Jesus Camp.

[Purple Banana]

This movie is a must-see.

These pasotrs and preachers are using kids as vessels for THEIR own agendas and beliefs.

The more I watch it, the more I see the same behavior with the young Islamic extremists...

How long before these kids start blowing themselves up for Jesus?

Believe whatever you want to, but this is pure brainwashing.

[RyanTheCaveman]

I agree. i seen a video on it on youtube. its like..hitler youth.
in a way.
but it is brainwashing.

[smoke it]

that stuff is fucked. the kids have no orignal opinions. just what theyre taught

[delusionsofNORMALity]

are you ready for armageddon?

these christian fundamentalists are so enamored with the concept of the rapture that it seems they are willing to bring about the end of the world all by themselves. they seem to be building this "army of god" to counter their islamic brethren and hasten an apocalyptic show down. these people see the enemy everywhere and are building an army of children to do battle with the unbelievers. doesn't this shit belong somewhere in the middle-ages?

the first salvos of this modern "holy war" have already been fired. judeo-christian incursions into traditionally islamic lands, heathen madmen wreaking destruction on the innocents in their infidel strongholds, massive retaliation at the cost of far too many lives. even one life is far too many to sacrifice at the altar of religious fanaticism.

look in the faces of the children at this "jesus camp". is the fire of intolerance burning in their eyes? if it isn't there now it soon will be, thanks to their bloodthirsty faith.



personally, i always preferred the concept of ragnarok. but then, i'm a sucker for anything with giants in it. so, i guess i'll be waiting for hel, a big wolf and an even bigger serpent to appear before i believe that "the end is nigh".

[RyanTheCaveman]

Heres the video for it. YouTube - Jesus Camp Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE)

They say people who are nto with jesus are enemies..
"enemies"
...
"i got saved at 5 because i wanted more outta life" - that is...wow. i can't remember anything at 5 and its not because of marijuana.

Heil Hit- i mean JESUS!

This is evil.
"It is [Christianity] taking over america, the people, and the now the white house. [Listen to this]This is just the tip of the iceberg."

That doesn't sound too good.
" This means WAR! THIS MEANS WAR!" - the fat lady. Thats not good either.

[Purple Banana]

If you watch the movie, the only one actually making sense is the man hosting the Christian radio program... Very smart man.

But this is complete bullshit... Then again, they do have freedom of speech, just as long as that speech doesn't turn into actions that hinder MY own freedom.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

..... just as long as that speech doesn't turn into actions that hinder MY own freedom.

one nation under a christian god, this is their stated goal. if you're not for christ, you're against him. if you're against christ, you have no place in a christian country.

[Oneironaut]

Hey, wait a second. I'm not a Christian and according to them that makes me their enemy, so let's consult Jesus and see what he wants done to me...


Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Oh snap!

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Hey, wait a second. I'm not a Christian and according to them that makes me their enemy, so let's consult Jesus and see what he wants done to me...

it's called selective fundamentalism. believing the bible word for word, but only comprehending the parts that suit your agenda. it's a common ailment amongst those with recto-cranial insertion disorder.

[gabee42ee]

that stuff is fucked. the kids have no orignal opinions. just what theyre taught

its a shame that there really is no way to change it ... im 17 and only recently did i finally stop beliving everything about religion and god that my parents had taught me to belive in since a young age
wen i have kids i want to teach them about everything and when they are old enough they can decide what they belive

[gabee42ee]

i found that video clip sort of disturbing ... ever seen this episod of "wife swap"? it had this pyscho mom who refered to herself as the "christian warrior" it was fucking hillarious but i felt real bad for her kids ... this sort of reminds me of that bitch

[delusionsofNORMALity]

its a shame that there really is no way to change it ....

the only way to change it is to be as vocal as they are. to admit atheism in polite society is considered incredibly gauche, but to spout archaic christian dogma seems to be totally acceptable. now that religion is so firmly entrenched in the political arena, maybe we should attack it with the same zeal that they have always attacked the unbelievers.

[Purple Banana]

When others ask me my religion in a public OR private place, I proudly proclaim I am an Atheist. They look at me, then try to "save me" but I interrupt them before they can say "Jesus Loves You," and tell them it's my business, not yours, what I believe in.

Most people are surprised that I am...

[jsn9333]

I'm a Christian, and I agree that those kids are much to young for that kind of thing... in fact, I'm not sure any Christian needs to try to get that worked up. I personally have found the living the Chrisitan life with the Holy Spirit guiding me is exciting enough without having to do group cheerleading chants about it.

That being said, these people are not in the slightest bit dangerous (violently speaking). They may chant about war, but they are talking about it in a purely spiritual sense. There have been Christian groups that raise their children to be this excited and this involved since this country was founded. It's only now that you get to see it on you tube! So don't worry, if this sort of thing was going to create "Jesus suicide bombers", it would've happened a long time ago.


This movie is a must-see.

These pasotrs and preachers are using kids as vessels for THEIR own agendas and beliefs.

The more I watch it, the more I see the same behavior with the young Islamic extremists...

How long before these kids start blowing themselves up for Jesus?

Believe whatever you want to, but this is pure brainwashing.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

....That being said, these people are not in the slightest bit dangerous (violently speaking). They may chant about war, but they are talking about it in a purely spiritual sense....

you might just keep in mind that the KKK considers itself to be a christian organization and the occasional violence surrounding abortion clinics is linked directly to the christian agenda. let us not forget our present middle eastern folly, influenced to no small degree by w's abiding faith in this peaceful religion. perhaps we should go further back, back to the days of inquisitions and crusades into the holy land. we could even make the link to judeo-christian history and add a raft of incident involving zionist aggression and the terrorist activities committed by the israelis. it's quite a list of atrocities those wacky christians have managed to stack up, all in the name of such a peaceful deity.

i know most christians would never think of committing acts of violence all on their own, but mob mentality creates a morality of its own. a spiritual war can easily become a prelude to the real thing.

[jsn9333]

you might just keep in mind that the KKK considers itself to be a christian organization and the occasional violence surrounding abortion clinics is linked directly to the christian agenda. let us not forget our present middle eastern folly, influenced to no small degree by w's abiding faith in this peaceful religion. perhaps we should go further back, back to the days of inquisitions and crusades into the holy land. we could even make the link to judeo-christian history and add a raft of incident involving zionist aggression and the terrorist activities committed by the israelis. it's quite a list of atrocities those wacky christians have managed to stack up, all in the name of such a peaceful deity.

i know most christians would never think of committing acts of violence all on their own, but mob mentality creates a morality of its own. a spiritual war can easily become a prelude to the real thing.

Sure, those who call themselves "Christians" have killed people before... such as the KKK. While were on the topic, lets not forget that the Atheist regimes of Hitler and Stalin murdered tens of millions of people in their own right. Am I as scared that atheists are going to start committing random acts of violence? No, I'm not. Violent people (whether they're Atheist or Christian or any other religion) commit acts of violence. Period.

But if you are still going to argue that deeply held faith or the lack thereof causes violence (an argument I disagree with, as I just said) I think history would show atheism has resulted in many times more deaths then Christianity.

[mrdevious]

Sure, those who call themselves "Christians" have killed people before... such as the KKK. While were on the topic, lets not forget that the Atheist regimes of Hitler and Stalin murdered tens of millions of people in their own right. Am I as scared that atheists are going to start committing random acts of violence? No, I'm not. Violent people (whether they're Atheist or Christian or any other religion) commit acts of violence. Period.

But if you are still going to argue that deeply held faith or the lack thereof causes violence (an argument I disagree with, as I just said) I think history would show atheism has resulted in many times more deaths then Christianity.

I think what he's getting at though is that there are numerous christian atrocities carried out in the name of god, whereas atrocities from atheists were driven by their own political/moral/psychotic ideology that was held aside from atheism, not driven in the name of it.

I don't know where you get this about the "nazi atheist regimes", naziism was not an ideology based around atheism as it's driving force. In fact, here's a little snippet from Wikipedia about Hitler's religious beliefs:

In later life, Hitler's religious beliefs present a discrepant picture: In public statements, he frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and belief in Christ. Hitlerâ??s private statements, reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but also critical of Christianity. However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and ridiculed such beliefs in his book Mein Kampf. Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

How you think a 3,000 year old history of christian atrocities is outnumbered by crimes in the name of atheism is beyond me. History has shown an inredible amount of violence in the name of religion, including christianity; the crusades, salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, alsmost 2,000 years of pagan oppression and persecution... The only major atrocities carried out in the name of atheism I can think of occured in the 20th century by communist regimes. And since atheism was only a piece of communism, it seems communism gets the credit as the primary driving ideology.

[harris7]

the only way to change it is to be as vocal as they are. to admit atheism in polite society is considered incredibly gauche, but to spout archaic christian dogma seems to be totally acceptable. now that religion is so firmly entrenched in the political arena, maybe we should attack it with the same zeal that they have always attacked the unbelievers.

This is exactly the problem. Religious believe has some special status and no one can criticize it. I believe it is important that atheists dont give religion this undeserved status.

On the bright side, religion is dying in first world countries. YEs most people are not atheists and I believe the majority in canada call them selves christians. But very very few really believe or act christian. Because of this there children will not be "brainwashed" and will be less religious and so on.
Ideally I guess this started happening when critical thinking became prevalent (he he)

[hazetwostep]

i've seen camps like this and actually have been to them!! it is getting blown way out of proportion. the video is a compilation of things and some of those things (if not from within its sub-culture) can easily be misunderstood. i am not saying it isn't overdone or eccentric, but they have the right to be as eccentric as they want. why ridicule them for their beliefs when you are so annoyed at them judging your beliefs??? doesn't make much sense...

as far as brainwashing... these kids will end up like me and most of you, rejecting the things their parents taught them when they get old enough to understand on their own. no worries... they will be just fine

watching a couple minute video on something does not quite give you the info needed to slander those people with comparisons to hitler and terrorists, but do what you will cause i am sure you wont stop because i said. i will not become like the fundamentalists and judge them in return for their judgement. if you judge them for judging you, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THEM.

[Nochowderforyou]

Religion is brainwashing. Religion has destroyed the relationship between me and my brother. Before he met his wife, we could joke around, we smoked weed together, we hung out, but more and more he fell deeper into the brainwashing camp of religion. Now when I play my music around him, it's evil, when I play my guitar low end with distortion, that's evil, TV is evil, smoking pot is evil, being gay is evil, etc...

I can't even have a discussion with him without God coming into play. I hate it, hate all of it. He seriously thinks that if a gay couple raised a child, it would grow up to be crazy or a serial killer, those were his exact words. He's brainwashed.

My mother grew up in a Catholic household. She was adopted along with her brother, yet her father got drunk and beat the shit out of them. He would lock them in a closet, beat them with his belts, while their mother stood back and watched. He cheated on his wife (my grandma) with prositutes, and even gave his adopted son an STD, that he got from dirty hookers.

Religion can kiss my ass. I wish I could have nailed jesus up on the cross myself, because he would have got it through the eyes.

God can kiss my ass, jesus can suck me off.

[hazetwostep]

SOME religion is brainwashing...
SOME religion helps change people's lives for the better...
SOME religion connects people with a higher power...
SOME religion distances people from a higher power and others...

[Gatekeeper777]

I went to Jesus camp.
The boy named jesus never was able to swim (he just walked on the surface)
we always had juice out of the well.
he always spoke in riddles and parables.
he did away with archery practice saying "those who live by the bow shall die by the bow."

[delusionsofNORMALity]

SOME religion is brainwashing...
SOME religion helps change people's lives for the better...
SOME religion connects people with a higher power...
SOME religion distances people from a higher power and others...

all religion is brainwashing, it's the nature of the beast. to enforce conformity of thought and purpose is the goal of all such elitist institutions. whether this is good or bad is ultimately up to those at the high end of the food chain. it is usually used to consolidate power and we all know how most people use their power.

some religion helps change some people's lives for the better. there are people who need to be told the difference between right and wrong, they need an ultimate master to show them how to lead a useful life. for these people religion is a necessary guide to lead them through the pitfalls of everyday life that most of us sidestep with ease. unluckily many use religion as a way to form power blocs in a struggle to force their narrow views on the rest of us.

some religion connects people with the illusion of a higher power. it gives them something to blame their problems on and a tidy explanation for everything they find confusing or inexplicable. dependence on religious dogma inhibits the questioning of authority and the search for the logic behind the mysteries of life.

all religion distances people from a higher power within themselves and others. by relegating supreme power to an imaginary deity we stifle the search for the power within ourselves. even though we might have what it takes to change our circumstances for the betterment of mankind, most religions teach that the omnipotence of a god overshadows our puny attempts at redefining our lot in life.


the very act of worshiping that which we cannot understand should be foreign to us. first should come understanding; then, if circumstances warrant it, worship would be a meaningful alternative instead of a primitive reaction to the unknown.

[mafyew]

I am constantly at battle between religion and atheism within myself. I have gotten the idea of hell slammed down my throat so many times that i actually have fear of it. I got really stoned the other day, considering weed effects me like salvia effects others, i actually thought i had died and went to hell. It brought this whole religious thing back in question to me.

On the other hand, i cant NOT bow down to a god that is so completely discriminating. I often ask myself what i would do at the foot of god, to bow down? or burn in hell?

All logic tells me is there is nothing after death.

One more thing that really bothers me about Christianity is no one actually lives by the book. NO ONE. If they did we would still be stoning gay people, and women would forever be locked in the kitchen.

It is such a touchy subject that frightens me about the future of America, what ever happened to separation of church and state? It never existed. Surely the end will come in religious wartime.

Life is all about personal growth to me anyways.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I am constantly at battle between religion and atheism within myself....

most people don't come to their final conclusions concerning religion and the nature of god until their final breath. even die-hard atheists such as myself have the occasional midnight fear that they may have damned themselves to an eternity of fire and brimstone. i just smoke another joint, take a deep breath and resume my quest for reality when the sun comes up.

[harris7]

i've seen camps like this and actually have been to them!! it is getting blown way out of proportion. the video is a compilation of things and some of those things (if not from within its sub-culture) can easily be misunderstood. i am not saying it isn't overdone or eccentric, but they have the right to be as eccentric as they want. why ridicule them for their beliefs when you are so annoyed at them judging your beliefs??? doesn't make much sense...

as far as brainwashing... these kids will end up like me and most of you, rejecting the things their parents taught them when they get old enough to understand on their own. no worries... they will be just fine

watching a couple minute video on something does not quite give you the info needed to slander those people with comparisons to hitler and terrorists, but do what you will cause i am sure you wont stop because i said. i will not become like the fundamentalists and judge them in return for their judgement. if you judge them for judging you, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THEM.

We Are NOT annoyed by them judging our beliefs. I generally donâ??t care what insane people think of me.
I am, and I believe most people are, concerned with what they are doing to their children.

Furthermore if you belief that these camps do not effect the psyche of the children you are wrong. This is back by research and they know this and it is the reason they are doing it. They want their children to share their beliefs, no matter how harmful or delusional they are.

[jsn9333]

We Are NOT annoyed by them judging our beliefs. I generally donâ??t care what insane people think of me.
I am, and I believe most people are, concerned with what they are doing to their children.

Furthermore if you belief that these camps do not effect the psyche of the children you are wrong. This is back by research and they know this and it is the reason they are doing it. They want their children to share their beliefs, no matter how harmful or delusional they are.

Harmful? Delusional? So what are you saying... the U.S. should pass laws commanding that only certain "non-harmful" religious beliefs and practices be passed on to children under a certain age? Whether or not I agree with their techniques, these people have the right to teach their children whatever they wish... and you have the right to teach yours whatever you wish. Eventually the kids will grow up and think for themselves. If you want the government to determine which religious beliefs are "harmful" and which are not then move to China, Cuba, or North Korea... and raise some cookie-cutter children.

[mafyew]

my conflict: its depressing to think that if there is no god life will be over forever, and if Christianity is true, i don't think i could bow down to god. religion causes so much fucking hate, its like how can i be saved if i hate the one thats saving. how can i strive to succeed if all there is is death?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

.... how can i strive to succeed if all there is is death?

you're born, you live and you die. if your lucky your legacy survives through your children and your deeds.

[hazetwostep]

most people don't come to their final conclusions concerning religion and the nature of god until their final breath. even die-hard atheists such as myself have the occasional midnight fear that they may have damned themselves to an eternity of fire and brimstone. i just smoke another joint, take a deep breath and resume my quest for reality when the sun comes up.

wow... i am the opposite way with things, but i struggle with it too... especially lately... glad to know someone else realizes we can't know 100%

[sam44]

that vid is fucked up shit

[harris7]

Harmful? Delusional? So what are you saying... the U.S. should pass laws commanding that only certain "non-harmful" religious beliefs and practices be passed on to children under a certain age? Whether or not I agree with their techniques, these people have the right to teach their children whatever they wish... and you have the right to teach yours whatever you wish. Eventually the kids will grow up and think for themselves. If you want the government to determine which religious beliefs are "harmful" and which are not then move to China, Cuba, or North Korea... and raise some cookie-cutter children.

No, I donâ??t believe a state or anyone has the right to limit the beliefs of others. I once hoped that humans could have the intelligence to censor out absurd beliefs for them selves. Now I realize humans are idiots.



my conflict: its depressing to think that if there is no god life will be over forever, and if Christianity is true, i don't think i could bow down to god. religion causes so much fucking hate, its like how can i be saved if i hate the one thats saving. how can i strive to succeed if all there is is death?

Well thatâ??s religions big appeal isnâ??t it.
Donâ??t let them bribe you from thinking straight.
Consider the justification for having that belief.
Is there reasonable evidence to believe?

(reasonable, not proof)

[harris7]

wow... i am the opposite way with things, but i struggle with it too... especially lately... glad to know someone else realizes we can't know 100%

Haze,
I also agree that no one can know. Most educated people accept this.

No one ever â??knowsâ?� god exists. They â??believeâ?� god exists.
It is only beliefs we have and that we argue about.

Whether or not god does exist (we donâ??t know)
I believe it is unreasonable to believe god exists as there is No reason to.