my brother...

[slipknotpsycho]

is now wanting to go into the army... he's only 17... and he only wants to go for 2 reasons, money and to get outta my mom's house...

i feel so lost.... i can't fucking lose another brother.... i've dealt with it once... i won't deal with it again.

[higher4hockey]

do you want to stop him ??

[slipknotpsycho]

of course i do!

and don't bother giving me all the bullshit of what it does FOR you.....

cuz frankly I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

[FreeVenice]

It's his choice.

[higher4hockey]

well then i dont know what to tell you, except tell him to join the NAVY.

[slipknotpsycho]

fuck that... he don't want to go to fight terror, he don't want to go because he believes in freedom... he wants to go to escape my mother, and to make money (cuz no one wants to hire him) ......

i've already lost one brother, i WON'T lose another...

[FreeVenice]

If he doesn't want to go, and he hasn't signed the papers, give him a better offer. Talk to him about his future and push him in the direction. He's to young to go to the army. Tell him to stay for a year and if he still wants to go then go. . .

[benagain]

Tell him to join the navy. Screw the army. The navy might be not as hard-ass as the rest (except for the seals), but if he'll be safer on a boat somewhere than the desert.

Whatever he decides, just stand by em. Make sure they know you think it's a shitty idea, but if he's stuck on it, back him up. If he leaves home and joins up feeling lonely, then he may come back a different guy than what he left.

I've noticed those looking for a purpose come back from the service changed. Those who go for the job and such ususally come back the way they left..

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

of course i do!

and don't bother giving me all the bullshit of what it does FOR you.....

cuz frankly I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

aight dood just chill out, gettin angry wont get you anywhere

have you talked to him about it yet? you probaly have.. i mean if u already lost one bro i mean thats gotta be harsh.. but i think ya just gotta talk to him man to man and let him know 100% how you feel

what does ur mom think of him joinin the army?

or if all else fails.. tell him hes a bush bummer for joinin the army..

[benagain]

well then i dont know what to tell you, except tell him to join the NAVY.

LMAO. You beat me to it. :D

[go toke up]

hes only 17. he aint legal to be on his own unless he emancipates himself. im sure hell change his mind once he sees how fucked up it really is over there.

[higher4hockey]

thats pretty much the appeal of the military these days.
most people in the military don't have much other choice in life. and not everyone in the military is on the front lines with an m-16. my buddy is in the army he's a techno nerd. there are a lot of jobs in the military that don't require going into combat. granted they are in support of combat units. but if he chooses wisely he can come out of the military a much better person.

and tell him to join the Navy, no one fucks with the Navy! (except the Marines)

[Samwhore]

slip, Im with you

but if he really wants to, he will

all you can do is beg him to stay home

build up your pursuasion skills

[slipknotpsycho]

i know all i can do is support him... but i do not support this....

he's making this choice to get out of my mom's house... and i offered him to come live here.. that's going to prove to be a magician's act in th eend, but i'll be fucking god damned if i'm not gonna do everything i can to keep him from making an IDIOTIC decision....

look you wanna go fight a war cuz you believe in it... fine! but i'm not leting my little bro go fight in some bullshit just to escape my mother.

"don't get angry"... my fucking ass, my only surviving brother is wanting to sign his own death warrant.. again i say FUCK THAT....

i might be able to give him what he wants, but i'm not so confident...

[benagain]

i might be able to give him what he wants, but i'm not so confident...


Maybe that's whay he wants. Sounds like he's not able to care for himself yet (obviously hes 17), so maybe this is an easy way to become a 'man'. He prolly doesn't want to be a burden to you and wants to be able to provide well for himself as soon as possible. I hope he finds a better option.
I'll hope for the best for ya man. I've got a buddy stationed near bagdad and don't care for it. I couldn't imagine if it was my brother.

[higher4hockey]

you seem to have misconceptions about the military, the entire military is not in iraq. there are more service members here in the states than there are in iraq.

and what would he do if he lives with you? if no one wants to give him a job what would be the point. he can either join the military and better himself, or he could live with you and not get a job..................????

joining the military is NOT signing your own death warrant!

[Samwhore]

dont listen to them, I know what you mean, Ive read the other old threads. My dad is the only stopping me from killing 4 sick bastards. But I dont because I love him, like you love your brother. And your willing to do anything to make him happy/ protect him. Convince the hell out of him to stay. He just wants to leave, and the military does a damn good job making it look like a pretty good place. its not. If he goes to boot camp and everything, he will be completely brainwashed and have no rights when he is a solider. I'd rather have my rights then fight in a war I dont care about. Its going to be worse in the war than at mommy's house. Make him relize that.

[FreeVenice]

hes only 17. he aint legal to be on his own unless he emancipates himself. im sure hell change his mind once he sees how fucked up it really is over there.

Won't that be to late?

[Samwhore]

joining the military is NOT signing your own death warrant!

its signing away your rights

[benagain]

you seem to have misconceptions about the military, the entire military is not in iraq. there are more service members here in the states than there are in iraq.

and what would he do if he lives with you? if no one wants to give him a job what would be the point. he can either join the military and better himself, or he could live with you and not get a job..................????

joining the military is NOT signing your own death warrant!

Yea you're right. There is a good number of people still here in the states.........the ones that were too dumb to point the gun strait. If he doesn't go to bagdad, he's going to germany or somehwere else. They're not gonna leave any good ones sitting pretty here at home. There's a chance, but a slim one he'll stay in the states. At least till the next administration moves into office and decides what to do.

Everyone I've ever known that went into the military is either in the middle east, or back from a recent visit.

[slipknotpsycho]

misconception about the military...

look if you support this idea, get the fuck out now, cuz i'm not listening to you, and even worse.. am begining to hate you... i don't give a fuck what you got to say unless you're giving me ideas...

joining the military IS signing your own death warrant no matter what you say... and i don't care what you have to say.... i've seen enough to know enough about it....

sam- that's the problem, he won't realize that.. he's like me, (or atleast a younger me) he has to see it for himself to believe it... and if he sees it for himself, he's too late...

i'm doing what i can to bring him here... anything i can...

[higher4hockey]

I'd rather have my rights then fight in a war I dont care about. Its going to be worse in the war than at mommy's house. Make him relize that.

you guys arent listening to me. NOT EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY GOES TO WAR.


you still have your rights in the military.... you just can't smoke weed.

[benagain]

you still have your rights in the military.... you just can't smoke weed.

No you don't.....If he ups and leaves and wants to go home. He can go to jail....

[slipknotpsycho]

or wake up when you want, go where you want.... you have no rights in the military... the only diffrence is your record for the military is good, while your record being locked up is bad..

higherforhockey, when you're only living brother you give 2 shits about is considering this, then come back, for now, please JUST GET THE FUCK OUT.. cuz you're doing nothing but adding aggitation to a situation that has enough.

as for the rest, i need facts, shit i can say with confidence to him the next time i talk to him.. (he's signing this friday if i or someone else doesn't convince him otherwise)

[Samwhore]

Well slip, I dont know, I have a way of making people feel stupid when they think about doing stupid things. So they dont do it because of how humiliated I made them feel. I know war is bloody- I have the awesomest of imaginations. Why dont you try to make him visualize the best way you can. I can see his stubborness, and theres no way to get him out. The best thing to do is probally yell at him and make him feel as stupid as possible, thats what I would do.

[Samwhore]

you guys arent listening to me. NOT EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY GOES TO WAR.


you still have your rights in the military.... you just can't smoke weed.

there is a possible drafting in decision, so not everyone going to war is highly unlikely. and as soon as your a solider all your constitutional rights are gone.

[benagain]

or wake up when you want, go where you want.... you have no rights in the military... the only diffrence is your record for the military is good, while your record being locked up is bad..

This is an idea, and it may be a shitty one, but is there a Job Corp near you? It's not gonna be as cush a life as after the army, but he can still get osme training without having to worry about student loans and such. He can at least pickup a vocational trade and get out of the house.

[Samwhore]

higherforhockey, JUST GET THE FUCK OUT..

hahhaha looks like no more samstration

[Samwhore]

This is an idea, and it may be a shitty one, but is there a Job Corp near you? It's not gonna be as cush a life as after the army, but he can still get osme training without having to worry about student loans and such. He can at least pickup a vocational trade and get out of the house.

BEST ADVICE EVER

[slipknotpsycho]

yes, actually even in our small ass town that has nothing we have one of those... i guess i can get him up there (if i can get him to come llive with me) while we mow yards for money (1/2 his concern is money)

[Samwhore]

yes, actually even in our small ass town that has nothing we have one of those... i guess i can get him up there (if i can get him to come llive with me) while we mow yards for money (1/2 his concern is money)

tell his broke ass to get a job

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

i know all i can do is support him... but i do not support this....

he's making this choice to get out of my mom's house... and i offered him to come live here.. that's going to prove to be a magician's act in th eend, but i'll be fucking god damned if i'm not gonna do everything i can to keep him from making an IDIOTIC decision....

look you wanna go fight a war cuz you believe in it... fine! but i'm not leting my little bro go fight in some bullshit just to escape my mother.

"don't get angry"... my fucking ass, my only surviving brother is wanting to sign his own death warrant.. again i say FUCK THAT....

i might be able to give him what he wants, but i'm not so confident...

I wish i had a brother :( lol

before i was born my parents had a baby boy but then like 3 days later he died, then a year later i was born.. sometimes i think what it'd be like if he never died and havin an older bro.. but then again if he didnt die i probaly wouldnt be here.. which would kinda suck for me

as someone else said tho, theres other things he can do in the army which isnt goin into battle but rather other stuff.. but if he only wants to go to get away from his mom it does seem pretty damn stupid, couldnt he just get a normal job and move out into some cheap apartment or somethin?

[slipknotpsycho]

tell his broke ass to get a job

see that's the problem, we live in houston or near houston, after katrina... we had few openings to begin with (we are a HUGE community and can't even support all the demands of jobs... much less we have part of an entire state come here and decide to live here) that's what causes such a problem... he has looked, for months and months... i've searched for YEARS....

never found it.... which is what causes the problem... which is where the only thing i know came into picutre.... going out and mowing yards... i don't care.... i just don't want him to leave.. i don't want it, and deep down, i know he doesn't either..... he's just looking for an alternative... which is what lead us to present... and we've had talks about this before....

i'll do whatever it takes WHATEVER it takes... i won't lose another brother...

[Samwhore]

heres what it will be like if he goes to war...

Snowman: War
Lil Bro: Bambi

DOES HE WANT THIS?

*P.S. the war will whistle

[partyguy420]

i say... kick his ass.... tell him that you feel resposible for him, because you cant stand to loose him... and that you think he should wait a year... and that after he turns 18, and possibly graduates, that maybe he can come and try staying on your couch for a while... so that he maybe will have a better chance of maybe finding a job... and he could help you out with getting by on rent and what not(from what ive read you seam like your in debt past your eye balls) so you guys could both benifit from it...

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

i say... kick his ass.... tell him that you feel resposible for him, because you cant stand to loose him... and that you think he should wait a year... and that after he turns 18, and possibly graduates, that maybe he can come and try staying on your couch for a while... so that he maybe will have a better chance of maybe finding a job... and he could help you out with getting by on rent and what not(from what ive read you seam like your in debt past your eye balls) so you guys could both benifit from it...

lol.. kickin his ass wont stop him

i say tie him up and if he gets lipy pistol whip him n say "gotta get used to that shit bro if ya wanna join the army"

or somethin i dunno.. i think i already asked this question but what does ur mum think of this?

him joinin the army not u pistol whippin him

[halo]

tell him to join the coast gaurd. He'll get the benefits of being in the military but will never have to leave the country.

[slipknotpsycho]

we are that far in debt, and i still dont' care... i'll take even more... ruin my good name, i dont' give a shit.. as long as i have a surviving b rother....


my mom hates the idea as much as me... but that's just her, she hates everything.... wouldn't matter if you were a lawyer making 100's of thousands a year, she'd hate it (which is why i didn't asnwer it the frist time around) I CARE about my brothers well being.... she doesn't.... again, that's why i didn't answer tha tquestion in the first place.

[partyguy420]

you guys arent listening to me. NOT EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY GOES TO WAR.


you still have your rights in the military.... you just can't smoke weed.

umm.... i just read something about the secratery of defence or something, calling for more troups for iraq.... i dont rember were i read it... or how many more troups they are needing to go over there.... but chances are... anyone who joins anytime soon will end up over there...

[JunkYard]

The only real option for you is for him to find a job outside the military. He wants work, but can't find it, right? Help him find a j.o.b. if you're concerned, man. People have needs, and his needs will always outweigh your own when it comes to his life. benagain made a good suggestion, imo. Job corp it's a rough start but it will get him out of the house and a little money in his pocket.

Right now he's thinking, "how am I going to make it on my own?" Help him make his way w/o criticizing his current state of mind. He just wants something better for himself, bro. There are options out there, but they center on a job with a decent wage I'm afraid.

If you can offer something better then you're gold. If not, then you may be wasting your time. I feel for ya, but unless you can truly help him, he's gonna do what he's gonna do.

I wish I could offer something myself, but I can't; I'm an unemployed peon just trying to survive myself. Get some info on job corp and give it to him. Do your homework and be prepared, tho. He's sure to ask a lot of questions...


Best wishes,

[partyguy420]

we are that far in debt, and i still dont' care... i'll take even more... ruin my good name, i dont' give a shit.. as long as i have a surviving b rother....


my mom hates the idea as much as me... but that's just her, she hates everything.... wouldn't matter if you were a lawyer making 100's of thousands a year, she'd hate it (which is why i didn't asnwer it the frist time around) I CARE about my brothers well being.... she doesn't.... again, that's why i didn't answer tha tquestion in the first place.

i still think it would be a good idea to kick his ass... and make him sleep on your couch....

[Samwhore]

make him sleep on your couch....


"Fuck yo couch n****"

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

i still think it would be a good idea to kick his ass... and make him sleep on your couch....

I like sleepin on couch's.. i dunno why i just do.. my dads movin out pretty soon so im gonna be crashin at a mates until we make some money to move amsterdam but damn man, sometimes i dont even sleep in my bed, ill just go downstairs and snuggle up on the nice comfy couch :D

my cousin has an awesome couch, its LITERILLY like sleepin on a cloud.. ahh heaven

[Samwhore]

The only couch I like happens to be the "show couch"

"YOU CANT SLEEP ON THAT, THATS THE GOOD COUCH! THE ONE FOR COMPANY!"

damn good couch, but i'd choose a bed any day

[Demeter]

My little brother is on his third tour of duty in Iraq, and everytime he leaves I fear it will be the last time I ever see him, so I do understand your fear.
The Navy is actually a pretty good idea, they probably aren't on the front lines in Iraq. My sister joined the navy to help pay for nursing school and it worked out well for her.

It is so hard when people we love do things we don't want them to do- we feel so helpless. All you can do is BE A GOOD EXAMPLE for your brother- that speaks volumes!
He's very lucky to have a brother like you to guide him!

[HERBZILLA88]

does he have a girlfriend? if he does encourage her to ask him to stay...i was in line to join the navy but cut out because my girlfriend wanted to be with me (we are now engaged and oculdnt be happier).
if not, try to hook him up with a respectable chick...
i odnt know.. sorry if this advice was useless

[Professor Dan K.]

misconception about the military...

look if you support this idea, get the fuck out now, cuz i'm not listening to you, and even worse.. am begining to hate you... i don't give a fuck what you got to say unless you're giving me ideas...

joining the military IS signing your own death warrant no matter what you say... and i don't care what you have to say.... i've seen enough to know enough about it....

sam- that's the problem, he won't realize that.. he's like me, (or atleast a younger me) he has to see it for himself to believe it... and if he sees it for himself, he's too late...

i'm doing what i can to bring him here... anything i can...

wow man... i had a lot of respect for you... and i know you dont care at all what im saying, but after that you just went down a couple notches in my book

[FreeVenice]

wow man... i had a lot of respect for you... and i know you dont care at all what im saying, but after that you just went down a couple notches in my book

Thats strange I thought to say so but its such a touchy matter.

[Professor Dan K.]

yes it is but that doesnt mean you have to say others are wrong and you hate them for having an opinion.... the fact is joining hte military is in no way signing your own death warrant... thats just stupid and chilidish to say. that in no way means there isnt a possibilty of losing your life. it all depends on what you do int he army.

i mean i totally feel for you slip i do... id hate to be in your position, i dunno what i would do, but i mean.. cmon you dont have to resort to that kinda shit. keep an open mind.

[partyguy420]

wow man... i had a lot of respect for you... and i know you dont care at all what im saying, but after that you just went down a couple notches in my book

actualy... once you sign that paper saying you want to join the military... you sign your life over to the US goverment(well what life you do have) to go fight for "freedom"(usaly for other countrys) and they dont just give you a gun and a pill that makes you invincable... and there are no cheat codes like on the video games that makes your health re heal, or that makes it so the enimies shoot watermelon flavored gummie(like gummie worms) bullets... your enimes shoot real lead(and metal) bullets... at a speed fast enugh to kill you... they plant bombs along side the road that will injur and or kill half of your squad... they toss bombs out of planes that will crack your head open and send your arms to the other side of the world... so when you sign up for the military... im going to agree with slip... and say, yea, you basicaly sign your own death warent...

but im still joining the marines when im 18

but anyways.... i like the couch alot better then my bed... i always feel more at home sleeping on a couch... partly, because when i was younger.... i ended up throwing my bed out my window... because it was smelly and nasty... and it was my brothers befor it was mine... and he had a night time problem... so i pulled our old couch into my room, and slept on that for a few years... until i ended up breaking it... and so i grabed the love seat(ohh my god... it was fucking big and soft...) and i slept on that for a long time until i got a new bed for baby sitting(got a intire bedroom set for baby sitting my uncles kids for a few days)

[Skink]

Oh look,,,bONG sHITZ WAS BANNED,,,THANKS sLIP...


Slip you need to talk to your bro heart to heart... He's doing what he feels will better his life,,,maybe you can come up with a better plan and convince him to not join...

[benagain]

I like my couch. I allways pick it over the bed for daytime sleeping.

[hello3pat]

wow man... i had a lot of respect for you... and i know you dont care at all what im saying, but after that you just went down a couple notches in my book
I know people in each of the armed forces all have told me not to even think about joining, your selling your life and your basic rights away. You lose most of your rights that are stated in the bill of rights, more specificly free speech

[Inferius]

I'm curious, in what ways do they come back changed?
Or does it vary?

[Pipe Dreams]

is now wanting to go into the army... he's only 17... and he only wants to go for 2 reasons, money and to get outta my mom's house...

i feel so lost.... i can't fucking lose another brother.... i've dealt with it once... i won't deal with it again.


Slipknot brotha man, instead of feeling bad for yourself, why dont you support your brothers decision, and encourage him?

[slipknotpsycho]

ok now that i'm reading back, i guess i got a bit touchy and harsh with

"look if you support this idea, get the fuck out now, cuz i'm not listening to you, and even worse.. am begining to hate you... i don't give a fuck what you got to say unless you're giving me ideas..."

but i don't want to lose another brother, and i sure as hell can't/won't be able to just deal with it... he's my younger brother ffs.. i'm supposed to protect him, even from things he thinks are right...

things would be diffrent if he wanted to go because he believed in it, i wouldn't like it, and it would greatly upset me at the thought that i could lose him, but he's not going becasue he believes in it, he's signing up becasue the recruiters are putting dollar signs in his eyes, and he's going to get away from my mother.... and those facts alone are what makes it such a bad idea that i need to get sense through him....

i want to bring him here, but you know, i'm just not so sure it's going to work... we already have severe money issues... a lack of space, ect.. so i don't know what i'm going to do anymore...

becasue of my brothers funeral (this will give you an idea of just how traumatic this was on me) i will never go to another one, for any reason. i just couldn't take going through everything i went through with my other brother, all over agian..

i just don't know what to do, i feel so lost and helpless....

(bong hits, if you got banned cuz of me, i'm sorry, i wouldn't have even asked for the mods to ban you, but banning is their job and i have no control over it....)

just... what do you do when someone you care for a great deal, is making a wrong decision...

[Skink]

Good to see you Slip... #1 BongHits is a troll,,, You did not get him banned,,,so don't worry about that,,,Perhaps it was inappropriate of me to post about BH being banned...

#2 God Bless your Wife cause she's a saint to have to worry about you,,,I hope you told her you love tonight...

Slip You need to start living life instead of clouding over with thoughts of death,,,and for Christ sake let some daylight into that room,,,LOLz...

Hey Slip I don't even know your brothers name??? You need to discuss with him what you iterate here... does he know you post here??? does he have internet??? You should try hashing shit out through a forum or email cause it seems to be a way you could say things easily...

What you say here is the only way you can tell your brother because it is what you really feel,,,say something different than what you feel and it becomes a load of crap,,,easy for someone to smell...


Last thing Slip,,,this place is your release,,,don't ever think you can't or shouldn't release here...

Skink cares...

[thcbongman]

Try to convince your brother is other options out there. It's limitless what he can do. Joining the military isn't a bad thing, as long as he scores high in the ASVAB, he'll never see time in combat.

However your heart is in the right place slip and that's respectable.

You know your brother, what interests him, what makes him tick. Show him the light.

Or find some beauty to seduce him. lol.

[Professor Dan K.]

8 hear the airforce is pretty comfortable compared to the army... i mean i know you dont want him near anything like that but if hes really set on going talk to him about that, or the navy as many have also suggested.

i dunno if this is out of the picture, but maybe get him to consider getting some room mates together and getting like part time or full time job at somewhere relatively simple.

[geonagual]

thought I would put my 2 cents in....

In the Army.....
You defend the constitution, but you dont live by it.


If there are no jobs where you live, come to California, there are a ton of jobs out here. I could get your brother a job right now with no expereince and he would make 12$ an hour. That still is alot more than a lowly private in the Army. Plus, you dont have to stop any bullets.