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Bong30
01-23-2007, 03:32 AM
Pelosi's crew and Osama bin Laden share common goal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/21/INGO7NKH9T1.DTL&hw=hoover+institute&sn=002&sc=931)
Dinesh D'Souza

Sunday, January 21, 2007




The Pelosi Democrats sometimes appear to be just as eager as Osama bin Laden for President Bush to lose his war on terror. Why do I say this? Because if the Pelosi Democrats were seeking Bush's success, then their rhetoric and actions now and over the past three years are pretty much incomprehensible. By contrast, if you presume that they want Bush's war on terror to fail, then their words and behavior make perfect sense.

Shortly before the November election, U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi spoke about the American effort to capture or kill bin Laden. "Even if he is caught tomorrow, it's five years too late," she said. "He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But in fact, the damage that he has done is done. And even to capture him now I don't think makes us any safer."

From the point of view of new House Speaker Pelosi and her fellow liberal Democrats, bin Laden today is, well, a small problem.

Listen to Pelosi and her colleagues on the left speaking about Bush, however, and it's clear they regard him as a very big problem.

Sen. Robert Byrd compares Bush to Hermann Goering and the Nazis. Hillary Clinton accuses him of "turning back the clock on the 20th century ... systematically weakening the democratic tradition. ... There has never been an administration more intent upon consolidating and abusing power." Sen. Ted Kennedy charges that "no president in America's history has done more damage to our country than George W. Bush."

What emerges from these comments is the indignation gap -- the vastly different level of emotion that leftists and liberals employ in treating bin Laden and his allies as opposed to Bush and his allies. First there is the ritual qualification. "I'm no fan of bin Laden" or "Bin Laden is not a very nice guy." Having gotten these hedges out of the way, the leftist proceeds to lambaste Bush and the conservatives with uncontrolled ferocity.

Something very strange is going on here, and nobody seems willing to call it what it is. Pelosi is championing a congressional resolution strongly opposing Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq. "There's not a carte blanche, a blank check for him to do whatever he wishes there," she said. A Bush spokesman, Alex Conant, welcomed Pelosi's participation in the debate and said, "We're glad the speaker wants us to succeed in Iraq."

This is typical Washington doubletalk. What Conant cannot say is that Pelosi no more wants Bush to succeed in Iraq than bin Laden does. Whether it realizes this or not, the Bush administration is facing a kind of liberal-Islamic alliance: a sympathetic relationship that leading leftists in America have with Islamic radicals around the world.

I'm not suggesting the two groups actually like each other. Actually, they despise each other. Leftists like Pelosi, Barney Frank and Michael Moore despise bin Laden and his fellow radicals because they are religious fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic holy law. That means goodbye to women's rights and gay rights and, in all candor, goodbye to people like Pelosi, Frank and Moore. By the same token, Islamic radicals like bin Laden detest the American left because, as they see it, the left is the party of atheism, family breakdown and cultural depravity. The left is in the vanguard of imposing secularism, no-fault divorce, gay marriage and libertine social values not only in America but also abroad.

But the man who threatens the Islamic radicals and the American left even more than either group threatens the other is Bush. Leftists don't like radical Muslims like bin Laden but they absolutely hate Bush. Why? Because from the left's point of view, bin Laden threatens to impose sharia in Baghdad but Bush threatens to impose sharia in Boston. Bin Laden is the far enemy but Bush is the near enemy.
In the past generation, the left has gone from a party that mainly cares about working people to a party that mainly cares about sex. Labor unions are now a low priority, and abortion and gay rights have become the centerpiece of the left's social agenda. Bin Laden doesn't threaten these rights, but Bush does. One more Supreme Court appointment by Bush, and Roe vs. Wade might be jeopardized. The biggest obstacle to gay marriage today is the president and his allies on the religious right.

Consequently the left seems to have developed a devious strategy to share the aims of the enemy abroad in order to defeat the enemy at home. It started in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Leading leftists like Kurt Vonnegut, Toni Morrison, Barbara Ehrenreich, Katha Pollit, Jane Fonda, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone and others took out full-page newspaper ads to galvanize public opposition to Bush's planned invasion of Afghanistan. The left organized more than 100 rallies to stop this action. If the left had been successful, the Taliban would still be in power and the al Qaeda training camps might still be in operation.

