3some tonight

[smokin dope]

so ive had my share of tag teamin and runnin trains, but ive never had 2 girls fuck me before but i got 2 girls on there way over. one ive fucked but in a car and i hate that and her friend, her friend might not be down, but might, so i belive ill be gettin tagged tonight :rastasmoke:

[slipknotpsycho]

ok then........?

[Bodom Children Of]

Let's start talking about it after it happens, ok? :mad:

[darkside]

so ive had my share of tag teamin and runnin trains, but ive never had 2 girls fuck me before but i got 2 girls on there way over. one ive fucked but in a car and i hate that and her friend, her friend might not be down, but might, so i belive ill be gettin tagged tonight :rastasmoke:

arent you like 14? tag teaming and running trains? i call bullshit unless your talking about some smacked out hooker in tijuana.

[JunkYard]

Nah, there's plenty of crack whores running around that would jump up on a little fella for some cash. He prob looks older than 14 anyway.

[2600HERTZ]

IDk guys, maybe he has someone witha truck bringin him some animals or something.

[benagain]

14? you for real? Good lord, when I was that age, I was happy just to be rounding bases. Hope you're double-bagging :D

[Skrappie]

a warm night is the best time to skateboard.

[slipknotpsycho]

so you're saying use the pussy like a half pipe? :confused:

[JunkYard]

On a side note smokin dope.. ..if you're for real, more power to ya! I didn't even round 2nd base til I was 15. :eek:

Go for it, man! Be safe tho.. ..

[ValkyrieAg]

One time my buddy kyle was drunk and was nailing this girl in the kitchen.

We said "Pick her leg up, Kyle!"

She hit the floor pretty hard, it was hilarious.

[JunkYard]

One time my buddy kyle was drunk and was nailing this girl in the kitchen.

We said "Pick her leg up, Kyle!"

She hit the floor pretty hard, it was hilarious.


lmao!

Too funny! :D

[birdgirl73]

Some of you guys, I suspect, are full of baloney. But you're also showing how low a level you'll sink to to nail girls if the only ones you can do are so drunk that they're not aware of what they're doing. These stories, by the way, aren't "hilarious," Junkyard and Valkyrie. They're actually quite sad.

Smokin Dope, I've said this to you before on the subject of train-running, which you continue to brag about like it's an accomplishment. Any girl who's letting a bunch of guys do that has something very wrong with her. Girls aren't built to do that, emotionally or physically. Women who let guys run the train are likely either drunk or have been damaged by previous horrible things that cause them not to have any self-esteem or ability to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy intimacy. There are guys who can justify it in their minds, obviously, and I'm sure there may be women who behave as if they're having great fun at that activity. Talk to someone at your nearest university's rape crisis center and find out what that sort of sexual activity means on an emotional level to the women who participate in it. It's not good.

As far as twosomes or tag-teams are concerned, at least where you're involved, Smokin D, I've never read anything you've written that indicates you're interested in ladies for any other reason than sex or what you can get over on them for. I strongly suspect, assuming you're not totally making this story up, that you somehow hook up with ladies who have the lowest possible self-esteem and standards. Someday I hope for their sakes that you'll grow up and develop character, a heart, and decency. Until you do, I hope very much that everyone's using lots of protection against venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

[JunkYard]

If ya can't poke fun at drunken mishaps then what are we to make fun of? I laughed my ass off when I read Valkyrie's little story. It created quite a visual, lol! I could even hear the THUD, haha! :D

Sorry if my sense of humor offends you, tho. Can't really help what I find amusing./shrug

[birdgirl73]

It's not drunken mishaps that trouble me, Junkyard. It's the underlying attitudes toward ladies that are unsettling. I'm all for laughing at drunken mishaps. Just perhaps not when they're at someone else's sexual expense. Especially someone who's so drunk she probably doesn't even know what--or who--she's doing. I worry about the girls who let themselves get into these situations, and I know they're everywhere. But still, I know they're not healthy situations for the ladies to be in.

[ValkyrieAg]

Don't get me wrong, I *Value* so very much an intelligent girl. These are just college girls having fun. If you can fuck em right out of the box, then they aren't the type to take home to momma. I/we just help them bring out their inner animal.

Since its quite a funny story, and my buddy Junkyard likes it, I'll tell a little more of the story.

Shes from a place called 'mound' or 'mount', Texas. But she has such a thick hick accident when you ask her where she is from, she says something that sounds like "Milms" So thats what we call her. Shes a freak dude. We used to get her to do some freaky shit. She rides horses alot too, i wouldn't be surprised if she had 'somethin' going on with a stud or 2.

We had a party at my buddys ranch and I nailed it in my truck. She got to flailing around and broke my fuckin 100.00 tachometer. I had that bitch pay for it! haha.

[MastaChronic]

ok, im just going to try and spell out what kind of mentalities birdgirl is "disappointed" by
the WOMAN ARE ONLY GOOD FOR GIVING HEAD AND FUCKING kind of attitude is what i think she doesnt like....just my thoughts on this
although....i dont have a soul, a heart or any other "thing" of the sort, so....

[JunkYard]

It's not drunken mishaps that trouble me, Junkyard. It's the underlying attitudes toward ladies that are unsettling. I'm all for laughing at drunken mishaps. Just perhaps not when they're at someone else's sexual expense. Especially someone who's so drunk she probably doesn't even know what--or who--she's doing. I worry about the girls who let themselves get into these situations, and I know they're everywhere. But still, I know they're not healthy situations for the ladies to be in.

I completey understand this pov, birdgirl, and I find it sad as well. But valkyrie never gave details about the girls condition, only kyles which isn't as bad, imo. Guys do stupid, funny drunken sh!t all the time, and I was laughing at him.. ..not the girl who I was told nothing about, cool?

On a side note, I don't agree with extensive alcohol use. I was a drunk early in life, and I know how dangerous alcohol can be. In moderation, it's fine but unfortunately I can't drink in moderation, so I've been staying away from it lately. Just so you know.. ..


