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Man was arming for 'war,' FBI says
By Robert Patrick
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH©2007, ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
02/02/2007
Thaer Abde Sumad, who is named in a FBI affidavit, talks to a reporter Thursday. The FBI says Thaer Abde Sumad met with Mousa Abuelawi and a government informer to negotiate the purchase of fully automatic weapons and explosives.
(Huy Richard Mach/P-D)
A St. Charles man obtained fully automatic weapons and tried to buy as many explosives as possible in preparation for what an associate called "war," the FBI says in court documents.
He bought three rifles and a Claymore anti-personnel mine and negotiated for a case of hand grenades, documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch show.
Mousa M. Abuelawi, 22, of Franjoe Court, was arrested Dec. 29 and charged on complaints accusing him of three counts of illegal possession or distribution of a machine gun and conspiracy to violate machine gun statutes.
Abuelawi, a Palestinian immigrant free on $50,000 bond, could not be reached. His brother declined to comment on his behalf. His lawyers, Scott Rosenblum and Gil Sison, did not return calls.
The context of the word "war" was not explained in court filings; the FBI declined to comment.
The man to whom the word was attributed, Thaer Abde Sumad, said in an interview Thursday that the purchases were not intended for terrorism but to make money supplying street gangs in a St. Louis turf war.
Sumad, 23, is not charged, although he is identified in an FBI affidavit as being present for one of the transactions.
He told a reporter he had no role in handling the firearms or explosives. He said he was at a meeting between Abuelawi and a federal informer outside a St. Louis gas station where Sumad works only because he knows both and wanted to say hello.
Sumad suggested that he and Abuelawi attracted special attention because of the sound of their names and their Arab ethnicity.
Abuelawi's lawyers have said he is a Palestinian immigrant.
Sumad is of Palestinian descent but was born in Indiana and raised in St. Louis, he said.
The FBI thinks it's a "terrorist thing," Sumad said, "especially after 9/11. They're trying to make it bigger than what it is."
Sumad said Abuelawi was "trying to make a few extra bucks."
An affidavit filed with the court by FBI Special Agent Stephen M. Smith, based in part on video and audio recordings, described these circumstances:
The informer used a cell phone to call Abuelawi on Nov. 8 and said he had a fully automatic rifle and a bomb or grenade for sale. Abuelawi and Sumad met with the informer at the gas station where they worked, in the 5700 block of West Florissant Road.
Abuelawi said he hoped the informer had brought the weapons and could sell them right away. He also said he would buy "whatever" the informer had to sell.
Sumad "stated he wants to buy as many explosives as possible because, 'we're going to war,'" the affidavit says. However, Sumad said in Thursday's interview that he does not remember making reference to "war," but added that if he did say it, he intended it as a flippant reference to a gang war.
The affidavit goes on to say:
On Nov. 21, the informer delivered a fully automatic M-16 rifle and a Claymore mine, or so Abuelawi was told. They had been rigged not to work.
That night, Abuelawi took the M-16 inside another gas station where he also worked, in the 6000 block of West Florissant Road, then put it back in his car.
The next day Abuelawi met a man who "appears to be Middle Eastern" at the station in the 5700 block and showed him the M-16 and the Claymore.
On Nov. 23, three St. Louis police officers entered the station and said they had a report of someone seen there with a gun. Sumad denied knowing anything about a firearm. Officers found the M-16, seized it and left.
On Nov. 29, the informer offered Abuelawi a chance to buy 30 hand grenades for $15,000, or $500 per grenade. Abuelawi haggled the price down to $400 per grenade and asked the informer to get him more M-16s and some AK-47 assault rifles.
Abuelawi wanted four grenades immediately but the informer had only pictures.
Abuelawi told the informer, "this is not my first time dealing with this (expletive)," according to the affidavit.
The informer and Abuelawi met again Dec. 5. Abuelawi was nervous and said "he and his people" didn't want the hand grenades at the time because he thought the police were in the cemetery across the street.
In fact, they were.
The affidavit quotes Abuelawi as saying "if me and my people get caught with that (expletive) it is all over." It says, "He expressed that, if caught, he and others could be deported."