The left could not stop Bush in Afghanistan, but it is on the verge of stopping him in Iraq. Now that Iraq has become the central front in the war on terror, the left is working overtime to engineer a Saigon-style evacuation of the American military. The left's view was passionately stated some time ago by Moore. "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'terrorists' or the 'enemy.' They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win." It's pretty obvious whose side Moore and his fellow leftists are on.
Of course as an elected official, Pelosi can't admit she wants America to lose in Iraq, but what she can do is erect obstacles at every juncture so that it's impossible for Bush to succeed there. First, try to block the request for more troops. Then, try to block the call for needed additional funds. Then, when the time is right, push to redeploy American troops away from the fighting and to places in the Middle East, where they are powerless to stop the insurgency from toppling the elected Iraqi government.

Who knows what will happen next? It seems likely that Islamic radicals of one sort or another will assume power in Iraq. But an even safer bet, if Pelosi succeeds, is that Bush's Middle East policy will fall into ruins, he will go down in history as a president as bad as Nixon, and conservative foreign policy will be disgraced for a generation.

Since foreign policy has traditionally been a political strength for the Republicans, what could be better from the left's point of view than to turn the war on terror into a millstone around the neck of the right? Yes, we may lose Iraq to the Islamic radicals and this would further jeopardize American interests in the Middle East, but all of this would be a price worth paying for inflicting a cataclysmic political defeat on Bush and the right wing. Hillary could walk into the Oval Office in '08.

Bin Laden, it seems, is ready to do his part to work with the American left. Some may think him reluctant to cooperate with "infidels," but we know from al Qaeda's collaboration with Baathist insurgents in Iraq that bin Laden is quite willing to ally with one type of infidel in order to expel from the region the greater infidel, America. Bin Laden terms the alliance between Islamic fundamentalists and secular Baathists a "convergence of interests."

One indication that he seeks a similar alliance with the American left is that bin Laden, who used to attack all Americans as evil, has in recent videotapes dramatically changed his tune. He now openly praises American leftists like Robert Fisk and William Blum and calls for a "truce" in which states that oppose Bush are exempt from future terrorist attacks. What bin Laden seems to be saying to the American left is pretty clear: I and my radical Muslim friends will supply the terror, and you use the casualty lists to demoralize the American people and convince them to get the United States out of Iraq and the Middle East. In this way, bin Laden and his American allies can achieve their shared goal of defeating Bush's war on terror. Another "convergence of interests."

So Bush faces two kinds of enemies: the radical Muslims abroad and the Pelosi left at home. The two groups, whose values are sharply opposed and who never speak a word to each other, are nevertheless working in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but toward the same end. Bush may discover that his enemy at home is no less dangerous than the enemy abroad. The war on terror might be lost not on the streets of Baghdad but in the corridors of Congress.

daima
01-23-2007, 03:41 PM
Pelosi's crew and Osama bin Laden share common goal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/21/INGO7NKH9T1.DTL&hw=hoover+institute&sn=002&sc=931)
Dinesh D'Souza

Sunday, January 21, 2007




The Pelosi Democrats sometimes appear to be just as eager as Osama bin Laden for President Bush to lose his war on terror. Why do I say this? Because if the Pelosi Democrats were seeking Bush's success, then their rhetoric and actions now and over the past three years are pretty much incomprehensible. By contrast, if you presume that they want Bush's war on terror to fail, then their words and behavior make perfect sense.

Shortly before the November election, U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi spoke about the American effort to capture or kill bin Laden. "Even if he is caught tomorrow, it's five years too late," she said. "He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But in fact, the damage that he has done is done. And even to capture him now I don't think makes us any safer."

From the point of view of new House Speaker Pelosi and her fellow liberal Democrats, bin Laden today is, well, a small problem.

Listen to Pelosi and her colleagues on the left speaking about Bush, however, and it's clear they regard him as a very big problem.

Sen. Robert Byrd compares Bush to Hermann Goering and the Nazis. Hillary Clinton accuses him of "turning back the clock on the 20th century ... systematically weakening the democratic tradition. ... There has never been an administration more intent upon consolidating and abusing power." Sen. Ted Kennedy charges that "no president in America's history has done more damage to our country than George W. Bush."

What emerges from these comments is the indignation gap -- the vastly different level of emotion that leftists and liberals employ in treating bin Laden and his allies as opposed to Bush and his allies. First there is the ritual qualification. "I'm no fan of bin Laden" or "Bin Laden is not a very nice guy." Having gotten these hedges out of the way, the leftist proceeds to lambaste Bush and the conservatives with uncontrolled ferocity.

Something very strange is going on here, and nobody seems willing to call it what it is. Pelosi is championing a congressional resolution strongly opposing Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq. "There's not a carte blanche, a blank check for him to do whatever he wishes there," she said. A Bush spokesman, Alex Conant, welcomed Pelosi's participation in the debate and said, "We're glad the speaker wants us to succeed in Iraq."

This is typical Washington doubletalk. What Conant cannot say is that Pelosi no more wants Bush to succeed in Iraq than bin Laden does. Whether it realizes this or not, the Bush administration is facing a kind of liberal-Islamic alliance: a sympathetic relationship that leading leftists in America have with Islamic radicals around the world.

I'm not suggesting the two groups actually like each other. Actually, they despise each other. Leftists like Pelosi, Barney Frank and Michael Moore despise bin Laden and his fellow radicals because they are religious fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic holy law. That means goodbye to women's rights and gay rights and, in all candor, goodbye to people like Pelosi, Frank and Moore. By the same token, Islamic radicals like bin Laden detest the American left because, as they see it, the left is the party of atheism, family breakdown and cultural depravity. The left is in the vanguard of imposing secularism, no-fault divorce, gay marriage and libertine social values not only in America but also abroad.

But the man who threatens the Islamic radicals and the American left even more than either group threatens the other is Bush. Leftists don't like radical Muslims like bin Laden but they absolutely hate Bush. Why? Because from the left's point of view, bin Laden threatens to impose sharia in Baghdad but Bush threatens to impose sharia in Boston. Bin Laden is the far enemy but Bush is the near enemy.
In the past generation, the left has gone from a party that mainly cares about working people to a party that mainly cares about sex. Labor unions are now a low priority, and abortion and gay rights have become the centerpiece of the left's social agenda. Bin Laden doesn't threaten these rights, but Bush does. One more Supreme Court appointment by Bush, and Roe vs. Wade might be jeopardized. The biggest obstacle to gay marriage today is the president and his allies on the religious right.

Consequently the left seems to have developed a devious strategy to share the aims of the enemy abroad in order to defeat the enemy at home. It started in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Leading leftists like Kurt Vonnegut, Toni Morrison, Barbara Ehrenreich, Katha Pollit, Jane Fonda, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone and others took out full-page newspaper ads to galvanize public opposition to Bush's planned invasion of Afghanistan. The left organized more than 100 rallies to stop this action. If the left had been successful, the Taliban would still be in power and the al Qaeda training camps might still be in operation.

The left could not stop Bush in Afghanistan, but it is on the verge of stopping him in Iraq. Now that Iraq has become the central front in the war on terror, the left is working overtime to engineer a Saigon-style evacuation of the American military. The left's view was passionately stated some time ago by Moore. "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'terrorists' or the 'enemy.' They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win." It's pretty obvious whose side Moore and his fellow leftists are on.
Of course as an elected official, Pelosi can't admit she wants America to lose in Iraq, but what she can do is erect obstacles at every juncture so that it's impossible for Bush to succeed there. First, try to block the request for more troops. Then, try to block the call for needed additional funds. Then, when the time is right, push to redeploy American troops away from the fighting and to places in the Middle East, where they are powerless to stop the insurgency from toppling the elected Iraqi government.

Who knows what will happen next? It seems likely that Islamic radicals of one sort or another will assume power in Iraq. But an even safer bet, if Pelosi succeeds, is that Bush's Middle East policy will fall into ruins, he will go down in history as a president as bad as Nixon, and conservative foreign policy will be disgraced for a generation.

Since foreign policy has traditionally been a political strength for the Republicans, what could be better from the left's point of view than to turn the war on terror into a millstone around the neck of the right? Yes, we may lose Iraq to the Islamic radicals and this would further jeopardize American interests in the Middle East, but all of this would be a price worth paying for inflicting a cataclysmic political defeat on Bush and the right wing. Hillary could walk into the Oval Office in '08.

