Report: Gulf States Prepared to Back U.S. Military Strike on Iran

[Bong30]

Gulf States Prepared to Back U.S. Military Strike on Iran

America Warns Iran to Back Down - January 23, 2007 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/47225)
January 23, 2007 edition

America Warns Iran to Back Down
By JIM KRANE
Associated Press
January 23, 2007 posted 1:26 pm EST


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - A second American aircraft carrier strike group now steaming toward the Middle East is Washington's way of warning Iran to back down in its attempts to dominate the region, a top American diplomat said here Tuesday.

Nicholas Burns, undersecretary of state for political affairs, ruled out direct negotiations with Iran and said a rapprochement between Washington and Tehran was "not possible" until Iran halts uranium enrichment.

"The Middle East isn't a region to be dominated by Iran. The Gulf isn't a body of water to be controlled by Iran. That's why we've seen the United States station two carrier battle groups in the region," Mr. Burns said in an address to the Dubai-based Gulf Research Center, an influential think-tank.

" Iran is going to have to understand that the United States will protect its interests if Iran seeks to confront us," Mr. Burns continued.

Iran is in a standoff with the West over its defiance of U.N. demands to halt uranium enrichment, which can produce fuel for both nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Iran says its atomic program is aimed solely at generating energy, but America and some of its allies suspect it is geared toward making weapons. The U.N. imposed limited sanctions on Iran last month.

[medicinal]

Gulf States Prepared to Back U.S. Military Strike on Iran This is pure bullshit. The gulf states don't want further escalation of American Imperialism, they want the U.S. out of the middle east, period. Pushing for an Iranian war will involve Nukes. The Iranian Army is A million strong, you can't win a ground war so Nukes are the only option. If the united States is stupid enough to go against Iran, Be prepared for a whole bunch of Body bags. I think the people professing this escalation should have to fight it! Give Cheney and Ashcroft an M-16 and drop them in Tehran~LOL~.

[thcbongman]

Nothing in that article indicates that any middle east country would back the US........

Only a sentence about President Ahmadinejad accusing the US of stirring conflict between the different sects.

[Zimzum]

Nothing in that article indicates that any middle east country would back the US........

Only a sentence about President Ahmadinejad accusing the US of stirring conflict between the different sects.

Its just Bong's cheerleading for war.

And I could see other countries in the area supporting the US. Maybe its due to the fact they don't want to be next? But allot of them no matter how they feel about the US, do not want Iran to become the "dominant" power of the area as well.

[mrdevious]

I don't see how the U.S. could launch any sort of invasion in Iran with so much of their forces tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. God help them if they bring back the draft.

[Fengzi]

Anyone ever read Tom Clancy's book "Executive Orders"? Ok, ok, I admit his books are nothing but mindless entertainment but hey, they can be fun to read from time to time. Anyhow, in this book the enemy is the newly formed country of The United Islamic Republic. This country was formed after Iran invades Iraq, following an assaination of the Iraqi President, and the fact that Iraq was weakened by years of the U.S. fucking with it.

Anyhow, I can easily see why other countries in the region would support the U.S. going after Iran right now. Iraq is so fucked up they are about to implode. Certainly if we were to just pack up and pull out, the entire place would go to hell and Iran could walk right in. Like Zimzum said, "no matter how they feel about the US, do not want Iran to become the "dominant" power of the area as well."

Bottom line, Iran is poised to set itself up as a giant fundementalist Islamic state, one that could dominate the entire regoin and become a bigger threat than anything we've encountered so far. All courtesy of George "Dubya" Bush.

[medicinal]

Bottom line, Iran is poised to set itself up as a giant fundementalist Islamic state, one that could dominate the entire regoin and become a bigger threat than anything we've encountered so far. All courtesy of George "Dubya" Bush.
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.................................................. Amen! can I get an Allah is great 3 hundred times!

[Psycho4Bud]

All courtesy of George "Dubya" Bush.
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.................................................. Amen! can I get an Allah is great 3 hundred times!

LOL......they've had a hard on since they kicked out the Shah and especially since the Iraq/Iran war. Now explain how this is ALL Bushs' fault.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

I don't see how the U.S. could launch any sort of invasion in Iran with so much of their forces tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. God help them if they bring back the draft.

There would be no ground forces. This would be an arial attack only. The only way ground forces might be used is if they decided to take the war to Iraq.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Fengzi]

LOL......they've had a hard on since they kicked out the Shah and especially since the Iraq/Iran war. Now explain how this is ALL Bushs' fault.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Oh, that's right....you still believe that going into Iraq was a good thing :rolleyes:

[Zimzum]

There would be no ground forces. This would be an arial attack only. The only way ground forces might be used is if they decided to take the war to Iraq.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

The second a US aircraft goes down in Iran it will be a land battle to save the pilot/crew. Black hawk down, I'm sure you have seen the movie.

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh, that's right....you still believe that going into Iraq was a good thing :rolleyes:

Not a good thing........a VERY good thing!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

The second a US aircraft goes down in Iran it will be a land battle to save the pilot/crew. Black hawk down, I'm sure you have seen the movie.

Watched the movie and a documentary on the History Channel on it just the other night. The greatest regret from the survivors was that they were not allowed to finish the job that they went in there for. NOW it seems that the world is screaming for something to be done there now that it has turned into a hell hole. Let them re-arm so more lives can be lost.

When do we deal with Iran? Should we wait till they have a nuke or launch it?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Fengzi]

Not a good thing........a VERY good thing!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

In the immortal words of P.T. Barnum:

"There's a sucker born every minute"

[medicinal]

Not a good thing........a VERY good thing!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Suit up, all defenders of Bushs' policys suit up, get your M-16 and vest and boots and head on out, the rest of us won't follow an insane leader, I'd go to Canada first. It's one thing to fight for your country when it needs you, it's another to follow an insane leaders dictate into a foriegn land to get shot or blown up for Ego, fuck terrorists, if they come here I'll fight the SOBs, but I'll not be forced to serve in their land by some egomaniac with a my dick is bigger than yours mentality!(BTW I'm too old for the "Draft") but if I weren't, That'd be my creedo!

[PatrickHenry]

Watched the movie and a documentary on the History Channel on it just the other night. The greatest regret from the survivors was that they were not allowed to finish the job that they went in there for.

They're soldiers, not politicians. Their job is to fight, not understand the entire scope of the political task they're carrying out. Your point is moot and has weak inductive strength.

[Psycho4Bud]

They're soldiers, not politicians. Their job is to fight, not understand the entire scope of the political task they're carrying out.

Sounds like a Kerry comment about how you'll end up in Iraq if ya don't do your school. Another SMUG alert has been issued!:eek:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

fuck terrorists, if they come here I'll fight the SOBs, but I'll not be forced to serve in their land!

Why thank you for proving a point.....I'd rather see the S.O.B.s getting killed in their own land than on OUR soil.

The right wants to take the war to them, the left wants to wait for another 9-11 then cry when it happens. Oh well..........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Zimzum]

When do we deal with Iran? Should we wait till they have a nuke or launch it?

YES! By the time they have there first one from now is more then enough time to try diplomacy. Sanctions are only a small part. Bush needs to talk with Iran like Nixon talked to China or Regan talked to Russia. Not talking only fueled the cold war. When talks happened things got better. If by the time Iran does have a weapon and actual talks went nowhere. Action yes! But not lead by the US or in the name of the US. Israel is threatened more by Iran then us, and there is a time when we must stop sacrificing American lives in order to defend land that is not ours. Nations or individuals.. there comes a time when they must act to protect what is theres and not what is yours. Just as in all the BS in American politics now there is just as much BS in Iranian politics.

[Psycho4Bud]

YES! By the time they have there first one from now is more then enough time to try diplomacy. Sanctions are only a small part. Bush needs to talk with Iran like Nixon talked to China or Regan talked to Russia. Not talking only fueled the cold war. When talks happened things got better. If by the time Iran does have a weapon and actual talks went nowhere. Action yes! But not lead by the US or in the name of the US. Israel is threatened more by Iran then us, and there is a time when we must stop sacrificing American lives in order to defend land that is not ours. Nations or individuals.. there comes a time when they must act to protect what is theres and not what is yours. Just as in all the BS in American politics now there is just as much BS in Iranian politics.

What do ya say to a dude that calls for the destruction of Israel and it's people? What do ya say to a dude that has 11.5 million set up as martyrs in a Basij army? There is NO talking to this cat or the Mullahs that control him.

There is good reason why the Sunni dominate countries of that region backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war and are now concerned with the extremist Shiite element in Iraq.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Zimzum]

Iran/Iraq war? OK

US played both sides. It wasn't until later on that Iran felt that the US was supporting Iraq more. The Iran/Contra affair? Israel actual supplied allot of the weapon for Iran during that war. Whether or not Israels main goal was to prolong there war (let em kill each other for us) is true or not I do not know.

[medicinal]

There is good reason why the Sunni dominate countries of that region backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war and are now concerned with the extremist Shiite element in Iraq Fine, let the sunni-shia battles begin, sell them weapons (after all thats what we're really good at) and let them go to it, pull back to Saudi Arabia (our real allies!~LOL~) and watch the fireworks. I'll bet you this escalation in Iraq kills another 1,000 GIs, wanna bet? 1,000 sons and fathers, brothers and sisters daughters and cousins, uncles and aunts. The death of a serviceman affects many people, none of it good!

[HinduKush83]

Iran has a right to have nuclear energy. There is no reason why the US should meddle in their affairs. Here is an article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/22/AR2005082201447_pf.html) from the Washington Post saying there is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear program. Make of it what you will.

America needs to stop breast feeding Israel and let them take care of their own problems.

[Psycho4Bud]

America needs to stop breast feeding Israel and let them take care of their own problems.

Most everyone in the U.S. has the right to own weapons. Does that mean that we let people convicted of violent crimes have one....NO. What's easier; send 11.5 million martyrs out or launch a nuke?

We will........it's just when Israel bombs the shit out of Irans nuclear facilities we have let it known that we DO have Israels back.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

Most everyone in the U.S. has the right to own weapons. Does that mean that we let people convicted of violent crimes have one....NO. What's easier; send 11.5 million martyrs out or launch a nuke?

We will........it's just when Israel bombs the shit out of Irans nuclear facilities we have let it known that we DO have Israels back.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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Why are we so interested in Israel's future but not the Iranians? Are the people of Iran any lesser of humans than we? The president of Iran feels just as strongly about protecting the interests of his people as president Bush does about his. The only difference is we have a bigger military and are more agressive.

It seems pretty unlikely that Iran would ever want to conqueur the United States nor fund terrorists to blow us up if we got out of their land. Please don't give me that bullshit about them shoving islam down our throats at the end of the gun. It's not going to happen.

Their is just one problem, we are addicted to oil, and were are the oil empire.

[Psycho4Bud]

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Why are we so interested in Israel's future but not the Iranians? Are the people of Iran any lesser of humans than we? The president of Iran feels just as strongly about protecting the interests of his people as president Bush does about his. The only difference is we have a bigger military and are more agressive.

So what comment by Bush is comparable to this?

November 13, 2006

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

It seems pretty unlikely that Iran would ever want to conqueur the United States nor fund terrorists to blow us up if we got out of their land.

Can you spell H-e-z-b-o-l-l-a-h? Very good! That dad-burn college education payed off huh? Also, what part of Iran do we currently occupy?

Please don't give me that bullshit about them shoving islam down our throats at the end of the gun. It's not going to happen.

How true! There are people making sure of that one!:D

Their is just one problem, we are addicted to oil, and were are the oil empire.

LMAO! When all else fails, accuse us of stealing the oil! By the time we're done the price of gas should be around a nickle.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

LMAO! When all else fails, accuse us of stealing the oil! By the time we're done the price of gas should be around a nickle.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

What the fuck is a dad-burn college? I paid my own way through state college. I must have really pissed you off calling you out on your lack of an education huh? It's obvious from your writing skills that you barely finished high school, and additionally, have a pretty hard time reading. Quit watching O'Reilly and enroll yourself in school. You'll thank me for it!