But Abuelawi still said he wanted any guns the informer could get, "big or small."
On Dec. 27, the informer sold Abuelawi an M-16 and a Heckler & Koch MP-5 fully automatic submachine gun, for $600.
Abuelawi and an unidentified man took the guns to a house in the 9700 block of Medford Drive in St. Louis County and asked the occupants to store them.
Investigators searched the house the next day and seized both guns.
No one answered when a reporter and photographer went to the house Thursday.
In contrast to the affidavit, Sumad said that when police asked him whether there was a gun at the gas station, he had said, "I don't think so."
Sumad said he had been off when Abuelawi dropped the gun off at the station. Another employee told Sumad about the gun, brought it out from a storage room, pulled it out of its case and waved it around, Sumad said.
Sumad said that after the police seized the gun, FBI agents came to interview him.
During 3½ hours in the store's back room, they asked him for personal information and asked what he knew about the M-16, he said. Sumad said he lied and told agents he didn't know anything about the gun. He said he didn't want them to associate him with Abuelawi or the weapon.
Sumad said the FBI asked him about overseas money transfers, whether he was a member of the factions Hamas or Fatah, and what he thought of President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq. Sumad said he dismissed the factions with an expletive, and said that because Bush got what he wanted by ridding Iraq of dictator Saddam Hussein, the troops should leave.
Abuelawi is single and has no children and no assets, court documents state. He was fired by the gas station, co-workers said.
Jeff Fulton, assistant special agent in charge of the St. Louis office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said devices such as grenades and mines are "not a common product" for gangs. "But it's not unheard of," he said.
Abuelawi was arrested Dec. 29. He has appeared in federal court in St. Louis multiple times, including a status conference on Monday. At that hearing, U.S. Magistrate Judge Audrey Fleissig told Assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Drake that prosecutors had 30 days to obtain a grand jury indictment against Abuelawi or she would dismiss the charges.
Drake did not return a message seeking comment. Roland Corvington, special agent in charge of FBI's St. Louis office, said he could not comment because it is an ongoing investigation.
They are geting ready for a war here in the USA....
what side will you be ON?
Man was arming for 'war,' FBI says
By Robert Patrick
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH©2007, ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
02/02/2007
Thaer Abde Sumad, who is named in a FBI affidavit, talks to a reporter Thursday. The FBI says Thaer Abde Sumad met with Mousa Abuelawi and a government informer to negotiate the purchase of fully automatic weapons and explosives.
(Huy Richard Mach/P-D)
A St. Charles man obtained fully automatic weapons and tried to buy as many explosives as possible in preparation for what an associate called "war," the FBI says in court documents.
He bought three rifles and a Claymore anti-personnel mine and negotiated for a case of hand grenades, documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch show.
Mousa M. Abuelawi, 22, of Franjoe Court, was arrested Dec. 29 and charged on complaints accusing him of three counts of illegal possession or distribution of a machine gun and conspiracy to violate machine gun statutes.
Abuelawi, a Palestinian immigrant free on $50,000 bond, could not be reached. His brother declined to comment on his behalf. His lawyers, Scott Rosenblum and Gil Sison, did not return calls.
The context of the word "war" was not explained in court filings; the FBI declined to comment.
The man to whom the word was attributed, Thaer Abde Sumad, said in an interview Thursday that the purchases were not intended for terrorism but to make money supplying street gangs in a St. Louis turf war.
Sumad, 23, is not charged, although he is identified in an FBI affidavit as being present for one of the transactions.
He told a reporter he had no role in handling the firearms or explosives. He said he was at a meeting between Abuelawi and a federal informer outside a St. Louis gas station where Sumad works only because he knows both and wanted to say hello.
Sumad suggested that he and Abuelawi attracted special attention because of the sound of their names and their Arab ethnicity.
Abuelawi's lawyers have said he is a Palestinian immigrant.
Sumad is of Palestinian descent but was born in Indiana and raised in St. Louis, he said.
The FBI thinks it's a "terrorist thing," Sumad said, "especially after 9/11. They're trying to make it bigger than what it is."
Sumad said Abuelawi was "trying to make a few extra bucks."
