Circumsicion

[intrepidus6]

First off, are you circumcised?

And second, what do you think about circumcision?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

im not; and i think it's mutilating poor defenseless babies.

[OniEhtRedrum781]

I'm not, long live the ant-eater!

[VaporDaddy]

I am. what can I say? I love my dick.

[ju99al0b0mb3r]

I'm not, long live the ant-eater!

LMFAO

[birdgirl73]

I'm a girl and, fortunately, not one who lives in countries where females have such mutilations performed upon them. But my thinking where men are concerned is that it's a completely unnecessary modification--and possibly one that does harm in the long run. My husband is circumcized, which was pretty much routine when he was an infant in the late 50s. After reading about the procedure and talking to our pediatrician friends, we elected not to circumcize our son when he was a baby. I've never regretted that decision. Fewer and fewer parents are choosing circumcision these days. When I finish medical school and if I become a pediatrician, as I'm leaning toward, I plan not to recommend the procedure to potential parents.

[azure]

all natural myself

[Bob the Awesome]

Female Genital Mutilation is seen as a human rights violation and is currently seen negatively in most, if not all, of modern nations.

Male Genital Mutilation should be viewed in the same fashion.

[Pipe Dreams]

Yes, I am.

Also, keeps the dick cheese away.

[Gatekeeper777]

I am and alot of female prefer cut cock over uncut. Its even a seen as a novalty in europe to be cut and NOT a jew.
When i was in the army stationed in Germany. I got lots of pussy just cuz i was cut. most men over there must not be cuz i was treated like Bigfoot. hightly sought after but never seen twice.

[smokin dope]

i am not, but i think i will have my child cut...

[intrepidus6]

The reason I ask is because I wasen't circumcised but I wish I was :(

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Female Genital Mutilation is seen as a human rights violation and is currently seen negatively in most, if not all, of modern nations.

Male Genital Mutilation should be viewed in the same fashion.


agreed.



what is the origins of circumcisions? as i understand, it was a jewish practice to prevent boys from masturbating ("too much") which later became part of tradition rather than practical application.

[Gatekeeper777]

the female clitoris has over 10,000 nerve endings the male penis uncut has 8000 when circumsised about 6000 are cut away.
Your choice better sex or no fromunder cheese.

[az666]

nope i'm not, and i'm kind of glad.
I'll leave body modification up to the individual...i'm not going to decide for someone else.

[BlueDevil]

what is the origins of circumcisions? as i understand, it was a Jewish practice to prevent boys from masturbating ("too much") which later became part of tradition rather than practical application.

This came up a lot in my anthropology track. As I understand it, the practice first came into being (with a number of different tribes in fact) as a method to prove one's mettle in battle: foreskins were taken as trophies. I know right? Yuck, but then I guess it's hard to fit 2 dozen heads in a belt pouch right? Heh.
I've read re-prints of translations where *ahem* 'captured' foreskins of one's enemies were even used as a medium in dowries, bounties, etc.
At some point the Torah's authors wanted to convey a method for clean living among 'God's Chosen,' hence the dietary considerations which just happen to fit nicely with the environment. The dreaded and so eloquent 'dick cheese' comment made earlier in the thread would carry far more gravity in a time and place without antibiotics and health advice worth a damn. Back then when a bodily condition 'got out of hand,' you just died. Kinda like uncooled pork in the hot Palestine sun. Trichinosis = you die.


Anyway, while I admire the notion of letting nature run the show, I think the procedure is a good call and I for one am happy to have had it done. Went to a British school when I was a kid living overseas, and was on the swim team. Nuff said. ;)
In college I had a lot of female buds, I can't tell you how many gross foreskin stories I've heard. Being a top-hat means the fisherman is at more risk of developing a bacteria overgrowth (i.e. yeast infection) and he would also be more apt to hold onto something he got from that exchange betty from Denmark. *cough*


I think comparing female genital mutilation to male circumcision is kinda... well, stupid. The only purpose of removing a clitoris is to deny a female future sexual pleasure. I could creatively elaborate on what I think it does for the adults who allow it to happen, but I don't have that kinda time. :(

When a male gets circumcised, he enjoys relatively low-maintenance tackle, not freaking out chicks, and that crazy ability to still feel sex.