With regard to your other bullshit: are you honestly putting forth the idea that Bush and other conservatives don't support Israel?

You're like a flower and I'm the sun shining knowledge down on you.

[Psycho4Bud]

What the fuck is a dad-burn college? I paid my own way through state college. I must have really pissed you off calling you out on your lack of an education huh? It's obvious from your writing skills that you barely finished high school, and additionally, have a pretty hard time reading. Quit watching O'Reilly and enroll yourself in school. You'll thank me for it!

LOL.....can always count on you for a SMUG ALERT! :D You make it way to easy my friend.

With regard to your other bullshit: are you honestly putting forth the idea that Bush and other conservatives don't support Israel?

The U.S. supports Israel. Same now as it did many presidents before. Didn't they have History in that fine school of yours?:(

You're like a flower and I'm the sun shining knowledge down on you.

LMAO! Thats your analogy? If you were attemting to enlighten me I might agree but it seems more like your the cow trying to shit on me, the mushroom. :eek:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

The U.S. supports Israel. Same now as it did many presidents before. Didn't they have History in that fine school of yours?

See you say that now, but you just gave me some quotes demonstrating that Bush didn't support Israel?



So what comment by Bush is comparable to this?

November 13, 2006

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

Which way is it?

ps. Don't worry, I won't charge for schooling you. The greatest part is I'm a history major. The irony!

[Psycho4Bud]

LMAO! With your superior level of education you didn't know that quote was from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? ( That's the President of Iran by the way:D )

Glad your not charging! Did YOU actually get charged???:eek:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

Dumb as a bag of rocks with a degree................LOL

[PatrickHenry]

LMAO! With your superior level of education you didn't know that quote was from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? ( That's the President of Iran by the way:D )

Glad your not charging! Did YOU actually get charged???:eek:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I'm asking you to show me where Bush doesn't support Israel, and why Israel is entitled to such support? If you'll remember, my point was that we as Americans don't have the right to have nuclear weapons any more than any other nation, including Iran.

Your friend (and mentor),

Patrick Henry

[PatrickHenry]

Dumb as a bag of rocks with a degree................LOL

Welcome to the class Bong30! Please just take a seat up front. Thanks!

[medicinal]

We will........it's just when Israel bombs the shit out of Irans nuclear facilities we have let it known that we DO have Israels back. Isreal needs to stay out of Iran, we need to stay out of Iran. We need an administration that will foster positive outreaches to these "enemys". These people by and far want to be friends with us, the militant minority are the problem. If we reached out with some incentives and their government stepped up, maybe we could make some progress. Those governments use The U.S.A. to vent the hatred of their own government. IE : If they're hating America, they won't have time to see how we're fucking over them, this works extremely well, Bush even tried this with his terrorist rants, and we're only now finding out how much he is fucking over us!

[Bong30]

Ill tell you why.....

Cause we understand MAD....THEY DONT.

We want to live

They want to die as a marter...


Mybe if amad a blah blah Jab (my name for him) didnt go around saying that he wanted to kill all the jews it would be ok.

Hey PH ,...... he will use, them he said he would....

You are anti semitic, and racist...

it is starting to show.

your true colors will shine......RED im sure.

[Bong30]

Welcome to the class Bong30! Please just take a seat up front. Thanks!


your class like your Boy Ward HUH..... I would walk into your class shit on your desk tell you to fuck off and leave.......:rastasmoke:

[PatrickHenry]

your class like your Boy Ward HUH..... I would walk into your class shit on your desk tell you to fuck off and leave.......:rastasmoke:

That's alright dude, I cater to special education students like you! HAHAHAHA

[Bong30]

That's alright dude, I am a special education student! HAHAHAHA


Think what you want.....

you are the one...welcome to my class...Blah blah

Just keep talking shit.....ill keep telling you to fuck off.

like yin and yang........


Lets start by debating how radical Islam treats women.

Are you raped if not witnessed by 4 other men?

Why must they wear full berkas?

what is a Twelver, and why did the Iatolla outlaw it?

Are you allowed to switch from Islam to christianity, In a Islamic state?


PIck any topic to debate, Or just stand around telling us how smart you are........



Bring it, assclown......

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm asking you to show me where Bush doesn't support Israel, and why Israel is entitled to such support?

Bush does like the presidents before him. Thought I made that clear....I'll try smaller words next time my challenged friend.
The reason why the U.S. supports Israel is pretty obvious if you take a look at middle east philosophys. OOPS, Sorry! The other arab countries really, really don't like Israel. O.K.?:D

If you'll remember, my point was that we as Americans don't have the right to have nuclear weapons any more than any other nation, including Iran.

We got them but don't threaten to enialate countries and it's people. Oh yeah, the President of Iran said that quote, not Bush.:D
Your friend (and mentor),

Patrick Henry

Mentor? LMAO! Someday when your much, much older and I'm senile........well, if your lucky.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

LOL

[methodnredd]

The only way United States could beat Iran would be with nuclear weapons.

Iraq: population - 28.8 million, area - 169,234 sq mi

Iran: population - 70 million, area - 636,372 sq mi

Iran has 2.5 more people and is almost 4 times larger in size.

Iran's military would last much longer than Iraq's, but obviously America's army would beat Iran's military. And then you have to deal with insurgency, which is obviously the hardest part. I can't believe they are even considering this, seeing as they can't even control Iraq.

Please George Bush don't start WWIII

[PatrickHenry]

Think what you want.....

you are the one...welcome to my class...Blah blah

Just keep talking shit.....ill keep telling you to fuck off.

like yin and yang........


Lets start by debating how radical Islam treats women.

Are you raped if not witnessed by 4 other men?

Why must they wear full berkas?

what is a Twelver, and why did the Iatolla outlaw it?

Are you allowed to switch from Islam to christianity, In a Islamic state?


PIck any topic to debate, Or just stand around telling us how smart you are........



Bring it, assclown......

Thanks for joining our discussion,

Why is it our responsibility to impose our beliefs upon them? There are significant injustices around the world that we choose to ignore all of the time. What you're having a hard time understanding is that we don't have a case for being over there. Iran is not a threat to us if we pull out. You're blinded by false issues that are only put forth as a reason beside OIL for us to be there. It's time to use those critical thinking skills we learned in school.

Recall that the Americans fought for their own liberty against a oppressive government.

Your friend,

Patrick Henry

[PatrickHenry]

The reason why the U.S. supports Israel is pretty obvious if you take a look at middle east philosophys. OOPS, Sorry! The other arab countries really, really don't like Israel. O.K.?:

Why do the interests of Israel concern us more than any other country? Just because they're despised within the region? It would appear to me that Israel is more than capable of protecting itself considering it's past war history. Our unwavering and biased support of Israel only adds to the animosity many in the region harvest toward us.

[Psycho4Bud]

Why do the interests of Israel concern us more than any other country?

Not more than any other country. Good example for that region would be Kuwait.

Just because they're despised within the region? It would appear to me that Israel is more than capable of protecting itself considering it's past war history. Our unwavering and biased support of Israel only adds to the animosity many in the region harvest toward us.

There are times when you have to do the unpopular thing for the greater good. France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day. Ain't allies a bitch?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

There are times when you have to do the unpopular thing for the greater good. France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day. Ain't allies a bitch?



What is the greater good you're trying to achieve? Peace? Peace will come when we stop getting ourselves involved in the middle east.

Meanwhile, we didn't protect Poland, and in fact, in the span of the country's past they just recently broke away from the grip of communism with the help of the past Pope. Even the Poles are now protesting our war in Iraq. Do you consider Stalin the savior for Poland? Also, look up how large the actual resistance was in France during WWII. We didn't protect them until we were bombed ourselves, get off your high horse.

[Psycho4Bud]

What is the greater good you're trying to achieve? Peace? Peace will come when we stop getting ourselves involved in the middle east.

If I recall there were some daisy pushers stating the same thing during WW2 concerning Europe.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, we didn't protect Poland, and in fact, in the span of the country's past they just recently broke away from the grip of communism with the help of the past Pope.

LOL.....Can't even give R. Reagan his due.

Even the Poles are now protesting our war in Iraq. Do you consider Stalin the savior for Poland? Also, look up how large the actual resistance was in France during WWII.

LMAO! The French handed over Jews to the Nazis! If it weren't for the U.S., Europe would be a united Germany.

We didn't protect them until we were bombed ourselves, get off your high horse.

It's true that we had to be bombed first.......should be a clue to the present. Half the country didn't want shit to do with Europe until Pearl Harbor. 9-11 SHOULD have been enough of a bitch slap but I guess since it wasn't some peoples home town.....what the hell.

High horse?? Better than riding on a Jackass. (http://republicangear.com/Friends%20Democrat%20Proof%20Face%20Jackass%20ROUN D.gif)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

It's true that we had to be bombed first.......should be a clue to the present. Half the country didn't want shit to do with Europe until Pearl Harbor. 9-11 SHOULD have been enough of a bitch slap but I guess since it wasn't some peoples home town.....what the hell.

High horse?? Better than riding on a Jackass. (http://republicangear.com/Friends%20Democrat%20Proof%20Face%20Jackass%20ROUN D.gif)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

So you're wrong: We didn't protect the Poles or the French. We merely helped them when our self-interests were at risk. Just as we're "helping" Iraq because we haven an interest in their oil, and the oil of the region.

Stop believe all of the bullshit the right-wing is feeding you about protecting our freedom from the freedom haters.

[Psycho4Bud]

So you're wrong: We didn't protect the Poles or the French. We merely helped them when our self-interests were at risk.

LOL...where did I state that we protected the Poles or the French? I said that they should have been able to take care of their own buisiness but it was eventually the big bad U.S. to the rescue again. We probably SHOULD have gotten involved at an earlier date BUT due to the tree huggers of the time that was pretty much ruled out. Since it wasn't on our shores at the time they had the "who gives a fuck" attitude. Kind of like today.

Just as we're "helping" Iraq because we haven an interest in their oil, and the oil of the region.

O.K., oil is the ONLY reason why we're there.:rolleyes:

Stop believe all of the bullshit the right-wing is feeding you about protecting our freedom from the freedom haters.

LOL.......look up 9-11 once. Didn't teach that in your college either? I would seriously be looking for a rebate dude!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

P.S./ If you get a rebate I think it would only be fair if you were to foreward the check to me.......since I am your new mentor. Don't worry young Jedi, you'll catch up.:D

[PatrickHenry]

LOL...where did I state that we protected the Poles or the French?



France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day.

We really saved the Poles by turning them over to communist Stalin huh? Wake up and realize America only does what is in its own interest. You're essentially calling me a lefty tree hugger because I oppose something that is not in the United State's interests.

I am a registered libertarian, not a liberal. You don't bother me, I won't bother you. A significant proportion of people in the middle east are unhappy with our occupation and consider it a bother. I want to oblige them and leave.

I'm sorry but I might have to fail you and put you a year behind. You're at 5th grade level politics. Keep going if you want the lesson to continue.

[thcbongman]

How isn't the military conflict in Iraq in US's interests?

Pulling out now, and many of those reconstruction contracts go to foreign companies. Why lose future opportunity to pump the economy?

All the funding wasted on the Iraqi war to begin with, might as well have the conflict benefit the economy in the long-term.

The middle east is an area where the US should have little involvement, focusing only on limited trade, and foreign exchanges. It's too late for that philosophy, the damage has already been done by Bush, and it's America's responsibility to clean it up.

I don't agree with Bush's plan to increase troops, but I don't agree with pulling out either. Middle ground has to be sought, train the Iraqi Army and police so they can be self-sufficient and pull out.

Idealistically, it would be great to pull out. Realistically, it could turn not only Iraq, but the whole middle east into a bigger bloodbath. America has to bathe in the shit they touched.

[PatrickHenry]

How isn't the military conflict in Iraq in US's interests?
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The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

[Fengzi]

The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it. The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

[Psycho4Bud]

The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

Try Syria.......there's only 2 sources about this info and as usual I'll go against independent thought and supply the links.:rolleyes:

Saddams General confirmed the move:
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/26514)

A Syrian journalist.......I'm sure he's not the caliber of Prisonplanet but will have to do:
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD in Syria (http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it.

A voice of reason rises from the dust........THANK YOU!:D

The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

Sadrs group wants a government set up like Iran.
The Bathists want the good ol' days of Sunni's first fuck the Kurds and Shiites.
Al-Quada just wants a place to call home.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[thcbongman]

Soldiers made the decision to join the military, and it's their duty to serve, no matter how bad the quagmire. In a perfect world, we would have no military conflict, and everyone would share resources. Now back to reality. Every country is vying for resources. Since you come across as the college-educated, every war you studied involved the posturing for strategic resources. Every war had a propagated reason to go in, ideology is used to garner support. Rarely is it the legitmate reason for conflict. It's to protect interests, which is land, resources, and capital. Is it wrong to use conflict to allocate resources for it's citizens? Morally, yes. If you look it from a macro-view, our economy is partly based on posturizing, and exploitating resources. The land you live in is prosperous thanks partly to the government protecting our interests.

As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

America was sold on the concept that Iraq was an imminent threat because of the potential threat of WMDs. They used a lot of hyperbole in terms of their evidence, but was it all a lie? No.

The American public was still rattled by 9/11 and believed all the propaganda passed around. At the time, I didn't think it was worth it to even go into Afghanstan, let alone Iraq. Bush's steered the ship in a new direction, and would be irresponsible to not clean up the mess he created.

[Psycho4Bud]

As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

How could the inspections finish when Saddam didn't allow inspectors into different areas.....isn't this how the 17 U.N. resolutions were broken leading to the war?

LOL....how many countries bury it's nuclear plans under a rose bush?
CNN.com - Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard - Jun. 26, 2003 (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

Soldiers made the decision to join the military, and it's their duty to serve, no matter how bad the quagmire. In a perfect world, we would have no military conflict, and everyone would share resources. Now back to reality. Every country is vying for resources. Since you come across as the college-educated, every war you studied involved the posturing for strategic resources. Every war had a propagated reason to go in, ideology is used to garner support. Rarely is it the legitmate reason for conflict. It's to protect interests, which is land, resources, and capital. Is it wrong to use conflict to allocate resources for it's citizens? Morally, yes. If you look it from a macro-view, our economy is partly based on posturizing, and exploitating resources. The land you live in is prosperous thanks partly to the government protecting our interests.

As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

America was sold on the concept that Iraq was an imminent threat because of the potential threat of WMDs. They used a lot of hyperbole in terms of their evidence, but was it all a lie? No.

The American public was still rattled by 9/11 and believed all the propaganda passed around. At the time, I didn't think it was worth it to even go into Afghanstan, let alone Iraq. Bush's steered the ship in a new direction, and would be irresponsible to not clean up the mess he created.

Thank you for eloquently stating your opinion. I agree with you on multiple fronts. I don't propose the immediate pull-out as a solution, but a scaled back pull-out over the course of a few years. To escalate this any further is ridiculous, and as you mentioned, immoral.

[PatrickHenry]

Try Syria.......there's only 2 sources about this info and as usual I'll go against independent thought and supply the links.:rolleyes:

Saddams General confirmed the move:
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/26514)

A Syrian journalist.......I'm sure he's not the caliber of Prisonplanet but will have to do:
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD in Syria (http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php)

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From your own article:

' And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."'

If what you say is true it would be touted by the Bush administration non-stop.

[PatrickHenry]

True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it. The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

I agree with you. I have a funny feeling about Viet Nam because I've visited the country in the past year and have witnessed personally the great strides made there. We were so afraid of losing Viet Nam to communism but it's slowly changing into a capitalist/democratic country as state run functions are privatized. As cliche as it is, future battles are for "hearts and minds."

[Fengzi]

I agree with you. I have a funny feeling about Viet Nam because I've visited the country in the past year and have witnessed personally the great strides made there. We were so afraid of losing Viet Nam to communism but it's slowly changing into a capitalist/democratic country as state run functions are privatized. As cliche as it is, future battles are for "hearts and minds."

This is so true. The thing about Vietnam, and what pretty much guaranteed our defeat, is that a huge portion of "the enemy" wasn't fighting for communism, they were simply fighting against yet another foreign power trying to screw with them.

I can't help but wonder how much of the same thing is happening in Iraq. What does Bush expect? That the "enemy", whoever that is, will simply wave a white flag and give up? No likely. The longer we keep fucking the place up, the longer they'll keep fighting and the more people will go over to their side.

What we need now is not more troops but more dialogue. P4B says that "Sadrs group wants a government set up like Iran. The Bathists want the good ol' days of Sunni's first fuck the Kurds and Shiites. Al-Quada just wants a place to call home." Well, maybe so, but is that what it will take to have peace and stabilize the country? Has anyone in our government extended an olive branch and said "hey guys, what's it gonna take?" . No, our fucking cowboy of a leader is to obsessed with killing the bad guys? Bush doesn't have a clue and is just grasping at straws as the situation increasingly slips through his fingers. It's no wonder that the democrats, and an increasinly large amount of his own party, don't have any confidence in his "plan".

[Psycho4Bud]

LMAO! Lets extend an olive branch to GS-13, the Bloods, and the Crypts. I'm SURE that they just want to be productive members of society.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

If what you say is true it would be touted by the Bush administration non-stop.

And what good would it do to state this? I've seen that nuclear scientist and the general on TV in the past but hey, when they spoke a car bomb wasn't going off so thats not considered big news.

Oh hell no! This is just a ploy to invade Syria now! LOL.....I could imagine the stink that something like this would cause.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Fengzi]

LMAO! Lets extend an olive branch to GS-13, the Bloods, and the Crypts. I'm SURE that they just want to be productive members of society.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

And it's attitudes like this that will ensure that many more young American's will die before someone comes to their senses. Now go and git dem badguys cowboy!!

[Psycho4Bud]

And it's attitudes like this that will ensure that many more young American's will die before someone comes to their senses. Now go and git dem badguys cowboy!!

YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWWWWW........roundin' up the POSSE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StCxOPKt7Hc) pilgrum!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[PatrickHenry]

And what good would it do to state this? I've seen that nuclear scientist and the general on TV in the past but hey, when they spoke a car bomb wasn't going off so thats not considered big news.

Oh hell no! This is just a ploy to invade Syria now! LOL.....I could imagine the stink that something like this would cause.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:


So now you believe in conspiracy theories... hmm.

[Fengzi]

YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWWWWW........roundin' up the POSSE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StCxOPKt7Hc) pilgrum!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

That ain't a posse Psycho, that's a bunch of guys who just want to come home. Sorry, but I'm afraid it's gonna get harder and hader to find anyone who willingly wants to saddle up with ya. But..hey...whats this? I think I just might have found someone

[Psycho4Bud]

That ain't a posse Psycho, that's a bunch of guys who just want to come home. Sorry, but I'm afraid it's gonna get harder and hader to find anyone who willingly wants to saddle up with ya. But..hey...whats this? I think I just might have found someone


LMAO! Nice pic! Like the Emerson, Lake and Palmer too.:D

I really think at this point if them troops were told that we were pulling out there would be some pissed off soldiers. Going this far then running.....just against their nature.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[medicinal]

I really think at this point if them troops were told that we were pulling out there would be some pissed off soldiers. Going this far then running.....just against their nature Noooooooooo, my friend, having been a soldier in harms way, I can definently say that outside of the psyco killers, (there are always a few), to a man every one of those soldiers wants to get the fuck out of harms way. Are you nutz, want to stay in a killing zone, not likely. Maybe your ilk (you must be one of the psycho killers I mentioned). I'll repeat this so maybe you can get it this time. If you are so gung ho about killing "terrorists", suit up. They are looking for a few good men! You don't have to join the military as they are using mercinaries, just go down and sign up. The pay is excellent and you get to kill bad guys, what more could you ask for. You could replace one of those unfortunate young men destined to die for Bushs' lies. YeeeHaaaw, go get some!