An affidavit filed with the court by FBI Special Agent Stephen M. Smith, based in part on video and audio recordings, described these circumstances:
The informer used a cell phone to call Abuelawi on Nov. 8 and said he had a fully automatic rifle and a bomb or grenade for sale. Abuelawi and Sumad met with the informer at the gas station where they worked, in the 5700 block of West Florissant Road.
Abuelawi said he hoped the informer had brought the weapons and could sell them right away. He also said he would buy "whatever" the informer had to sell.
Sumad "stated he wants to buy as many explosives as possible because, 'we're going to war,'" the affidavit says. However, Sumad said in Thursday's interview that he does not remember making reference to "war," but added that if he did say it, he intended it as a flippant reference to a gang war.
The affidavit goes on to say:
On Nov. 21, the informer delivered a fully automatic M-16 rifle and a Claymore mine, or so Abuelawi was told. They had been rigged not to work.
That night, Abuelawi took the M-16 inside another gas station where he also worked, in the 6000 block of West Florissant Road, then put it back in his car.
The next day Abuelawi met a man who "appears to be Middle Eastern" at the station in the 5700 block and showed him the M-16 and the Claymore.
On Nov. 23, three St. Louis police officers entered the station and said they had a report of someone seen there with a gun. Sumad denied knowing anything about a firearm. Officers found the M-16, seized it and left.
On Nov. 29, the informer offered Abuelawi a chance to buy 30 hand grenades for $15,000, or $500 per grenade. Abuelawi haggled the price down to $400 per grenade and asked the informer to get him more M-16s and some AK-47 assault rifles.
Abuelawi wanted four grenades immediately but the informer had only pictures.
Abuelawi told the informer, "this is not my first time dealing with this (expletive)," according to the affidavit.
The informer and Abuelawi met again Dec. 5. Abuelawi was nervous and said "he and his people" didn't want the hand grenades at the time because he thought the police were in the cemetery across the street.
In fact, they were.
The affidavit quotes Abuelawi as saying "if me and my people get caught with that (expletive) it is all over." It says, "He expressed that, if caught, he and others could be deported."
But Abuelawi still said he wanted any guns the informer could get, "big or small."
On Dec. 27, the informer sold Abuelawi an M-16 and a Heckler & Koch MP-5 fully automatic submachine gun, for $600.
Abuelawi and an unidentified man took the guns to a house in the 9700 block of Medford Drive in St. Louis County and asked the occupants to store them.
Investigators searched the house the next day and seized both guns.
No one answered when a reporter and photographer went to the house Thursday.
In contrast to the affidavit, Sumad said that when police asked him whether there was a gun at the gas station, he had said, "I don't think so."
Sumad said he had been off when Abuelawi dropped the gun off at the station. Another employee told Sumad about the gun, brought it out from a storage room, pulled it out of its case and waved it around, Sumad said.
Sumad said that after the police seized the gun, FBI agents came to interview him.
During 3½ hours in the store's back room, they asked him for personal information and asked what he knew about the M-16, he said. Sumad said he lied and told agents he didn't know anything about the gun. He said he didn't want them to associate him with Abuelawi or the weapon.
Sumad said the FBI asked him about overseas money transfers, whether he was a member of the factions Hamas or Fatah, and what he thought of President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq. Sumad said he dismissed the factions with an expletive, and said that because Bush got what he wanted by ridding Iraq of dictator Saddam Hussein, the troops should leave.
Abuelawi is single and has no children and no assets, court documents state. He was fired by the gas station, co-workers said.
Jeff Fulton, assistant special agent in charge of the St. Louis office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said devices such as grenades and mines are "not a common product" for gangs. "But it's not unheard of," he said.
Abuelawi was arrested Dec. 29. He has appeared in federal court in St. Louis multiple times, including a status conference on Monday. At that hearing, U.S. Magistrate Judge Audrey Fleissig told Assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Drake that prosecutors had 30 days to obtain a grand jury indictment against Abuelawi or she would dismiss the charges.
Drake did not return a message seeking comment. Roland Corvington, special agent in charge of FBI's St. Louis office, said he could not comment because it is an ongoing investigation.
They are geting ready for a war here in the USA....
what side will you be ON?