Seems like a pretty easy distinction to me.



For the ladies that have sounded off on this topic, I'm just curious - how do you view the piercing of newborn daughters ears?

Also, I hear labia surgery is all the rage. Are women defiling themselves when they uh, adjust the bits n pieces? I realize that it's not a procedure done to infants, like I said I'm just curious. :)

[BlueDevil]

I'll leave body modification up to the individual...i'm not going to decide for someone else.


Well, you get to decide if it's your son... :rasta:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

wooh, i dunno about that, cleaning your penis isnt too hard, i deffenitely have to stand by my self and say that circumcisions are no different than mutilation.

[Skink]

Cutting your wiener should be a mister meaner,,,sorry it popped in my head and I had to...

[intrepidus6]

Cutting your wiener should be a mister meaner,,,sorry it popped in my head and I had to...

hahaha, welcome to my sig

[birdgirl73]

For the ladies that have sounded off on this topic, I'm just curious - how do you view the piercing of newborn daughters ears?

Also, I hear labia surgery is all the rage. Are women defiling themselves when they uh, adjust the bits n pieces? I realize that it's not a procedure done to infants, like I said I'm just curious. :)
I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

[intrepidus6]

I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

I take it you are also against all of the following:

Tatoos
body piercings of any kind
all cosmetic surgery

Am I correct?

Circumcision is obviusly a good thing. I really wish I had been circumcised.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

how is circumcision good and why do you wish you were?

do you not take care of it properly? that's your fault, not the foreskin's.

[intrepidus6]

for religius reasons if you really must know...
And no I'm not Jewish or Muslim.

[birdgirl73]

No, I'm not against any of those things. What would make you think that? I simply think people ought to choose to do piercings and tattoos when they're past infancy, babyhood and childhood. And I don't believe there's much real justification, at least in developed countries with modern hygiene, for male circumcisions any more except for religious reasons. In the case of tattoos, I think kids ought to do those once their bodies are through growing but I also know a lot of folks who've later regretted tattoos. For people who want to have cosmetic surgery for a more balanced figure or, say, a face lift, that's fine, too. I probably won't do that, but others are welcome to and should have the freedom to do that. I do think some people cross the line into plastic-surgery obsession, however, and I've seen some ladies here in my area who're so puffed up and pulled that they don't look real anymore. That's a bit of a turnoff.

I have had pierced ears since I was 16 and have periodically given consideration to getting a small, discreet tattoo, but I'm not sure I'll ever go through with that. If I were younger and still showed my belly very frequently, I'd have a belly-button ring.

I honestly think that some of you guys don't read very thoroughly. You gloss over opinions that I generally articulate in a very detailed and clear fashion and then make the assumption, because you didn't actually take time to read what I'd written, that I was disapproving of something. At any rate, I don't disapprove of any of those things.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

for religius reasons if you really must know...
And no I'm not Jewish or Muslim.


*and then god said let there be foreskin mutilation and so there was*?


something like that?


religious reasons have to have practical application or i will reject them as my own. not saying you cant, just that i cant without reason...



im not coming down on you or making fun, just asking one thing...


why does your religion condone the mutilation of infant boy's foreskins?

[intrepidus6]

First of all my religion does not condone the mutilation of anything. At the biggening of time the gods circumcised the first baby male humans (who were also the children of the gods) as a ceremony to celebrate the beggening of Earth. It is a sign of respect to ancient costoms, and to the gods to circumcise male infants.

There. That is really more than I should be saying to just any random person.

[smoke it]

Yes, I am.

Also, keeps the dick cheese away.

hate that dick cheese

[BlueDevil]

wooh, i dunno about that, cleaning your penis isnt too hard, i deffenitely have to stand by my self and say that circumcisions are no different than mutilation.


Not sure what you dunno about, as no one here has suggested that cleaning a penis is tiresome or difficult. The presence of a foreskin does however complicate it's upkeep, whether or not you choose to admit it. Moreso if the male in question is say, at war, isolated, or unhealthy from some other condition, etc. I guess I should also mention that soap and water doesn't always reach where it should, and doesn't always disinfect to the degree it should. What holds true for a vagina also correlates to an intact foreskin, that being disturbing the body's natural pH can lead to problems, i.e., over-care can be just as bad as no care. Women don't douche daily for a reason.
Keep in mind that many men around the world don't enjoy the standard of living you and I are accustomed to. This includes access to clean running water, antibiotics, professional medical advice, etc. Look at the UN, now it's recommending circumcision to sub-Saharan males due to living conditions and HIV.

I've already articulated why circumcisions are quite different than female genital mutilations: there are physiological benefits to it, whereas with a girl getting her clit snipped there are absolutely none. Profound religious dogma is a prerequisite for removing a clitoris, not so with the foreskin.
A decision to view them as the same is an idealogical choice, not one supported by factual medical or cultural evidence. Sorry.


I'm damn glad I had it done when I was 3 days old, it makes sense but honestly I doubt I'd have the intestinal fortitude needed to just waltz into a clinic and request a blade be taken to my junk.
I think everyone should be a skeptic; doing something (especially body modifications) permanent in nature should be the result of common sense and some rational thinking, not dogma or hearsay.


I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

There's a lot of cultures that do far worse as well, I used this example as it is exceedingly common here in the States. Most mothers I've spoken to about it say they'd rather get it over while the newborn's immune system is overdrive and also because the neonate child won't remember a thing when it's grown. As it happens, these are some of the same reasons little boys get circumcisions. Trust me when I say being circumcised is more functional than having pierced ears. I've had both! ;)


Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

Yeah, freaky stuff, no doubt. But I'd like to think that if a woman can be concerned over the appearance of her genitals and do something about it, then a mother (not to mention the father) can be equally concerned about the appearance and health of their son's genitals.
Regardless, I feel the plastic surgery craze (which is growing fast and knows no gender barriers) should be the issue being debated if the word 'mutilation' is going to be thrown around.
I doubt anyone has ever had their life ruined by a circumcision, or developed an affinity for repeat procedures (yikes) which lead to poor health, disfigurement, or destitution.

[d00d557]

I'm not and I don't have a big probelm, its not hard to keep it clean if you just take a shower.

[psychocat]

I have to agree with birdgirl on the grounds that it is in my mind nothing other than mutilation of children.
For those who are "done" and believe it to be better I would suggest you don't really have a lot of choice and never did. The foreskin is there for a reason, protection of the glans (head of the penis) and it should never be tampered with except for medical reasons not religion or because it's the done thing. Research has shown women and men get more pleasure during sex if the guy is uncircumcised.There is even a procedure for foreskin restoration : Restore Foreskin and Enjoy Lovemaking Better ! (http://www.4restore.com/)
I have tats and piercings and voluntarily had them done, I have no regrets at all as I love my tats.

PS this is a foreskin restorer.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

First of all my religion does not condone the mutilation of anything. At the biggening of time the gods circumcised the first baby male humans (who were also the children of the gods) as a ceremony to celebrate the beggening of Earth. It is a sign of respect to ancient costoms, and to the gods to circumcise male infants.

There. That is really more than I should be saying to just any random person.


i have nothing against religious beliefs, but some things are quite far fetched, and this is as far as they come for me.

what gods? lol they never asked me for their respect, and i dont see them respecting me, so why should i respect imaginary beings by mutilating my penis?

[intrepidus6]

i have nothing against religious beliefs, but some things are quite far fetched, and this is as far as they come for me.

what gods? lol they never asked me for their respect, and i dont see them respecting me, so why should i respect imaginary beings by mutilating my penis?

I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power. Please, lets discontinue our "conversation" of godly matters.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

only expanding my mind, feel free to contact me at my hotmail messenger if you would like to share any insights then.

i tend to be very skeptical of such things, so forgive me for intruding.

[birdgirl73]

I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power. Please, lets discontinue our "conversation" of godly matters.
You're a bit perverse, aren't you? And a bit of a faker and a game-player, too, to be quite honest. First you sign up to participate on an anonymous, public Internet forum and engage in disucssions with perfect strangers. Then you initiate a discussion/create a thread on the subject of circumcision. You raise the subject of your religious motivations and justification for circumcision inside that thread. Then you demur when someone asks you to justify your stance, saying things like that's "really more than I should be saying to just any random person" and "I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. . . . Please, let's discontinue our "conversation" of godly matters."

Just thought I'd point your remarkable hypocrisy here. If you don't want to discuss matters with strangers, you might want to avoid participation in an Internet discussion forum. And if you don't want to discuss a certain subject, you might want to avoid initiating threads on that topic--or avoid pointing to your own religious motivations and then demurring a subsequent question on the grounds that you don't want to discuss your religious motivations. Faker.

[intrepidus6]

Looks like somone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

Seriusly, just because we disagree on the matter of circumcision does not give you any right to flame me like that. I said nothing to you that in any way should have started an argument.

I'm not exactly sure what you think I am a faker about... mind explaining? Or is me asking you to explain that just part of my "little game" that apparentally I am playing?

[Canadien.]

I love my penis. I love it in one piece.

If you like your's cut, fair enough. I still think it's wrong to cut off an infant's foreskin for such a small reason. Smegma, or "dick cheese", Is washed away in about two seconds. Apply soap as you would to any other circumcised penis, and you have the same thing, a dick. For me, personally, for any noticeable amount of smegma build-up, I need to be doing something like camping, and have not had a shower in three days. Small amounts can appear at the end of a day let's say, but that only happens after a day of thoroughly masturbating.

I just don't see a point to it... A circumcised penis is just as good as an un-circumcised penis, and vice versa. I just don't see the point of cutting off that little piece of skin.

Peace, :rastasmoke:

EDIT: Also, people need to take a look back when talking about this issue. It's a touchy thing. Men are very self conscious about their penis. So if someone says "Circumcised is better." Do to you think the guy with the ant-eaters gonna say, "Shit, he's right, my dick sucks..."

EDIT 2: LOL Imagine if an un-circumcised guy used that foreskin revival thing.

[birdgirl73]

Looks like somone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

Seriusly, just because we disagree on the matter of circumcision does not give you any right to flame me like that. I said nothing to you that in any way should have started an argument.

I'm not exactly sure what you think I am a faker about... mind explaining? Or is me asking you to explain that just part of my "little game" that apparentally I am playing?
I'm in a perfectly good mood, Intrepidus6. I pointed out what seems very clearly to be your fakery just above. Also, I was simply being candid, not flaming you. And this has absolutely nothing to do with your stance on circumcision, I assure you. I disagree with people all the time on these boards quite happily, but if you had read what I wrote further above, you'd see that I believe circumcision for religious reasons is generally reasonable justification. Others disagreed with you on that that, but I wasn't one of them.

Let me spell this out for you again so you can understand where your hypocrisy stands out. If this doesn't help you understand what I'm saying, then you're simply going to have to stop and think about this for a time until it makes sense, and youâ??re going to need to read this information very slowly and deliberately. Letâ??s start with three basic facts:
1. You sign up to participate on an Internet forum where people discuss things with strangers.
2. You initiate a thread containing a poll on the subject of circumcision, asking if people are circumcised and what their opinions on the subject are. Later in the thread, you mention that you wish youâ??d been circumcised
3. You state your basis for supporting circumcision, which is your religious beliefs.

Now for the contradictions, which certainly look very hypocritical, considering the three corresponding facts above:
1. You demur (avoid giving an answer based on your scruples) answering someone's question in one of the posts above because you'd "rather not discuss this with someone I don't know." See the contradiction there? You're the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board. That's who you discuss things with on these forums--perfect strangers.
2. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why you wish youâ??d been circumcised, you said â??for religious reasonsâ?� but when he questioned you further, you told him youâ??ve already said more than you should â??to just any random person.â?� The contradiction here is the fact that you raised the subject and initiated the thread in the first place, then stated your own reasons for wishing youâ??d had the procedure. Yet you didnâ??t feel you could answer his questions because heâ??s a random person? Again, remember, youâ??re the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board with, yes, random people. More than just one contradiction there.
3. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why your religion condoned the removal of a boyâ??s foreskin, you gave a very brief explanation before demurring again on the basis that you really shouldnâ??t be discussing such things with a random person or someone you â??donâ??t even knowâ?� and saying you needed to discontinue your discussion of such godly matters. The contradiction here lies in the fact that you pointed to your religious beliefs to justify your support for circumcision, yet when he questioned you about it, you said you couldnâ??t continue discussing godly matters with someone you donâ??t know. Contradiction number 1 is involved here, too. Youâ??re discussing all this with people you donâ??t know. You started a thread to discuss this whole subject with people you donâ??t know.

Iâ??m fairly certain this may all confuse you further, and Iâ??ve just about come to the conclusion that youâ??re not able to read and understand things quite in the same fashion that others do, which means my assessment of you as a faker may indeed be inaccurate. If you were actually able to comprehend the posts above, none of what Iâ??ve said above would have been confusing to you, including that little aside regarding plastic surgery and tattoos, which you interpreted me as having disapproved of.

I certainly wish you well on your quest for circumcision peace, but I suspect that it may be of benefit to your mental health if I stop engaging you in further conversation here.

[BlueDevil]

Also, people need to take a look back when talking about this issue. It's a touchy thing. Men are very self conscious about their penis. So if someone says "Circumcised is better." Do to you think the guy with the ant-eaters gonna say, "Shit, he's right, my dick sucks..."

No one has said circumcision is better, only that it makes sense due to easier upkeep and reduced risk from infections, be they bacterial or viral. No one has come in here proclaiming the top-hats to be 'Un-Improved Males' or anything. And on the contrary, men in this forum have largely proven themselves open to discussion on this topic, with senses of humor no less.
There are however some who continue to label circumcision as blatant mutilation despite facts that indicate otherwise - sorry, but I'm not mutilated, just different.
It should be noted however, that some uncut guys have already expressed sentiments to the effect that they wish they had been - which disproves your ending statement, albeit not with the same wording.

I'll say this much: being able to take a female up on her offer of spontaneous oral sex is nice as you don't have to worry about the normal fluid and dead cell production that comes with having an intact foreskin. "Hold that thought while I wipe this off" is a real mood killer I think. ;) Most girls are horrified at the thought of a guy going down on them and detecting 'clitty litter' and/or odor. I guess one of the reasons I hear so much negative feedback over it from my female friends is that a lot of uncut men unfortunately don't have similar concerns.



LOL Imagine if an un-circumcised guy used that foreskin revival thing.

Ugh yeah dude, that pic has been haunting me since I saw it, yuck - keeps making me think about all the gnarly little gizmos I saw on the History Channels show on Torture. On the plus side, you might be able to smoke a nug out of it! ;)


I was going to undertake a response to intrepid about the curious citing of religion and subsequent hastily beat retreat from it, but it seems birdie has already expounded my thoughts quite well!

"I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power." :D How about when we type them, do they still pulse with power when we type them? :p

[azure]

birdgirl youre a legend.

[intrepidus6]

I'm in a perfectly good mood, Intrepidus6. I pointed out what seems very clearly to be your fakery just above. Also, I was simply being candid, not flaming you. And this has absolutely nothing to do with your stance on circumcision, I assure you. I disagree with people all the time on these boards quite happily, but if you had read what I wrote further above, you'd see that I believe circumcision for religious reasons is generally reasonable justification. Others disagreed with you on that that, but I wasn't one of them.

Let me spell this out for you again so you can understand where your hypocrisy stands out. If this doesn't help you understand what I'm saying, then you're simply going to have to stop and think about this for a time until it makes sense, and youâ??re going to need to read this information very slowly and deliberately. Letâ??s start with three basic facts:
1. You sign up to participate on an Internet forum where people discuss things with strangers.
2. You initiate a thread containing a poll on the subject of circumcision, asking if people are circumcised and what their opinions on the subject are. Later in the thread, you mention that you wish youâ??d been circumcised
3. You state your basis for supporting circumcision, which is your religious beliefs.