Junk~

[2600HERTZ]

Some of you guys, I suspect, are full of baloney. But you're also showing how low a level you'll sink to to nail girls if the only ones you can do are so drunk that they're not aware of what they're doing. These stories, by the way, aren't "hilarious," Junkyard and Valkyrie. They're actually quite sad.

Smokin Dope, I've said this to you before on the subject of train-running, which you continue to brag about like it's an accomplishment. Any girl who's letting a bunch of guys do that has something very wrong with her. Girls aren't built to do that, emotionally or physically. Women who let guys run the train are likely either drunk or have been damaged by previous horrible things that cause them not to have any self-esteem or ability to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy intimacy. There are guys who can justify it in their minds, obviously, and I'm sure there may be women who behave as if they're having great fun at that activity. Talk to someone at your nearest university's rape crisis center and find out what that sort of sexual activity means on an emotional level to the women who participate in it. It's not good.

As far as twosomes or tag-teams are concerned, at least where you're involved, Smokin D, I've never read anything you've written that indicates you're interested in ladies for any other reason than sex or what you can get over on them for. I strongly suspect, assuming you're not totally making this story up, that you somehow hook up with ladies who have the lowest possible self-esteem and standards. Someday I hope for their sakes that you'll grow up and develop character, a heart, and decency. Until you do, I hope very much that everyone's using lots of protection against venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies.


I am a guy, and you totally touched me with that( i mean i have a hard on...J./K, but froma guys perspective there are still some guys hwo are confident and extremely thoughtful and not out only for sex.. we are harder to find however.

[ValkyrieAg]

But valkyrie never gave details about the girls condition, only kyles which isn't as bad, imo.

It really wasn't bad. She even broke his fall.:D

[Hagbard Celiene]

nerds make better boyfriends...
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[OniEhtRedrum781]

He never wrote back, and if that happened to me, I'd better running to type up the amazing story, so my guess is it didn't happen...

[birdgirl73]

Well, he originally posted this story in the main Lounge, and I moved it to Sexuality once I happened upon it. By now, the "moved" notation has long since disappeared. So he may not know where it is. Still, if he's bright enough to do a search of his own threads, he can find it.

Several of these subsequent responses give me hope, guys. Glad not all of you are out to nail wasted girls. And I think Hagbard Celiene's links made an excellent point about what sorts of guys to look for. It's true, 2600Hertz, the thoughtful guys are more difficult to find, especially during the college partying days.

[the yeag]

i bet the two girls pulled out a strap on and ran the train on him

[nikweiser]

lmao! classic

[Bob the Awesome]

Some of you guys, I suspect, are full of baloney. But you're also showing how low a level you'll sink to to nail girls if the only ones you can do are so drunk that they're not aware of what they're doing. These stories, by the way, aren't "hilarious," Junkyard and Valkyrie. They're actually quite sad.

Smokin Dope, I've said this to you before on the subject of train-running, which you continue to brag about like it's an accomplishment. Any girl who's letting a bunch of guys do that has something very wrong with her. Girls aren't built to do that, emotionally or physically. Women who let guys run the train are likely either drunk or have been damaged by previous horrible things that cause them not to have any self-esteem or ability to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy intimacy. There are guys who can justify it in their minds, obviously, and I'm sure there may be women who behave as if they're having great fun at that activity. Talk to someone at your nearest university's rape crisis center and find out what that sort of sexual activity means on an emotional level to the women who participate in it. It's not good.

As far as twosomes or tag-teams are concerned, at least where you're involved, Smokin D, I've never read anything you've written that indicates you're interested in ladies for any other reason than sex or what you can get over on them for. I strongly suspect, assuming you're not totally making this story up, that you somehow hook up with ladies who have the lowest possible self-esteem and standards. Someday I hope for their sakes that you'll grow up and develop character, a heart, and decency. Until you do, I hope very much that everyone's using lots of protection against venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

Oh God thank you

[darkside]

It's not drunken mishaps that trouble me, Junkyard. It's the underlying attitudes toward ladies that are unsettling. I'm all for laughing at drunken mishaps. Just perhaps not when they're at someone else's sexual expense. Especially someone who's so drunk she probably doesn't even know what--or who--she's doing. I worry about the girls who let themselves get into these situations, and I know they're everywhere. But still, I know they're not healthy situations for the ladies to be in.

while i agree that there are some bad guys out there who take advantage of women, i dont agree with your point of view bg. i dont see anything wrong with crazy or drunken sex as long as it is consentual and mutually pleasurable for both parties. i sense puritanical overtones in many of your arguments on this subject. it seems to me that you think that any girl who enjoys wild or unusual sex is somehow "psychologically damaged" or depraved. some women might call that sexism. who says women cant enjoy a good fuck just like men? and since when is sexual humor off limits? if you are wasted going at it and fall and bust your face, thats pretty funny whether you are a man or woman. i wont hold your puritanical views against you though, bg.:rastasmoke:

[birdgirl73]

If you sense puritanical atitudes, Darkside, then you're reading those into what I'm saying. I'm very open-minded when it comes to sex, and I fully believe adults should be allowed to do what they want and that women can and should enjoy sex under any and all circumstances that are enjoyable. What I will forever maintain is that when a girl is too drunk to know what she's doing, she's not really having consensual sex. You may not yet be mature enough to understand where this is coming from, but if you'll do some reading and research--and some talking to women on college campuses--you'll see I know what I'm talking about and am not being judgemental here. I've done a good many years of volunteer counseling at a women's crisis center and have also now taken enough psychopathology classes to know that that girls who're running trains with multiple partners aren't operating from a healthy, whole place. They're basically enduring a form of abuse, even if they don't realize it. And women who're so wasted that they end up having sex with just one unknown guy they wouldn't choose to have sex with under normal, sober circumstances are also enduring an unfortunate experience, even if it's not one that constitutes a form of abuse.

If anything, any negative attitudes I have are directed at the harm that's caused by alcohol to the point that someone's so out of her mind she doesn't really know what--or who--she's doing. There's no intimacy there, and while I know emotional intimacy often doesn't come into play for young folks, it's very important to the bigger lifelong sexual picture. And it's very, very important for young women to be conscious and aware of the partners they're choosing so they're making those choices from a healthy, aware place and not because of dangerously low self-esteem that sets them up for being used. Believe it or not, those early sexual experiences can affect women's self-esteem and sexual enjoyment for the rest of their lives.

