledge and your wallet!

:buzz_saw::buzz_saw::buzz_saw:

[Ghost**]

Not here in the US

[Coolstoner]

In Denver, its already legal to have up to one oz. in possession. Hopefully soon, the rest of the nation will follow on.

[bcubed]

This makes me think back 18 years, to '89. I was in Munich for "German Unity Day," when someone asked our tour guide if E and W Germany would ever reunite. Her answer: "perhaps, but not in my lifetime."

Remember that history is like an earthquake fault: no movement for long periods of time, as pressure builds up. Then some triggering event, and WHAM! A violent upheaval of the status quo.

One thing that encourages me is that the (federal) gov't is getting ever more strident about pot use. This typically is a reflexive response to seeing that one's position is getting ever less defensible. Case in point: leading up to the War Between the States, with abolitionist pressure, slavery went from "a necessary evil" to "a positive good."

The WOD is like communism, in a way. It's so noble a cause to True Beleivers that taking an honest look at costs and benefits is not only unnecessary, but an indication of a lack of committment to the cause. That's why no one in the mainstream says, "Gee, 7X the typical incarceration rate, and still drugs are available--perhaps we're on the wrong track?" Eventually, it will simply get SO bad that it'll be impossible to ignore such things, just as with communism.

What us stoners can do is a. keep smokin': open defiance of law ended Prohibition and the 55mph limit, b. get active: having strong beliefs and doing nothing about them is worse than having no beliefs at all.


Also in 2006 Nevada voted on question 7. If passed this would have legalized marijuana use for any one 21 or older. Also it would have allowed cultivation, distribution, and sale of marijuana. The measure failed 44% to 56%. MPP plans to push a similar initiative thru in 2010 or 2012. I think it is extremely likely that it will pass.

This really doesn't mean all that much if "State's Rights" conservatives continue to repress the will of the people. IMHO, state governors aren't doing nearly enough to protect their citizens from "all enemies, foreign and domestic," and they ought to take direct action to attempt to protect and secure the freedom and property rights of their citizens from the federal gov't.

[TheJuggla]

I think it'll be legal in canada some time soon :)

[thisisthepart]

Actually there's a lot of talk about Marijuana here in Canada lately.. Its not THAT LONG before talks turn into actions. Probally with a minor law change, but not completely legal. I dont think by any means growing weed in your home for personal use will become legal, but getting stopped with a few grams in your pocket nowadays just gets you a fine over here. Im hoping it will be legal here within the next 6 years. If not, Im out to Amsterdam..

[igot4cheep]

I still have faith that someone in the govermant has some kind of since and wise up.

[mseerob]

Personally i don't know if marijuana should OR would be legalized even tho I wish it was but it would surely have some consequences in todays and the future society. Now as we know it and in the past young children under the ages of 15 were able to get a pack of cigerattes even tho there is an age limit in getting cigerattes. Now smoking cannabis at a very young age is absolutely not healthy for the mental heath. Could you imagine how things could be fucked up for real? Even little kids at a young age are getting high even tho there brains are still in development..

There would be a lot of unhealthy mindsets in many individuals, even having a restriction wouldnt really work either.. just think about cigerattes and the age of some kids and when they first took a puff. Many young kids would be going to school high and not able to learn in school, development of mental problems in some people, there are many factors on why its illegal. Sure the government can tax it but so what? You have to think about the future on how people will be. Don't think about the present time just cause you like to smoke weed and get high. I do however believe it should be decriminalized.

If you smokers really want marijuana to be legal, why doesnt people start of by presenting yourself's in a professional matter and explain why it should be legal? Do you think going on youtube and dressing up in stupid ridiculously ugly looking outfits with a spliff in one hand talking like a junky is going to convince the government to legalize it? Do you think recording yourself with some friends smoking a spliff acting all cool is going to do anything? Obviously no, your giving them a valid reason to keep it illegal. Now Im going to filter out the dumbass potheads out there cause there giving the government a reason to keep it illegal but for those who are educated, smart and mature, those are the ones who should be making video clips on why it should be legal. Don't go in front of a camera and blow smoke in front of it. Be professional and present yourself in a positive matter. Drop the hippies shit... thats not going to cut it.

Think of it this way. If I was the government I would surely keep marijuana legal with a lot of restrictions.

- You can not smoke unless you are of the age of 21 or older

- Keep a record of how many times someone has been in a careless car accident under the influence of marijuana. If the records start to go sky rocketing high ban it for a couple of years.

- Have any child expelled from school with no chances if they are caught being high in class. Fuck the drug testing shit, that will cause them more money.

That's it. And if people were responsible with the use of cannabis then I dont see why it should remain illegal. The only thing I would be really concerned at the variety stores if they sell marijuana. They would really need to check up on ID's.

[mseerob]

examples:

Unprofessional and setting a bad message

YouTube - Smoke weed? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=j4SQEoRwFrs)

YouTube - Smoke Weed Everyday (Part 1) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvjsFk8zMhQ&mode=related&search=)

Professional

Something that I feel is professional BUT the things this person said didnt really make much sense
YouTube - Why Marijuana Should Be Legalized: An Expert's Perspective (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9KLy150NR_U)
YouTube - Dr. Phillip A. Denney on Medical Marijuana Part 3 of 3 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rpt9BKXx6uE)

[silkyblue]

I think it will be legalised soon, Wal-Mart sells HEMP lotion, :jointsmile: hemp is the root :jointsmile: my question, ' who gets the bud?
You can carry it on u in some States thats a start!
They don want anyone makin legal tender$$ they get pd'off if we sell :stoned:
especially to the children, {I dont sell it to anyone} I grow my own and I dont leave my home when stoned to the bone
:wtf:
One can only" get so high on wd" thats where the kids come in at they want more high, and more high, then turn to harsh drugs
:(
bad drugs out there (( can change ones DNA!:( def not pot! }

We dont lock our doors cause the potheads r loose~~:jointsmile:

recently in this stupid litle town someone ordered 35 lbs through the snail mail, they got busted [someone[ratted on em].:mad:

"What brown can do for u was the underground joke"!:rastasmok

Lets all send a spliff to our Congressmen & Senators !!

think good thoughts!:thumbsup:

[mseerob]

We dont lock our doors cause the potheads r loose.....

I believe we do cause some of the idiots making these videos, getting interviewed etc, a lot of them act really dumb. I wish I owned a camcorder, i'd surely record a proper video clip.

And the reason why some stores sells lotion that has hemp in it is because the THC does not enter into the body....

[silkyblue]

dont they make hemp clothing?
thats legalization :rasta: if Ive ever seen it :jointsmile:

I think its in the process of upwardness but some say us Potheads havent fought" long and hard " [ MORE POT SMOKERS NEED TO COME OUT] for legalization since 1932, they first arrested a farmer for smokin its on the NORMAL weB site

[zsouj]

I think MJ will be legal all over the world someday, like alcohol... I just think I won't be alive to see that (and I'm 22)

[Paulkishi]

I think it will become legal. I believe in that history repeats itself, and just like prohibition (the ban of alcohol) was disbanded in the 20's, weed will become legal sooner or later. The reason I think it is taking so long is that back then senators knew and remembered how good alcohol was and what life was like when it was legal. Marijuana being legalized will be a much longer process because there were no senators around when marijuana actually was legal, but of course things like this take time and I do believe it will be legalized.

[TheJuggla]

Luckily I live in the prime spot of BC so cops dont do shit

[silkyblue]

cops have way too much power!! In America!!

do other countrys drug test? I bet not! drug testing has innocent potheads by the throat!! Whats worse? no people for jobs ?? They claim to have!!

partnership for a drug free America!! yeah right!! BULLSUGAR!

How many Washington, DC parties with tax payer $$ are they havin now?, I know what they do I!!:pimp: them fockers [CONGRESS AND SENATORS] are partyin on the stinkin roofs!

legalize weed! + + stay out of our underwear!!

:rasta::pimp::jointsmile::thumbsup:

[maik]

If you know about the US Constitution (and have read it), and the US's part as a member of the international community, the following is already known to you

Currently, the way the US Constitution is written, marijuana CANNOT be made legal, and the US is bound by the Constitution to KEEP marijuana illegal.

It would take a Constitutional amendment, at the present time, to make marijuana legal.

For the same reason that it is illegal, the US is required to maintain some sort of punishment even if decriminalized.

Manufacture and distribution, CANNOT be decriminalized, under the Constitution, while in the US, possession is able to be decriminalized.

Also,

It will become legal when smokers (of whatever age) start presenting themselves in a more positive mature light...like the BC3...

I'm not going to slam Emery, but what he's doing now is hardly "positive".

I WISH that marijuana was legal, starting yesterday. In the meanwhile, I'm hiding.

[wickerbill]

I believe that weed will undoubtably be legalized . The question is when. At some point I think that we have to help ourselves by educating those who have been brain washed by the anti-weed propaganda. Our side is millions strong and would be a powerful force that would have to be reckoned with, the immediate problem is that this government is effectively chipping away at our constitution every day with no checks. The rich and the corporations that rape the land, poison the water and stack the deck in their favor and own the politicians ie oil companies, drug companies, pulp industry, etc. would at the least lose buisness and, in my opinion, at best go out of buisness. Weed & hemp is truly the tree of life, everything has a purpose and hemp has countless positives!!!!!:smokin:

[Purple_x_power]

as much as i love getting high, i think america will not legalize it because they cannot make gross amounts of money off of it. Most good bud is not from around here so they cannot harvest it and sell it to the american people so it considered "bad"

[CannabisIsGood]

im sure theres a chance it can be legal. but maybe in like a few more years with a new set of people running the gov't as someone stated earlier. people who care more about what the people of their nation actually need rather than the money that gets involved with it. but if it does become legal, i think vendors of cannabis wont be able to make as much as they can because of other people already growing their own stuff. (i didn't mean that in an offensive way)

[silkyblue]

:jointsmile:

If we all come out ??

my fam would theya er 26 strong pro pot!!

weve fought way to long!!

:jointsmile::rasta::pimp::rastasmoke:

[LA.Jgirl]

If everyone stands up for what they believe.

[JohnHerer]

I thought it was legal in the late 1930s.

Or maybe earlier than that.

So my answer is yes.

:D :jointsmile:

My question to you is that would weed be legal again in America?

I was being sarcastic.

:giggity: :bigsmoke:

[Quantummist]

Yes it was legal until the Tax Stamp Act of 34 I think. At the Worldfair you could walk into a smoking parlor and smoke from a Hooka, either pot, hash or oil dripped by an auto drip into a heated bowl as the hooka captured and blew the smoke into your lungs. Before you went for the stroll arm and arm down the midway.

And of course who could forget the first drug czar Anslinger. His reason for enforcement was that this new drug coming up from Mexico was causing white girls to listen to jazz music and hang out with black men.

The History of this noble weed is amazing

[Quantummist]

Oh.. and about why it won't be legal I have to hedge my bet and say it will be legal in a controled way.. We will get legal for med use.. and we may get a small personal use law, but your never gona be able to plant 20 acres out back in it. And your not going to be able to sell your bud a QP on sat night..

[damnwhatsmyname]

I wish that they would hurry up:hippy:

[Quantummist]

I wish that they would hurry up:hippy:

Thats why its taking so long.. Your letting Them do it.. If instead of They ,Think WE... and it would happen much faster.

If you want to help speed things up start with education on its history and usages , Knowledge is Power, Then Vote.. Tell everyone you can to Vote and at some point futures collide...

[JohnnyII]

If you know about the US Constitution (and have read it), and the US's part as a member of the international community, the following is already known to you

Currently, the way the US Constitution is written, marijuana CANNOT be made legal, and the US is bound by the Constitution to KEEP marijuana illegal.

It would take a Constitutional amendment, at the present time, to make marijuana legal.

For the same reason that it is illegal, the US is required to maintain some sort of punishment even if decriminalized.

Manufacture and distribution, CANNOT be decriminalized, under the Constitution, while in the US, possession is able to be decriminalized.

Also,


I'm not going to slam Emery, but what he's doing now is hardly "positive".

I WISH that marijuana was legal, starting yesterday. In the meanwhile, I'm hiding.

Actually, you're wrong. Because it isn't talked about in the Constitution, the Federal Government can't (or isn't supposed to) make any federal decision of the legality of marijuana. The way our government was supposed to work is that if it wasn't in the Constitution, the Federal Government could have no say in it. Only the States have the power to ban or allow certain substances or social services (public schools, Social Security, etc).

However, we have long strayed against the libertarian ideology that founded our Constitution.

[Quantummist]

Originally Posted by maik View Post
If you know about the US Constitution (and have read it), and the US's part as a member of the international community, the following is already known to you

Currently, the way the US Constitution is written, marijuana CANNOT be made legal, and the US is bound by the Constitution to KEEP marijuana illegal.

It would take a Constitutional amendment, at the present time, to make marijuana legal.

For the same reason that it is illegal, the US is required to maintain some sort of punishment even if decriminalized.

Manufacture and distribution, CANNOT be decriminalized, under the Constitution, while in the US, possession is able to be decriminalized.



If you read it that way how do you explain it was Legal to Grow/Harvest/Smoke in Public ect. until 1933 and was only after the Tax Stamp Act and that was an act not an Amendment was passed that made it so.. Unless you are speaking of Treaties were the Constitution requires the U.S. abide by such in the international community.. If thats what you speak of then we need only withdraw from said treaties..

Specifically of which do you speak...

[Gennaro]

it must be imsure once i join the army im going to make a lil speach about cannabis and making it legal.

[angry nomad]

If you know about the US Constitution (and have read it), and the US's part as a member of the international community, the following is already known to you

Currently, the way the US Constitution is written, marijuana CANNOT be made legal, and the US is bound by the Constitution to KEEP marijuana illegal.

It would take a Constitutional amendment, at the present time, to make marijuana legal.

For the same reason that it is illegal, the US is required to maintain some sort of punishment even if decriminalized.

Manufacture and distribution, CANNOT be decriminalized, under the Constitution, while in the US, possession is able to be decriminalized.

Also,


I'm not going to slam Emery, but what he's doing now is hardly "positive".

I WISH that marijuana was legal, starting yesterday. In the meanwhile, I'm hiding.

Nowhere in the U.S. constitution does it say pot is illegal, nor in any Amendment to the Constitution. It's a federal law. The best thing that can be done right now, is to repeal the federal law, and leave it up to the states to decide.

[FriendlyWalrus]

For all intents and purposes, weed could almost be considered legal already, in places like california. I have bros there and from what I gather if the cops catch you with tree, the worst they''ll usually do is make you dump it out. I've also heard that there is a law there that forbids the police from making campaigns to route out weed an arrest those who posess it, which I think is smart. They should be worried about murders going down in south central, not about a couple of college kids who have some plants in their pockets.

[Mr Kreaky Bones]

Not until I am very old. Medical purposes are definitely the path to legalization. If a majority of people get recommendations in the states that currently offer it then it will create enough pressure to allow other states to follow.

If you live in a state that allows medical recommendations then it is your obligation to try to obtain one.

[the image reaper]

simple fact: when you read the news articles about how USA is growing and selling BILLIONS of dollars of weed every year, and is possibly the country's #1 cash crop, that should tell you it WON'T be legalized ... if the government doesn't want it legal, and the growers/dealers don't want it legal (prices would fall thru the floor) ... it just ain't gonna happen ... as they say, "follow the money" ... I've been active in this 'legalize MJ' crowd for MANY years, (I'm old) and we are FARTHER from legalization, not closer ... :smokin:

[Markass]

yes, more americans smoke marijuana now than ever, more start, more find out that it isn't as intense/harmful as alcohol, despite what they've been told their entire lives. It's becoming less and less of a secret...younger people are someday going to be making the decisions, it wont be too much longer..

[Tox]

In America? Never. :)

They are too fixated on trying to control everyone there, by that I mean giving drug tests when no needed and doing testing in some schools.

I think the people will end up losing control before it is legalized there.

Maybe when the dinosaur politicians die off, some younger ones from this generation will come through and changes might take place, but in the next 50 years or so, I just don't see it happening.


ya thats pretty much my same view on it.

[that stoner kid]

it better be

[Demon Cleaner]

I don't know about America, but cannabis will probably be legal in Norway in a few years. And how do I know that? My weedsmoking sister had a very interesting conversation with a cop (!) about legislation when she was caught with hash in her posession (she had to pay a fine). The cop said that it would probably be legal within 7 years! :D And this was over a year ago. When it's coming from a police officer there has got to be some truth to it.

[silkyblue]

Lets have a world wide hemp fest!

World wide !!!

:rastasmoke::jointsmile::rasta::pimp:

pot is harmless!

:jointsmile:

[Reefer Rogue]

2038 it will be legal. Perhaps a few years before.

Legalize it.

[Mr. Clandestine]

It will become legal; it's all just a matter of time, education, and nationwide understanding. I can't remember the exact figures, but something like 48% of Americans over the age of eighteen have tried marijuana, and/or use it on a semi-regular basis. That's roughly 150 million Americans who are technically "criminals" in the eyes of the federal government. But many of those Americans are federal officials, too. Many are doctors. Many are lawyers. Most are otherwise law-abiding citizens, leading otherwise normal lives...with one exception, they don't fall prey to the rhetoric and taboo revolving around the use of this "illicit & dangerous" drug.

Luckily, studies are scientifically disproving many of the remaining myths about the dangers of marijuana, and more and more respected members of society are starting to passionately defend it's use as a beneficial medicine. On the flip side, there's still the endless debate over restitution for those convicted of marijuana related criminal charges...what would become of the monumental DEA task force, who for the last seventy some-odd years, have been assigned to harass peaceful pot smokers...how the government would regulate the manufacture of what will inevitably be an enormous cash-crop...etcetera, and so forth.

Alcohol was illegal for a time, until the government and citizens realized that it could be regulated and monetized upon. This helped to eliminate the black market, and of course, led to the repeal of the prohibition. But which, in everyone's opinion, is the more dangerous substance: alcohol, or THC? Pretty much all of these kinds of studies have remained pretty conclusive. If something that can destroy your liver/esophagus/brain/possibly even life, can be wholeheartedly approved for responsible use...why can't something that's continually proven to be harmless - sometimes even useful - get the same preferential treatment by the government?

Remember, we're not here for the good of the government...the government is here defend & represent us, her citizens. We do have a voice. We just need to help more people understand that, and we all need to use it.

[Comatose]

simple fact: when you read the news articles about how USA is growing and selling BILLIONS of dollars of weed every year, and is possibly the country's #1 cash crop, that should tell you it WON'T be legalized ... if the government doesn't want it legal, and the growers/dealers don't want it legal (prices would fall thru the floor) ... it just ain't gonna happen ... as they say, "follow the money" ... I've been active in this 'legalize MJ' crowd for MANY years, (I'm old) and we are FARTHER from legalization, not closer ... :smokin:


Very valid point, but my girlfriend makes a counter that I thought I should note. This is going to be lengthy, so light one up and relax for a few :)

While the governement does rake in billions of dollars annually on seizing properties/assets/money of those affiliated with MJ use, they then have to spend even more housing/taking care of these individuals in the prison system. Last I had heard, it cost over $18,000 to house one individual in a prison per year, if they don't get sick/assualted/hurt (which never happens, lol).

The government also pays a lot of money for extra police/task forces designed only to fight MJ, such as police choppers/cameras, narcs, k9 units, infrared cameras, etc. What about the extra workers at customs that check for our seeds manually every day. I bet that all of these poeple make plenty of money. Shouldn't customs be worried about more important things?

I don't think that the government makes money off of MJ use. The only people that are pulling a profit are the ones selling it.

She believes that it is still illegal for a couple of reasons. Since the baby boomers (people born in the 20's and 30's) were born into a world where everyone told them MJ was the devils weed/evil/etc, they don't know anything else. When these extremist's are out of office or dying of old age, they will be replaced by our generation. This generation is not as oblivious or gullable into believing that MJ is harmful, because we KNOW that it is not. We have seen our mothers and fathers grow and smoke for 40+ years without cancers/brain damage. We aren't stupid enough to believe EVERYTHING we hear (an advertiser loves gullable folk). It actually makes me laugh when an 80 year old senator calls all MJ users TERRORISTS, hahahaha lol. Do you think this person has any idea of what reality is? Who gave this moron any power?

Also, the state governments are starting to realize that any issue not covered in the constitution is supposed to be STATE regulated. She believes that as more states go against the FDA's judgement about MJ being an un-usable drug, and we have atleast 25 states with a MMJ policy (1/2 the states), we will see a push federally (AFTER any elections) to let each individual state decide its own policies against MJ use. She also believes that more and more politicians know that MJ is harmless, but especially during election periods, these folks are pushed by party affiliates to not commit "political suicide" and endorce MJ use.

Even though the US is no where near the top as far as population, we have the highest prison population in the world. We are ignorant and stupid to hold MJ users here, because it is an expensive waste of resources, and CRUEL AND UNUSUAL punishment. These people are held in close proximity to real drug users, murderers, and rapists. These criminals hurt/use/and abuse (rape) MJ users... "Penalties against a drug should not be more dangerous to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marijuana." President Jimmy Carter

As the government wastes billions of dollars annually on this war on drugs (specifically MJ) there is no curb in usage or the availability. Most teenagers admit openly that it is easier to score a dime bag than a bottle of beer. Tell the government to stop using your tax dollars on this war, and other wars that you may or may not be against :-p (no comment on this thread, lol)

The more that MJ use is socially acceptable, the better chance that we have of legalization. As long as MJ users keep acting responsibly, and destinguishing themselves apart from real drug users, more and more of the public will know the truth.

[demonicronz]

it will end up legal to use, but illegal to grow so the man can make all the money off of it.

[aries ormazd]

Wouldnt it be awesome to go to the gas station and pick up a sack

[Unknown American]

No way in Hell! To many pharmaceutical companies and politicians make huge amounts of money from the drug war.

It will never happen in America.

[The White Monk]

Never ever ever ever ever ever. Ever.

[TheLandofTheFree]

i want it to but i voted no. if it does though it will be a LONG LONG time from now.
Why did you vote no? I just have to know. Was it out of fear?

[TheLandofTheFree]

No, I don't think it ever will. This country has made such a negative image about marijuana labeling it as a "gateway" drug. The commercials of kids being high and being so dazed they run a kid over coming out of a drive-thru or shooting a gun that they think is not real are prime examples of how far the government has gone to make pot look bad. Like someone said, MAYBE they would decriminalize it but NEVER make it legal. In the governments eyes it would just be the next step to making crack legal.

[thedudeisin]

Nah, the U.S. doesnt like the thought of having a drug that can ACTUALLY change a person's state of mind, in such small quantities. Beer for example, takes quite a bit to actaully change the mental state of being. Although, there was a prohibition on that and they removed it. i guess maybe theres hope.
I gotta say, im ok with it being illegal at this point tho, adds to the thrill. if it was legal everyone would be doing it, and it just wouldnt be the same.
im sure ill get some shit for that.

[HyeCobra]

here is why they should not legalize weed

Big tobacco companies like R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris will take weed mass produce it up the fucking ass and make it into total shit

[illnillinois]

I see decriminalization happening , but legalization? No, not for a looong time.

i agree with this person..
but its up to the people and who they vote for and how much people get involved and voice themselfs

[Mayack419]

I believe it should be legal. I hear ya on the "corruption" tip, but the way I look at it, we'll have options. You can go to the store now and buy factory produced vegetables, or you can go to a farmer's market where private individuals bring their goods to sell. I would hope that if it is ever legalized, it will be on the same level as that. You could run up to the 7/11 and pick up some with preservatives and additives, or you can run down the the local "growers" market and pick up the pure shit. Or hell, GROW YOUR OWN!!! :thumbsup:

[ijustloveweed]

hope so , like people have said its up to who we vote for and such

[ijustloveweed]

holy shit Mayack419, you have a trippy ass avatar:Tomcat::buzz_saw::icon506:



im baked

[cwesto]

here is why they should not legalize weed

Big tobacco companies like R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris will take weed mass produce it up the fucking ass and make it into total shit

I dont kno about that, I have a feeling taht if it were to ever become legal in the US, there would be a hell of a tax on it.

[SFGurrilla]

If it ever is made legal. I doubt they will sell it as they would cigs man. They would allow it to be strictly medical and only. California has the system pretty well covered. They should expand it more. The problem with pot is it effects people differently and people do it to; get fucked up, high, pain relief, medical. Some reasons wouldn't be legit, it fucks some people up to much and they do it anyway. Also if it was made legal, the Cartels and Mafias that bring it in would become those most powerful people on earth.

[dnbkidd]

In the US? Yes most def. Within our lifetimes for sure. Who knows if I will still be puffing at that point, but I will always support legalization.

Actually I don't feel nationwide decrim is to far off. After that its only a small step away.

It really depends on how this next election goes. Vote Democratic. All of the Candidates Dem candidates have a really good stance when it comes to Marijuana. All have stated that they would never use federal troops/powers to arrest MM users. This is a step in the right direction.

Candidates Positions on Medical Marijuana (http://granitestaters.com/candidates/)

Biden has the lowest with a B+, most have A ratings.

Legalization will be a process, it won't happen over night.

Essentially, most Americans are realizing its a waste of resources. My city has major issues regarding crack cocaine use, simply put most police feel its a waste of time to arrest marijuana users, they may dump out your bag, but they won't arrest you. I haven't heard of a marijuana possesion charge in my city for years. I've been puffing for almost a decade.

It won't ever be sold like cigs, more closer to the Cali system, without the perscription requirement.

Think about it, more and more Americans smoke marijuana at least once in there lifetimes. Even if some don't enjoy it, how many feel it should be illegal after smoking it. More and more Political candidates are being frank about their usage, Barack Obama in particular is willing to take an honest look at marijuana.

Even nationwide decrim would be a victory. Many American metro areas are going this way already. Of course I'd like to see full legalization, but if its decrimned nation wide I would be happy.

[Balkey]

If it ever is made legal. I doubt they will sell it as they would cigs man. They would allow it to be strictly medical and only. California has the system pretty well covered. They should expand it more. The problem with pot is it effects people differently and people do it to; get fucked up, high, pain relief, medical. Some reasons wouldn't be legit, it fucks some people up to much and they do it anyway. Also if it was made legal, the Cartels and Mafias that bring it in would become those most powerful people on earth.


We, as free people, who have freedom, should have the CHOICE to put whatever we choose in our bodies. Now if it DOES fuck you up too much, like alcohol, their will be laws in accordance. Maybe a DWS....driving while stoned. lol But, I want to be able to do whatever the fuck I want to do to my body without the government placing me in jail. Isn't that suppose to be freedom?

[Balkey]

If it ever is made legal. I doubt they will sell it as they would cigs man. They would allow it to be strictly medical and only. California has the system pretty well covered. They should expand it more. The problem with pot is it effects people differently and people do it to; get fucked up, high, pain relief, medical. Some reasons wouldn't be legit, it fucks some people up to much and they do it anyway. Also if it was made legal, the Cartels and Mafias that bring it in would become those most powerful people on earth.

Also, the 2 things that have little medical benefit and ARE legal are alcohol and cigarettes. Although they have some medical benefit, marijuana has 100 times that. If you'd like to know most of its benefits Storm Crow made a very useful post of all her marijuana related information.

Here's the link to her thread. Sit there for a couple of days and read it all. EVERYTHING.
http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-cannabis-health/126827-granny-s-links-cannabis-health-related-abstracts.html

[trainwreck530]

i sure as hell hope not,,,otherwise id lose alot of money:D

itd be cool, but like you guys said, too many politic/corporate bullshit. the herb is too free and liberating for the powers at be to legalize it....people might actually think for themselves instead of echoing the monotone feed of media/society.

im gonna go with the rouge..maybe someday when all of the old bullshit dies off and changes. then again at that point there might not be civilization..hard 2 say man:confused:

donny:rhinoceros:

[StOnEdMoNk]

i think one day it will and the government could make so much money with the taxes on it and besides how many stoners go and rob banks only thing they r robbing is the cubbords maybe a vending machine look at all the deaths and crimes caused from alchohol and ciggerettes are legal and 3600 ppl die a die from them no reported death caused from weed its an herb its put on this planet for a reason and also our trusty 1st president used to grow it legalize it america its pointless having it illegal worry about the worse drugs not some stoner on his couch ripping a bong and eating doritos

[StOnEdMoNk]

FUCK SPEED.........SMOKE WEED!! =)

[ferd]

i i think it will be legalized. it's to a point where just about everyone has tried it. there are politicians are publicly against it, but they do it in the "closet". drug testing can be dodged easy with other drugs. thc lasts so long. that is what the drug tests test for. my point in that is to many people own investments in the manufacturing companies that manyfacture the tests. legalization would put those companies out of bidness'. that's just one obsticle. the culture is growing rapidly. growing is enjoyable. tasting different strainds is hitting like wine tasting is to wine conisures. head shops, cafes, hemp products, accessory manufacturing, these are things that i think will be realized as big bidness' when it catches on. i think it will be at large real sone.

sorry for the babbling and spelling

[persianhippie]

yes i do beleive it will be legalized
it is jus like porbiation and i am impressed that our freedom fighter have not drawn blood in time after waiting it out we can be free of discrimination.

i thjought alot about it after mlk day people no longer judge as much from religon skin or watever but now they judge by your choices or beliefs its a real shame

[Mr. Clandestine]

FUCK SPEED.........SMOKE WEED!! =)

Wholeheartedly agreed! :jointsmile:

[boybuds]

"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice."

MLK

[smok3y]

No chance..

[PotStar]

Sup dudes. I see this thread is a few months old. Sorry if I bring it up.

I vote yes. The legalization of marijuana would have to be step by step. First--Will be the decriminalized of marijuana. Such people as Obama and Edwards have stated in there candidacy. Then, when seen no harm done and unfortunately, ignorant people still need more tests about marijuana potential. Sooner or later (Hopefully in my lifetime) will be legalized. :jointsmile:

[netdog]

I vote yes. Watching this from the late 60's until today it's moved toward legalization inch by inch the entire time.

All it would take right now is for smokers to represent a solid block of voters large enough to help get a politician elected.

Say, if 25 million smokers banded into something like the "cannabis league of voters" and represented campaign funds and 25 million solid votes to swing behind candidate pot would be legal real fast.

[jcash88]

Right now here in Ri they are considering raising the legal Poisson amount. However, i believe it will take some time before it is entirely legal

[5016169]

EVIL pharm companys will never allow our govt to allow weed to be legalized...

I agree with jimmy. I don't see it being legal at the federal level in my lifetime :( The general population is so fucking dumb.

[sammer]

Marijuana will most definitely become legal when people realize all the lies that have been to told them about it. A lot of people want it legalized regulated and taxed like alcohol or tobacco, the people are ahead pf the government.

[boaz]

State wide I'd say in the next 10 years in a lot of states. Federally, I have no idea. If you're in the west you have a pretty good shot of seeing it legalized. Places like CA, OR, WA, AZ, CO, and NV. These states have a libertarian leaning you don't find in the east nearly as much. Generally speaking; they're not fond of the government telling them what they can do. It all relates back to the old days when settlers moved out here for mining, religious persecution, and farming cheap land.

Yes, I agree with PatrickHenry. :greenthumb:

[cannamanibus]

I thought it was legal already? Yah give it like 20 years in the U.S.A, and all these old Life-term senate people will die off with their old ways and people who are 20-30 now will be in office. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, so it will be allowed again. And really when it comes to punishment in TX, it is about the same as alcohol if not better. IONO Either way its a Misdemeanor, if you get caught driving with it, or drunk. You won't get caught at your house, hopefully, and its pretty easy to get. ITS LEGAL!!! Like im saying, just as legal as alcohol damn near. Is it me or is their like 1500 Marijuana dispensaries in the U.S.A running now? I have a feeling thats more than coffee shops in amsterdam. U and I both know that 85% of this medical shit is just a good reason to push for it being legal one way or the other. Anyone can get their card pretty much. So yah.

[boaz]

note: PatrickHenry's predictions were from about 2 years ago, but spot on I think. If you look at this map below you can see that legal med use at the state level is budding all across the west and select parts of the east.

My guess is Californians will pass this (http://www.taxcannabis2010.org/) initiative next Nov. If they do, then as provided by the California Constitution, it will become the law of the land the next day. :cool:

If this happens, I predict Oakland and S.F. will offer fully legal cannabis sales to adults. Possibly L.A. county, too. :pimp:

[boaz]

yes. yes, we can. :jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

nope ... follow the money ... :smokin:

[smello]

nope ... follow the money ... :smokin:

;)Too much money for local, state and fed leos to give up;)

[boaz]

nope ... follow the money ... :smokin:

true. it is huge river of cash. These guys out in Oaksterdam :stoned: seem like they have the right idea to me, tho. start small. give people a choice: purchase legal taxed bud from a green county :D or grow your own or get it from your buddy who knows someone, it don't matter. let the market decide where the cash flows. :detective1:



November 23 at 7:00 PM
Oaksterdam University
1776 Broadway (at 19th St)
Oakland, CA 94612

November 24 at 7:30 PM
Green Door
843 Howard St
San Francisco, CA 94103

[greenghost]

i definitely think marijuana will be legalized; i think proposition 19 will pass and then other states will follow; this is because people are realizing the truth about the all natural drug. the only problem is getting these politicians to actually look and acknowledge the benefits.


Brown and Whitman meet on Prop. 19 (http://simplecannabis.com/marijuana/brown-and-whitman-will-meet-on-prop-19/)

[cannibalism]

yes i do think it will in england some day i hope so them dumb fucks called the government will have to listen to the scientists and know it dose no harm to you and look at what problems alcohol costs the govenment in the nhs,police everything all that can come out of legalizing cannibis is good surley well we all know the govenment love money and we all know how much they could make legalizing weed

[boaz]

^ welcome. Good luck on the other side of the pond. guess, we'll see about Prop 19 tomorrow. Good luck, everyone! vote! this is one case when it really will accomplish something. :jointsmile:

[boaz]

and if Prop 19 does pass ... my advice. think of the 1972 Dolphins. just act like it was expected. not big surprise, really. :cool:

[stuweed224]

When a majority of Americans want marijuana legalized, it will be.
It really is that simple.
Do a majority of Americans want it legalized? No, not right now.
That is how America works; majority.