Now for the contradictions, which certainly look very hypocritical, considering the three corresponding facts above:
1. You demur (avoid giving an answer based on your scruples) answering someone's question in one of the posts above because you'd "rather not discuss this with someone I don't know." See the contradiction there? You're the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board. That's who you discuss things with on these forums--perfect strangers.
2. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why you wish youâ??d been circumcised, you said â??for religious reasonsâ?� but when he questioned you further, you told him youâ??ve already said more than you should â??to just any random person.â?� The contradiction here is the fact that you raised the subject and initiated the thread in the first place, then stated your own reasons for wishing youâ??d had the procedure. Yet you didnâ??t feel you could answer his questions because heâ??s a random person? Again, remember, youâ??re the one who signed up to participate on an Internet discussion board with, yes, random people. More than just one contradiction there.
3. When Stoner Shadow Wolf asked you why your religion condoned the removal of a boyâ??s foreskin, you gave a very brief explanation before demurring again on the basis that you really shouldnâ??t be discussing such things with a random person or someone you â??donâ??t even knowâ?� and saying you needed to discontinue your discussion of such godly matters. The contradiction here lies in the fact that you pointed to your religious beliefs to justify your support for circumcision, yet when he questioned you about it, you said you couldnâ??t continue discussing godly matters with someone you donâ??t know. Contradiction number 1 is involved here, too. Youâ??re discussing all this with people you donâ??t know. You started a thread to discuss this whole subject with people you donâ??t know.

Iâ??m fairly certain this may all confuse you further, and Iâ??ve just about come to the conclusion that youâ??re not able to read and understand things quite in the same fashion that others do, which means my assessment of you as a faker may indeed be inaccurate. If you were actually able to comprehend the posts above, none of what Iâ??ve said above would have been confusing to you, including that little aside regarding plastic surgery and tattoos, which you interpreted me as having disapproved of.

I certainly wish you well on your quest for circumcision peace, but I suspect that it may be of benefit to your mental health if I stop engaging you in further conversation here.


My religion is very secretive and I am trying to answer people's questions as best I can without giving more information than should be given.
If you noticed I did not bring up the discussion of religion. Somone else asked me why I wished to be circumcised and I said "for religius reasons" a very general statement as I didn't wish to say more than necessary.
When questioned further I gave the 5 sentence version of a 50 page story.

I would like to make a point about your last paragraph, particallarly this sentence:
"but I suspect that it may be of benefit to your mental health if I stop engaging you in further conversation here."

Ever watched the movie V for Vendeta? Remember how when V and that girl (I can't think of the girls name at the moment) first meet she says "are you like a crazy person?" and V responds by saying "I'm sure some will think so."
Well just think on that a minute.

"

[intrepidus6]

"I would rather not discuss this with somone I don't even know. When you start saying such things you are dabbling with great power." :D How about when we type them, do they still pulse with power when we type them? :p

Please do not make fun of my religion. You have literally brought me to tears.

[Its a Plant]

Intrepidus backed into another corner...what will he do...

Birdgirl's already in your head, fella. Give up the charade. ~

[geonagual]

Please do not make fun of my religion. You have literally brought me to tears.

It is so obvious.
He is just playing a game.
Birdgirl, you must be a fast typer, cause you got some long ass post.
Are you embarassed of your religion?

[geonagual]

Intrepidus backed into another corner...what will he do...

Birdgirl's already in your head, fella. Give up the charade. ~

HAHA! I didn't even see your post before I posted the last one. This guy is toast. I am even a little embarrased for the guy. I got an idea for him though. Abandon Intrepid6 and come back as another username and be himself and stop perpetuating a fraud.

[intrepidus6]

I'm going to stop posting in this thread, and I am never going to mention my religion on this forum again. I guess I just assumed pot smokers would be a little more open minded than this.
I would like to give a closing statement that I swear I am not making any of this up. If I had said I was jewish I bet none of you would have thought I was faking. Why are you discrimonatory against my religius beliefs?