You need to educate yourself a bit more about this subject, Darkside. Read about the part alcohol plays in regrettable hookups, unwanted pregnancies, venereal diseases, and, often, date rapes. You'll find that I know what I'm talking about here. And don't misinterpret me again and say that I was saying anyone in the above stories was a victim of date rape. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm simply saying that young people--women especially--do themselves a great disservice when they get so wasted that they're no longer able to exercise their discretion in choosing sexual partners. And I'm saying that women who run the train with multiple partners have likely been victims in the past--and are allowing themselves to be victimized again by train-running, even if they don't yet realize that.

[smokin dope]

arent you like 14? tag teaming and running trains? i call bullshit unless your talking about some smacked out hooker in tijuana.

14? im 21. you act like tag teaming and running trains isnt common. you must not know girls who are down to fuck like we got up here in my area

[smokin dope]

i donnt understand where someone thought im 14, but none the less, it was alright, i mean its not like these 2 bitches were hunnies, but pussies pussy and you cant go wrong with 2 girls suckin your dick

[smokin dope]

Some of you guys, I suspect, are full of baloney. But you're also showing how low a level you'll sink to to nail girls if the only ones you can do are so drunk that they're not aware of what they're doing. These stories, by the way, aren't "hilarious," Junkyard and Valkyrie. They're actually quite sad.

Smokin Dope, I've said this to you before on the subject of train-running, which you continue to brag about like it's an accomplishment. Any girl who's letting a bunch of guys do that has something very wrong with her. Girls aren't built to do that, emotionally or physically. Women who let guys run the train are likely either drunk or have been damaged by previous horrible things that cause them not to have any self-esteem or ability to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy intimacy. There are guys who can justify it in their minds, obviously, and I'm sure there may be women who behave as if they're having great fun at that activity. Talk to someone at your nearest university's rape crisis center and find out what that sort of sexual activity means on an emotional level to the women who participate in it. It's not good.

As far as twosomes or tag-teams are concerned, at least where you're involved, Smokin D, I've never read anything you've written that indicates you're interested in ladies for any other reason than sex or what you can get over on them for. I strongly suspect, assuming you're not totally making this story up, that you somehow hook up with ladies who have the lowest possible self-esteem and standards. Someday I hope for their sakes that you'll grow up and develop character, a heart, and decency. Until you do, I hope very much that everyone's using lots of protection against venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

damn. i didnt think this post would attract a reply like this. i donno, im young, so i dont see any problem with banging as many girls as i can. maybe me and my friends are just different, alot of you [eople replying are actin like fuckin is the worst thing ever......

but anyways, i will grow up some day, but until then i guess ill live my life.

[smokin dope]

...and contract several sexually transmitted diseases ;)

so far, so good. but a stds are out there, and it sucks, but thats life

[birdgirl73]

Actually, what those of us who're grown up enough to see this from a slightly wider perspective are objecting to isn't the sex. It's the using that's going on. The gotta-get-ass-no-matter-what-the-cost attitude toward women. Sex is fine. Being used is what does lasting harm. Sure, the ladies may seem to put themselves in that situation willingly--and here I'm talking mostly about pairs who engage in threesomes but possibly even train-runners--but most of them may not yet even be self-aware enough to know they're behaving in a way that's not psychologically healthy for them down the road.

I find a threesome a lot less troubling than a train-running, frankly. And you've done previous bragging about train-running, Smoking D. It's fairly easy if you think about it from this perspective. Imagine yourself the father of, say, an 18-year-old girl. Or the older brother of one. Or just a good friend who likes and respects women. Now imagine how you'd feel if you learned your daugher/sister/friend had gotten wasted at a party the night before and had a group of 5 or 6 guys have sex with her, one after another, when she was too wasted to know what she was doing. Now can you see how it might be perceived as an intimate activity that's not entirely healthy for her? Back when I was teaching, I had a young student to whom this happened. She was not quite 15. Got drunk at a party. And basically got nailed by every football player who was there, too. That child was never the same after that event.

[Pipe Dreams]

Birdgirl, I respect your opinion, but you are totally wrong. ALOT (dont take the world lightly for this topic) ALOT of girls now days love the dick, and guys are more than happy to give it to them. I dont know the deal is, but its not like were making them drink and put out. They have the ability to say no just like everyone else.

[birdgirl73]

Birdgirl, I respect your opinion, but you are totally wrong. ALOT (dont take the world lightly for this topic) ALOT of girls now days love the dick, and guys are more than happy to give it to them. I dont know the deal is, but its not like were making them drink and put out. They have the ability to say no just like everyone else.
Trust me. I'm not wrong. You're just not old or smart enough yet to know that.

I know there are plenty of girls who love "the dick," as you put it. And that's perfectly fine. It's also perfectly fine for them to get drunk. Some of you guys are so clueless here that you think this is a simply a discussion about whether or not women like sex or whether or not I approve of young people making choices to have sex when and how they want to. It's much more complicated than that and, again, I'm really pointing the finger at alcohol.

The research will back me up on this, Pipe Dreams. Combining a trashed girl and a horny young man frequently ends up with a girl who later fully admits she wasn't really capable of making that decision or saying no like she would have if she'd been sober. Is that still her responsibility and her choice? Yes, it is. She's the one who got drunk and put herself into that situation. But the statistics will bear me out here. Ask any campus crisis center. Any rape crisis center. Any young women who've been in these situations. For that matter, talk to psychologists and psychiatrists who treat college-aged people or read some books about the heavy role alcohol plays in what college-aged girls later term "regrettable sexual activity." This is a huge problem on college campuses. And if you think women who're falling-down drunk are in a position to accurately judge whether or not they want to "put out," then you're either very desperate, very in denial, or very dumb and frighteningly callous. By the way "a lot" is two words, not one.

[big smoke07]

Dont feel bad smoking dope. Im with you, fuck as many chick as you want and dont let anyone make you feel bad about it. Everyone loves to put the blame on guys, but dont listen to the bullshit. Beaaaat it up.

[birdgirl73]

Another clueless one. No one's putting the blame on guys or guys who like sex. We're trying to put the blame on users. You make me very sad. And I would never want you around any girlfriends, daughters, or sisters of mine. Thankfully, most women with sense and standards woudn't give you or others like you a second look.

[smokin dope]

I dont know, I respect your opinion birdgirl, but you gotta realize how girls are these days. they do want the dick....not all girls but times are changing. i jus dont understand what the problem is i guess. i mean if a girl wants to have sex with a couple guys, or whatever, i dont see how it mighht mess them up in the future?

[smokin dope]

Dont feel bad smoking dope. Im with you, fuck as many chick as you want and dont let anyone make you feel bad about it. Everyone loves to put the blame on guys, but dont listen to the bullshit. Beaaaat it up.

hell yea brotha. thats how i feel to. i didnt know there were gonna be so much bashing to people like us though.:rastasmoke: some girls jus want tha dick :rastasmoke: :rastasmoke:

[birdgirl73]

Again, no one's bashing you. And like I said above, I really don't have much of a problem with a threesome. I totally hear you that there are girls who "want the dick." They were around 25 years ago. And they'll be here 25 years from now, too. You just might want to look real hard at whether a wasted-drunk girl who's running the train for a group of six guys is actually experiencing desire and enjoyment or just an inability to use her discretion to make a sensible, conscious choice. That's all I'm saying. Most girls who look back on such an event when they're sober confirm that they weren't experiencing the former.

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

iv never had a threesome before :( but good for you man

[dutch.lover]

I dont know, I respect your opinion birdgirl, but you gotta realize how girls are these days. they do want the dick....not all girls but times are changing. i jus dont understand what the problem is i guess. i mean if a girl wants to have sex with a couple guys, or whatever, i dont see how it mighht mess them up in the future?

Wow im pretty surprised how circular this conversation is. Obviously, no one is understanding what the hell birdgirl is trying to say. She is NOT saying there is something wrong with "girls who like the dick". She is not saying there is something wrong with girls enjoying sex. She is trying to get the point through your THICK SKULLS, that when guys use (ie take advantage of) girls it's wrong, and when guys have sex with drunken girls, that is not consensual, no matter what (check the laws, i am right).

Try READING what she has to say, and then you will all stop rebutting her, for something she isn't even arguing.

[big smoke07]

Another clueless one. No one's putting the blame on guys or guys who like sex. We're trying to put the blame on users. You make me very sad. And I would never want you around any girlfriends, daughters, or sisters of mine. Thankfully, most women with sense and standards woudn't give you or others like you a second look.

Ha, with sense and standars. I'm not one to brag but I dont really have a problem when it comes to getting girls. And i dont mess around with low standard,depressed, girls as you say.

[big smoke07]

hell yea brotha. thats how i feel to. i didnt know there were gonna be so much bashing to people like us though.:rastasmoke: some girls jus want tha dick :rastasmoke: :rastasmoke:

I'll smoke to that.

[birdgirl73]

Ha, with sense and standars. I'm not one to brag but I dont really have a problem when it comes to getting girls. And i dont mess around with low standard,depressed, girls as you say.
Actually, judging from the attitudes you've already displayed above, I think we can be fairly well assured that you probably do mess around with girls who don't exactly value themselves or maintain high standards about guys who do. You may not know that yet. Heck, you may not ever realize that. But I'd bet good money that that's one of the things that your ladies all have in common.

[blackbarbie]

Wow, you idiots are missing the whole fucking point that birdgirl was trying to make. No one is talking about wild SOBER girls. If you have sex with a girl that's drunk, that is actually rape. That's nothing to brag about. Bragging about sex at all is completely trashy and immature, but you, homeboy, take the cake! You keep talking about girls that "want the dick" - um, they're drunk, chances are they don't know what they want. Why can't you make it with a girl who's in her right mind and sober? Oh wait, I can figure that out by just reading your posts..:rolleyes: A girl who's willing to fuck around with someone like you obviously has something wrong with her.

[geonagual]

and this is what I got to say.
I have been following this thread since it started.

Your 21, have a good time
Have as much sex as possible, ALWAYS protect yourself against STD's and a pregnancy. You don't want that shit! It will fuck your life up. Remember that some girls want to get pregnant to lock your ass in.

If you got 2 chicks on you at one time and they are not drunk, you are the playa fo sho.

ALWAYS make sure what you do is not criminal and you should be straight.

[ValkyrieAg]

Yall fucked this thread up. :cool:

[darkside]

Wow im pretty surprised how circular this conversation is. Obviously, no one is understanding what the hell birdgirl is trying to say. She is NOT saying there is something wrong with "girls who like the dick". She is not saying there is something wrong with girls enjoying sex. She is trying to get the point through your THICK SKULLS, that when guys use (ie take advantage of) girls it's wrong, and when guys have sex with drunken girls, that is not consensual, no matter what (check the laws, i am right).

Try READING what she has to say, and then you will all stop rebutting her, for something she isn't even arguing.

while i agree that people who use others are wrong, listen to this scenario. two people ,a guy and a girl, are at a party, getting drunk, having a good time. they hook up and mutually consent to have sex. next morning the girl wakes up and decides that it wasnt such a good idea and decides to press charges. she claims "i was drunk i couldnt make decisions" and he gets sent off for sexual assault and has a spot on his record forever. how is this fair? this kind of thing happens all the time. why are men held accountable for their actions and women can just say "i was drunk" and get out of the equation. any laws that support this double standard are biased and wrong

and bg, a lot of people look back on things they did when drunk and wish they didnt do them, but they shouldnt be able to file charges for it.
and there is a difference between raping a passed out girl and engaging in consentual sex with a wiling partner. you dont automatically pass out when you drink a little and lose all decision making ability.

[birdgirl73]

I hear what you're saying, Darkside, and I see how that situation is unfair to the guy for sure. Obviously, if they were mutually consenting at the time, you'd think it was OK. And like I said earlier, she's responsible for putting herself in those circumstances and getting into that situation. The cases that have gone to the courts that we've actually seen at the center where I've volunteered for a long time, however, are cases where she's literally too drunk (and usually under the influence of other stuff, too) to consent to sex and too drunk to fight him/them off sufficiently and then ends up getting raped that way. They were cases where mutual consent or moderate drunkenness really didn't enter into it. Those, at least according to the lawyers who work with those women, are more commonly the ones they can successfully prosecute. We've also had three cases where the girls have been at parties or clubs and had date-rape sedative/amnesia-inducing drugs put into their drinks, which then rendered them incapable of making a coherent decision or protecting themselves in any way. The guys in those cases (one was a train-running case where a group of guys took advantage of her while she was incapacitated) got prison terms.

The point we're trying to make is that guys need to be very careful about who they're trying to have sex with when alcohol is involved because you don't really ever know what's going to happen the next day when everyone sobers up. The consequences are very serious to your futures. For me, this isn't simply an issue upon which I have a woman's bias, either. I'm the mother of a 20-year-old son who, along with his friends, is in the phase of life where he's constantly pursuing as much sex as he can find. He goes to Duke University, site of the famous lacrosse-team rape case that's now in the process of falling apart but which has basically ruined three young men's lives. The point is that young men and women alike need to be very careful out there, especially when alcohol comes into play.

[canuck grower]

Whether you realize it or not you guys are getting into how various rights movements have gone far beyond their original intent and the scales are slowly tipping the other way instead of balancing harmoniously. That is an area I'll gladly avoid. :)


Wow, you idiots are missing the whole fucking point that birdgirl was trying to make. No one is talking about wild SOBER girls. If you have sex with a girl that's drunk, that is actually rape. That's nothing to brag about. Bragging about sex at all is completely trashy and immature, but you, homeboy, take the cake!

You went a little for assuming girls were shitfaced and what not, but I agree with your first thought here. If a girl is drunk it can often be as easy as "I have a dick. Want to go over there?" ... I wouldn't call it rape but that's just a semantic issue and we obviously have different ideas on what that word means.

Smokin' dope: You are young like me and we should be having fun. Sounds like you're having more than I so cool. :thumbsup: Unless you're taking advantage of drunk girls then you shouldn't worry about what these people are saying. It sounds like the chicks your er, tagging, are into it so no worries.

Anyone who is taking advantage of drunk girls: You're a piece of shit and you deserve to be gang raped by elephants. Just because they are drunk doesn't mean it's open season. Pricks.

And before my words are twisted into something I didn't mean, let me clarify that I am not saying any sexual contact with a drunk girl is taking advantage. You know if you're taking advantage or not.

It goes both ways too people. We've all slain a few dragons. Skeletons in the closet and all that right. Drunk guys are taken advantage of as well but they get no sympathy. Oh fuck I started going into a topic I said I would stay away from...

Sorry for the uncaffeinated rambling first thing in the morning. I hope a coherent thought or two slipped in there by mistake. :jointsmile:

badgirl: I agree with most of what you all think and have said, but it seems like SD might deserve a little more benefit of the doubt than he's been given.

[birdgirl73]

Thanks for your comments, Canuck G. I do freely admit that part of what motivated me to start in here on Smoking D was some previous posts he'd written about participating in running trains on girls. That concerned me a great deal more than the concept of a threesome. I'll try and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I still don't think he or Big Smoke gets the message about not using girls. I don't think they have any concept of how not to do that, judging from their responses.

[JunkYard]

My question is why the hell would anyone want to run a train in the first place. The threesome is all good, (And fun) :thumbsup: but that train running is kinda nasty imo! I'd rather call good old rosey palm than to make it with a girl after she's already gone a few rounds w a bunch of men, ya know?

Of course, I'm the selfish type, and don't like sharing. ;)

[big smoke07]

Actually, judging from the attitudes you've already displayed above, I think we can be fairly well assured that you probably do mess around with girls who don't exactly value themselves or maintain high standards about guys who do. You may not know that yet. Heck, you may not ever realize that. But I'd bet good money that that's one of the things that your ladies all have in common.

Eh, if thats what you've made up your mind to believe then it would be pointless for me to try to persuade you. I know what type of girls i mess around with and thats all that matters to me really. It sounds nice to think that us "dirty" "digusting" guys only hook-up with girls who are depressed and have low self esteem. But at the end of the day its not true. Girls like sex just as much as guys but ususally the guy is looked down upon after everything goes down. Its the way society is and its not going to change. Peace.

[birdgirl73]

This is how I know you don't get it. Nowhere did anyone say anything about your being either dirty or digusting--or about girls not liking sex. What we're taking issue with is the concept of using a girl for what you can get over on her for. And that's where the low self-esteem comes in for the girls. Ladies who allow that to happen don't generally feel good about themselves.

Perhaps you don't actually do that. Maybe you have actual ongoing relationships with your ladies and know them as people and friends instead of just using them for sex. If that's the case, great. I'm glad for both you and them. But if your understanding of them is as limited as your understanding of what's been said in this thread is, then I don't have much hope for you--or for their respect for themselves. Peace to you, too.

[canuck grower]

Thanks for your comments, Canuck G. I do freely admit that part of what motivated me to start in here on Smoking D was some previous posts he'd written about participating in running trains on girls. That concerned me a great deal more than the concept of a threesome. I'll try and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I still don't think he or Big Smoke gets the message about not using girls. I don't think they have any concept of how not to do that, judging from their responses.

Fair enough. I haven't read their other posts since I'm new, so yeah I am commenting with less context to go on than others here such as yourself.

Running trains is definitely a whole different story and I think your points on her being messed up even if she's a sober, willing participant are right on 90% of the time. But even in that situation it's still their choice to make, whether or not it's the "right" one or whether or not you or I would do it.

I'll be the first to admit that for a young guy I have fairly traditional values compared to many other North Americans. I'm all for experimenting with sex though don't get me wrong.


My question is why the hell would anyone want to run a train in the first place. The threesome is all good, (And fun) :thumbsup: but that train running is kinda nasty imo! I'd rather call good old rosey palm than to make it with a girl after she's already gone a few rounds w a bunch of men, ya know?

Of course, I'm the selfish type, and don't like sharing. ;)

Yeah I don't get turned on by the thought of fucking a chick 5 of my friends just fucked, but hey to each their own right? And that's just the thing. Whether or not we think it's hot to run trains, have sex with other guys, or whatever else doesn't diminish anyone else's right to like it and do it with other willing participants. Who are we to judge right? We're probably just as "fucked up" in some ways in their eyes.


Eh, if thats what you've made up your mind to believe then it would be pointless for me to try to persuade you. I know what type of girls i mess around with and thats all that matters to me really. It sounds nice to think that us "dirty" "digusting" guys only hook-up with girls who are depressed and have low self esteem. But at the end of the day its not true. Girls like sex just as much as guys but ususally the guy is looked down upon after everything goes down. Its the way society is and its not going to change. Peace.

This is a very good point here. I am a guy and I don't understand why anyone would want to run a train on a chick, but some guys do like that! So just as you (badgirl) and other women can't understand why some chick would want to she may just be a kinky, freaky slut who likes to get her snooch pounded by 10 guys on a Friday night. It's not our place to judge them for liking that. If there are emotional repercussions then they will have to deal with their decision later.

To start giving them flak on here without knowing the full situation is jumping the gun in my opinion.

:twocents: :jointsmile:

[orange floyd]

so did he have the threesome?

[420purpHAZE420]

so did he have the threesome?

haha i was about to say that, wtf happened bro

[Its a Plant]

Well...

I'll say one thing: You learn a lot about people by their opinions on stuff like this. What happened to morals? Some of this stuff is sickening to read.

I need to take a shower after all this. ~

[birdgirl73]

Opinions are like assholes.

What are morals like?
I reckon they're more like intelligence, Billy. Some folks have 'em. Some don't.

[smokin dope]

ya they both sucked my dick but i only fucked one. it was alright, but the way i see it, they werent anything too special, but this weekend i got some plans for this girl i know, and shes about an 8

[smoking habit]

haaaaaaaaaaaa, thread is hilarious. Not every girl like that is damaged/whatever else you called them, birdgirl.. it's called being an attention whore and I know too many. Some of the most annoying people in existance.

[Hagbard Celiene]

haaaaaaaaaaaa, thread is hilarious. Not every girl like that is damaged/whatever else you called them, birdgirl.. it's called being an attention whore and I know too many. Some of the most annoying people in existance.

i'm pretty sure that anyone who is an "attention whore" is dammaged goods as you will find that they derive their self esteem from other peoples attention, rather than from with-in, which is the case in the so-called 'well adjusted' pshyche.

[darkside]

Opinions are like assholes.

What are morals like?

morals are nothing more than opinions really. its the type of people who try to push their morals on others that are making this world a shitty place to live.

[canuck grower]

morals are nothing more than opinions really. its the type of people who try to push their morals on others that are making this world a shitty place to live.

And the crackhead that goes robbing people? The pimp that keeps his ho's doped up? The CEO who outsources labour to Chinese children? Their lack of morals make the world a shitty place to live. Your definition of morals is skewed. Morals do not come from religion or anything like that. Morality is not a bad thing. Ha ha, I may as well have said "morality is not immoral" but I don't think anyone here really cares to have a discussion on morality.

*crickets chirping*

[darkside]

And the crackhead that goes robbing people? The pimp that keeps his ho's doped up? The CEO who outsources labour to Chinese children? Their lack of morals make the world a shitty place to live. Your definition of morals is skewed. Morals do not come from religion or anything like that. Morality is not a bad thing. Ha ha, I may as well have said "morality is not immoral" but I don't think anyone here really cares to have a discussion on morality.

*crickets chirping*

i just don't like the words morals and values because they are overused by religious zealots in attempt to gain followers and control people. i live my life according to my own principles, an ethical code. they are:

dont hurt people who havent hurt you or your family
dont steal or cheat people
dont put your nose in other peoples business
dont be a rat
dont take another mans woman

[canuck grower]

Well I am glad that you have virtuous morals man. You may call them whatever you like and I can understand how religion turned you off of those terms. Perhaps ethics is a better term anyhow. :jointsmile:

[friendowl]

its easy for eveeryone to drop there two cents [judge]

but in reality
if the women didnt want to fuck and get fucked they wouldnt be there
people get what they ask for

do your thing homies
if you aint hurting no body then fuck it ...handle it

i hate listening to people say whats right and whats wrong
fuck that
just live

[birdgirl73]

A lot of people are hearing or interpreting "right and wrong" in what's been said. But really the point several of us have been trying to make is more about what's healthy and what's not. The pattern of "using" and victimizing women is unhealthy. And no matter what anyone says about girls putting themselves in the train-running situation willingly, the experts, polls, studies and research that's been done will back me up on this 100%. (There's been lots of research done in universities about later repurcussions of such situations, and for that matter, there've been plenty of studies of former porn stars who did gang bangs.) Women who make the choices to enter into situations like that are not operating from a healthy, whole perspective. They've nearly always endured some earlier form of abuse. And they're continuing to act it out in new ways when they engage in those situations. Admittedly, they may be entering into those situations willingly, but they're not doing so from a healthy mindset. Again, this isn't me saying this. These are the first-hand statements from women after they've been in those situations and the experts who've done in-depth studies of these women. Do you seriously think I'd be making such an issue about this if I didn't have some solid evidence to back me up? Do the research yourself and you'll find the same thing.

I believe in live and let live, too. But there are ways to do that that aren't at other people's expense. Ways to do that without hurting or using others. If you're just seeing this as a matter of right or wrong here, you're deliberately missing the point.

[friendowl]

i dont see things as right or wrong
i see things as learning experiences
the girl who gets trained will eventually feel like shit
and change her life for the better or continue being a whore

i myself am a good man
but i have done many bad things
inorder for some people to learn about themselves
they must do things,even if they aint right

the way you sound birdy
you seem like the type of person who
talks a lot more than they act

if you have never gotten dirty
how do you knowhow good it feels to be clean

id rather trust info from a person who has been to hell and back
then to listen to someone who only knows heaven

[birdgirl73]

You're making an assumption again, I guess based on what you think you've heard me saying or what you think you know about me. The women who've responded to the polls, studies, and surveys I keep talking about are the people who've been to hell and back. That's why I keep telling you guys to do some research for yourselves and confirm that I know what I'm talking about. Or if you're not motivated enough to do that, just put yourself in the position of someone with a daughter or a sister in a train-running situation.

I'm 45 and have lived a good bit longer than most of y'all. Have I lived in the ghetto or been a street fighter or a brotha or a gangster? Nope. Was born into different circumstances than that. In my younger days, I was a fairly wild child. Underneath the suburban mom/medical student persona, I still am (my husband would confirm this for you). Do I go to parties now and run the train for folks? Nope. Didn't do that in my younger days, either. I've been lucky in that I value myself highly enough that I can be choosy about who I get intimate with. That's a very good thing.

As far as having been to hell and back, part of the reason I've volunteered for so long in a women's crisis center is because I had three friends in college, plus that young student I talked about earlier, who were raped at various times. I came close to having it happen myself in college but was strong enough to fight the guy off and get away. That was enough experience for me to have an interest in the subject and learn more about it than the average person. One in four women faces some type of abuse in her lifetime. Probably the real figure is closer to one in three. If you think that after 25 years of working with people who've been touched by the situations we've been talking about above I haven't gained some insight into hell, then you're not as smart as I thought you were.

You need to get off your tough-talking, I've-seen-real-life butt sometime and go volunteer for a day or two in a women's crisis center. Or better yet, ride out with a medic crew on an ambulance for a few years in a two-university city and see half the things I've seen in a single weekend. Once your real life experience begins to approach my own, you can come on back and tell me whether or not I've seen hell.

[Psycho4Bud]

My own past experiences and being 44 I've noticed that the ones that get it, respect it.....the ones that don't have the big mouths and dry sticky hands. Seems there are few in here that should have the user name "Spanky".:D

Don't get me wrong though, the stories are amuzing. Keep on spending that $5 for the mag and letting us in on the fantasy.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

the way you sound birdy
you seem like the type of person who
talks a lot more than they act

if you have never gotten dirty
how do you knowhow good it feels to be clean


I would SERIOUSLY advise showing a bit of respect or you'll be looking for another baked.com.

Don't be playin' this type of shit in here dude.:mad:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Its a Plant]

Hey.

Hey.

I love you all. ~

[friendowl]

psycho for bud--- i was talking with bird in a respectful manner
that was just how i feel . if you want to be a bad ass
and ban me then go ahead but this was an a and b
conversation so id appreciate it if you could c your
way out of it ...no direspect

i have two daughters and if they got trained it would myself to blame

for people who claim to be open minded you sure are not

i aint dissing no -one i just dont agree
you my friend psycho and billion fold are some fake ass people
im very disappointed in you people

[Psycho4Bud]

psycho for bud--- i was talking with bird in a respectful manner
that was just how i feel . if you want to be a bad ass
and ban me then go ahead but this was an a and b
conversation so id appreciate it if you could c your
way out of it ...no direspect

i have two daughters and if they got trained it would myself to blame

for people who claim to be open minded you sure are not

i aint dissing no -one i just dont agree
you my friend psycho and billion fold are some fake ass people
im very disappointed in you people

Well from me and Billions fake asses and from Birdy.......have a good vacation.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[big smoke07]

He got banned because he disagreed with a mod? I've seen people here use the word nigger more than once which i know pisses off me and the other black people on this site off AND say much more rude things than what friendowl said. They werent banned and didnt have half the intelligence or life experiences he had. But as soon as one disagrees with a mod he is banned?


Doesnt seem right to me.

[stinkyattic]

This thread is ridiculous.
The bragging might impress some lame-o little punk who has never seen a pussy, but it CERTAINLY is not impressing the rest of us.
Birdgirl's got her back up against the wall and I'm gonna go over and stand with her:
You guys with the irresponsible attitudes towards sex, and the disrespectful attitudes towards women, deserve to have neither sex nor womens' company.
And you get an STD, what then?
And with that crap attitude, you're the type of guys who would lie to a drunk girl 'oh yeah I'm clean' just to get a little action.
Then guess what, she's got it too!!! GREAT!!! But it's all good right, because you got off?
No, it is absolutely NOT all good.
You guys are lucky enough to have Birdgirl sitting here explaining about rape and date rape and sexual abuse and WHY girls with no self-esteem would agree to be with someone who obviously doesn't respect them, just for a feeling of validation that lasts a few moments, then it's back to being really down on herself... listen to Birdgirl. She's being more than patient with you abusive assholes.
I'm done here.
This whole thing is making me ill.

[stinkyattic]

Reread his posts. If he had half the intelligence you say he has, he wouldn't have kept up his bullshit.
Agreed. This isn't the first thread he has let his true demeanor shine through. Last time, Birdgirl actually deleted some of his posts as a FAVOR because he was making a complete ass of himself. Some people just don't learn though.

[smoking habit]

wow chill the fuck out. acting like babies. banning him.... bahahah... i guess that's cool...?

[stinkyattic]

This thread needs to get locked like NOW.

[thcbongman]

You gotta love these canna.com soap operas. :)

In the end we all get stoned (sorry you can't join us birdgirl!)

[birdgirl73]

For the record, I actually didn't regard Friendowl's comments to me as disrespectful, but my fellow mod did, and our policy here is not to undo each other's decisions. This was a long and heated argument, and I was as passionate as anyone else participating in it--probably far more so--and now I feel terrible that it's ended this way. Friendowl, it wouldn't have been my personal decision to take the action against you that P4B did, but he's a little more old-fashioned about respect than I am. (Maybe it's also because I'm used to arguments. I have a college-aged son!) Most of you know me well enough to know that I'm smart enough to take care of myself verbally--and that I enjoy it when people disagree with me and put up a good fight.

My apologies to you Friendowl, and I hope you'll still come on back and give me as much argument as you want to. You did do that respectfully here, and I not only noticed that, I appreciated it. My apologies, too, to anyone else whose toes got stepped on here. With luck, maybe some good can come out of this ultimately. If just one person thinks a bit more about his behavior when it comes to using women or possibly taking advantage of one when there's a situation where too much alcohol has been involved, then I'll consider this a victory.

I'll close this thread now to stop any further disagreements. Peace to you all.

[JunkYard]

Agreed. This isn't the first thread he has let his true demeanor shine through. Last time, Birdgirl actually deleted some of his posts as a FAVOR because he was making a complete ass of himself. Some people just don't learn though.

I think someone has done the same for me, lol! My post gets deleted, I figure there's a good reason, so I don't even ask why. I just refrain from posting similar sh!t.. ..

Whoever does it, THANKS BUNCHES!



:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

He got banned because he disagreed with a mod? I've seen people here use the word nigger more than once which i know pisses off me and the other black people on this site off AND say much more rude things than what friendowl said. They werent banned and didnt have half the intelligence or life experiences he had. But as soon as one disagrees with a mod he is banned?


Doesnt seem right to me.

I see someone using that slang they don't return so don't feed me that shit! Fact is ol' boy was acting disrespectful which I considered a personal attack. Against guidelines.....then he returned with a burn to me and Billionfold and more/less asked for it. Well he got his wish for the day!

And this one IS closed!!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

Agreed. This isn't the first thread he has let his true demeanor shine through. Last time, Birdgirl actually deleted some of his posts as a FAVOR because he was making a complete ass of himself. Some people just don't learn though.
Are you sure of that? I haven't ever deleted any of Friendowl's posts! Or maybe you were talking about someone else's. If you were, let me know here before I close this thread. But I've not ever deleted any of Friendowl's posts. There's never been reason to!

[birdgirl73]

Hang on, P4B. I'm waiting for a response. I'll close it after I get it, OK?

[smokin dope]

geez this post take a turn in the wrong fuckin direction...haha but o well its comical

[stinkyattic]

I just emailed you...
I was like 90% certain it was you but now thinking back it could have been Surreys Princess.... she (or you!??) made the comment, "a lot of people on here respect you and I'm going to keep it that way"
Anyway...
Glad this thread is done with.

Oh and smokin'... I like you better over in cultivation. F'real.

[smokin dope]

I just emailed you...
I was like 90% certain it was you but now thinking back it could have been Surreys Princess.... she (or you!??) made the comment, "a lot of people on here respect you and I'm going to keep it that way"
Anyway...
Glad this thread is done with.

Oh and smokin'... I like you better over in cultivation. F'real.

i know what you mean stinky, im gonna stay outta these boards, i never come to the sexuaulity too often, but im gonna stay clear from posting here anymore....it just stirred the shit pot :stoned: :stoned:

[birdgirl73]

I just emailed you...
I was like 90% certain it was you but now thinking back it could have been Surreys Princess.... she (or you!??) made the comment, "a lot of people on here respect you and I'm going to keep it that way"
Anyway...
Glad this thread is done with.

Oh and smokin'... I like you better over in cultivation. F'real.
Thanks for the response. Yes, I remember that. That actually was Surreys Princess and not me. I have a fairly sharp memory of whose posts I've deleted, and Friendowl hasn't been among them. I'll check my email. Thanks for standing on the side of decency toward women, by the way! I'll close this thread now. Peace again to everyone.

[big smoke07]

The thread was deleted before anyone could prove a mod wrong like always. So I in turn re-opened it not to stir any bad blood but only to show P4B that he is wrong and that I will "feed him that shit". You said if you were to see anyone using the word nigger or any type of slang like that they would not return. But in the thread labeled "New Jeezy" suhl used the word and his post was simply "nuked".

Friendowl disagrees, burns a mod and gets banned. Suhl says a hateful,racial,rude,ignorant, remark which is offensive to an ENTIRE race. Yet suhl stays and friendowl goes? After you explain that to me then we can leave it at, and you can close this thread.

[mfitzp]

hey its just words man lol all this racism shit is stupid

[Its a Plant]

not to stir any bad blood..

You sure about that??

And the other thread wasn't deleted, only closed.

Whiners and tattle-tails never were my favorite. ~

[big smoke07]

Whiners and tattle-tails never were my favorite. ~

Agreed. No one likes a snitch.

But if you see some shit that is messed up you dont put ur head in the sand. You say whats on your mind. I wouldnt need to be tattle tailing like a lil girl if i could personally see suhl. But thats not going to happen, and my intentions are even to get suhl banned. Just for P4B to explain to me his logic behind this.

[Its a Plant]

I hear suhl is actually quite the BRUTE of a man.

Arms and legs like tree trunks.

Seven feet tall with eyes like coals.

The perfect bone structure.

And a package every woman desires . .

I wouldn't wanna tango with that, personally.

Haha, but yeah, even so, this is only gonna cause more trouble. ~

[big smoke07]

I dont intend to. After P4B answers me this shit can be locked up.

[suhl]

hey its just words man lol all this racism shit is stupid

thank you finally someone on this planet who gets the point. finally. at long last. really im not a racist but people see a word and they generalize. how can a non racist use a word i mean it is a word so he must be a bigot. seriously it was me slipping up and saying something i shouldnt have on a website, lets not make it a religious crusade

and i have no idea how what i did or didnt say got brought into this. go ahead and type in the link youll see the cannabis site said that link never existed. if it did exist i may apologize, but according to the site it never happened. had it happened im sure i was contacted by the mods and apologized. really i am wonering how it got brought up in here. why is this thread called three some. what does me saying something have to do with sex? i am thoroughly confused.

[Psycho4Bud]

I dealt with the situation being mentioned and I'm NOT going to have some assclown blowing smoke all night long. Your out of here for three and if you proceed the same way WHEN/IF you return I'll deal with you from there.

This was between myself and friendowl.......wtf buisiness is it of yours? Damn martyr syndrom!

This one is ALSO closed.

Have a good one!:jointsmile: