Oprah a god?

[Samwhore]

Okay, many soccer moms and other girls worship Oprah like a god,

personally, I dont give a crap about Oprah or what she does, Id do the same if I had the money, charity and all that

I just dont see how so many people are obsessed with her

[MastaChronic]

i worship you...

[Gatekeeper777]

Opera can suck my balls.
the bitch has the nearve to open a school in AFRICA then ask american school childern to send in pennies to fund it!
Fuck her. she opened it she should fund it.
I hope those Starving Africans eat the fat pig!
With schools here in the US being underfunded and she pulls shit like that.
someone needs to change the bateries on her vibrator. the hog!

[TheAtomicPunk]

Damn I thought I was gonna have to flame someone for actuallying thinking Oprah was god...

I heard about that school in Africa. The institution of Oprah Winfrey(So baked and forget her last name I think), lawl

[Matt the Funk]

LOL I hate her so much.

[Samwhore]

I like how all guys replied to this thread

[delusionsofNORMALity]

noticed the thread title on my way through and just thought i'd let y'all know that the catholic church has officially identified oprah winfrey as the anti-christ. hopefully this will answer any questions you may have on the subject.


we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[napolitana869]

I think shes a good role model. Pulling yourself up from your own boot straps type of thing

[BabyFacedAbortion]

fuck oprah.

[Skink]

Well concidering the play a whore like Anna can get,,,you really have to respect Oprah... She came from nothing too... talk and saying if I had her money is wrong cause she is self made... Much respect here...

[birdgirl73]

Much respect here, too. She's smart and philanthropic in countless ways. She has done more for the cause of books and literacy than anyone in the last 15 years, I suspect. She's done vast work here in the U.S. for education, too, Gatekeeper, but she chose to build her first academy in South Africa because the kids and culture there are more interested in education than low-income American kids and their education culture are. Not just her opinion. That's a fact. South Africa also had special meaning because she grew up in a Mississippi situation that was just as bleakly poor as most of those girls, a level of poverty that's now very hard to find here. Also, this isn't the only such institution she'll fund. She's looking at future ones here.

Oprah must be easy to hate because she's such a well-known, wealthy public figure. But if you look at what she's done, besides airing a well-done TV show for so many years that has drawn attention to thousands of important issues, there are few men or women anywhere who even come close to doing what she's done for poor children, families and education around the world. Philanthropy on that scale deserves a lot of respect.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

Much respect here, too. She's smart and philanthropic in countless ways. She has done more for the cause of books and literacy than anyone in the last 15 years, I suspect. She's done vast work here in the U.S. for education, too, Gatekeeper, but she chose to build her first academy in South Africa because the kids and culture there are more interested in education than low-income American kids and their education culture are. Not just her opinion. That's a fact. South Africa also had special meaning because she grew up in a Mississippi situation that was just as bleakly poor as most of those girls, a level of poverty that's now very hard to find here. Also, this isn't the only such institution she'll fund. She's looking at future ones here.

Oprah must be easy to hate because she's such a well-known, wealthy public figure. But if you look at what she's done, besides airing a well-done TV show for so many years that has drawn attention to thousands of important issues, there are few men or women anywhere who even come close to doing what she's done for poor children, families and education around the world. Philanthropy on that scale deserves a lot of respect.
Thanks Birdie, you saved me the effort of posting:)

Don't Oprah hate! Participate ;):hippy:

[Skink]

Don't Oprah hate! Participate ;)

LOLz...

And Thanks BG,,, You know me I get lazy and don't spell out stuff... I proclaim you my orator...

[Nochowderforyou]

Oprah is sooooo full of herself. She has her own magazine with pictures of herself in it. :p I know it's her magazine, but I guess we don't see enough of her face that she has to be in every frame on her TV show, and on the cover of her magazine, and in the magazine.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I don't "hate" Oprah. She is simply a multi-millionaire entertainment celebrity, with an average intelligence, that is incapable of producing, or understanding, anything other than lowbrow culture.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I don't "hate" Oprah. She is simply a multi-millionaire entertainment celebrity that is incapable of producing, or understanding, anything other than lowbrow.
Define lowbrow. Do you consider the works of Maya Angelou,Toni Morrison, and Alice Walker to be "lowbrow"? Because if you do, I'd like to know what you consider to be intellectually superior to being a Poet Laureate? Or in Toni Morrison's case, to winning both a Pulitzer prize AND the Nobel Prize in Literature. Or in Alice Walker's case, a Pulitzer prize and the O. Henry Award. Oprah counts all these women among her personal friends and mentors. Hardly the social circle of someone who is incapable of understanding anything other than lowbrow.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Define lowbrow. Do you consider the works of Maya Angelou,Toni Morrison, and Alice Walker to be "lowbrow"? Because if you do, I'd like to know what you consider to be intellectually superior to being a Poet Laureate? Or in Toni Morrison's case, to winning both a Pulitzer prize AND the Nobel Prize in Literature. Or in Alice Walker's case, a Pulitzer prize and the O. Henry Award. Oprah counts all these women among her personal friends and mentors. Hardly the social circle of someone who is incapable of understanding anything other than lowbrow.

Those awards are all political, just like the Oscars, and others. Crap is crap, no matter how many awards they throw at it.

Hey, it's only my opinion. ;)

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

Those awards are all political, just like the Oscars, and others. Crap is crap, no matter how many awards they throw at it.

Hey, it's only my opinion. ;)
Spoken like someone with no facts to back up a statement. Do you read anything other than the boards here, and Nietzsche? Would you know good literature if it bit you in the fanny?

I asked you to define lowbrow. Failing that, would you post an example or two of what you consider to be good literature and why?

[JeenYuss]

i want to father oprahs baby

[Breukelen advocaat]

Spoken like someone with no facts to back up a statement. Do you read anything other than the boards here, and Nietzsche? Would you know good literature if it bit you in the fanny?

I asked you to define lowbrow. Failing that, would you post an example or two of what you consider to be good literature and why?

This is not a question of "fact" - it's my opinion. and I am not a critic of literature. I do not believe that any amount of examples of worthwhile art will sway your view.

[Hansel]

Oprah's a tit.
End of.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

This is not a question of "fact" - it's my opinion. and I am not a critic of literature. I do not believe that any amount of examples of worthwhile art will sway your view.
To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.
~Friedrich Nietzsche

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

Oprah's a tit.
End of.

"Mediocrity always attacks excellence."

~Dr. Michael Beckwith

[stinkyattic]

To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.
~Friedrich Nietzsche

WOW and with his own hero to boot.
You never cease to amaze me with your quick wit.

[RyanTheCaveman]

Hmmm...she must be anti-drug.

[Hansel]

"Mediocrity always attacks excellence."

~Dr. Michael Beckwith

I'm sorry but Oprah has just never really done it for me. I think it's an American thing. You really don't have the same phenomena here in Europe with her as in the states. No one really buys into that talk show thing too much in my experience. Granted she is a successful woman, and fair play to her for that and what she has achieved and all that. But quite frankly i just think most of it his hype. It's just not for me :hippy:

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

;) I just prefer for people to have actual reasons for their statements.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I'm sorry but Oprah has just never really done it for me. I think it's an American thing. You really don't have the same phenomena here in Europe with her as in the states. No one really buys into that talk show thing too much in my experience. Granted she is a successful woman, and fair play to her for that and what she has achieved and all that. But quite frankly i just think most of it his hype. It's just not for me :hippy:
Thank you Hansel. I give much more credit to your above statement. It shows critical thought.;)

[Breukelen advocaat]

To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.
~Friedrich Nietzsche


The books and authors that you are espousing as worthwhile would have been tossed in the trash by him.
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Stupidity at work
by James Bowman

Stupidity at work by James Bowman (http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/18/oct99/bowman.htm)

........What can account for such a lamentable failure of literary perception? The answer is hardly far to seek, and is neatly summed up in a brave piece in the September Harperâ??s by Francine Prose, â??I Know Why the Caged Bird Cannot Read.â?� That brilliant title, just a smack at Maya Angelou, is both a positively Angelouvian mixed metaphor and a synecdoche for Miss Angelouâ??s disastrous influence on the teaching of English in this country.

Basing her assessment of that influence on the experience of her own two sons and a collection of some eighty high school reading lists, Miss Prose deplores the â??lemminglike fervor with which our universities have rushed to sacrifice complexity for diversity.â?� The result is that kids have â??slogged repeatedly through the manipulative melodramas of Alice Walker and Maya Angelou, through sentimental, middlebrow favorites (To Kill a Mockingbird and A Separate Peace), the weaker novels of John Steinbeck, the fantasies of Ray Bradbury.â?�

.......The result, as we now see, is that we have books about irony by twenty-four-year-olds whose knowledge of the subject comes from television and whose bibliography does not include even the names of Chaucer or Cervantes or Molière or Voltaire or Dryden or Swift or Pope or Johnson or Dickens or Twain. What he sees as the â??ironyâ?� of â??Seinfeldâ?� is actually, like that of so much of the popular culture (see, for example, Kurt Andersenâ??s new novel Turn of the Century, which is full of it), a double ironyâ??irony about being ironic. This undercuts (as it is intended to do) the moral seriousness and purpose of simple irony and so produces the Seinfeldian nihilism which is what Purdy really objects to. I suppose it is something to be hopeful about that the moral hackles of this â??Generation Xerâ?� (a title which, to give him his due, he deplores, though Douglas Couplandâ??s name does appear in the bibliography) have been raised, but it would make us feel a lot better if we thought he knew what they had been raised about

[Samwhore]

what a rant thread this has become

[Breukelen advocaat]

MAGAZINE REVIEWS
Back-to-school issues
(Magazines reviewed: The Atlantic Monthly, Harper's Magazine, The Washington Monthly)
by Seth Rogovoy

Along the way, Prose skewers Maya Angelou's writing, which is at the top of most high-school reading lists. About Angelou's "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings," she writes, "To hold up this book as a paradigm of memoir, of thought - of literature - is akin to inviting doctors convicted of malpractice to instruct our medical students."

:thumbsup:



Back-to-school issues by Seth Rogovoy (http://www.berkshireweb.com/rogovoy/other/back.html)

[gabee42ee]

Samwhores right and i dont get it my mom watches her everyday and the bitch never watches t.v. and no one can talk while its on. and once in a while i catch a episoid and it amazes me when mad people come on the show talking about how she really changed there lives. I meen its good shes helped so many people but i dont get how watching a show can change ur life?

[birdgirl73]

Are you a reader of books both modern and classic, Breukelen? I'm just curious about whether you do indeed read. I've seen you quote Nietzsche and cut and past other e-text. But I'd like to know if you ever sit down with an open mind and simply read. (I'm not asking about magazines or periodicals. Actual books.)

I hope you'll do some research into how Nobel and Pulitzer literature awards are nominated, selected, and awarded. Those are very thorough and balanced selection processes, as are other book awards like the Caldecott Medal, Newberry award, and PEN/Faulkner awards, among others. The early nominations often do involve politics, but the selections are generally very thoroughly vetted by educated, critical-thinking, respected readers and thinkers in the literary world.

Oprah may be famous. And she is certainly full of herself (most corporate chieftains and celebrities are). But I challenge you that someone of only average intelligence wouldn't be nearly as interested in books, in the condition of the world, in the promotion of education, and in doing as good a job running the huge corporation that she does. If you deem her show only as being about lowbrow culture, you've not ever watched it, I suspect, or have only done so very recently. The shows she's done on societal issues and problems affecting people are anything but lowbrow. Recently, I get the feeling that she's increasingly letting her subsidiary Dr. Phil producers tackle more and more of those societal/family/women's issues while she seems to be moving after more celebrity interviews, which I regret greatly. But her past work has included some socially important pieces: stories about female genital mutilation, abuse of various kinds, education, parenting issues, health care here and in other countries, political situations here and in other countries, and many more.

You never fail to baffle me. This time, the hardest-to-reconcile part of your comments was the quick dismissal of Oprah as only producing or understanding lowbrow culture. Yet you're the one who sees intellectual and cultural "wisdom" in The Kid From Brooklyn and has posted numerous links to his comments. It strikes me as terribly ironic that you'd characterize another "broadcaster" as lowbrow if you venerate that man as much as you seem to.

[napolitana869]

I am not a fan of dr. Phil at all.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Are you a reader of books both modern and classic, Breukelen? I'm just curious about whether you do indeed read. I've seen you quote Nietzsche and cut and past other e-text. But I'd like to know if you ever sit down with an open mind and simply read. (I'm not asking about magazines or periodicals. Actual books.)

I hope you'll do some research into how Nobel and Pulitzer literature awards are nominated, selected, and awarded. Those are very thorough and balanced selection processes, as are other book awards like the Caldecott Medal, Newberry award, and PEN/Faulkner awards, among others. The early nominations often do involve politics, but the selections are generally very thoroughly vetted by educated, critical-thinking, respected readers and thinkers in the literary world.

Oprah may be famous. And she is certainly full of herself (most corporate chieftains and celebrities are). But I challenge you that someone of only average intelligence wouldn't be nearly as interested in books, in the condition of the world, in the promotion of education, and in doing as good a job running the huge corporation that she does. If you deem her show only as being about lowbrow culture, you've not ever watched it, I suspect, or have only done so very recently. The shows she's done on societal issues and problems affecting people are anything but lowbrow. Recently, I get the feeling that she's increasingly letting her subsidiary Dr. Phil producers tackle more and more of those societal/family/women's issues while she seems to be moving after more celebrity interviews, which I regret greatly. But her past work has included some socially important pieces: stories about female genital mutilation, abuse of various kinds, education, parenting issues, health care here and in other countries, political situations here and in other countries, and many more.

You never fail to baffle me. This time, the hardest-to-reconcile part of your comments was the quick dismissal of Oprah as only producing or understanding lowbrow culture. Yet you're the one who sees intellectual and cultural "wisdom" in The Kid From Brooklyn and has posted numerous links to his comments. It strikes me as terribly ironic that you'd characterize another "broadcaster" as lowbrow if you venerate that man as much as you seem to.
I've "baffled" a lot of people. ;)

I never knocked Oprah's generous contributions to charity - but Dr. Phil? He's her toady and has sold out his life to her.

Lowbrow entertainment is fine sometimes. I like The Three Stooges, but they're beneath the Marx Brothers. The Kid from Brooklyn's fifteen minutes of fame is over.

I have read works by Swift, Twain, Chaucer, Dickens, Hemingway, Shakespeare, Poe, Mencken, Hume, and many other writings by various novelists, historians, philosophers, scientists, humorists, critics, etc.

The worship of Oprah and her league of chosen people, such as Michael Beckwith whom I won't even comment on, is a disgrace. I am not as qualified to criticize her literary circle of friends as a person with a background in language and English is, but I know that it's junk that serves as fodder for a "diversity" agenda within the politically correct modern society.

It's sad, really, when I see masses of people that SHOULD know better buying this junk and ignoring the worthwhile artists and their work. Turn on the radio, and you hear mostly garbage - and you see the same on TV, in print, and now theyâ??re teaching it in the schools, with our tax monies. Sad, very sad.

[birdgirl73]

Now I'm baffled because I have an entire hole in my knowledge of pop or Oprah-related culture. I have no idea who Michael Beckwith is! But I'm going to look on Google right now. How did I miss this person?

Glad you've read those writers. If you've read Twain, Hemingway, Chaucer, Dickens, Shakespeare, and Poe and liked them, then you've been exposed to lowbrow ideas, scenes, and interactions in volumes. So many of their works are full of those touches. They wanted to sell books and plays just like modern authors do.

As far as radio and TV are concerned, I do watch an occasional Oprah nightime re-rerun when it's about societal matters. But I do think she's sold out in a big way recently, and I think Phil McGraw's show is becoming increasingly "Springerized," which is sad because an understanding of our own psychology is important, I think. This is why nearly everything else I watch, other than "60 Minutes" and news magazine-type shows on the networks, is on PBS these days. And the only radio I listen to other than music is NPR. I agree that there's far too much crap out there.

[birdgirl73]

Oh heavens no. A spiritual guru? So this person is being promoted on Oprah or other shows? Someone tell me quick. This is the sort of thing I miss while I'm at school all day and wouldn't linger on if I ran across it. But it worries me.

[Skink]

I really never watched her tv show and don't even think of it when I think of her... She is amazing to me because of her conviction and making her dreams happen,,,She should me a role model for that alone...

[Chronic Chrissy]

Oparh has done many a great things and raised awearness to many areas of our worlds realitys that we in this culture overlook. She does enough celebrity nonsense to maintain her adiences and snag new veiwers then hits them with issues that they would other wise turned away from or not be at least minimally introduced to. She started from the shits and worked her way up which is to be respected along with overcoming her own personal trials to better herself. She may be ging a little overboard but wouldn't you if the oppertunity where there? Plus she helps draw attention to new products and small growing bussinesses often started by regular people with a goal who took a risk to get somewhere in life. I don't live by her but I do take what I can from her to better myself and my life much as I do in every aspect of my life. If you don't admit you have growing to do, you never reach for the light and stay stunted, while everyone around you takes what you sacrifice.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

The books and authors that you are espousing as worthwhile would have been tossed in the trash by him.
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Stupidity at work
by James Bowman

Stupidity at work by James Bowman (http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/18/oct99/bowman.htm)

........What can account for such a lamentable failure of literary perception? The answer is hardly far to seek, and is neatly summed up in a brave piece in the September Harperâ??s by Francine Prose, â??I Know Why the Caged Bird Cannot Read.â?� That brilliant title, just a smack at Maya Angelou, is both a positively Angelouvian mixed metaphor and a synecdoche for Miss Angelouâ??s disastrous influence on the teaching of English in this country.

Basing her assessment of that influence on the experience of her own two sons and a collection of some eighty high school reading lists, Miss Prose deplores the â??lemminglike fervor with which our universities have rushed to sacrifice complexity for diversity.â?� The result is that kids have â??slogged repeatedly through the manipulative melodramas of Alice Walker and Maya Angelou, through sentimental, middlebrow favorites (To Kill a Mockingbird and A Separate Peace), the weaker novels of John Steinbeck, the fantasies of Ray Bradbury.â?�

.......The result, as we now see, is that we have books about irony by twenty-four-year-olds whose knowledge of the subject comes from television and whose bibliography does not include even the names of Chaucer or Cervantes or Molière or Voltaire or Dryden or Swift or Pope or Johnson or Dickens or Twain. What he sees as the â??ironyâ?� of â??Seinfeldâ?� is actually, like that of so much of the popular culture (see, for example, Kurt Andersenâ??s new novel Turn of the Century, which is full of it), a double ironyâ??irony about being ironic. This undercuts (as it is intended to do) the moral seriousness and purpose of simple irony and so produces the Seinfeldian nihilism which is what Purdy really objects to. I suppose it is something to be hopeful about that the moral hackles of this â??Generation Xerâ?� (a title which, to give him his due, he deplores, though Douglas Couplandâ??s name does appear in the bibliography) have been raised, but it would make us feel a lot better if we thought he knew what they had been raised about

Unless your real name is James Bowman, this means nothing to me in the context of this debate. I want to know why YOU, Breukelen, feel the way you do. Don't be upset simply because you gave a pat answer, and I asked you to explore it further with me. I merely seek to understand.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

If you don't admit you have growing to do, you never reach for the light and stay stunted, while everyone around you takes what you sacrifice.

Simply brilliant.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Unless your real name is James Bowman, this means nothing to me in the context of this debate. I want to know why YOU, Breukelen, feel the way you do. Don't be upset simply because you gave a pat answer, and I asked you to explore it further with me. I merely seek to understand.

I already explained it - in the above posts. If you don't agree that Oprah's author-friends are a tad shy of brilliant, fine. If you also believe, as Oprah does, that Ruben "Hurricane" Carter was a fine upstanding citizen that was unjustly framed for all of his crimes, that's your right as well. If you think that Alice Walker* is worthy of our admiration, read about a few of her shenanigans and her mindset here: http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2001

Like I said, I have no quarrel with Winfrey's do-gooder work for some of her causes but she, and her literary pals, are not the great intellectuals and artists that theyâ??re cracked up to be.

It's only my opinion.


*Alice Walker:
Pulitzer Prize-winning author
Longtime admirer of Fidel Castro and Mumia Abu Jamal
Thinks the key to defeating Osama bin Laden is "love"

[benagain]

I'd have more respect for her if she didn't act like she deserves so much attention. The school in africa thing was the straw that broke the camels back. The fact that she was a biatch when she wasn't invided to Tom cruises wedding turned me off to.
She's not a bad woman, but if she would flow some of that money domesticly and didn't make a big deal about it, then we'd be square.

Oh and that school she build is a POS. It's like an LA resort with spas and whotnot. I've heard experts say that she could have built a school to teach hundreds of more kids than the one she built.

All in all, not a saint, more of a martha stewart type. Just a bit nicer than martha.

[Dave Byrd]

I read a thing in the news paper the other day that Kitty Kelley, thatwicked biographer who's done books on Jackie Kennedy, Sinatra, Elizabeth Taylor, the British Royals, and Nancy Reagan, is working on a book about Oprah now. I'm surprised the publishing world would let that happen, as influential as Her Royal Wealthiness (my wife's term) is in the book industry. An unauthorized biography of Miss O ought to be a doozy.

[ReUp]

I don't watch Oprah's Show but I think she's a hotty :jointsmile:

[Oneironaut]

My mother is absolutely convinced that Oprah Winfrey is the Antichrist.

[Skink]

Well it used to be the most well known name across the globe was Mohamad Ali,,,I bet it's Oprah now,,,LOLz...

[mafyew]

I kind of get the sense that some people who might have, or think they might have, an above average intelligence tend to use it in all the wrong ways.

Why argue against Oprah? Why do you really hate her?

All the arguments I've read so far just seem to be unsatisfying.


I'd have to say I'm pretty neutral on the subject. Regardless if the school she built turned out to be garbage (I don't know if it did or not), she still put out an attempt. It still cost money. The effort itself seems to be enough to justify it.

The way this world is going, if a person changes the life of another, just one other, for the better, that alone is a positive achievement. Oprah, i dare to say, has changed the lives of millions.

[Chronic Chrissy]

I tend to notice that this discussion is taking place mainly amoung americans. It seems like she isn't the global icon that we are made to believe she is. As for her school I agree that schools in Africa are a better way o spend money because
a) everyone there dreams of an education they want to learn and value school higher than riches
b) In the US students are dropping out of school and treating it as if it has no value besides socialization. It is more a gathering place to compete. Who has more friends, money, freedom, who's the toughest, meanest, who has the most backup, who has the best grades and extra curricular activities to get into a better school. No one is there to learn anymore, no one chooses to learn anymore.
c) so what if she builds a nice school with a few extras that p[eople there don't need? Our school systems have lots of thing they don't need. Please tell me what a grade 1 student needs a brand new computer to research polarbears on when they can just pick up a book? Wih the price of all the computers we pump into our schools to solve the problem schools can employ more teachers and tutors, buy more text books, expand our schools and create real safe play/relaxing areas, or even hire security to keep our kids from attacking eachother and provide a safe place to learn.
d) we have private schools in poor areas or town where we think no one can afford them but you'll be amazed how many families will sacrifice every extra cent to send their kids and others recieve scholarships thus oppertunities they would other wise not have.
e) instead of having te rest of the world try to solve a problem, why not provide them with the education to better themselves and their culture from the inside using people that are themselves affected. "teach them to fish" in otherwards instead of asking the world to fish for them.

I could go on and on about the school system and attitudes towards hem in our culture, while we are a little different our schools systems run on the same concepts, and while our schools have improvements to make it's truely the people and attitudes that are fucked up.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I already explained it - in the above posts. If you don't agree that Oprah's author-friends are a tad shy of brilliant, fine. If you also believe, as Oprah does, that Ruben "Hurricane" Carter was a fine upstanding citizen that was unjustly framed for all of his crimes, that's your right as well. If you think that Alice Walker* is worthy of our admiration, read about a few of her shenanigans and her mindset here: http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2001

Like I said, I have no quarrel with Winfrey's do-gooder work for some of her causes but she, and her literary pals, are not the great intellectuals and artists that theyâ??re cracked up to be.

It's only my opinion.



*Alice Walker:
Pulitzer Prize-winning author
Longtime admirer of Fidel Castro and Mumia Abu Jamal
Thinks the key to defeating Osama bin Laden is "love"

Based on the links you've provided, it would appear that your opposition is largely political, having little to do with the author's body of work, and everything to do with what you perceive to be her moral (read: political) failings.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I don't watch Oprah's Show but I think she's a hotty :jointsmile:
LOL! So does my fiance, and he's always been the "blonde blue eyed" type.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I have to say, I'm very pleased with this thread. It's stimulating, civilized, and a far cry from the "dude, I smoked this bomb ass dro!" threads that seem to be the norm on some days. See, stoners do so have brains!

[Kid Dynamite]

Theres definately informed debate going on here.

[Matt the Funk]

Earlier I said I hated Oprah. But I didn't say why. I guess I don't really hate her. I disagree with a lot of things she says and my mind just doesn't percieve her as a smart or nice person. I haven't even seen her show(and remembered what happened) but I have heard things about it. I think everything she does is for the fame+fourtune, which is something I can't respect.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

See, stoners do so have brains!

yes, we keep them neatly packed away in the bottom drawer and bring them out for holidays, bar mitzvahs and emergency situations.

[Purple Banana]

I repsect how Oprah has risen from extreme poverty and made something financially of herself, but this brings the question:

Does charity have a false sense of altruism when you make a big deal about it, or does it not matter?

To a point, Oprah's accomplishments in promoting literature, particularly self-help and feminist literature, has shed a lot of light on issues. But being extravagant about certain things, mainly her Oscar specials and other nonsense like that, especially the spawning of Dr. Phil, has brought her down a bit in my eyes.

I'm neutral about her, mainly because she doesn't affect me. Her magazine and show has an audience of mostly corn-fed Midwestern 'empowered' family moms who search for a leader to justify treating themselves with a new hairdo, or reading the newest self-help book she promotes.

[Psycho4Bud]

She's come a long way from where she was....a true role model. But a God? LOL........

I do have to give her much respect for keeping it real.....unlike most those in the Hollywood lights. I can't see her shaving her head anytime to soon.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[dutch.lover]

I think Oprah does a lot of amazing things and I really like her, but there are certain things I don't really agree with.

I don't like Dr.Phil. I think he is a sell-out.

I don't like how Oprah often cites pseudo-science, like having psychics on her show (science has disproven psychics...no one has been able to prove their psychic abilities thus far)

I also don't like how religious she is, strictly in the sense that she attributes certain things to God and appeals to 'him' a little too much for my liking- but seeing as how she has a mainly American audience (america has a huge religious population) it does make sense.

[rebgirl420]

Im not on the Oprah bandwagon myself, and Im sure as hell not into The View and Rosie O' Donnel in any way....that goes for the Today show too. I can't stand that kind of crap. But if your into it then good for you. To each their own I suppose.

[CaliJay]

[quote=birdgirl73]
As far as radio and TV are concerned, I do watch an occasional Oprah nightime re-rerun when it's about societal matters. But I do think she's sold out in a big way recently, and I think Phil McGraw's show is becoming increasingly "Springerized,"

You should look into edgar cayce for some true insight into our psyche...


I love you -Cali

[CaliJay]

oops....hehe

[dutch.lover]

Dr. Phil McGraw also happens to be extremely anti-pornography...he says it ruins adult relationships. Any respect I had for him, is now completely gone. A lack of communication ruins adult relationships, not pornography.

[birdgirl73]

You should look into edgar cayce for some true insight into our psyche...

Wasn't Edgar Cayce that prophet guy who claimed great clairvoyant abilities? I'll pass on the supernatural, thanks. Too skeptical of all that to put my faith there. But I did read one of Edgar Cayce's books during high school before I was sophisticated enough to recogize lunacy.

[birdgirl73]

Dr. Phil McGraw also happens to be extremely anti-pornography...he says it ruins adult relationships. Any respect I had for him, is now completely gone. A lack of communication ruins adult relationships, not pornography.
Phil's pretty conservative, isn't he? I didn't know that about his stance on pornography. I don't have a problem with it personally, but I'm guessing a longtime psychologist might have seen plenty of cases where, when combined with lack of communication, it could indeed create some problems in adult relationships. I mostly mean that from the standpoint of setting up the expectation that women and men should always look and behave like porn stars. They're so fake and perfect, and we all know few real people's bodies look like porn stars'. I think, too, the female and male sexual responses are so contrived in porn that they can have a tendency to set up false expectations. I would think a psychologist might be more likely to support erotica or maybe portrayals of real couples--something more real and emotionally relatable. I do believe, however, that people should do what turns them on. I've heard Sue Johansson on this subject, and I find her marvelously open-minded. She agrees that the false-expectation factor of porn is a potentially troubling aspect of it.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

I like Oprah. I don't worship Oprah. But I like Oprah. In the same way one might like one's senator.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

Oh... but I *do* worship Dr. Phil. Sort of. I think he's awesome.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

Wasn't Edgar Cayce that prophet guy who claimed great clairvoyant abilities? I'll pass on the supernatural, thanks. Too skeptical of all that to put my faith there. But I did read one of Edgar Cayce's books during high school before I was sophisticated enough to recogize lunacy.

I agree! Edgar Cayce is a great read.

[piZANK]

i believe some women have a stigma towards oprah because of the belief drilled constantly in the minds of young women today that women cannot have strong opinions, or affluence, or be anything more than a pretty thing to look at.

they find offense in the fact that she doesn't stand by and let the world run over marginal people.

by calling her a bitch you only proove your fear of a strong intelligent female

[Matt the Funk]

Ok...so lately I have been watching oprah to form more of an opinion on this lady I dislike so much....and I have come to the conclusion....that she is just another type of puppet of the world...She raises issues that she see's fit and won;t except others views whatsoever....and her show has WAY too many commercial breaks. If I could actually meet her and talk to her maybe I would see other wise....but as far as I am concerned she is a mass-appeal puppet who talks about important issues at a shallow level.

[poohrx7]

FUCK THAT BITCH

[HannahAbbot]

I do respect and admire here but people do tend to take it overboard. She's human and she makes mistakes too. I don't always agree with things she does, (like using her celebrity for politics), but she's a very kind and generous person and truly seems to have so much love in her heart.