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slipknotpsycho
02-02-2007, 03:56 AM
a new segment on our local news... it's mainly about rehabilitating soldiers that have lost limbs, faced disfigurement and such....

you know, i had to turn that fucking shit off.... it just pisses me off to see that so damned bad.... if it weren't for this goddamned stupid POINTLESS ass war, there wouldn't be a need for such a facility, atleast not at this point.... like i said it's for rehabilitation... which takes 2 years tops with even the worst off of people... so peopel from past wars, don't need it (or atleast by their standards) so, therefore we wouldn't even need the damned thing...

this 'war' was pointless from the very begining.... and even a few years ago it was basicly over.... coulda had everyone home and they wouldn't have missed the last few christmas's, birthdays, new years, ect....

this shit just gets me irate.... i have little sympathy for the soldiers too, and the only bit i do have for them, is becasue they're (atelast the majority) told there is some danger over there, and there's a need to put them over there... past that, they're the ones that put themselves in the situation, there is no draft, so they signed themselves up for it.... and i'm all the time seeing these soldiers trying to gain sympathy (not the ones just telling their stories, i mean the ones who are desperately seeking the sympathy) soldiers are hero's, don't get me wrong, when it comes down to it, they're the ones who fight to keep us 'free' (even tho we aren't even free, i guess they just keep us from being oppressed by ANOTHER oppressor) .... but damnit, if you sign yourself up for this shit, don't get on tv, asking for everyone's sympathy and being an attention whore...

i know there's bound to be those who take this post wrong.... so let me state what i have already, just summed up, i am extremely grateful for the soldiers, that are there in time of need, to fight for us, i'm grateful for the sacrifices they make...

i'm angry becasue there's no reason for more people to be over there dying, and being hurt, b ecause the shit is over! it's been over for years now! you can't stop every goddamned suicide bomber, and that's all they're using to justify anything anymore.... suicide bombers... you could have every last amercian over there, with itchy trigger fingers and there would still be suicide bombers.... there's just no point anymore.... all that's happening is we're losing more and more of our people, and more and more and being hurt and changed for life... it just gets me fucking irate....

and i would like one person, that thinks they can, to stand up and say why we still need our soldiers over there... we aren't on the defense anymore, we haven't been on the defense since we went over there, we've been on the offense... there's even been statments coming down from lead terrorists telling us if we just left now, and left them alone, they would leave us alone... dont' you count that as defeat? we can't put all of them in custody, and we will never be able to PERIOD... so why are we even still there?!

higher4hockey
02-02-2007, 04:02 AM
you and i have very different opinions on things slip. very different.

slipknotpsycho
02-02-2007, 04:04 AM
maybe we do, but opinions are valuable, so please state yours... i dont' want to be flamed for mine, so i won't flame anyone for theirs.

and if the thread goes out of hand and flaming does start, i'll just ask to have it closed/deleted...

i want to know what other people feel.... i sometimes have problems getting the main point across, by over elaborating.... but i still feel i got that point across, atleast in this post.

higher4hockey
02-02-2007, 04:11 AM
as long as we can be civil....im not getting into a fight over this.


in my opinion we are doing good in iraq, if we leave now before the fight is won the iraqi people will destroy each other. also imo it makes our country look weak. ...it will send a message to every group around the world that says: all you have to do beat the americans is fight unconventionally. the same thing happened in vietnam and its happening again now.


i also cannot comprehend not supporting the soldiers. they may not exactly be fighting for our freedom at the moment. but if the US was invaded i think a lot of people would sing a different tune about the military.

slipknotpsycho
02-02-2007, 04:35 AM
probably so, and i realize what alot of people 'see' but i dont' see the same, which is where my opinion is rooted...

the jist of my post is, i see sensless death, in a war that is already won, and yes we can be civil, and if it becomes uncivil, i will have it taken care of ;)... i dont' expect everyoen to agree with me, if i did, i would kiss ass with a mod for me to make a post and have it closed right after my post lol...

i'm honestly curious how many people share my opinion, or opose mine (and if they do, i don't want a 'i disagree' i want more than that lol...)

higher4hockey
02-02-2007, 04:40 AM
why do you think the war is won ? the enemy is still fighting. ....to me that means the war isn't over... .. agree?

slipknotpsycho
02-02-2007, 04:53 AM
why do you think the war is won ? the enemy is still fighting. ....to me that means the war isn't over... .. agree?

see that's how we see diffrent... cuz to me, they'll always be fighting, along with man kind.. i mean shit, as we speak there are multiple wars going on in africa as we speak, but how much attention do they get... they certainly don't have us troops sitting over there til all violence ceases.. i mean i don't wanna turn this into conspiracy, but don't you find it just a bit odd, we're in iraq, that is far less war-ridden, then africa?

there's always going to be some radical fuckers over there, bombing shit... and there's always going to be terrorists and terrorism, no matter what we do.. you just literally can't eradicate it...

to me we've made our point... "fuck with us, and we'll destroy you" even the terrorist are begging for mercy... just seems pointless to me now... you may say us backing out now is making us seem weak, which it could, i'm not going to lie, but even they, have basicly admitted defeat.... i really doubt there's going to be some great revolt, and if we did back out, and there was a revolt, you know for damn sure we'd be right back over there...

dude i dunno, world peace doesn't exist and it never will, there are something you can't stop, and this is one of those things... doesn't matter if we stay over there another 20 years, there's still going to be those idiots over there, killing people and suicide bombing, just like we still have idiots over here, killing people for no reason...

i literally don't see where it's helping anymore, in the begining, i could justify it, we had to show them we weren't to be fucked with, and i believe we made that statement, for the past few years tho, it's just been pointless death/injury as bush continues his crusade... and i can promise you this also.... as soon as another person is president, doesn't make a fuck who it is, as long as it's not bush, our trooops will be home, every last one of them....

i just find too many coinedences in this shit.. i mean bush has lots of stock in oil, iraq is an extremely oil rich nation (which we all know those peopel aren't past bombing the oil supply lines) multiple more and worse wars in africa (for god sakes theres children over there with ak47's, rpg's and ect...) but bush somehow sees it a nessicity to keep troops stationed in iraq... seems to me if he was the least bit concerned in 'righting the world' we'd be in africa right now... taking care of that shit...

medicinal
02-02-2007, 06:38 AM
i'm honestly curious how many people share my opinion, or opose mine (and if they do, i don't want a 'i disagree' i want more than that lol...)
I pretty much agree with you, The war is overm it's just a killing zone for Americans now. Putting 21,000 (really 42,000 we now find out) more troops in there is just more Americans to kill. When all they do is go out every day and drive around looking for trouble, eventually they'll find some and more GIs die. The insurgents now have shoulder fired missiles to bring down helicopters, so the arial support is now questionable, and with the new "Iranian" trigger mechanisms, the IEDs are more dangerous. The only sane plan is to pull out and let what will be, be!

higher4hockey
02-04-2007, 08:02 PM
medicinal ~ so you don't agree with the idea of finishing what you started?

medicinal
02-06-2007, 12:21 AM
medicinal ~ so you don't agree with the idea of finishing what you started?

If you are digging a hole in a shit field, do you stop digging and get the fuck out or do you keep digging shit. To me the answer is clear. if what you started was for all the wrong reasons, and it is getting worse, fuck it, leave! the field will still be there full of shit. if you want more shit, you can always go back and start digging, I personally dont think it very smart to dig shit. If you do, then be my guest and catch the next plane out and start digging. Does that explain my view?

higher4hockey
02-06-2007, 01:09 AM
every war is like digging shit, people die, get hurt, and buildings get destroyed, and lives get ruined. but someone has to do it. at the bottom of the shit field is something right and true, but granted you have to dig through shit to get it. people in this country want us to quit digging. but would they want us to quit digging if we were digging ourselves out? no.


"with great power, there must also come great responsibility"


(but overall, i like your arguement)