[birdgirl73]

Plant and Geonagual, y'all crack me up. I'm still laughing about your last two posts. Yeah, I do type fast, Geonoagual. I worked as a writer for many, many years, and so I can write as fast as I think and type to keep up with that pace. Still, I need to work on brevity and keeping my messages tighter and shorter. More people would be able to read and understand them, I suspect.

Intrepidus6, I confess I do have some questions about your mental state. It's been the teachings of my professors in medical school that the more someone distorts iinformation or misinterprets what others are saying, generally the more shaky the mental stability. However, you may also simply be young, a little uneasy about posting here, heavily stoned, or confused, especially after such a long discussion. I'm also curious about why you seem to be expending anguish and mental energy on the fact that you weren't circucised as a baby. Frankly, there are a good many other things most other young adults spend their time feeling concerned about. If you're participating in a highly secretive religion, that might be one area to look at, particularly if you intend to point to your religion in public forums as the reason behind your motivations.

Whatever the case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in all this. Like I said, I wish you great peace. You just might want to be wary in the future of initiating posts on a public forum, stating your opinions, and then being called on the carpet when you're not strong enough to stand behind your reasoning or when you're hesitating on the grounds that you can't discuss certain topics with strangers.

[birdgirl73]

Why are you discrimonatory against my religius beliefs?
Anothing red flag went up on this one because it's another pretty significant distortion on your part. No one has been discriminatory at all about your religion. Not in the least. They've simply asked you how and why your particular faith justifies circumcision and whether your hesitancy to discuss your religion is an indication of your feeling embarrassed about it. That's it. Those were not discriminatory statements at all. Just statements of simple curiosity. You're the one who colored that as discriminatory.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

rofl secretive religious sect? sounds like a cult :P no offense, just found that particularly funny...

[BlueDevil]

Please do not make fun of my religion. You have literally brought me to tears.


Please.
I, and everyone else here, have no 'effin clue what your religion is, as you went V For Vendetta on us before even hinting at it. Not that it matters, as it's clearly your attitude here that is the real source of amusement.
Bringing you to tears (gods I hope you're joking) was not my intention by any means, but if it really is the case then I'm sorry to say you need to grow a pair. Or Thatchers, if you're a lady. ;)


I'm going to stop posting in this thread, and I am never going to mention my religion on this forum again. I guess I just assumed pot smokers would be a little more open minded than this.

Yeah, take Plant's advice and throw away your shovel. That hole ain't gettin any smaller. Feigning self-righteous indignation doesn't come across to well online I guess...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i too am sorry if you were brought to tears, nor was it my intent, however i find it somewhat... um... awkward... that you would cry over spilled milk...

however i am terribly interested in beliefs of all sorts, and yours, being unheard of to me, is highly intriguing. SURE, i will do nothing but try to debase it; that's what i do, seek the religion or belief that i cannot debase!


you want to help? my e mail address is public, i would appreciate if you chat with me and explain your religion without the rest of the forum watching with judgmental eyes, only mine ;P lol

[Canadien.]

No one has said circumcision is better, only that it makes sense due to easier upkeep and reduced risk from infections, be they bacterial or viral. No one has come in here proclaiming the top-hats to be 'Un-Improved Males' or anything. And on the contrary, men in this forum have largely proven themselves open to discussion on this topic, with senses of humor no less.
There are however some who continue to label circumcision as blatant mutilation despite facts that indicate otherwise - sorry, but I'm not mutilated, just different.
It should be noted however, that some uncut guys have already expressed sentiments to the effect that they wish they had been - which disproves your ending statement, albeit not with the same wording.
No, Fair enough. I should have clarified, that's just what I've found in my experience after encountering various circumcision debates. Mainly when I was younger, and less educated on the subject. I just mean to say that anything regarding the efficiency, if not just any negative factors involving the male genitalia would be something men would at least be defensive about. At least for me, I find it can sometimes be a sensitive issue. Nothing I would allow myself to get worked up about though.

I do agree with what you say about being able to whip at out at any time. Not being circumcised myself, it can have a distinct odor from time to time, mainly right when one would wake up. And that would be something I would be self conscious about. Personally, I take care of it, so it doesn't affect me, but you have a valid point.


...On the plus side, you might be able to smoke a nug out of it! ;)

Ahahahahahahaha, I was thinking the same thing lol. It looks just like a bowl for a mini bong I have.

And I'm just not going to bother with the religion issue... lol

Peace, :rastasmoke::thumbsup:

[Ibu Jari]

Female Genital Mutilation is seen as a human rights violation and is currently seen negatively in most, if not all, of modern nations.

Male Genital Mutilation should be viewed in the same fashion.

Yeah that.

And I'm female, with everything intact.

My son is also intact, I would never cut off a part of his body with our his permission. Should he chose to have his foreskin removed when he's older that is his choice.

[weneverwill]

i am, and glad about it

[Purple Banana]

I see MANY circumcisions each day. Like about 7-9 per day.

One thing that REALLY bothers me are the OBs who don't allow the lidocaine to sink in first. That pisses me off. Go in with them if they do a circ and make sure it's kicked it.

I'm not for or against it, either way. I've seen uncircumcized and circumcized. They all look fully functional to me.

Labial surgery, for more than cosmetic reasons, is not always to acheive a designer vagina. Some girls, especially with hormal imbalances can have one labia MUCH longer than the other, resulting in serious pain (dryness, tearing, snagging on underwear, getting squished) so don't think labia reconstruction is wholly cosmetic.

[spatte21]

I am and from what Ive heard its a better option because somehow the presence of a foreskin helps spread std's. dont really know the details, just what I was told in my anatomy classes.

[ladan]

Having no experience with not being circumsized, I asked my wife her opinion. We met later in life so she has some experience in this matter. She likes cirumsized men because it "looks better, smells better and tastes better." But I admit she may be biased. I have read that circumsicion reduces sensitivity for the male, but that may be a good thing because it allows a guy to last longer so the total experience may be as good or better, especially for the woman.

[bowloffun]

The whole hygiene thing is a myth. I'm not circumsized and I've never had a problem. If you don't stay clean then yeah I'm sure it would be but then if you don't stay clean you have larger issues to deal with. I've never been with a chick who has had an issue with it. Frankly they all seem ambivalent. Either way I wouldn't care, I like the way I am and if I didn't I'd run out and get mutilated. At least I have the choice myself!

ANd bonus, when you're not hard you look like a blunt!

[Skink]

All is good under the hood...

[OniEhtRedrum781]

ANd bonus, when you're not hard you look like a blunt!

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Nice....

[akfa]

yes. mushroom heads unite.

[Ibu Jari]

I am and from what Ive heard its a better option because somehow the presence of a foreskin helps spread std's. dont really know the details, just what I was told in my anatomy classes.

You were quite misinformed.

Perhaps you would like to do some research on that little... tidbit.

[Nochowderforyou]

I am not cut down there and I prefer it that way. I guess my parents weren't stupid enough to see this silly tradition of removing the skin from ones penis. :p Such a stupid tradition.

Off, with the evil penis skin! :p

[OzzyOz]

wtf
my friends make fun of me for being uncircumsized
they think i'm an alien or something

[TheforgetfulKing]

As long as you keep your shit clean (which includes "cleaning up") everything will be all good.

[OLDE ENGLISH '800]

i am...i didnt know what it was untill i seen one i started laughing because up to that time i only seen mine

[J-dubb206]

I am. what can I say? I love my dick.
Id have to say the exact same thing.

[CJBHM52]

you guys who say 'i dont want dick cheese' or whatever, i think thats a real dumb comment. not sayin youre dumb, but everyone who says that is chopped. so you really dont even know what youre talkin about. the way i look at it is, if you clean your dick you wont have any problems. just the same as any other body part. would you take a shit and not wipe? would you cut your ass cheeks off just so you wouldnt have to wipe ever again? i wouldnt. cut your ear off so you dont have to clean them ever again? its not that im against choppin, but that skin is there for a reason. and humans have survived a real long time without choppin. but sometimes i wish i was chopped cause it is easier and so many people attach a stigma to non-chopped dongs. to each their own. peace