Bin Laden, it seems, is ready to do his part to work with the American left. Some may think him reluctant to cooperate with "infidels," but we know from al Qaeda's collaboration with Baathist insurgents in Iraq that bin Laden is quite willing to ally with one type of infidel in order to expel from the region the greater infidel, America. Bin Laden terms the alliance between Islamic fundamentalists and secular Baathists a "convergence of interests."

One indication that he seeks a similar alliance with the American left is that bin Laden, who used to attack all Americans as evil, has in recent videotapes dramatically changed his tune. He now openly praises American leftists like Robert Fisk and William Blum and calls for a "truce" in which states that oppose Bush are exempt from future terrorist attacks. What bin Laden seems to be saying to the American left is pretty clear: I and my radical Muslim friends will supply the terror, and you use the casualty lists to demoralize the American people and convince them to get the United States out of Iraq and the Middle East. In this way, bin Laden and his American allies can achieve their shared goal of defeating Bush's war on terror. Another "convergence of interests."

So Bush faces two kinds of enemies: the radical Muslims abroad and the Pelosi left at home. The two groups, whose values are sharply opposed and who never speak a word to each other, are nevertheless working in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but toward the same end. Bush may discover that his enemy at home is no less dangerous than the enemy abroad. The war on terror might be lost not on the streets of Baghdad but in the corridors of Congress.

you and p4b have much in common. One of them being that you like to cut and paste the remarks and ideas of others.

Its the bush family that has friendship ties with the bin laden family, not pelosi. MMMmmmmm no wonder we havent found osama. He;s probably having lunch in crawford with bush the lesser.

dai*ma:stoned:
life is hard
but life is hardest
when you;re dumb
you wait for years but
inspiration never comes
with a negative iq you'll
be lonesome sad and blue
life is hard
but life is hardest when
you're dumb;)

Psycho4Bud
01-23-2007, 08:10 PM
you and p4b have much in common. One of them being that you like to cut and paste the remarks and ideas of others.

You mean we show links? Not quite smug enough for ya huh......SO SORRY!!!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

eg420ne
01-23-2007, 10:52 PM
These people love comparing the democraps to terrorist, when its really the neocons thats enables the terrorist

pisshead
01-23-2007, 10:59 PM
i know...as if just one 'party' is bad...just the ones who put a D next to their name...

when if you look at the conservative index, most conservatives in congress are damn near communists...

ron paul's about the only conservative left...

eg420ne
01-23-2007, 11:16 PM
pretty much all them are crooked

Ron has my vote but dont think he will get the air time like the rest, you know like 911rudy911...

Oh F Yeah
01-23-2007, 11:48 PM
As I can tell many of you see quite clearly...It's the folks that "cut and paste the remarks and ideas of others" that also appear to believe everything the "others" say! This pisses me off more than anything I can think of (at the moment). If you watch Fox News and Fox News only then I can understand why you are of the belief that anyone that has an opinion of their own is a terrorist, non-american, or retarded. The more I sit back and listen to people like you, the more I am convinced that you (and your ilk) have some inability to form your own thoughts based on facts and research.

Well...get a clue...the last election should tell you that WE ARE NO LONGER GONNA SIT BACK AND LISTEN. You guts have had your turn and (once again) fucked it all up!

Bong30
01-24-2007, 12:16 AM
We fucked up the economy......

I am Bad when I post articles, but if Pissy (whom is a dumb lib) post articles he is the second coming.....

Please.....

Oh F Yeah
01-24-2007, 12:53 AM
I prefer to view Pisshead's posts as a symptom of what is really going on in this country which is this:(A lot of) people are sick and tired of the mindless policies of the "fat cat" politicians that only have the interest of Big Business and (whomever else cares to line thier pockets) in mind rather than the rank-and-file, middle class, hard working individuals that have nothing left at the end of the month becuase of taxes, health care costs, and energy prices.

History tells us that when the "Rich and Powerful" ignore the opinions and well being of the lower classes, the lower classes revolt. Lets hope the revolt has begun because I, for one, have had enough.

Psycho4Bud
01-24-2007, 12:57 AM
I prefer to view Pisshead's posts as a symptom of what is really going on in this country

LMAO! Credibility="0" Keep on listening to some pimple faced punk trying to play journalist on his free time and call it news. GOOD FOR YOU!:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Fengzi
01-24-2007, 01:07 AM
I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

George "Dubya" Bush has done more for terrorist recruitment than anything Osama Bin Laden ever did. Bush doesn't give a crap about winning the war on terror. All he cares about is oil, his ego, and how he goes down in the history books.

Oh F Yeah
01-24-2007, 01:23 AM
Psycho....what I said was "I view his posts as a symptom of what is really going on in this country" which is that people are sick and tired of the quid-pro-quo........ I choose to decide things for myself which I thought I made clear. Maybe I was giving you too much credit when I included you in my thinking when I made the comment "I can tell many of you see quite clearly" in my first post on this subject. LMAO!

Oh F Yeah
01-24-2007, 01:26 AM
I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

George "Dubya" Bush has done more for terrorist recruitment than anything Osama Bin Laden ever did. Bush doesn't give a crap about winning the war on terror. All he cares about is oil, his ego, and how he goes down in the history books.

Exactly. But it's those of his ilk also. Cheny, Rove, and any others that blindly follow lock-step.

BTW...Obama is the best politician the REPUBLICANS have. I am seriously wondering if he might just be the Antichrist. LOL

birdgirl73
01-24-2007, 01:37 AM
We fucked up the economy......

I am Bad when I post articles, but if Pissy (whom is a dumb lib) post articles he is the second coming.....

Please.....
Pisshead's not dumb at all. He simply disagrees with your viewpoint and you with his. So you call him dumb. There's a big difference. My impression has been that Pisshead does a lot of reading and thinking about these things. I often don't agree with him either, but I can tell he's far from dumb. And I think differing opinions merit respect and consideration even when they vary from our own.

I wouldn't characterize Pisshead as a lib, either, at least if you mean liberal. I think Pisshead's more of a libertarian. Maybe that's what you meant by "lib."

medicinal
01-24-2007, 01:43 AM
"I'll not hear of it, hear what? anything! I'm deaf, blind, and my mind is made of concrete" (G.W. Bush, Dubya, or Shrub.) "Maybe if Barney tells me to leave Iraq, I'll consider it"!

daima
01-25-2007, 01:49 PM
You mean we show links? Not quite smug enough for ya huh......SO SORRY!!!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

an idea of your own would be nice.
links are a dime a dozen, developing an idea of your own is something i might respect. dont apoligise to me, apoligise to your former wives.

dai*ma:stoned:

daima
01-25-2007, 01:52 PM
LMAO! Credibility="0" Keep on listening to some pimple faced punk trying to play journalist on his free time and call it news. GOOD FOR YOU!:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

your chances of ever getting a 3rd wife will realy suffer is women in the world start reading this website.

dai*ma:D

Torog
01-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I think that Dinesh hit the nail on the head :) Bam ! :D

Also,copying and pasting,articles,is a good start to debating what's happening now,who amoungst you,are qualified and capable,of putting yer opinions down in a coherent,grammatically-correct piece ? What are yer qualifications to do so ? Will you have direct experience to relate ? Years of study,on the subject at hand ? Why would I ever prefer a rant by a punk teenager,rife with profanity and spelling errors,based on what a God-less,liberal teacher might have indoctrinated them to say ?

Starting with an article,and replying with our opinions,is best,rather than depending on something written free-hand.

Have a good one ...

Psycho4Bud
01-25-2007, 02:18 PM
an idea of your own would be nice.
links are a dime a dozen, developing an idea of your own is something i might respect. dont apoligise to me, apoligise to your former wives.

dai*ma:stoned:

Appologize to my former wives? LOL.........you would have loved them, they were bitches too!:D

By the way, links back up what people are saying........I can understand it's hard to find a link to back up bull shit. Try prisonplanet...;)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Psycho4Bud
01-25-2007, 02:20 PM
your chances of ever getting a 3rd wife will realy suffer is women in the world start reading this website.

dai*ma:D

Come on now daima.......a lil' ol' daisy from San Fran should be able to do better than this.

Have a good one!:jointsmile: